/irc-logs / w3c / #webapps / 2014-11-18 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Tue Nov 18 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
  3. # [00:04] * Joins: jcraig (~jcraig@public.cloak)
  4. # [00:13] * nickstenn is now known as zz_nickstenn
  5. # [00:18] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  6. # [00:41] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  7. # [00:42] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  8. # [00:46] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  9. # [00:49] * Joins: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak)
  10. # [01:07] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  11. # [01:08] * Quits: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  12. # [01:32] * Joins: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak)
  13. # [01:32] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  14. # [01:43] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  15. # [01:44] * Quits: jcraig (~jcraig@public.cloak) (jcraig)
  16. # [01:57] * Quits: jsbell_ (~jsbell@public.cloak) ("There's no place like home...")
  17. # [02:01] * Joins: marcosc_ (~marcosc@public.cloak)
  18. # [02:01] * Joins: marcosc__ (~marcosc@public.cloak)
  19. # [02:01] * Quits: marcosc_ (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  20. # [02:03] * Joins: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak)
  21. # [02:05] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  22. # [02:06] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  23. # [02:08] * Quits: marcosc__ (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  24. # [02:08] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak)
  25. # [02:09] * Quits: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  26. # [02:25] * Joins: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak)
  27. # [02:31] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  28. # [02:41] * Quits: ArtB (~abarsto@public.cloak) ("Leaving.")
  29. # [02:55] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  30. # [02:55] * Quits: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  31. # [03:01] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  32. # [03:07] * terri is now known as terri_offline
  33. # [03:11] * Quits: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak) ("Leaving.")
  34. # [03:16] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  35. # [03:38] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak)
  36. # [03:49] * Joins: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak)
  37. # [03:50] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) ("My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  38. # [04:10] * Quits: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak) ("Leaving.")
  39. # [04:28] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  40. # [04:49] * Joins: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak)
  41. # [04:56] * Quits: marcosc (~marcosc@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  42. # [05:27] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  43. # [05:55] * Quits: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak) ("Leaving")
  44. # [06:54] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  45. # [07:29] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak)
  46. # [07:32] * Joins: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak)
  47. # [07:32] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  48. # [07:43] * Quits: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak) ("My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  49. # [08:04] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  50. # [08:04] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  51. # [08:05] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  52. # [08:05] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  53. # [08:06] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  54. # [08:06] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  55. # [08:13] * Joins: yoichio (~yoichio@public.cloak)
  56. # [08:39] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  57. # [08:50] * Joins: dom (dom@public.cloak)
  58. # [09:01] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) ("My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  59. # [09:18] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  60. # [09:18] * Joins: anssik (~uid10742@public.cloak)
  61. # [09:23] * Joins: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak)
  62. # [09:37] * Quits: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak) ("Snuggling with the puppies")
  63. # [09:40] * Quits: chaals (~Adium@public.cloak) ("Leaving.")
  64. # [09:46] * Joins: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak)
  65. # [09:55] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak) ("My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  66. # [10:16] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  67. # [10:18] * zz_nickstenn is now known as nickstenn
  68. # [10:19] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak)
  69. # [10:41] * Quits: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak) ("Snuggling with the puppies")
  70. # [11:24] * Quits: anssik (~uid10742@public.cloak) ("Connection closed for inactivity")
  71. # [11:28] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak) ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com")
  72. # [11:29] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak)
  73. # [11:47] * Joins: jungkees (~uid24208@public.cloak)
  74. # [11:51] * Joins: smaug (~chatzilla@public.cloak)
  75. # [12:19] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  76. # [12:23] * Joins: abarsto (~abarsto@public.cloak)
  77. # [12:23] * abarsto is now known as ArtB
  78. # [13:28] * Joins: abarsto (~abarsto@public.cloak)
  79. # [13:33] * Quits: ArtB (~abarsto@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  80. # [13:37] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  81. # [13:43] * Joins: darobin_ (rberjon@public.cloak)
  82. # [13:44] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  83. # [13:53] * abarsto is now known as ArtB
  84. # [14:19] * Quits: smaug (~chatzilla@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  85. # [14:22] * Joins: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak)
  86. # [14:34] * Quits: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak) ("Snuggling with the puppies")
  87. # [15:28] * Joins: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak)
  88. # [15:28] * nickstenn is now known as zz_nickstenn
  89. # [15:37] * Joins: smaug (~chatzilla@public.cloak)
  90. # [15:37] * Joins: anssik (~uid10742@public.cloak)
  91. # [15:52] * ArtB is now known as ArtB_
  92. # [15:59] * Quits: estellevw (~estellevw@public.cloak) ("Snuggling with the puppies")
  93. # [16:27] * Quits: jungkees (~uid24208@public.cloak) ("Connection closed for inactivity")
  94. # [16:40] * zz_nickstenn is now known as nickstenn
  95. # [16:53] * darobin_ is now known as darobin
  96. # [17:11] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak)
  97. # [17:19] * Joins: lgombos (~gombos@public.cloak)
  98. # [17:28] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak) (Lachy)
  99. # [17:29] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  100. # [17:48] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  101. # [17:50] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  102. # [17:50] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  103. # [18:00] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  104. # [18:15] * Joins: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak)
  105. # [18:35] * Quits: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak) ("Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi")
  106. # [18:37] * Joins: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak)
  107. # [18:40] * Quits: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak) ("Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi")
  108. # [18:43] * Joins: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak)
  109. # [18:43] * Joins: tantek_ (~tantek@public.cloak)
  110. # [18:45] * Quits: tantek (~tpod@public.cloak) ("Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi")
  111. # [18:45] * tantek_ is now known as tantek
  112. # [18:53] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  113. # [18:54] * Quits: anssik (~uid10742@public.cloak) ("Connection closed for inactivity")
  114. # [18:54] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  115. # [19:01] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  116. # [19:01] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  117. # [19:02] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) ("My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  118. # [19:08] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  119. # [19:23] * Quits: lgombos (~gombos@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  120. # [19:29] * Joins: lgombos (~gombos@public.cloak)
  121. # [19:29] * terri_offline is now known as terri
  122. # [19:29] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  123. # [19:30] * Joins: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak)
  124. # [19:31] * Joins: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak)
  125. # [19:31] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  126. # [19:32] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  127. # [19:36] * Quits: lgombos (~gombos@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  128. # [19:40] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  129. # [19:54] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  130. # [20:04] * Joins: rubys (~rubys@public.cloak)
  131. # [20:05] <rubys> ArtB: do you need anything more from me re: advancing the URL spec?
  132. # [20:05] <rubys> ArtB_: ^^^
  133. # [20:14] <ArtB_> hi rubys
  134. # [20:15] * rubys waves
  135. # [20:18] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  136. # [20:35] <rubys> Attempt #2: ArtB_: do you need anything more from me re: advancing the URL spec?
  137. # [20:40] <ArtB_> sorry rubys (kinda' busy today)
  138. # [20:40] <ArtB_> what do you mean by "advancing"?
  139. # [20:41] <rubys> ArtB_: at a minimum, publishing a heartbeat
  140. # [20:41] * Joins: rniwa (~rniwa@public.cloak)
  141. # [20:42] <ArtB_> are you talking about publishing what you've been doing or making a 100% copy of WHATWG spec?
  142. # [20:43] <rubys> ArtB_: I spelled that out here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0315.html
  143. # [20:43] <rubys> note that some of the latest commits to the WHATWG spec have been made by me
  144. # [20:43] <rubys> https://github.com/whatwg/url/commits/master
  145. # [20:44] <ArtB_> so you want to publish a 100% copy of WHATWG URL spec?
  146. # [20:44] * nickstenn is now known as zz_nickstenn
  147. # [20:44] <rubys> substantive content identical, status section open to discussion. I suggest noting the formal objections there, if nothing else.
  148. # [20:45] <rubys> From my email of 29 Oct: "The substantive content should be identical to the current WHATWG URL Standard."
  149. # [20:45] <ArtB_> my understanding of the way Staff interpret the Normative Reference Policy is the WHATWG spec can be referenced by W3C specs. As such, I don't see why W3C needs to make a copy of WHATWG spec
  150. # [20:46] <rubys> then say so. Preferably on list. Make a decision either way. This limbo doesn't help anybody.
  151. # [20:47] <rubys> my position is that we should publish heartbeats, and schedule a meeting with the director. I've even publicly said this: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Nov/0036.html
  152. # [20:48] <rubys> on list, you suggest making me an editor. off list you suggest that this work shouldn't be done.
  153. # [20:48] <ArtB_> so by "we" in "we should publish" do you mean HTMLWG and/or HTMLWG Chairs?
  154. # [20:48] <ArtB_> (I hadn't seen that email)
  155. # [20:49] <rubys> we, as in #webapps. I am a member of the webapps wg, and am interested in working on the URL spec.
  156. # [20:49] <rubys> URL isn't in the HTML WG charter
  157. # [20:49] <ArtB_> so if you want to publish a new WD, then send a PSA to public-webapps
  158. # [20:51] <rubys> I can do that. From what I have seen such comes from webapps chairs historically. Also I haven't been named an editor of this by the webapps chairs.
  159. # [20:51] <ArtB_> I didn't say the work shouldn't be done
  160. # [20:51] <ArtB_> I said I don't see why W3C should publish it
  161. # [20:52] <rubys> we should discuss that with the director. I am planning to do so in 1Q15. Meanwhile, I'm willing to do the work. Tell me it is OK, or not OK to do so.
  162. # [20:53] <ArtB_> FYI, I won't participate in any non-Public discussions about this (or any other WHATWG spec)
  163. # [20:54] <rubys> my discussions are public. I'm more than willing to continue this on public-webapps. And even this IRC is publicly logged.
  164. # [20:54] <rubys> I pointed you to a public link on public-html-admin
  165. # [20:55] <rubys> my work, itself, is public on github
  166. # [20:55] <rubys> check #whatwg IRC for discussions with Anne.
  167. # [20:56] <ArtB_> ok, that's great (and re Public transparency, I was referring to your "we should discuss that with the director")
  168. # [20:57] <rubys> Fair enough. I'm planning to invite Anne. He said he is interested in doing so. You can chose to be interested or not.
  169. # [20:58] <ArtB_> alrighty
  170. # [20:59] <ArtB_> re PSA, the expectation is Editors can start them. If this isn't clear in https://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WorkMode#Consensus_and_Call_for_Consensus please let me know
  171. # [20:59] <rubys> editors are named by chairs
  172. # [21:01] <rubys> ArtB_: I have been accepted as a co-editor by the WHATWG. Is there anything more I need to do to be named as a W3C WebApps editor for the URL specification?
  173. # [21:02] <ArtB_> When I asked you if you wanted to be co-Editor of URL, I didn't notice a Y/N reply
  174. # [21:02] <ArtB_> so some clarity would be useful
  175. # [21:02] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  176. # [21:03] <rubys> done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014OctDec/0435.html
  177. # [21:07] <ArtB_> ok; I just updated PubStatus
  178. # [21:07] <ArtB_> is Danny still an Editor?
  179. # [21:07] <rubys> that's up to you.
  180. # [21:08] <ArtB_> (well no, not strictly speaking but I'll leave him as co-Editor (at least for now))
  181. # [21:09] <rubys> pubstatus is not up to date, there is a test suite; I'll take care of updating that
  182. # [21:11] <ArtB_> thanks
  183. # [21:11] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  184. # [21:13] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  185. # [21:13] * Quits: jyasskin_ (~textual@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  186. # [21:19] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  187. # [21:20] * Quits: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak) ("My computer has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  188. # [21:21] * Joins: jyasskin (~textual@public.cloak)
  189. # [21:26] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  190. # [21:32] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  191. # [21:32] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  192. # [21:33] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  193. # [21:43] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak)
  194. # [21:57] * Joins: jsbell_ (~jsbell@public.cloak)
  195. # [21:58] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  196. # [22:00] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  197. # [22:11] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  198. # [22:17] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak) ("My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…")
  199. # [22:18] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  200. # [22:21] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  201. # [22:35] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@public.cloak)
  202. # [22:46] * Joins: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak)
  203. # [23:04] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  204. # [23:08] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak)
  205. # [23:46] * Quits: lgombos_ (~gombos@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  206. # [23:49] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@public.cloak) (sicking)
  207. # Session Close: Wed Nov 19 00:00:00 2014

The end :)