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# Session Start: Fri Oct 12 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #webplatform
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# [00:24] <NotTomato> Hi guys.
# [00:24] <fr0zenice> hey
# [00:25] <ctoveloz[BR]_> hi
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# [00:31] <lampe2> hello
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# [00:32] <nzaccardi> hola!
# [00:32] <nzaccardi> We need to be more multicultural around here :)
# [00:33] <ctoveloz[BR]_> nzaccardi were u from ?
# [00:33] <tsinghtao> thats why they keep me around. culture.. and flair
# [00:33] <tsinghtao> heeh
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# [00:34] <nzaccardi> america
# [00:34] <nzaccardi> The epicenter of culture
# [00:34] <_cheney> 'murica
# [00:34] <nzaccardi> _cheney: That is how I normally say it.
# [00:35] <jowesho> F yeah
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# [00:35] <nzaccardi> No place like the upper midwest... God's country out here.
# [00:36] <jowesho> F no
# [00:36] <tsinghtao> spent most of my time is mid midwest. land of not much. hehe
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# [00:36] <nzaccardi> fist*
# [00:36] <nzaccardi> My typing has been off all day
# [00:37] <tsinghtao> jsut fyi. we want to have off topic on #webplatform-offtopic
# [00:37] <nzaccardi> tsinghtao: we went from 1 - 3 channels in 1 day...
# [00:37] <tsinghtao> hehe yah
# [00:37] <josiah> Is there plans to have a list of mime-types somewhere on webplatform.org? Or would that be outside the scope of the project?
# [00:37] <tsinghtao> and not that much going on today
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# [00:40] <tsinghtao> i think is not a bad idea to have some mime info on the site.
# [00:40] <tsinghtao> text/json application/xml
# [00:41] <tsinghtao> etc. understanding why is relevant
# [00:41] <_cheney> yes there should be
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# [00:43] <Garbee> I think mime-types might be getting more into server admin. Then again I'm not sure why one needs to know them outside of apache configs.
# [00:44] <eternicode> seeing as that info is in HTTP headers 90% of the time, I would classify it as backend tech.
# [00:45] <_cheney> they're used all the time i.e. link and script tags
# [00:45] <Garbee> I use a MIME type in a link and script tag?
# [00:45] <eternicode> type="text/css", yeah
# [00:46] <Garbee> Well, we don't do that anymore.
# [00:46] <eternicode> although, in HTML5, the "type" attribute is deprecated.
# [00:46] <fr0zenice> mime type for <video> / <audio> sources
# [00:46] <_cheney> <script type="text/javascript">
# [00:46] <Garbee> Not depreciated, just it assumes a certain type for certain tags.
# [00:46] <Garbee> It still has a valid use like saying type="text/less" for less files.
# [00:47] <Garbee> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess --We could basically bring the list in from this .htaccess into somewhere to start.
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# [00:48] <eternicode> alright, thought it was deprecated, guess not.
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# [00:50] <Garbee> Knowing that using it for specifying types makes it completely relevent, the only question is where to put it...
# [00:50] <Garbee> Oh, already here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types
# [00:50] <Garbee> We just need to expand it with the list.
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# [00:51] <tsinghtao> just saw that link as well
# [00:55] <@shepazu> josiah: I think a list of common mime types is totally appropriate
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# [00:55] <Garbee> I'm adding a table now.
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# [00:56] <Garbee> With the ones shown in the .htaccess from H5BP.
# [00:56] <josiah> Awesome
# [00:56] <@shepazu> Garbee: url?
# [00:57] <Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types --page adding content to from https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess
# [00:57] <Garbee> Starting on line 79 of the htaccess.
# [00:57] <Garbee> Not exactly all inclusive, but a decent start.
# [00:58] <@shepazu> make sure to include SVG :P
# [00:58] <Garbee> Care to tell me what that type is?
# [00:58] <@shepazu> it's in the list
# [00:58] <Garbee> Oh, then ofc it is getting in.
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# [01:13] <Garbee> Does the Preview not like Tables?
# [01:14] <fr0zenice> the preview likes to decode too much
# [01:14] <Garbee> It stops at { no matter what I try, even copying tables that work from other places.
# [01:14] <fr0zenice> looks fine on save though
# [01:14] <fr0zenice> have that on my to-bug list :)
# [01:14] <Garbee> So, I should just trust what I'm doing is right at this point and fix any issues later... :/
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# [01:22] <Garbee> fr0zenice, Still broken, could you possibly check to make sure I started the table properly? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/mime_types
# [01:22] <fr0zenice> checking
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# [01:24] <fr0zenice> fixed
# [01:24] <Garbee> What did I do wrong?
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# [01:24] <fr0zenice> because you use the form field, you have to use {{!}} instead of | in certain places
# [01:24] <Garbee> Ok, that is a retarded setup.
# [01:24] <Garbee> Ah.
# [01:25] <Garbee> That would be nice to know.
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# [01:25] <fr0zenice> preview was actually working ok there
# [01:25] <fr0zenice> had some hiccups yesterday, about to send the mail to the list
# [01:25] <Garbee> Yea, it was just me not knowing that tirck.
# [01:25] <Garbee> trick*
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# [01:25] <Garbee> Thanks for letting me know and checking it out.
# [01:25] <fr0zenice> np
# [01:26] <Garbee> Now we just need to get that table a little more organized and expand upon it. But for now, it is a nice start.
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# [01:28] <Garbee> Ooo, Even more to bring in:
# [01:28] <Garbee> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Sample_.htaccess_file.
# [01:28] <Garbee> Except no . at the end.
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# [03:17] <Garbee> Ryan_Lane, I'm getting 503's under the Docs again.
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# [03:18] <@Ryan_Lane> checking
# [03:18] <Garbee> I think at 9PM the cache just hates us.
# [03:19] <@Ryan_Lane> odd
# [03:19] <@Ryan_Lane> database is returning fine
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# [03:23] <Unitox> helloo
# [03:23] <Unitox> Any pro here?
# [03:23] <eedeep> pro?
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# [03:23] <Unitox> professionsl
# [03:24] <Unitox> professional
# [03:24] <Unitox> i need question
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# [03:24] <Unitox> no pro here? :(
# [03:24] <Unitox> Any game developer?
# [03:24] <Unitox> ot WebSite Developer?
# [03:24] <Unitox> or
# [03:25] <eedeep> haha you need question? I think you probably need an answer rather than a question
# [03:25] <_cheney> just ask your question
# [03:25] <Unitox> lol yes
# [03:25] <Unitox> just i want sleep and bad thinking now
# [03:25] <Unitox> and eng not first language
# [03:26] <Unitox> what just ask? if here no developers
# [03:26] <Garbee> Yea, just ask.
# [03:26] <Unitox> oh hi
# [03:26] <Garbee> if we can help we will, if we can't we just don't answer.
# [03:26] <Garbee> ;)
# [03:26] <Unitox> Engine Crafty work with WebGL?
# [03:26] <Unitox> crafty.js
# [03:27] <Unitox> Hey?
# [03:27] <Unitox> Gabree?
# [03:28] <Unitox> Any help plz?
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# [03:28] <Unitox> :(
# [03:29] <_cheney> i've never used crafty but this suggests it does something with webgl http://craftyjs.com/api/Crafty-support.html#Crafty-support-webgl
# [03:29] <Garbee> Unitox, Please don't PM people w/o asking.
# [03:30] <Unitox> ok
# [03:30] <_cheney> you're better off checking the craftyjs forums
# [03:30] <Unitox> maybe u know good engine for 2d games (top view) with good support WebGL?
# [03:31] <eedeep> Unitox: totally understand the english as second language challenge.
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# [03:31] <_cheney> have you checked threejs?
# [03:31] <Unitox> no
# [03:31] <Unitox> im beginner
# [03:31] <Unitox> nub
# [03:31] <_cheney> start here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5765124/webgl-2d-engine
# [03:32] <Unitox> its good engine?
# [03:32] <_cheney> i've never used any :\
# [03:32] <Unitox> i want make game for tablets and netbooks
# [03:32] <Unitox> ::(
# [03:32] <_cheney> try the ##javascript channel
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# [03:33] <Unitox> guru meditation? lol i see on forum message apatche
# [03:34] <Unitox> okey thanks
# [03:34] <Unitox> i now go sleep
# [03:34] <_cheney> good night
# [03:34] <miketaylr> Unitox: knock yourself out, https://github.com/bebraw/jswiki/wiki/Game-Engines
# [03:34] <Unitox> and tomorrow back
# [03:34] <Unitox> cose maybe here will many people developers
# [03:34] <Unitox> more
# [03:34] <Unitox> thx u too i open link...
# [03:35] <Unitox> but i need pro developer
# [03:36] <Unitox> oh
# [03:36] <Unitox> maybe me can use game constructor?
# [03:37] <Unitox> or this not will have high FPS?
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# [03:38] <Unitox> oh okey tomorow i bad
# [03:38] <Unitox> bb night
# [03:38] <Unitox> tomorrow i back
# [03:38] <Unitox> rrr
# [03:38] <Unitox> :)
# [03:38] <Unitox> bb
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# [03:54] <jeffslofish> Hi
# [03:55] <Benvie> successfully shimmed Object.create(null) in old IE: https://github.com/kriskowal/es5-shim/pull/132/files
# [03:55] <socialhapy> ★ Pull request on es5-shim by Benvie (4h, 40m ago): Support Object.create(null)
# [03:55] <NotTomato> Hi jeffslofish.
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# [03:55] <jeffslofish> Hi again thanks for your help last night
# [03:56] <NotTomato> No problem.
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# [03:59] <jeffslofish> I'm actually on a walk right now but should be making some more minor improvements soon
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# [04:01] <arkhi> Good morning all
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# [04:51] <jeffslofish> hello anybody here?
# [04:52] <lowlevel> just us chickens
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# [04:54] <jeffslofish> anybody know how many spaces code should be indented ?
# [04:54] <jeffslofish> bok bok bok
# [04:54] <_cheney> 4
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# [04:55] <jeffslofish> shall i put that in the style guide?
# [04:55] <jeffslofish> i couldn't find it anywhere
# [04:55] <_cheney> it's a personal preference thing
# [04:55] <_cheney> but i think it is generally 4 by default in some editors
# [04:55] <lowlevel> people have been arguing about spaces and tabs for eons
# [04:56] <jeffslofish> i mean how many should be using in the docs.webplatform.org code samples?
# [04:57] <_cheney> just checked my editor and its actually 2 spaces.. hehe
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# [04:58] <_cheney> it's a touchy subject, like lowlevel said. not sure if adding it would be helpful or not
# [04:58] <jeffslofish> ok, i was just trying to clean up some indentation that was not consistent, so i'll just make it consistent with itself and move on :-)
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# [05:09] <arkhi> jeffslofish: I use two spaces.
# [05:09] <jeffslofish> ok
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# [05:13] <clarkpan> hi guys
# [05:13] <jeffslofish> hi there
# [05:13] <clarkpan> anyone know what the current state of radial-gradient is
# [05:14] <clarkpan> in terms of support
# [05:14] <arkhi> Hello clarkpan
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# [05:14] <clarkpan> hello!
# [05:14] <clarkpan> caniuse doesn't go specifically into radial gradient support
# [05:14] <arkhi> clarkpan: http://caniuse.com/#search=radial would help?
# [05:14] <clarkpan> unless i missed it somehow
# [05:14] <arkhi> doh. :)
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# [05:14] <clarkpan> haha yea i tried
# [05:14] <clarkpan> mdn doesn't help either
# [05:15] <clarkpan> well it does
# [05:15] <clarkpan> for desktop
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# [05:15] <clarkpan> but not mobile
# [05:17] <arkhi> Sorry clarkpan, can’t answer your question accurately.
# [05:17] <clarkpan> hmm its fine i'll fallback to linear gradients
# [05:17] <clarkpan> no one will notice
# [05:17] <arkhi> use SVG? :)
# [05:18] <clarkpan> thats a thought...
# [05:18] <@shepazu> arkhi++ for being helpful
# [05:18] <clarkpan> but svg support in ios is buggy
# [05:19] <clarkpan> yes that
# [05:19] <clarkpan> thx for the help
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# [05:20] <arkhi> clarkpan: You might give a try at http://www.webdirections.org/blog/css3-radial-gradients/
# [05:21] <@shepazu> clarkpan: we are working on improving our feature support tables, so hopefully in the not-too-distant future, you should be able to find the information there (or at the very least, request for more info, and expect it to be added quickly)
# [05:22] <clarkpan> awesome
# [05:22] <clarkpan> really hoping webplatform gets good quick
# [05:22] <clarkpan> all these browser tabs are slowing down my browser
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# [06:02] <jarek> btw, are there any plans to support CSS gradient in SVG?
# [06:03] <jarek> s/gradient/gradients
# [06:03] <@shepazu> jarek: yes, in SVG 2
# [06:03] <jarek> shepazu: in this spec? https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/toc.html
# [06:03] <@shepazu> I don't know if it's in there yet, but it will be
# [06:03] <jarek> it doesn't seem to be there yet
# [06:04] <@shepazu> it will be
# [06:04] <@shepazu> nn, folks
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# [06:07] <gluxon> Hi, I saw a request for volunteer moderators on IRC on the Twitter feed. The link doesn't describe how to apply though.
# [06:10] <arkhi> Hello gluxon…
# [06:10] <arkhi> I guess applying here is a good start. :)
# [06:10] <gluxon> arkhi: Awesome. :)
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# [06:10] <gluxon> https://twitter.com/divya/status/256490128585936896
# [06:10] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from divya: The @WebPlatform needs your help! Can you moderate the IRC channel or Q&A section? http://t.co/7rHgMIQW ★ http://bit.ly/TEa7cw
# [06:10] <gluxon> ^ Great, but the link doesn't explain how to apply....
# [06:10] <arkhi> gluxon: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Volunteer_moderators
# [06:11] <arkhi> You’ll have to read the document though. ;)
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# [06:11] <eternicode> gluxon, it does, indirectly. Email the address mentioned.
# [06:11] <arkhi> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Volunteer_moderators#Getting_help
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# [06:13] <gluxon> eternicode: Oh, is that what I'm suppose to do? That section kind of suggests that Chris Mill's email is on questions for already registered volunteers.
# [06:13] <eternicode> gluxon, "Chris Mills is the organizer of the volunteer moderators", kinda implies he's the guy to contact ;)
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# [06:14] <arkhi> gluxon: Either you can send him an email, or wait that he wakes up and arrives in here…
# [06:15] <arkhi> But anyhow… Welcome in. :)
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# [06:20] <gluxon> eternicode, arkhi: Thanks guys! :)
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# [06:48] <jarek> what methods do I need to implement in NSDocument to make the "Save as..." menu item active?
# [06:49] <jarek> currently it is grayed-out even though I have implemented dataOfType method
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# [07:18] <jarek> sorry, wrong channel...
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# [07:54] <As4xk> Mornings :)
# [07:57] <arkhi> Good morning As4xk
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# [08:02] <As4xk> How are things? :)
# [08:02] <arkhi> quiet since the webchat is off. :)
# [08:02] <@paul_irish> :)
# [08:02] <As4xk> :)
# [08:03] <As4xk> Is it coming back?
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# [08:04] <arkhi> I don’t know…
# [08:05] <@paul_irish> nope.
# [08:05] <@paul_irish> doug posted about it on the list
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# [08:06] <@paul_irish> or not.
# [08:06] <arkhi> :)
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# [08:06] <@paul_irish> but he said he wont bring it back without sufficient security measures.
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# [08:08] <As4xk> Ok. Thats good/too bad :p Chaotic with spam/flooding, but an easy and great way for beginners to see how much IRC communities can help
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# [08:08] <arkhi> As4xk: The good thing is that logs are still online, I assume.
# [08:09] <arkhi> So people can view first and get involved if they are interested.
# [08:09] <arkhi> instead of just “clicking on this cool chat link”.
# [08:10] <As4xk> Yes, thats good :) But beginners won't read those if they have questions though
# [08:10] <arkhi> which was cool. :)
# [08:10] <As4xk> hehe
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# [08:14] <As4xk> What do you do arkhi? :)
# [08:14] <arkhi> Mainly CSS stuff…
# [08:14] <arkhi> was part of Paris-Web too if you ever heard about it
# [08:14] <arkhi> and editor for pompage
# [08:15] <arkhi> I guess we can say I’am frontend dev.
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# [08:16] <arkhi> you, As4xk
# [08:16] <arkhi> ?
# [08:16] <As4xk> Nice. Haven't heard about Paris-Web no. Something French if i google correctly? :p
# [08:17] <arkhi> Not Paris, TX, nope. :p
# [08:18] <As4xk> Haha. Ok.
# [08:18] <arkhi> You googled right. :)
# [08:18] <As4xk> I mostly do PHP. Not that much frontend
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# [08:18] <As4xk> Might be the wrong place to be though, but i like the whole idea of this ;)
# [08:18] <arkhi> designer’s best friend!
# [08:19] <arkhi> I guess liking the idea is all it takes.
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# [08:19] <arkhi> I’m graduated in architecture… most of the people would think it’s not much about computer sciences. :)
# [08:20] <As4xk> Everything is about computer science if you want it to be :D
# [08:22] <arkhi> I take this more as everything is about public spaces, but yeah, both applies. :)
# [08:23] <As4xk> yes :) But i got to go to the buss ;)
# [08:23] <As4xk> see you
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# [08:24] <arkhi> enjoy the ride
# [08:24] <desbenoit> Hi!
# [08:24] <arkhi> Hello desbenoit
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# [08:25] <desbenoit> Bonjour arkhi :)
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# [08:26] <Arkkis> The "forum" seems to be a bit rough on the edges for now. I wonder if stackoverflow guys would be willing to help with it. They seem to have that format somewhat mastered.
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# [08:28] <@paul_irish> they'd probably just suggest to use them, aye?
# [08:31] <mdel> for some of the questions on there, they should :)
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# [08:35] <@tobie> Ya, I'd like to know what incentive they'd have to help us compete against their project.
# [08:36] <Arkkis> tobie, good question
# [08:36] <eedeep> well if they hosted a sub-reddit (or whatever name they have for it) and it drove traffic to their "network", that's an incentive
# [08:38] <Arkkis> I'd see that as a win for both
# [08:38] <Arkkis> actually, for all three sides
# [08:38] <Arkkis> users, stackoverflow and webplatform sides
# [08:39] <eedeep> well love em or hate em, they have won in that space I think as far as quality of features (and thereby content) goes
# [08:39] <vldcnst> http://oradeanul.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/furat.gif
# [08:39] <vldcnst> only in RUSSIA
# [08:40] <Arkkis> for webplatform as then "the weel" would not have to be re-invented, for stackexchange guys as they would not get a competitor and for users as the features are quite good and community seems to work there
# [08:40] <Arkkis> doh, "the wheel"
# [08:40] <Arkkis> it seems I'm a bit sleepy still
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# [08:42] <vldcnst> (and sorry, wrong channel for that pic. ugh)
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# [08:54] <arkhi> Hey chrismills
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# [08:55] <@chrismills> arkhi: hey!
# [08:57] <@chrismills> Hope you guys are ok today. I seem to have come down with flu overnight
# [08:57] <@chrismills> so am not gonna be working at full efficiency today ;-(
# [08:57] <arkhi> You didn’t gave it to me, at least. Thanks for not doing so.
# [08:58] <arkhi> Get better soon!
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# [08:58] <@chrismills> i don't think you can transmit flu over the internet ;-)
# [08:58] <As4xk> Thats not good chrismills :/
# [08:59] <@chrismills> no ;-)
# [08:59] <@chrismills> I think it's my body telling me I'm doing far too much again
# [08:59] <mdel> wish my body did that sometimes
# [09:00] <BrokenAngel> it would be fun if it was internet-passed, that would make a whole new market for anti-virus...
# [09:00] <arkhi> BrokenAngel: I don’t like your idea, for some reason. :p
# [09:00] * mdel needs a Norton shot
# [09:00] <arkhi> I’am fine without chrismills flu. :)
# [09:01] <arkhi> chrismills: What can we help you with?
# [09:01] <As4xk> Milk with warm honey? ;)
# [09:01] <@chrismills> Basically, just take up the reins for today's moderation, make sure that the IRC is manned
# [09:01] <arkhi> Aye sir
# [09:02] <@chrismills> As4xk: you can't send that over the internet either ;-)
# [09:02] <arkhi> they have some things here that would surely fix you right
# [09:02] <@chrismills> thanks guys - I do appreciate it
# [09:02] <As4xk> i could send the recipe, and order stuff online. It would take some time though
# [09:02] <@chrismills> At least we are more decided on what questions are out of scape now
# [09:02] <@chrismills> scope*
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# [09:03] <mdel> chrismills: are we? I've been trying to follow that discussion, but it seems to be stalled on the mailing list
# [09:04] <@chrismills> mddl … hrm. I have just seen last night's mail about it ;-)
# [09:04] <mdel> i did post my thoughts on the topic earlier, but I'm new to the w3c mailing list, and I could have failed at that
# [09:04] <@chrismills> mdel damming, i guess not ;-(
# [09:04] <@chrismills> dammnit*
# [09:04] <@chrismills> stupid auto correct spelling...
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# [09:05] <mdel> it seems like there is some sense of agreement, but I have been told that there are some still undecided on whether "support" questions (regarding specific code) would be allowed
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# [09:08] <@chrismills> mdel: I would say a definite no. I'll chime in and see if I can get this closer to some kind of resolution
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# [09:11] <mdel> chrismills: sounds good - i also brought up the unification of guidelines across communication mediums
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# [09:12] <mdel> i think it makes sense to have the same guidelines on IRC and Q&A to keep things consistent
# [09:12] <ravenzz> morning
# [09:12] <@chrismills> desbenoit: cheers!
# [09:12] <mdel> damn, it is morning isnt it
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# [09:12] <mstalfoort> mdel, for me it is... and u?
# [09:12] <mdel> 3am lol
# [09:13] <mdel> lost track of time, which is a recurring pattern recently
# [09:13] <mstalfoort> lol
# [09:13] <ravenzz> eh
# [09:13] <@chrismills> mdel: yes, I agree. I think paul_irish had a good idea about pointing specific tech support questions on Q&A towards stack overflow.
# [09:13] <ravenzz> actually I wish it was evening
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# [09:13] <ravenzz> >> BEER
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# [09:14] <ravenzz> hi chrismills
# [09:14] <@chrismills> ravenzz: hola!
# [09:15] <ravenzz> I was wondering how come that chris mills is not on freenode, and surprise here you are :)
# [09:15] <@chrismills> i have been here most of the time ;-)
# [09:15] <@chrismills> this week...
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# [09:16] <As4xk> ravenzz: It's not nice to tempt us with beer so early
# [09:16] <ravenzz> yeah I was looking for you weeks ago
# [09:16] <ravenzz> I am the guy who started to working on the italian translation of the wsc
# [09:16] <@chrismills> i seem to have spent my whole week moderating irc, and writing and rewriting loads of WPD policy documents, FAQs, etc. Hopefully next week i can do some real work ;-)
# [09:16] <@chrismills> ravenzz: oh yes, i remember
# [09:17] <desbenoit> chrismills mdel I could only agree to this idea. The project is too young to compete with Stack Overflow. We need to be effecient and i'm not sure focusing on Q&A will help the content to fill.
# [09:17] <desbenoit> efficient
# [09:17] <arkhisaway> chrismills: As far as I can tell, you did really great! That’s tons of work and details.
# [09:17] <@paul_irish> the argument for keeping it .. i think
# [09:18] <ravenzz> I was about to commit the first translation when webplatform was announced :[ I think that it will require a new organization
# [09:18] <ravenzz> now at the bus stop I read the divya tweet, so if you are still looking for moderators, here I am
# [09:18] <@chrismills> ravenzz: well, none of that effort is wasted - all that content can come over to WPD
# [09:18] <ravenzz> I have been doing this for a couple of years on #css and #jquery
# [09:18] <@paul_irish> is that Q&A can have a much livlier and more visible community than the docs content.. and that you could hypothetically have such robust answers in Q&A that they could transition into the documentation
# [09:18] <@paul_irish> both are kind of best case scenario
# [09:19] <@paul_irish> sup ravenzz
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# [09:19] <+ravenzz> sup paul :)
# [09:19] <@chrismills> ravenzz: that would be great - can you drop me your mail address in a private message?
# [09:19] <+ravenzz> sure
# [09:20] <mdel> takinf SO as an example, I think most of the Q&A there wouldn't translate into documentation very well
# [09:20] <mdel> many of the more robust answers are still very specific
# [09:20] <mdel> but i do see the argument from both sides
# [09:21] <+ravenzz> but there are tons of common questions
# [09:21] <@_WiZZarD> mornink
# [09:21] <+ravenzz> you can answer with links
# [09:21] <+ravenzz> to doc/articles
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# [09:22] <@chrismills> paul_irish, mdel i think it depends on how the questions are framed. I think at least for the moment we should encourage people to go to SO for really specific answers to dev questions, just so we can keep things moving. But then other stuff that is slightly more general , and could make for nice documentation, could be discussed.
# [09:23] <mdel> yeah, I'm thinking more pessimistically about questions like "what am i doing wrong on this codez"
# [09:23] <@chrismills> if we tried to document loads of SO type stuff, we would end up with a really difficult to parse, bitty structure
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# [09:24] <@chrismills> whereas questions like, for example "I am doing some mobile phone testing, and would like to find out different common phone screen sizes for doing RWD" - that would make a great reference article
# [09:25] <desbenoit> Perhaps we need a typology of the questions that could be answered on Q&A and the ones that need a redirection to stack overflow.
# [09:25] <@chrismills> desbenoit: I would be happy to try writing a guidance document, and seeing if it works/helps
# [09:26] <@chrismills> desbenoit: but i can image it will be difficult, and we'll end up with loads of edge cases.
# [09:26] <mdel> yeah i think defining "good" and "bad" questions up front, and then iterating as we see where the discussion is going would be good
# [09:26] <desbenoit> I didn't tell it was easy... It's more a right thing to do (dumbledore style)
# [09:26] <+ravenzz> what about search suggestions taken from google
# [09:27] <mdel> it would definitely need refinement as the community grows, but I think at the core we have a pretty solid agreement that this simply isn't the place for SO-esque questions
# [09:27] <+ravenzz> restricted domains (stackoverflow mdn and so on)
# [09:27] <+ravenzz> if the user don't find an answer there. he will be free to post a new one
# [09:27] <@chrismills> yeah. OK. I'll have a go at writing it. Guidance for Q&A moderators.
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# [09:27] <@chrismills> I'll add it to the volunteer moderator doc I write yesterday
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# [09:31] <mdel> chrismills: awesome, thanks again for your work on this
# [09:33] <desbenoit> Perhaps we can add a simple link to a simple "Where can I ask my question?" chart flow under the Ask a question input. It could help users and moderators.
# [09:33] <mdel> bed for me, feel better chris and all you other infected people
# [09:33] <@Grephix> morning
# [09:34] <desbenoit> Morning Grephix
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# [09:37] <Richard_Ainz__> Good Day Europe...
# [09:38] <@Grephix> Hiya Richard_Ainz__
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# [09:39] <richardainz|work> hiya grephix
# [09:39] <richardainz|work> howsithanging
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# [09:46] <Vidz> anyone here?
# [09:46] <@varl> yes, a few.
# [09:47] <richardainz|work> the silence of the lambs
# [09:47] <Vidz> I signed up to webplatform.org yesterday.. I recieved two e-mails
# [09:47] <Vidz> one from my ip-adress, and one mail one minute later from a differne IP..
# [09:47] <Vidz> have you experienced this?
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# [09:48] <@varl> no, Vidz, I haven't.
# [09:48] <Vidz> first mail:
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# [09:48] <Vidz> Someone, probably you, from IP address 208.174.57.186, has registered an account “Trinitonn” with this e-mail address on WebPlatform Docs.
# [09:48] <Vidz> second mail, 1 minute later:
# [09:48] <Vidz> Someone, probably you, from IP address 149.6.60.6, has registered an account “Trinitonn” with this e-mail address on WebPlatform Docs.
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# [09:49] <Vidz> isn't that odd?
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# [09:50] <Vidz> actually, none of those ip's are mine..
# [09:50] <@varl> hm. I didn't receive a confirmation e-mail at all when I signed up.
# [09:50] <@varl> Vidz: is there a link in the e-mail?
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# [09:51] <Vidz> varl, yes there are a confirmation link in both emails.. and they are not similar
# [09:52] <Vidz> is*
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# [09:53] <As4xk> I had the same issue three days ago
# [09:54] <Vidz> I don't know what it is.... just wanted to let you guys know
# [09:54] <+ravenzz> Vidz this is supposed to be the correct format http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmEmail/hash
# [09:54] <As4xk> To honest i didnt see it before now :p
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# [09:54] <@varl> Vidz: verify the meta-information contained in the e-mail headers, if it's bogus just report them as spam.
# [09:54] <Vidz> ravenzz: yes, that is correct. I recieved two mails with two different hashes
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# [09:55] <+ravenzz> varl did you check your spam folder ?
# [09:55] <@varl> ravenzz: yes, and the /bin.
# [09:55] <+ravenzz> Vidz anyway this is clearly a bug
# [09:56] <+ravenzz> I got the confirmation email with the same IP address 208.174.57.186
# [09:56] <Vidz> ahh
# [09:57] <Vidz> well.. I pressed the activationlink in the first e-mail I got. I think it went allright ;)
# [09:57] <+ravenzz> sweet
# [09:57] <As4xk> Both of the IP addresses are the same for me as well
# [09:59] <@varl> I tried to resend the activation mail 5 minutes ago, but no dice yet.
# [10:00] <+ravenzz> mine was in the spam box
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# [10:01] <As4xk> We should probably report both that the email was reported as spam, and the IP address situation to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi
# [10:01] <Sandkorn> G'Morning folks. :)
# [10:02] <Vidz> As4xk; you fix? :)
# [10:02] <As4xk> Yes :)
# [10:02] <As4xk> Good morning Sandkorn
# [10:02] <Vidz> nice^^
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# [10:03] <@Grephix> Hiya Sandkorn
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# [10:10] <NDakotaBE> Goodmorning,
# [10:10] <Sandkorn> Morning!
# [10:10] <NDakotaBE> I have a quick question :)
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# [10:12] <NDakotaBE> Would it be the purpose of webplatform to implement server technologies too? Like Zend Framework, ExpressionEngine, PHP, ASP, ...
# [10:12] <kranius> not really
# [10:12] <NDakotaBE> Might I ask why not?
# [10:12] <Sandkorn> see: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
# [10:13] <kranius> because it's about client side
# [10:13] <kranius> you answererd your own question
# [10:14] <kranius> AFAIK maybe we will find *pointers* to server-side stuff
# [10:14] <NDakotaBE> I see.
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# [10:19] <ctoveloz[BR]> coffe :)
# [10:20] <Sandkorn> *jealous*
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# [10:26] <vldcnst> someone likes math
# [10:27] <sz0ka> vldcnst: I thought exactly the same thing a second ago xD
# [10:27] <sz0ka> "Yeah well, pi as exit message.. Nerd.."
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# [10:32] <ctoveloz[BR]> is a good alternative for those who do not like math hehe
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# [10:44] <superchu> hi
# [10:44] <ctoveloz[BR]> hi
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# [10:52] <superchu> so..
# [10:52] <superchu> will there be any guides/how-to's on webplatform.org?
# [10:53] <superchu> im thinking like. how to build a website from scratch, converting the photoshop mockup to html/css and so on?
# [10:53] <mstalfoort> superchu, my guess the tutorial section
# [10:53] <superchu> do's and don'ts
# [10:53] <superchu> cool
# [10:53] <@_WiZZarD> superchu: chances are that those subjects are too specific and in-depth for the site
# [10:53] <mstalfoort> though, i dont think starting from scratch
# [10:54] <mstalfoort> it will cover the technologies, but a complete workflow? dont think so
# [10:55] <Sandkorn> check http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/tutorials for ex. whats currently around.. maybe write something.. =)
# [10:55] <superchu> i saw it
# [10:55] <superchu> im just trying to figure out the main goal of the site :)
# [10:55] <superchu> but im guessing the main goal is not to target people who are completely new to html/web development?
# [10:56] <mstalfoort> yes it is, by covering the technologies
# [10:56] <superchu> i see
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# [10:57] <@Grephix> mstalfoort: however, it's more actual documentation than a site to search for tutorials
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# [10:57] <Sandkorn> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners is already looking like a good refuge for beginners :)
# [10:57] <superchu> cuz i often get questions like: "how should i do this or that?" or "how should i implement this menu" and so on
# [10:57] <mstalfoort> the thing you mentioned are pretty workflow specific, and different per user so by choosing the tech you can discover your flow that suits you superchu
# [10:58] <superchu> so i tought it might be a good idea to be able to forward those questions to a place like webplatform
# [10:58] <@Grephix> It's not that much of a howto site, superchu
# [10:58] <superchu> yeah, im getting that now :).
# [10:58] <superchu> so its more like an documentation site for us developers? :)
# [10:58] <@Grephix> Exactly
# [10:59] <superchu> well thats great too :D
# [10:59] <@Grephix> More reference-like
# [10:59] <mstalfoort> superchu, YES, how cool is that
# [10:59] <superchu> yeah
# [11:00] <ctoveloz[BR]> I think all are the target audience
# [11:00] <ctoveloz[BR]> I for example. have much knowledge but little practical
# [11:01] <ctoveloz[BR]> I'll start at a company next month, but in training.
# [11:02] <superchu> good for you :)
# [11:02] <ctoveloz[BR]> but I've really wanted something from now.
# [11:03] <superchu> Grephix: so. what contributions do you need most right now?
# [11:03] <dontcallmedom> the HTML element pages have detailed info on the associated DOM interface, e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
# [11:04] <dontcallmedom> isn't that redundant with http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLParagraphElement ?
# [11:04] <Sandkorn> superchu, check http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started theres a nice listing of what can be done :-)
# [11:04] <dontcallmedom> also, I would expect the DOM interface shown at the top of the page to be a link to the latter
# [11:05] <dontcallmedom> is it a known a bug that it doesn't, or is there a problem with the way the DOM interface is named?
# [11:05] <superchu> Sandkorn: you swe? :)
# [11:05] <Sandkorn> German =)
# [11:05] <Sandkorn> (but means the same :P)
# [11:05] <superchu> ah. your name sound swedish
# [11:05] <superchu> :)
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# [11:08] <dontcallmedom> chrismills, any view on my question above? (i.e. documenting the DOM interface of HTML elements in the HTML element page or not)
# [11:08] <dontcallmedom> <dontcallmedom> the HTML element pages have detailed info on the associated DOM interface, e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
# [11:08] <dontcallmedom> isn't that redundant with http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom/HTMLParagraphElement ?
# [11:08] <dontcallmedom> <dontcallmedom> also, I would expect the DOM interface shown at the top of the page to be a link to the latter
# [11:08] <dontcallmedom> is it a known a bug that it doesn't, or is there a problem with the way the DOM interface is named?
# [11:09] <@paul_irish> dontcallmedom: i think its redundant yeah. we didnt have a way to merge those two pages during the import.
# [11:09] <dontcallmedom> ok, so I will remove the DOM interface from the markup element page
# [11:11] <@paul_irish> well
# [11:12] * dontcallmedom wonders about attributes then
# [11:12] <@chrismills> dontcallmeDOM +1 to what paul_irish said - both need to be documented separately, as they are different entities, technology wise, people could quite easily want to search for either. But they should be linked between the two. And to cover the DOM interface on the element page is redundant. That stuff should all be on the dom interface page, and linked to from the element page
# [11:12] <dontcallmedom> right; re link from the element page, there seems to be a defined mechanism for it, but it doesn't create a link
# [11:12] <dontcallmedom> I'm not sure if it's a bug in the template, or in the info as it is entered
# [11:13] <@paul_irish> yeah seems like a bug in the template. that should be linked
# [11:13] <@paul_irish> over in the Edit everything seems to be correct
# [11:14] <@chrismills> lemme just have a play with it
# [11:14] <@chrismills> there - http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/p
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# [11:15] <@chrismills> you can turn it into a link manually, using MediaWiki link syntax
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# [11:15] <@chrismills> But I would think that should just be done automatically
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# [11:15] <@chrismills> so file a bug i reckon
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# [11:22] <dontcallmedom> bug filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19498
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# [11:24] <dontcallmedom> I would like to link the list of "global attributes" (i.e. id, title, etc) from within an HTML element, but I haven't found such a list
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# [11:25] <dontcallmedom> I'm not sure where to put it
# [11:25] <@chrismills> cheers dontcallmeDOM
# [11:27] <@chrismills> dontcallmeDOM: the most obvious place to put attribute information right now would be the Main content form field.
# [11:27] <@chrismills> But I agree that it should probably have it's own specialist field
# [11:28] <dontcallmedom> that's true too, but I meant something else here :)
# [11:28] <dontcallmedom> every single HTML element has a set of default attributes, namely http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/#inf,html,a,global%20HTML%20attributes
# [11:28] <@chrismills> ah ;-)
# [11:28] <dontcallmedom> I wonder where to document that list of default attributes
# [11:28] <@chrismills> ah yes
# [11:28] <dontcallmedom> (so that it can then be linked from individual elements)
# [11:29] <dontcallmedom> (meanwhile, I'll file a bug for a dedicated attribute section on markup elements)
# [11:30] <@chrismills> We have a big list of attributes at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes
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# [11:31] <@chrismills> But my feeling is that the global attributes should probably be stored in a single page
# [11:31] <dontcallmedom> agreed; but I don't know what path to give to it
# [11:31] <@chrismills> Maybe make separate entries for each of them in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes
# [11:31] <dontcallmedom> hmm... interesting idea indeed
# [11:31] <dontcallmedom> but that page is auto-generated, isn't it?
# [11:31] <ctoveloz[BR]> true this very mixed
# [11:31] <@chrismills> But then also create a collection of link to the global ones, at say http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global attributes
# [11:32] <@chrismills> sorry
# [11:32] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes
# [11:33] <dontcallmedom> sounds good
# [11:33] <@chrismills> the eventual idea is to be able to auto generate those pages based on different flags, so if you flagged an attribute page as attribute and global attribute, you could then have it eppar in both those auto generated pages
# [11:33] <@chrismills> appear*
# [11:33] <@chrismills> I believe Doug started working on this yesterday
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# [11:34] <@chrismills> Also, the auto generated listings are really butt-ugly
# [11:34] <dontcallmedom> ok, so I should abstain to do anything in that space for now then :)
# [11:34] * dontcallmedom had started to look at creating http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes, but http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:New_Page wouldn't let me do that cleanly I think
# [11:35] <@chrismills> So we were intending to create a system whereby you can specify what heading you want each to appear under, and the auto generate will create a nicely laid out page, with headings and bulleted lists
# [11:35] <@chrismills> for the global_attributes pages
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# [11:36] <@chrismills> I'd say just create it using a basic page, but put it under html/global_attributes
# [11:36] <@chrismills> dontcallmeDOM: and then perhaps for now just put a link to that cool W3C cheat sheet
# [11:36] <@chrismills> to say "this is what should be covered on this page"
# [11:37] <@chrismills> I wouldn't start to manually put them all on the page, as this might be a waste of time
# [11:38] <@chrismills> you could however start looking through the html attributes pages, and adding pages for any global attributes that aren't already there
# [11:38] <dontcallmedom> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/global_attributes created
# [11:39] <dontcallmedom> I've put a link to the more trustable list of global attributes
# [11:41] <dontcallmedom> hmm... the content of http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/ in general would be great to import in WebPlatform.org
# [11:41] <dontcallmedom> e.g. stuff in http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/a.html seems very relevant
# [11:41] <dontcallmedom> (and also makes up for a nice template of info for HTML elements)
# [11:42] <@chrismills> nice
# [11:42] <@chrismills> it would be nice, yes. We should probably look into that at some point
# [11:43] <dontcallmedom> right; that would also require specific approval from W3C since the content is not available under a CC-BY compatible license
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# [11:43] <@chrismills> ah. That might be a problem. We are trying to keep away from using stuff that doesn't fall under the right license
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# [11:44] <@chrismills> but I can't say for sure.
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# [11:46] <dontcallmedom> that being said, I think the markup spec is generated from RelaxNG schemas that are themselves available under an open source license
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# [11:47] <dontcallmedom> so we may be able to circumvent the issue altogether by importing directly from the RelaxNG schemas
# [11:47] <@chrismills> ah ha!
# [11:47] <@chrismills> good thought
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# [12:26] <tisch> hey there
# [12:26] <Ompaa> Hi
# [12:28] <arkhi> Hi tisch and Ompaa
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# [12:28] <Garbee> _WiZZarD, Where superchu asked earlier about building a website from scratch. We are going to have some tutorials that cover it, but not as detailed as converting a PSD to a template. That is getting too specific. (sorry if already answered like this, I'm just catching up in the logs.)
# [12:28] <tisch> where is chrismills going?
# [12:29] <arkhi> I hqve no idea, tisch.
# [12:29] <@_WiZZarD> thats roughly what I said
# [12:29] <@_WiZZarD> but then with 500 words less
# [12:29] <@_WiZZarD> ;)
# [12:30] <@_WiZZarD> roughly
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# [14:23] <SpyMaster356> hello
# [14:23] <Sandkorn> Hey!
# [14:24] <SpyMaster356> my teacher just showed WebPlatform in class. Look great
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# [14:28] <arkhi> That must be a good teacher. :)
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# [14:28] <Richard_Ainz__> I wonder in what context
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# [14:29] <arkhi> Hope for the best; prepare for the worst…
# [14:29] <richardainz|work> true
# [14:30] <@_WiZZarD> sweet :)
# [14:31] <sauloco> we are happy with that... but could be that the teacher said: "WebPlatform is a $%&%$&%", please, tell us more!
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# [14:41] <Unitron> Hello!
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# [14:41] <Unitron> Error 503 Service Unavailable Service Unavailable Guru Meditation: XID: 2474573199 Varnish cache server
# [14:42] <Unitron> and question
# [14:42] <Unitron> Who work with game constructors?
# [14:42] <Unitron> What game constructor work with WebGL?
# [14:43] <arkhi> Hello Unitron
# [14:43] <Unitron> hi
# [14:43] <arkhi> I’am afraid you’re on the wrong chan to discuss game related issues.
# [14:43] <Garbee> Unitron, Uh, where are you getting that error now?
# [14:44] <Unitron> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
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# [14:44] <Garbee> I'm not getting it.
# [14:44] <Unitron> now site work
# [14:45] <Unitron> but 4 min last
# [14:45] <Garbee> Odd. Yea, I will let the proper person know to look into it once they are back.
# [14:45] <Garbee> I see they are away atm.
# [14:45] <Unitron> ok
# [14:45] <Garbee> We had issues the past two nights around 9 with the backup system being the root cause iirc. This shouldn't be connected though since those took the whole site down.
# [14:46] <Unitron> add on channel more game developers please
# [14:46] <Garbee> Well, the whole doc section.
# [14:46] <Garbee> Unitron, That isn't what this channel is for.
# [14:46] <As4xk> Unitron: for your wuestion: Try #webgl
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# [14:46] <Garbee> And it isn't like we just "add" people. They need to decide to join in and contribute.
# [14:47] <Unitron> ok
# [14:47] <Garbee> Yea, #webgl and I would like to say ##javascript might have some people able to help answer questions since I think you would be using JS somewhere for an online game.
# [14:47] <Unitron> You have to lure them.
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# [14:47] <Unitron> they they come on channel
# [14:48] <Garbee> We aren't trapping people. That is rude and I also believe illegal.
# [14:48] <richardainz|work> hmm, most certainly so
# [14:48] <Unitron> oh no
# [14:49] <Unitron> its googlr translate...
# [14:49] <Garbee> There is nothing to lure for. We are here to talk and answer questions about webplatform.org and its cotents. Period.
# [14:49] <Sandkorn> btw. i just followed the mail discussion with one eye this morning. was there a conclusion on what this channel is about.. and what not?
# [14:49] <richardainz|work> Unitron, what is your native language?
# [14:49] <@varl> actually webplatform-site is for content discussion
# [14:49] <arkhi> Garbee: Google translator might have come with the “lure” thingy. :)
# [14:49] <Garbee> Sandkorn, Not quite yet, but It hink we are getting much closer.
# [14:49] <Unitron> You can say that you have a delicious cookies, and they will come.
# [14:49] <Garbee> varl, That is only a temp solution atm.
# [14:49] <Sandkorn> goodie :)
# [14:49] <Garbee> I think*
# [14:50] <richardainz|work> whats with googl transvestite machine
# [14:50] <richardainz|work> you lost me guys
# [14:50] <richardainz|work> ah well¨
# [14:50] <Garbee> ahaha
# [14:50] <@varl> Garbee: no idea. the topics are kind of contradictive as well.
# [14:50] <arkhi> varl: agreed
# [14:51] <arkhi> topic says “Support and conversation about webplatform.org”
# [14:51] <Garbee> Yea, we have an odd setup due to the debate over if we should allow these odd-ball questions or not.
# [14:51] <Garbee> Hopefully in a day or two we will have a consensus on what to do and we will get back to having one room.
# [14:52] <richardainz|work> odd setup my behind, it awkward to say the least, where you need clarity and consecuence, you introduce confusion
# [14:52] <arkhi> richardainz|work ?
# [14:52] <richardainz|work> but its better today, I guess
# [14:52] <@varl> I think we'd benefit from taking a "nice guy/gal" stance and not boot out oddballs.
# [14:52] <Garbee> Yea it is, because we don't have a clear consensus on what people want this room to really be for.
# [14:53] <richardainz|work> its a wip
# [14:53] <richardainz|work> as in work in progress
# [14:53] <Unitron> I think there have to answer all questions. The more questions, the more people. And better.
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# [14:53] <richardainz|work> you cant do that either
# [14:53] <richardainz|work> quality will suffer
# [14:53] <Garbee> varl, Yea, I see that, but I see it also just duplicating efforts (SE/SO) and adding on top of what we do which is writing good docs.
# [14:54] <Garbee> See Unitron that is where we disagree.
# [14:54] <Garbee> I hang out in ##twitter-bootstrap. In fact just the other day I had someone in there for a few days asking how to integrate some random 3rd party jQuery plugin into their site.
# [14:54] <Garbee> Just because they were using Bootstrap they thought we were supposed to help with whatever general issues they had.
# [14:55] <Garbee> I don't want to see this become the same type of thing. If it can improve the docs, sure lets do our best to answer the question and try to improve as a result. But oddball stuff, lets get people to more proper places for support.
# [14:55] <Unitron> Gabree, channel for WEB DEVELOPERS! YES?
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# [14:56] <@varl> Garbee: duplicating efforts, how? We shouldn't forget that IRC is for chat, the documentation doesn't happen here. Here, it's mainly relayed to people that cannot find it themselves.
# [14:56] <arkhi> Unitron: not necessarily; for people who want to help build webplatform.org
# [14:57] <Unitron> If there will be a lot of people, there will always be. those who mougut answer. Must tolerate the users, we can not dismiss them and kick.
# [14:57] <Garbee> varl, Duplicating efforts by providing support in *yet another* area.
# [14:57] <Munter> #web is probably the best channel for web developers. But they will also send you to other channels if there is one specific to the topic of your question
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# [14:58] <Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic --This is actually a pretty good overview of how I think things should be. With a change proposed and more people looking over it and agreeing upon it. Although I don't like the idea of separating what IRC and Q&A do, so that needs to be looked over.
# [14:59] <Garbee> Also what is there is Chris's work.
# [14:59] <Unitron> You can help people and give them a link, but do not chase people away, do not kick, do not ban.
# [14:59] <@varl> Garbee: I'm not following exactly what problem it is you are trying to highlight.
# [14:59] <Garbee> Unitron, We don't kick and ban unless someone is being an issue.
# [15:00] <Garbee> We would help the oddball question askers by sending them to proper places for support. Not by sitting here and trying to figure it out ourselves adding more noise to the channel(s).
# [15:01] <Unitron> In any case, the more questions, the more answers, and the more people.
# [15:02] <eternicode> The more people asking general help questions, simply because we allow it, the more noise, and the lower the SNR.
# [15:02] <Garbee> varl, Looks like someone has hidden or deleted a perfect example question in Q&A.
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# [15:02] <Unitron> SNR?
# [15:03] <Garbee> Signal to Noise Ratio
# [15:03] <eternicode> ^
# [15:03] <Garbee> In other words it adds more to distract us from the main point of the channel, and also I learn that tends to add confusion to everything.
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# [15:03] <Unitron> You do not understand anything in SEO.
# [15:03] <Garbee> ?
# [15:03] <@varl> Garbee: this is by definition offtopic then. We should stop. :)
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# [15:04] <Garbee> Unitron, Forget SEO.
# [15:04] <Unitron> On the site in the future will be a lot of different articles on very different issues.
# [15:04] <Garbee> varl, For now it is completely on-topic since we are still deciding what to do. Plus it is a function of webplatform.org, so it could still fall under the topic.
# [15:05] <eternicode> varl, it's meta discussion about the site, very on-topic ;)
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# [15:05] <Garbee> Unitron, Not issues. We don't doc everything that we see broken and how to fix it.
# [15:05] <Garbee> We document the platform.
# [15:05] <Garbee> Perhaps common pitfalls.
# [15:05] <Garbee> But not in the way I think you're thinking.
# [15:05] <Garbee> SE/SO is for that type of stuff.
# [15:06] <Unitron> We must not forget, need a good reputation, good reviews of the site. In order to attract new users.
# [15:07] <Unitron> its gtranslate what u mean?
# [15:08] <Garbee> Unitron, We get a good repuation by being built by some very reputable and trusted developers. On top of that being developer driven in documentation.
# [15:08] <Unitron> Chat is needed, in addition to search.
# [15:08] <@varl> Garbee, eternicode: everything can be argued.
# [15:08] <Unitron> Community support.
# [15:09] <Garbee> Unitron, Exactly, we are developer documentation.
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# [15:09] <Unitron> as addition to search.
# [15:09] <eternicode> Unitron, general support ("I can't get X to work, here's my code") already has a community in StackOverflow and the SE network of sites. We're noot trying to split that. WPD's goal is to *document* frontend tech, not be a helpdesk for it.
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# [15:09] <Garbee> varl, I have thought about this so many ways it is insane. I still think it is best to not have General Support which is why I'm bringing it up.
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# [15:10] <@varl> Garbee: I don't disagree with the mentality
# [15:11] <Garbee> I just see it in TWBS and I don't want that type of stuff occuring over here too.
# [15:11] <Garbee> Just because we are documenting things doesn't mean we should support every little thing that has to do with building a site.
# [15:11] <Unitron> eter why not be? will be just not official maybe
# [15:11] <Garbee> Unitron, Even if unnofficial it adds noise.
# [15:12] <Garbee> The point it is to reduce noise by getting the people to proper support areas.
# [15:12] <eternicode> Unitron, it adds noise to the site, lowering the SNR ;)
# [15:12] <eternicode> besides that, they're likely to get much higher quality help on SO.
# [15:12] <ravenzz> infact we should redirect people to the language channel if there is one
# [15:12] <Garbee> ravenzz, That among other things.
# [15:13] <@varl> the #web mentality is fine for now, be helpful and respectful, and offer redirects to whatever #channel that is proper
# [15:13] <ravenzz> otherwise this will be the #web2
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# [15:13] <Garbee> I'm all for being helpful and getting people to the proper place. But doing it ourselves is just an insane task adding so much noise.
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# [15:13] <Unitron> Do not use acronyms please, I just do not understand
# [15:13] <Garbee> ricklamersdriel, Are you getting errors too?
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# [15:14] <Garbee> Unitron, What acronym are you having issues with?
# [15:14] <Garbee> Or acronyms?
# [15:14] <ricklamersdriel> Uhm, not really errors.
# [15:14] <eternicode> Unitron, SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio, as mentioned before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio
# [15:14] <ricklamersdriel> Its working on localhost, but not on external IP.
# [15:14] <ricklamersdriel> I have it configured using MAMP on OS X Lion
# [15:14] <@varl> ricklamersdriel: are you getting varnish errors on webplatform.org?
# [15:14] <eternicode> ricklamersdriel, #varnish is probably going to be more helpful.
# [15:15] <@varl> ricklamersdriel: if not, this is the wrong place.
# [15:15] <ricklamersdriel> Ah okay ill check thet eternicode. Thanks anyway.
# [15:15] <Garbee> Does FreeNode have a chatroom for everything?
# [15:15] <eternicode> seems like it :)
# [15:15] <Garbee> That is just insane.
# [15:15] <ravenzz> #defocus
# [15:15] <ravenzz> :f
# [15:15] <ravenzz> or #web
# [15:15] <ricklamersdriel> No errors on webplatform.org. Moving chatroom.
# [15:15] <Garbee> We have been having some Varnish issues with the site. :/
# [15:16] <Garbee> They are getting worked on though.
# [15:16] <@varl> there's like 40k chatrooms on freenode, mostly for "open projects". the coverage is pretty crazy
# [15:16] <eternicode> I usually just guess the topic's chatroom, do a "/topic #channel", and if a topic comes back that seems sensible, mention it.
# [15:16] <Garbee> Yea. Maybe there is one for helping with SSO...
# [15:16] <miChou> #starcraft
# [15:16] <Unitron> I can not understand what kind of support you would like to have here?
# [15:16] <Garbee> What does Starcraft have to do with anything?
# [15:16] <miChou> my bad, wrong win
# [15:17] * miChou goes to a corner in shame
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# [15:17] <Garbee> Unitron, We have support for webplatform.org documentation. We also organize contributions and other tasks for the site.
# [15:17] <eternicode> Unitron, meta support. Relating to the site and its contents. For example, if someone has a question about a wiki article's content, they can discuss it here before deciding to edit it.
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# [15:17] <Garbee> If you see something on the site and don't understand or need more info, then bring it up. We can try to help which also helps us improve documentation later on.
# [15:17] <Unitron> There are so many different topics and themes will be.
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# [15:18] <Unitron> :(
# [15:19] <Garbee> We could end up deciding to do general support. But at that point I could also say there would be a handful of us that pretty much just focus our efforts into -site.
# [15:20] <Garbee> But from the look of things it is going the other way. But at this moment, who really knows.
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# [15:21] <Unitron> I'm a beginner web developer. I must to find another resource (site) for learning? And in the future, if I'll study content of your website and I'll have any questions, then I can ask them here?
# [15:21] <Garbee> Hopefully when we get some things ironed out even begginners can find the site super-helpful.
# [15:21] <Garbee> Right now though, it is *very* early and things need to get cleaned up.
# [15:22] <Unitron> ok :(
# [15:22] <Unitron> thx then
# [15:22] <Garbee> I'm sorry, but right now that is just the truth of it.
# [15:22] <Unitron> and bb
# [15:23] <@Grephix> that's what she said Garbee
# [15:23] <Garbee> Grephix, So not the time or place...
# [15:24] <@Grephix> True, cudn't help it though. Probably's got something to do with it being friday.
# [15:24] <@Grephix> Sorry, will head back into the devcave.
# [15:24] <ravenzz> Unitron you can start from here http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page
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# [15:24] <Garbee> Unitron, Here is a nice resource to learn from as well: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/wiki/library Great articles listed.
# [15:25] <Garbee> aw, missed him.
# [15:26] <@Grephix> Hmm wow, nice reference Garbee
# [15:26] <Garbee> H5BP = epic project.
# [15:26] <@Grephix> I know quite some people here that might find that very interesting
# [15:26] <Garbee> I miss the on-site docs they had though.
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# [15:29] <arkhi> There I go…
# [15:29] <arkhi> Good night all!
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# [15:33] <shaundunne_> msg nickserve identify isabelleconnor
# [15:33] <eternicode> :x
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# [15:38] <kranius> arnold is mad
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# [15:41] <eternicode> Schwartz.
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# [16:00] <NotTomato> Hello!
# [16:01] <rusfel> Hi
# [16:02] <@Grephix> Hi NotTomato :)
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# [16:32] <NotTomato> Hi sonotos.
# [16:33] <robertpitt_> Hey Guys
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# [16:33] <NotTomato> Hi robertpitt_!
# [16:33] <robertpitt_> Hows it going
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# [16:34] <sonotos> hi NotTomato
# [16:35] <NotTomato> Oh you know robertpitt_, watching someone post virtually the same question two times in a row on the Q&A.
# [16:35] <NotTomato> So I guess confused, how are you?
# [16:35] <sonotos> so business as usual
# [16:35] <NotTomato> Yeah, lol.
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# [16:43] <dontcallmedom> hmm... when hitting "Edit" on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics I get page full of empty forms
# [16:43] <dontcallmedom> (whereas "edit source" seems to do the right thing)
# [16:43] <dontcallmedom> not sure how to fix that
# [16:45] <tisch> hi there
# [16:45] <Garbee> I think we just need one edit button. Having 2 honestly confuses me.
# [16:47] <NotTomato> Edit source lets you got to the mediawiki code.
# [16:47] <NotTomato> It would be best not to remove it.
# [16:47] <NotTomato> I need it to edit templates.
# [16:48] <dontcallmedom> it also helps when the regular "edit" button doesn't work (as in my report above)
# [16:48] <NotTomato> dontcallmedom, I've run into those problems too.
# [16:48] <NotTomato> But I have found if I add the default templates, the edit form will show up.
# [16:48] <NotTomato> Sometimes.
# [16:49] <NotTomato> So maybe there's a template missing from the page.
# [16:49] <NotTomato> Wait hold on
# [16:50] <NotTomato> Hmm.
# [16:50] <NotTomato> Edit forms is working fine for me on that page but the problem is most of the templates are blank.
# [16:50] <NotTomato> No one put anything in them.
# [16:50] <NotTomato> by anything I mean no variables were set for most of them. o;
# [16:50] <dontcallmedom> right
# [16:50] <dontcallmedom> but where is then the (real) content of the page?
# [16:51] <dontcallmedom> and how would you edit it?
# [16:51] <NotTomato> Which part are you trying to edit?
# [16:51] <dontcallmedom> (note that the first forms are no longer blank because I managed to fix the syntax error that were preventing them to be correctly filled)
# [16:51] <NotTomato> Ah okay you fixed it, no wonder, hahaha.
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# [16:52] <dontcallmedom> re what part, I still can't edit any of the actual text of the page through the edit button
# [16:52] <dontcallmedom> the edit forms don't have a "Main Content" block as other pages do, so that's probably related
# [16:53] <dontcallmedom> (there is just " Content" one, not styled like the others, and empty)
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# [16:54] <dontcallmedom> the content isn't part of a {{}} section in the source, that probably explains it
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# [16:55] <NotTomato> Yeah, I was about to go look up which part of the template it's suppose to be in and tell you but you got it, by the way, there is about 500 pages set up this way.
# [16:55] <NotTomato> I'm still trying to figure out how to fix them all, you'll find a lot of pages like this in svg though.
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# [16:56] <dontcallmedom> is there a way to set up a wikibot to fix these in batch?
# [16:56] <NotTomato> Yeah, pywikipediabot could probably do it.
# [16:57] <dontcallmedom> hmm... I have added a {{Guide}} template, but not the "edit" button tells me "Warning: More than one default form is defined for this page."
# [16:57] <NotTomato> but the problem is the batch is kind of thrown all over the place and not in one category, so it's hard to get the bot to find them.
# [16:57] <NotTomato> I was editing the page earlier, maybe we were editing at the same time, just skip the warning.
# [16:57] <dontcallmedom> ok
# [16:57] <NotTomato> I didn't add anything too valuable
# [16:58] <@tobie> Updated the bot. You can now easily remind someone of the channel's topic:
# [16:59] <NotTomato> Thanks tobie~
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# [16:59] <mstalfoort> !help
# [16:59] <wpdbot> mstalfoort: Here's a list of all the commands I support: apple, beginner, blog, bugfiling, bugs, contribute, docs, faq, forum, goto, help, ontopic, pr, tutorials, and wpd. You can message me privately to see what each one does.
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# [16:59] <@tobie> NotTomato: !ontopic
# [16:59] <wpdbot> NotTomato: #webplatform is for conversation and questions about the webplatform.org site and its contents. See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic for more details on what's appropriate to discuss here.
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# [16:59] <NotTomato> Yes bot, sorry bot.
# [16:59] <Sandkorn> tobie: !apple
# [16:59] <mstalfoort> \o/
# [16:59] <wpdbot> tobie: Apple chose explicitly to not have its logo in the footer.
# [16:59] <@tobie> And direct him/her to a more adequate channel, eg.:
# [17:00] <@tobie> mstalfoort: !goto #jquery ##javascript
# [17:00] <wpdbot> mstalfoort: #webplatform is for conversation and questions about the webplatform.org site, not for general support. Your question would be best answered in #jquery or ##javascript.
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# [17:00] <mdel> very nice
# [17:00] <_Rainulf> haha Awesome
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# [17:01] <@tobie> As usual, pull requests are welcomed.
# [17:01] <@tobie> _Rainulf: !pr
# [17:01] <wpdbot> _Rainulf: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
# [17:01] <_Rainulf> wpdbot: thank you
# [17:02] <Garbee> I think having the command actually called goto might be a little rude to some...
# [17:02] <@tobie> Garbee: !pr
# [17:02] <wpdbot> Garbee: My source code is hosted on GitHub: https://github.com/tobie/wpdbot. Please fork me and send a pull request with your requested changes.
# [17:02] <@tobie> ;)
# [17:02] <mdel> meh, i think its fine
# [17:02] <mstalfoort> bot is on a roll
# [17:02] <@tobie> Garbee: it was supposed to be a funny reference.
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# [17:16] <dontcallmedom> so http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics is a dup of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/programming_basics (and is flagged as such)
# [17:16] <dontcallmedom> but I'm not sure which of the two locations is the most appropriate
# [17:16] <robertpitt_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPdhx5zTaw
# [17:17] <dontcallmedom> the fact that http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts says that it "lists guide and tutorial articles" doesn't help me making the stinction between a page in concepts and a page in tutorials
# [17:17] <NotTomato> hmmm
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# [17:17] <NotTomato> probably /concepts/programming/programming_basics just because the link is formatted to be searched easily
# [17:17] <NotTomato> but if it seems like more of a tutorial for you
# [17:18] <NotTomato> just pick one and I'll delete the duplicate or make it into a redirect to the other
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# [17:18] <dontcallmedom> hmm... I guess tutorials being about "hands-on lessons about implementing web technology", concept is probably a better fit
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# [17:18] <dontcallmedom> I'll make the redirect
# [17:18] <NotTomato> Oh okay thanks!
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# [17:21] <dontcallmedom> NotTomato, I guess I don't have the privileges needed for deleting/redirecting
# [17:21] <dontcallmedom> so I'll take up your offer then :)
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# [17:22] <NotTomato> You can edit the page and make it into a redirect, just can't delete it.
# [17:23] <NotTomato> #REDIRECT [[concepts/programming/programming_basics]]
# [17:23] <NotTomato> just paste it on the page Dom. o;
# [17:24] <NotTomato> You can do it I believe in you~
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# [17:24] <NotTomato> dontcallmedom
# [17:25] <dontcallmedom> oh, thx
# [17:25] <dontcallmedom> my wiki fu wasn't up to the task :)
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# [17:26] <dontcallmedom> done
# [17:26] <NotTomato> Awesome.
# [17:26] <NotTomato> Strangely, I'm still seeing the page, I wonder if it's my cache.
# [17:27] <NotTomato> Oh it was a space, it's working now.
# [17:27] <_Rainulf> It looks fine to me :)
# [17:27] <dontcallmedom> rah, a space!
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# [17:30] <NotTomato> Thanks for all the help dontcallmedom
# [17:31] <NotTomato> I'm glad someone else noticed how messy the pages are, I thought I was alone in my conquest to organize.
# [17:31] <dontcallmedom> :)
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# [17:42] <dontcallmedom> hmm... 468 orphaned pages... talk about structuring existing stuff! http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:LonelyPages
# [17:43] <dontcallmedom> I guess lots of them are stub
# [17:43] <tisch> the q&a isnt for questions like: how to fix my really nice websocket 3d game. Or am I wrong?
# [17:43] <NotTomato> A lot are probably duplicates too.
# [17:44] <NotTomato> tisch, I've been so confused by the new rules that I'm not really sure myself, I was hoping to see something written out before I made any harsh moderation judgements.
# [17:44] <NotTomato> But probably not.
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# [17:44] <NotTomato> Making a game isn't related to web development.
# [17:44] <NotTomato> You can reject it or hide it if you want.
# [17:45] <tisch> that was an example I mean _every_ type of personal programming Qs
# [17:46] <NotTomato> I think personal programming questions are allowed to be put up? And the IRC is for meta site discussion? I'm not really sure, but you can just approve it for now and once the rules are in place, we can clean out whatever we need to on Q&A.
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# [17:47] <NotTomato> tisch, are you on the mailing list?
# [17:48] <NotTomato> You must be if you're a mod, I don't know why I'm asking.
# [17:48] <NotTomato> but they have been talking about Q&A policy there.
# [17:48] <tisch> nope coulnd not yet find the way to there :)
# [17:48] <NotTomato> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
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# [17:48] <tisch> how do I reject a question. It seems that I dont have any addional right on my account
# [17:50] <moka> Hello there, just registered on WebPlatform, and already tried to edit some stuff regarding html5 canvas, JS documentation. On page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/methods/lineTo summary there has no new lines, but on this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/objects/CanvasRenderingContext2D where is table of methods, summary is used and there is new lines. As well its not recached well, after first edit, any othe
# [17:50] <moka> or without were not recaching table details on this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/objects/CanvasRenderingContext2D
# [17:51] <eternicode> NotTomato, these are the only written/public/official guidelines I'm aware of: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic . The Q&A section says everything good for IRC is good for Q&A, and "it may also be appropriate to answer some questions on technology specifics", which become a judgement call for the moderators.
# [17:51] <moka> As well preview does not escape html and javascript the same way as actual live view which leads to compiled example code (executes is within page), it actually might lead to some issues in future that javascript easily can be edited and injected, then when someone will preview page it will execute it, that can lead to some data steal or similar.
# [17:52] <moka> I know it is in Alpha state, but couldn't find any bugtracker or so..
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# [17:52] <bbdarkclown> hi
# [17:53] <tisch> moka: if you like you can file a bug here: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/
# [17:53] <_Rainulf> moka: Don't forget to check this out: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
# [17:53] <eternicode> moka, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
# [17:53] <eternicode> derp
# [17:53] <_Rainulf> =D
# [17:54] <tisch> NotTomato: couldnt you delete my damn stupid answer? :)
# [17:54] <eternicode> moka, also, I don't know if there's a bug for it, but preview-mode being overzealous is a known bug.
# [17:54] <moka> Thanks guys.
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# [17:55] <NotTomato> Done tisch.
# [17:55] <tisch> NotTomato: thanks
# [17:56] <_Rainulf> moka: Thank you too, for contributing :)
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# [17:58] <moka> As well freenode IRC server has web client: http://webchat.freenode.net/ which I am using right now. And it would be cool to add this link somewhere in Chat section, unless high traffic to this channel is not meant (like to filter off the ones who does not work hard to actually get here, which is not hard, but there is lots of different brain capabilities around the globe..) :)
# [18:01] <dontcallmedom> hmm... I have fixed http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/location/host to refer to apis/location (instead of api/location), but it still doesn't show up in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/location
# [18:01] <dontcallmedom> is there some form of caching for auto-generated pages that would explain this?
# [18:01] <dontcallmedom> (mediawiki still see apis/location/host as an orphaned page)
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# [18:04] <mdel> dontcallmedom: you just have to hit the "refresh" link
# [18:04] <mdel> i just did this, and now it shows up
# [18:05] <mdel> refresh is under that blue dropdown
# [18:05] <dontcallmedom> oh, I would never have known, thanks!
# [18:05] <mdel> np :) good work too
# [18:05] <NotTomato> Hitting ctrl+F5 and hard refreshing can get past it sometimes too dontcallmedom, if that's easier for you to do, I usually do that.
# [18:06] <dontcallmedom> I tried hard-refresh, but to no avail
# [18:06] <NotTomato> Oh wow really.
# [18:06] <_Rainulf> moka: The freenode's web client was taken down due to spam issues and related - though I could be wrong, correct me anyone if I'm wrong
# [18:06] <NotTomato> Well darn.
# [18:06] <Garbee> Wow... we need a print style.
# [18:06] <eternicode> _Rainulf, I think that's right, but there are plans to re-up it. I think.
# [18:07] <dontcallmedom> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Detecting_device_and_browser is directly on the root, where as I suspect it should rather be in concepts
# [18:07] <dontcallmedom> so unless someone knows a good reason, I'll move it there
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# [18:08] <NotTomato> dontcallmedon, go ahead and move it, just another lost page sadly.
# [18:08] <NotTomato> You'll see a lot of them. ):
# [18:08] <NotTomato> Thanks for the help, a duplicate of that page might be around though.
# [18:09] <NotTomato> I'll try looking for it, usually when pages show up in the root like that, it means someone made a duplicate somewhere and put in the correct place
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# [18:09] <NotTomato> I think these pages were left behind when they created the wiki, then weren't sure how to organize? and left a bunch of pages in the root.
# [18:10] <dontcallmedom> NotTomato, I had already found the dup, actually
# [18:10] <dontcallmedom> and so I set up the redirect
# [18:10] <NotTomato> Oh nice!
# [18:10] <dontcallmedom> (dup was http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Implementing_mobile_browser_feature_detection&redirect=no )
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# [18:11] <moka> As well I think is quiet major issue, that by registering, nickname does replace first letter to capital, my nickname for example instaad of "moka" became "Moka" which really unapropriate for open and free community to edit the way text is shown, as it is very personal bit of information. Is there is any data regarding this?
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# [18:12] <mdel> moka: im with you on that - I dont like my nick showing as Mdel ;)
# [18:12] <NotTomato> moka it's actually a feature of MediaWiki doing that, they can probably disable it.
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# [18:13] <moka> NotTomato: that would be great, as this "feature" is doesn't really suits the website as lots of people will sign up with their nicknames rather than full names
# [18:14] <NotTomato> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinks there's a big warning not to mess with it because it might break your pages though
# [18:15] <NotTomato> When you register with mediawiki, your account becomes a link as well, it's part of the user space, so Mediawiki forces the first letter to be capitalized so that the links work correctly, I think messing with this setting would fix it, but also might break a bunch of pages.
# [18:15] <NotTomato> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgCapitalLinkOverrides
# [18:20] <dontcallmedom> argh, someone copied text from a W3C spec directly into a WP article http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/selectors/pseudo-elements
# [18:21] <NotTomato> D:
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# [18:41] <fr0zenice> greetings
# [18:41] <fr0zenice> weekend \o/
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# [18:42] <NotTomato> Hi fr0zenice!
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# [18:43] <Arkkis> I'm getting a login error on the "Create account" page of the forums. Any suggestions?
# [18:43] <eliot> fr0zenice: start the weekend for me. I'm just beginning the workday on the US west coast. :-(
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# [18:43] <Arkkis> (I have not yet created my account, and apparently can not atm?)
# [18:43] <NotTomato> Arkkis, try registering on the Docs instead, the accounts rely on the MediaWiki software.
# [18:43] <fr0zenice> I'll drink a beer for you eliot :P
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# [18:44] <fr0zenice> Arkkis: try that link http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup
# [18:44] <eliot> fr0zenice: Thanks! I feel better already
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# [18:45] <Arkkis> okay, thanks, got it working now
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# [18:50] <Arkkis> apparently gmail is putting mediawiki confirmation mails to spam folder :(
# [18:50] <Arkkis> might be a good idea to warn about that
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# [18:54] <Garbee> It isn't mediawiki, it is webplatform.org.
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# [18:56] <Arkkis> okay, then let me rephrase: the confirmation email had to be fished from the spam folder in gmail, might be a good thing to warn people about that. ;)
# [18:57] <_Rainulf> Thanks Arkkis, I reported it. You might wanna unmark it as spam too.
# [18:57] <Arkkis> I did
# [18:57] <_Rainulf> Awesome
# [18:57] <Arkkis> :)
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# [18:58] <Garbee> Well, anything can go to spam.
# [18:59] <Garbee> Does it really need to be warned about at this point?
# [18:59] <dontcallmedom> if it's a widespread issue, it might help a number of interested contributors, yes
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# [19:04] <Arkkis> yep, as you may have noticed, it was no problem for me, but nonetheless, I just felt that it's good to pass this info as there might be someone who does not notice.
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# [19:20] <Rchristiani> Hey, has anyone here ever worked with sitefinity at all?
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# [19:20] <rusfel> unfortunatly
# [19:20] <rusfel> =D
# [19:20] <Rchristiani> ohh
# [19:20] <Rchristiani> I feel that same
# [19:20] <rusfel> was a few years ago
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# [19:20] <rusfel> still bad eh?
# [19:20] <rusfel> lol
# [19:20] <Rchristiani> ever worked with the labels and stuff?
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# [19:21] <Arkkis> Rchristiani, i have worked with sitefinity
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# [19:21] <Garbee> Sitefinity is a bit off-topic.
# [19:21] <rusfel> its been a long time.
# [19:21] <Arkkis> yep, a bit off topic
# [19:22] <Rchristiani> off-topic I go than, or do you mind if pm you Arkkis?
# [19:22] <Arkkis> You can pm me, but I have not worked with labels either :)
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# [19:22] <Garbee> You might want to try there devnet to get some help: http://www.sitefinity.com/devnet
# [19:22] <fr0zenice> there's also #webplatform-offtopic btw :)
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# [19:22] <Garbee> their*
# [19:22] <Rchristiani> Yeah I have tried the devnet not to much help
# [19:23] <Rchristiani> ok ok
# [19:23] <Rchristiani> as you were, thanks!
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# [19:24] <_cheney> could also try #asp.net channel
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# [19:24] <Rchristiani> ahh good call _cheney!
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# [19:30] <wax_eagle> Out of curiousity, who makes the actual decisions around here? (what say do the partners have? is there some kind of board that oversees this operation?)
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# [19:31] <Garbee> The partners have no real say in content. They support the site through donating information, monetarily, or manpower. As far as decisions, I think you would need to be a bit more specific on which ones.
# [19:32] <Garbee> Perhaps the stewards have a few other things they do, but those are the big three.
# [19:32] <_cheney> i would say the stewards http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/
# [19:32] <wax_eagle> I'm talking big decisions, direction, launch, choosing all open source etc
# [19:33] <Garbee> That is all up to the people who created it.
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# [19:33] <Garbee> The direction was chosen when the idea was thought of, bring all documentation for web standards into one place.
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# [19:33] <Garbee> Chosing OS tech was the choice they made when building the initial system.
# [19:33] <wax_eagle> ok, I'm behind that, that's a great goal
# [19:34] <Garbee> Launch was... Well, don't ask me who decided on that one because I personally think it was a bit premature.
# [19:34] <wax_eagle> that's painfully obvious
# [19:34] <Garbee> Big Decisions now are basically everyone, but from one thing that has come up it seems like it is more falling over to Mailing List subscribers talking about things to decide.
# [19:34] <wax_eagle> you realize that if this thing blows up your Q&A site is going to bea nightmare right?
# [19:34] <Garbee> No it won't.
# [19:35] <Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic --We are working on ironing this out.
# [19:35] <_cheney> there's a team of volunteer mods making sure things go smoothly
# [19:35] <Garbee> That way everyone will know what we do and the best questions to ask. And then if someone asks about something we don't support we try to point them in the right direction to get help.
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# [19:37] <wax_eagle> you remember that people don't read, right?
# [19:37] <As4xk> but they learn ;)
# [19:37] <Garbee> wax_eagle, That is why Admins handle the situation appropriately.
# [19:37] <NotTomato> wax_eagle, hey, I read, I swear!!
# [19:37] <wax_eagle> @Garbee relying on admins alone doesn't scale
# [19:38] <wax_eagle> you've got a product with a potential userbase in the millions, what happens when they all start showing up?
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# [19:38] <Garbee> wax_eagle, True, but also trying to enforce proper questions won't ever work. So it needs to have some kind of peer-pressure on top.
# [19:38] <NotTomato> What happens is by that time, I'm sure the filter will work better.
# [19:38] <NotTomato> And the software will also work a lot better as well.
# [19:39] <As4xk> The number of moderators will grow as userbase grows. maybe not as fast, but users will allso guide users when the userbade get that big :)
# [19:39] <NotTomato> I just think maybe we're talking about something that is far in the future though, we should deal with the issues immediately at hand.. like sessions being lost, people not able to log in, etc.
# [19:39] <As4xk> userbase*
# [19:39] <wax_eagle> @NotTomato implementing openid?
# [19:39] <Garbee> In time people will eventually learn what type of questions are appropriate though. We simply can't be "yet another place" for support.
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# [19:40] <NotTomato> khayes..
# [19:40] <khayes> NotTomato...
# [19:40] <NotTomato> I feel like I know you..
# [19:40] <NotTomato> Do you work for Curse?
# [19:40] <khayes> Oh?
# [19:40] <khayes> I don't
# [19:41] <khayes> Disney Animation
# [19:41] <wax_eagle> @Garbee have you ever visited SO? people don't learn, at least not at the rate you need them to
# [19:41] <NotTomato> Oh okay, that makes a lot of sense then.
# [19:41] <askhader> khayes: Do you know gregson?
# [19:42] <khayes> askhader: gregson….fraid not. Just did a look up, I don't see anyone here by that name
# [19:42] <Garbee> I'm sorry, but I just can't have this conversation.
# [19:42] <khayes> NotTomato: oh yeah why's that
# [19:42] <askhader> khayes: That would be the last name
# [19:42] <khayes> askhader: yeah, I figured ;-)
# [19:42] <NotTomato> I had a friend in Florida with the same name as you, so I assumed the "disney" aspect of your name meant you were in Florida, not that you actually worked for them.
# [19:42] <khayes> askhader: what does he/she do?
# [19:42] <askhader> khayes: In actuality, the company that employs him was recently acquired by Disney Animation, so perhaps he wouldn't return in such a search.
# [19:43] <khayes> NotTomato: ah, gotcha, yeah I'm in Burbank, CA
# [19:43] <askhader> real time data compression and storage something something
# [19:43] <khayes> askhader: that sounds intriguing, I would like to hear more about it
# [19:43] <khayes> Do you know the name of the co?
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# [19:45] <Garbee> askhader, khayes, and NotTomato, Perhaps take that over to #webplatform-offtopic?
# [19:45] <As4xk> wax_eagle: Can i ask what you end point is? :)
# [19:45] <NotTomato> Fine I will Garbee!
# [19:46] <Garbee> Thank you!
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# [19:48] <NotTomato> Hi Ryan_Lane.
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# [19:49] <tomshreds> Hey guys, I'm starting to get crazy with my slow as hell project/issue tracking. I'd need time management, invoice mangement, issue management, sub-tasks are useful, etc. Any good one to suggest? I used JIRA a lot in the past but it's too "full fledged" for a freelancer like me.
# [19:50] <tomshreds> I used basecamp, teambox, redmine, github issues, mantis, flow, and so much other in the past. I'm completely spoiled it seems like everybody does a shitty job at project management nowadays.
# [19:51] <wax_eagle> @As4xk trying to put it nicely, but you've got the biggest names in tech behind you and it doesn't look like it.
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# [19:53] <@Ryan_Lane> NotTomato: howdy
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# [19:53] <Garbee> wax_eagle, It is very early stuff still.
# [19:53] <Garbee> They put it out so the community can get documenting.
# [19:54] <Garbee> Yes, there are issues with the system and they are being worked on. There is a *reason* it is called an "alpha".
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# [19:54] <As4xk> wax_eagle: Letting the community have control is a choice they made intentionally i would guess :)
# [19:55] <Garbee> Also, We aren't trying to push you away when we ask you to file a bug report. We are trying to get everything organized and if we filed a bug for everything we see then we would spend half our time just filing bugs for people, not getting other things that we need to done.
# [19:55] <Garbee> It is a slight inconvenience to ask you to file your own bug yes, but sadly it is something that we just don't have all the time for.
# [19:56] <wax_eagle> Garbee: That's what your doing. There is a seperate logon on the bug site. It's bad enough to have to create Yet another login for the Q&A/Wiki. Why are you guys asking for yet another login when there are good open login options? (OpenId?)
# [19:56] <Garbee> Does OpenID tie into MediaWiki?
# [19:57] <@paul_irish> wax_eagle: there is an effort to get SSO going and its in progress but we didnt want to block launch on it
# [19:58] <@paul_irish> plus your basic openid implementation across all these sites would be way less usable than having these annoying multiple accounts
# [19:58] <@paul_irish> so. it's improving iteratively.
# [19:58] <_cheney> webplatform is in alpha and I'm sure ux improvements are in the pipe
# [19:59] <@paul_irish> yeaup
# [19:59] <Garbee> paul_irish, Although a good point is raised. We should look into eventually adding our own bug-tracker.
# [20:00] <Garbee> Not near a priority right now though.
# [20:00] <Garbee> Speaking of priorities... Ryan_Lane have you figured out what you are going to do about the backup system yet? iirc that was causing the crashes the last few nights.
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# [20:01] <@paul_irish> Garbee: adding our own bug tracker? beyond the tickets at w3 bugzilla?
# [20:02] <wax_eagle> Garbee: you could just use the Q&A site and tags
# [20:02] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: only one backup was causing the issue
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# [20:02] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: the XML dump of the wiki
# [20:02] <@Ryan_Lane> we still have database dumps
# [20:02] <Garbee> wax_eagle, The Q2A system would need to get expanded functionality to be a good bug tracker.
# [20:02] <@Ryan_Lane> for the XML ones, I'm either going to fix the maintenance script to not lock, or will switch to using what wikimedia foundation uses
# [20:02] <Garbee> paul_irish, Yea. That way everything for webplatform.org would be handled at webplatform.org.
# [20:03] <Garbee> Outside of the mailing list.
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# [20:03] <@paul_irish> so our own instance of bugzilla that we can get maintain, keep it fast, keep it up, add features? :)
# [20:03] <wax_eagle> Garbee: yes. That *would* be the idea.
# [20:03] <Garbee> paul_irish, And make look all sexy!
# [20:03] <Garbee> Considering w3 is a Steward though I don't see any reason to move the mailing list from them. Those that want that will get it no matter what.
# [20:04] * Garbee would love to give theming bugzilla or some other bug tracker a go.
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# [20:05] <Garbee> Bugzilla (at least on w3) looks like junk and is not very navigable. Well, it is once you learn it.
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# [20:05] <_cheney> it's a pretty popular bug tracking system
# [20:05] <Garbee> Popular does not mean easy or good looking.
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# [20:07] <eternicode> Garbee, do we have a separate FAQ page for the Q&A site? In the wiki, perhaps?
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# [20:07] <wax_eagle> eternicode: if it exists it really needs to get linked from the Q&A page
# [20:08] <Garbee> eternicode, Not that I know of. FAQ for what purpose though?
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# [20:09] <Garbee> I know we have the keeping things on-topic page that we are currently debating on. Once that is finished we need to get the Q&A buckled down.
# [20:09] <eternicode> for Q&A-specific questions. For example "why is my username unppercased?", etc. That particular question has a +41 score.
# [20:09] <wax_eagle> Garbee: topicality of questions, how the points sytem works, how moderation works, when/how to flag, when/how to vote, how privileges work (whenever they get added) etc
# [20:09] <Garbee> eternicode, Make one.
# [20:09] <wax_eagle> What is up with the casing of the usernames? that's a seriously arbitrary distinction
# [20:10] <eternicode> would also be a good place for "what goes here" type explanations.
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# [20:10] <_cheney> that's hilarious to me, no one is familiar with mediawiki or wikipedia?
# [20:10] <eternicode> _cheney, I'm not :(
# [20:10] <Garbee> Yea, lets make a FAQ in the wiki somewhere for the Q&A, perhaps under a community related section? And we can get a link added in the Q2A system when it is done.
# [20:10] <pingu2> hello
# [20:10] <wax_eagle> _cheney: I'm not.
# [20:10] <Garbee> _cheney, This is also a pretty customized system with the forms they added on top.
# [20:10] <eternicode> I mean, I now understand why the title-casing, but in general, I'm not familiar with wikis.
# [20:11] <_cheney> in mediawiki your username is also a Page. so it has to follow the same rules as pages do, i.e. first letter uppercase
# [20:11] <wax_eagle> _cheney first rule of web dev: assume your users are morons who know nothing, then you won't be disappointed
# [20:11] <Garbee> wax_eagle, That is a bit harsh.
# [20:11] <wax_eagle> Garbee: That's reality, I'm a web dev.
# [20:11] <fr0zenice> for me the first rule of web dev is: don't trust user input :p
# [20:12] <_cheney> have a look at this article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)#Restrictions_on_usernames
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# [20:12] <wax_eagle> fr0zenice: that's rule 0 :)
# [20:12] <fr0zenice> ah right
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# [20:12] <_cheney> the webplatform docs uses the same software as wikipedia (mediawiki)
# [20:12] <wax_eagle> gotta start with the first index else you get Oboes :P
# [20:13] <Garbee> wax_eagle, Considering we are building a platform for *developers* I don't think assuming no knowledge is necessary.
# [20:14] <Garbee> Yes, we should make things as simple as we can for people, but assuming plain no-knowledge is not necessary.
# [20:14] <chris_cook> a platform for learner developers too though
# [20:14] <wax_eagle> Garbee: I wish that was actually true. rememeber that your audience spectrum is going from self taught complete beginners all the way to 20 year professionals and beyond
# [20:14] <pingu2> doesnt it seem odd that theyve adopted proper-case page names for mediawiki? or, you know, upper first character?
# [20:15] <_cheney> i'm not sure when they adopted it but it's been that way for a very long time
# [20:17] <@paul_irish> wax_eagle: i think you're right about the UX issues, fwiw
# [20:17] <awsmsce> hey, guys
# [20:17] <awsmsce> got some time to burn today and would love to help contribute
# [20:17] <@paul_irish> open stacks tend to have this problem :)
# [20:18] <wax_eagle> paul_irish: I agree, why the insistence on open then?
# [20:18] <awsmsce> realistically, what are the big pieces you have identified as needing priority attention
# [20:18] <@paul_irish> has to be that way
# [20:18] <@paul_irish> Garbee: can you help out awsmsce
# [20:19] <awsmsce> *thx
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# [20:19] <wax_eagle> paul_irish: why does it "have to be that way" it's such an arbitrary thing. Does it matter if the source is open or closed if it actually works and looks nice?
# [20:19] <Garbee> awsmsce, Have you read over this yet? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
# [20:19] <awsmsce> nope, i'll start there.
# [20:20] <Garbee> Great, read over that and if you still need an idea of where to be pointed towards I think NotTomato would have a good idea of some areas.
# [20:20] <Garbee> I'm kinda focusing on dev tool doc import atm.
# [20:20] <_cheney> the web is an open platform, makes sense that webplatform uses open tech
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# [20:21] <chris_cook> open also means the whole platform isn't reliant on some other entity
# [20:21] <chris_cook> just itself
# [20:21] <Garbee> paul_irish, Should I bring up in the mailing list that some think we should host our own bugtracker?
# [20:22] <Garbee> I think also with the stewards, an open platforms was the best way so it doesn't support competitors or it doesn't look like favorites are being played.
# [20:22] <Garbee> an open platform system^^
# [20:23] <Garbee> But that is just speculation.
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# [20:27] <eternicode> Garbee, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Q%26A_FAQ . First wiki page I've ever created -- so I may have missed something. I'll also ping the mailing list with it.
# [20:28] <Garbee> eternicode, Plesae do and thanks for making it.
# [20:28] <Garbee> Eventually we will want to crosslink with keeping things ontopic, but until that is completely decided on lets avoid it.
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# [20:29] <phwd> Can you not use {{lowercase title}} as the docs say :S
# [20:30] <@paul_irish> awsmsce: and holler here if you finish gettingstarted and are confused
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# [20:30] <@paul_irish> :)
# [20:30] <awsmsce> thanks dude
# [20:30] <@paul_irish> Garbee: in a meeting bbiab
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# [21:17] <gavinc> mmm, does linking to a job opening in this channel constitute spam? If so... <spam>https://lexmachina.com/about/careers/ Looking for a front end developer to work with lots of US patent litigation data</spam>
# [21:17] <@paul_irish> awsmsce: how did you net how?
# [21:17] <@paul_irish> gavinc: yup
# [21:18] <Garbee> gavinc, Seriously?
# [21:18] <Garbee> You are going to ask, then w/o an answer just spam anyways.
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# [21:18] <gavinc> Yes, I'm a bad person
# [21:18] <@paul_irish> ++
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# [21:20] <gavinc> as penance I'll write some documentation, and work threw getting another recommendation to LC
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# [21:25] <Jayflux> paul_irish so whats going to happen with move the web forward, is that still going?
# [21:25] <@paul_irish> yup
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# [21:25] <@paul_irish> should we do something new for this year?
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# [21:26] <Jayflux> Sure why not :D
# [21:26] <@Garbee> All you should do is add a raptor to the dinosaurs up top.
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# [21:28] <NotTomato> Hi guys.
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# [21:29] <mdel> NotTomato: what fruit ARE you?
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# [21:30] <NotTomato> Not a tomato if that's what you're asking!
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# [22:09] <TehRealGawd> hrm
# [22:09] <TehRealGawd> can't remember my darn password
# [22:10] <fr0zenice> for the docs?
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# [22:13] <TehRealGawd> nah for here
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# [22:14] <fr0zenice> check http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sendpass
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# [22:21] <_Rainulf> TehRealGawd: you can go to #freenode and ask for help there
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# [22:29] <TehRealGawd> _Rainulf, i can just recover it but 2lazy atm, shepazu you're getting a lot of publicity lol
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# [22:29] <@shepazu> hmmm?
# [22:30] <@shepazu> TehRealGawd: you mean the site, or me? :P
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# [22:31] <TehRealGawd> lol the site, i think i saw something where you made a statement
# [22:32] <TehRealGawd> released by microsoft or something
# [22:33] <Purilla> how do you adress some one on irc? like 'nickname: hello'
# [22:33] <@Garbee> You just say there name Purilla.
# [22:33] <TehRealGawd> i usually just use commas
# [22:33] <fr0zenice> tab-completion helps
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# [22:33] <TehRealGawd> yeah you can hit tab to complete a nickname
# [22:33] <Purilla> garbee ok thanks
# [22:33] <TehRealGawd> so if you type teh then the [tab] key it will finish my name
# [22:34] <@Garbee> If you say the persons name in any part of the sentence, it will (most of the time) alert them.
# [22:34] <TehRealGawd> i think maybe the webclient that most people use auto-inserts : after the username
# [22:34] <@Garbee> Well, it will if there are no name conflicts.
# [22:34] <@Garbee> If there is a conflict then different clients do different things.
# [22:34] <Purilla> ahh ic
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# [22:35] <@Garbee> Don't worry about tab complete too much though. Just get the basics down with knowing to say there name. ;)
# [22:35] <@Garbee> their*
# [22:35] <fr0zenice> if there are multiple choices for completion, tab usually cycles through them :)
# [22:35] <mdel> TehRealGawd: irssi (popular command line client) uses colons too ;)
# [22:35] <@Garbee> Ok, if this is going to go any further it should go to #webplatform-offtopic
# [22:36] <Kryptos> Does WebPlatform plan on adding documentation for languages such as Ruby, PHP, ASP.NET, etc?
# [22:36] <@Garbee> Kryptos, No.
# [22:36] <@Garbee> We won't be documenting server-side languages.
# [22:36] <TehRealGawd> Kryptos, from what i've seen shepazu say they may be using external links for server-side languages
# [22:36] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ See the FAQ for more information.
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# [22:36] <Kryptos> Alright, and what about JavaScript libraries?
# [22:36] <TehRealGawd> so you'll be able to browse them throughout the webplatform website but the actual tutorials and things will on other websites
# [22:37] <TehRealGawd> javascript is client sided so i would assume it would be on webplatform
# [22:37] <@Garbee> Considering JS is on the front page of the docs I hope it is...
# [22:37] <Kryptos> Yea but I mean libraries
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# [22:37] <@Garbee> No.
# [22:37] <@Garbee> Libraries are out of the scope of our docs as well.
# [22:37] <@Garbee> It is up to those communities to document their libraries.
# [22:37] <Kryptos> Mhmm thought so
# [22:38] <@Garbee> We cover the web standard technology.
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# [22:38] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/server-side_languages --All the server-side we will get into pretty much. (Links to need to be fixed.)
# [22:38] <Kryptos> What about covering markup languages like XML?
# [22:38] <Kryptos> Oh awesome thanks
# [22:38] <@shepazu> Kryptos: we do plan to describe script libs, but not go too deep into them… similar to server-side languages
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# [22:38] <@Garbee> XML, don't know...
# [22:39] <@shepazu> Kryptos: yes, we will definitely cover XML
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# [22:39] <@shepazu> it might not be as in-depth as our other docs, but it will be covered
# [22:39] <Kryptos> shepazu: Awesome :)
# [22:40] <@shepazu> Kryptos: you interested in helping with any of that?
# [22:40] <@Garbee> shepazu, What do you think of for the Dev Tools section I'm making have it where we can put links to favorite (recommended) tools, like Sublime Text, Notepad++, and Textmate as Text Editors. Just links to tools like this, not going into documenting them.
# [22:40] <@shepazu> Garbee: url?
# [22:40] <@Garbee> None yet.
# [22:40] <@Garbee> I'm still making the initial page.
# [22:40] <@shepazu> yeah, sounds good to me
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# [22:41] <Kryptos> Garbee: SublimeText<3
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# [22:41] <@Garbee> Wait, I just saw jQuery in the Topics list.. Why is that in there if we aren't doing library stuff directly?
# [22:41] <@shepazu> also, we should cover things like basic info on git, hg, etc… just to let new developers know about workflows and tools
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# [22:42] <TehRealGawd> there is this place you can get free private git space shepazu
# [22:42] <@shepazu> Garbee: we're still sorting how stuff, dunno where jQuery will fit in
# [22:42] <TehRealGawd> you may want to include that
# [22:42] <mdel> shepazu: basic info for sure, and general information on VCS
# [22:42] <@Garbee> Yea, basic info linking out to more detailed tutorials, perhaps a *little* workflow.
# [22:42] <@shepazu> right
# [22:43] <Kryptos> shepazu: Maybe I will ;P - Reading the formartting guide
# [22:43] <@Garbee> shepazu, Just but the base outline up real quick: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Developer_Tools
# [22:43] <fr0zenice> basic workflow outlining sounds good, especially in regards to collaboration
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# [22:43] <@Garbee> The browsers section will be subpages with more info on stuff directly to them.
# [22:43] <@Garbee> But things like standalone tools we can just link to their homepages.
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# [22:43] <@Garbee> That way we have a good list of tools that people recommend, ofc perhaps a small text snippet about the tool as well and why it is recommended.
# [22:43] <TehRealGawd> Garbee, do you think you should include tools to connect via FTP to your webhost? in order to upload your web files?
# [22:43] <@Garbee> And a paragraph for each on *why* that type of tool is recommended.
# [22:44] <Kryptos> The site should totally include guides for Git, etc
# [22:44] <@Garbee> TehRealGawd, Yea ofc. This is just a very base layout.
# [22:44] <@Garbee> Kryptos, Not full guides. That is too much extra info.
# [22:44] <@Garbee> Really for Git I think we should just to workflow and point people to GitHub's tutorial.
# [22:44] <TehRealGawd> this link would be helpful for git: https://bitbucket.org/
# [22:45] <Kryptos> ;P
# [22:45] <TehRealGawd> unlimited private repository up to 5 users on each project
# [22:45] <Kryptos> BitBucket<3
# [22:45] <mdel> ^^
# [22:45] <@Garbee> TehRealGawd, Yea ofc.
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# [22:45] <mdel> if workflow is included, it should be kept very abstract
# [22:45] <@Garbee> Lets worry about agreeing on what we are going to allow into this section first, then worry about specifics like that.
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# [22:46] <@shepazu> "ofc" ?== "of course"
# [22:46] <mdel> yes
# [22:46] <@shepazu> (kids these days)
# [22:46] <harryrf> haha
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# [22:47] <mdel> shepazu: ikr!?
# [22:47] <mdel> (i know, right)
# [22:47] <@shepazu> mdel: a/s/l?
# [22:47] <@shepazu> :P
# [22:48] <@shepazu> Garbee, NotTomato, do we have a guide on modding the QA?
# [22:48] <harryrf> People still say that? :p
# [22:48] <Kryptos> 18 f wherever you live
# [22:48] <harryrf> You must be over the age of 25
# [22:48] <@shepazu> harryrf: almost certainly not
# [22:48] <harryrf> Took me back there for a minute :)
# [22:48] <@Garbee> shepazu, Not that I know of.
# [22:48] <@shepazu> I am a bit older than 25
# [22:49] <@Garbee> Re: Modding QA.
# [22:49] <@shepazu> thanks, Garbee
# [22:49] <@Garbee> What kind of modding are you thinking of?
# [22:49] <@shepazu> leaverou: so, the answer is "no, but we need one"
# [22:50] <@shepazu> sorry, Garbee, I mean moderating
# [22:50] <Kryptos> Shouldn't really be moderating, more like quality control?
# [22:50] <@Garbee> Oh, it is really use common sense right now and figure it out as you go along.
# [22:50] <@Garbee> Kryptos, If you saw some of the stuff we see you would get it.
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# [22:51] <Kryptos> lol I can't imagine
# [22:51] <@Garbee> The "mods" have a bit more control then just looking over the content.
# [22:51] <leaverou> shepazu: What do you mean? I'm lacking context here
# [22:51] <@Garbee> unless we go locking the system down even more, but I think that is too much work right now.
# [22:51] <fr0zenice> good thing anon posts need to be approved first ^^
# [22:51] <@shepazu> leaverou: you asked about a guide to moderating the QA
# [22:52] <leaverou> shepazu: oh, I see. I asked that in another room, hence the confusion
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# [22:53] <@Garbee> shepazu, Is this guide as far as what is acceptable or for actually using the system to do mod tasks?
# [22:54] <@shepazu> Garbee: both
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# [22:54] <@Garbee> As far as what is acceptable, we are still working on that as a whole.
# [22:54] <@Garbee> *using the system* we should build one.
# [22:54] <@shepazu> expectations for behavior, and just how to do it
# [22:54] <Kryptos> http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=server-side_languages/php&action=edit&redlink=1 - Should just be a summary of the language and linking to the php.net docs, right?
# [22:54] <@Garbee> Kryptos, yup.
# [22:55] <@shepazu> Kryptos: yup
# [22:55] <@paul_irish> yup
# [22:55] <Kryptos> C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
# [22:55] <@shepazu> can I get a yup-yup?
# [22:55] <@Garbee> shepazu, Ok, I'm going to file a bug report under content to remind us to do that. Is that fine?
# [22:55] <Kryptos> Sorry I couldn't help myself
# [22:55] <mdel> consensus!
# [22:55] <@shepazu> Garbee++
# [22:55] <@Garbee> Sweet, filing now while it is on my mind.
# [22:56] <cheilmann> OK, so not even afternoon here local time and my jet lag kicks in. Eek. Also, why is the SF weather like London?
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# [22:56] <leaverou> cheilmann: what do you mean? It doesn't rain all the time in SF
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# [22:57] <cheilmann> yeah, well, yeah :)
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# [22:57] <@paul_irish> yeah chilly here today :(
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# [22:57] <Kryptos> Am I the only one that finds it weird that the website uses PHP?
# [22:57] <Kryptos> :(
# [22:58] <@shepazu> Kryptos: how so?
# [22:58] <tsinghtao> whats wrong with php?
# [22:58] <@paul_irish> facebook uses php
# [22:58] <Kryptos> docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php
# [22:58] <@Garbee> paul_irish, No, FB uses some hip-hop PHP craziness.
# [22:59] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: there was some talk earlier of using some other templating language… what can you tell me about that?
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# [23:01] <cheilmann> yahoo uses PHP
# [23:01] <cheilmann> I use PHP
# [23:01] <_cheney> wikipedia is in php
# [23:01] <@tobie> Garbee: it's still PHP/
# [23:01] <cheilmann> Wordpress does
# [23:01] <mven> mass h8 for php.
# [23:01] <cheilmann> PHP is a great language - it teaches people to always have the docs open
# [23:01] <Kryptos> Y U NO node.js
# [23:01] <@tobie> Garbee: the fact it's now running in a VM doesn't make it not PHP.
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# [23:01] <cheilmann> cause node.js has a track record of years to be reliable and easy to deploy, right ? :)
# [23:01] <_cheney> v8 4lyfe?
# [23:01] <Kryptos> :(
# [23:02] <_cheney> single threaded
# [23:02] <@tobie> cheilmann: actually, I was blown away by how easy it is to deploy node on heroku
# [23:02] <@shepazu> Kryptos: I seriously considered creating a custom CMS using Node.js and git for this project, but we decided to use something more mature and stable, so we chose MediaWiki
# [23:03] <@Garbee> shepazu, And how is that working out so far?
# [23:03] * @Garbee looks quizically.
# [23:03] <@Garbee> (Yes spelled wrong.)
# [23:03] <@shepazu> Garbee: probably bette than if we rolled our own :)
# [23:03] <@shepazu> * better
# [23:03] * @Garbee points to SSO BS and laughs.
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# [23:03] <@Garbee> I see your point though.
# [23:04] <@shepazu> :D
# [23:04] <mdel> better to release and iterate, IMO
# [23:04] <tsinghtao> is there any base CMS for node?
# [23:05] <@shepazu> tsinghtao: yes, a few, but none very stable or mature
# [23:05] <Kryptos> shepazu: Yea I mean, I'm not saying PHP is awful but seeing as you are trying to represent the web's standards(?) using JavaScript(lib) would be suitable :)
# [23:05] <@shepazu> more hobby projects, from what I could see
# [23:05] <@shepazu> Kryptos: that was my thinking exactly
# [23:06] <@shepazu> but there are other considerations
# [23:06] <@tobie> Kryptos: node.js isn't exactly a Web standard.
# [23:06] <mdel> Kryptos: i think php is pretty much a web "standard" still :)
# [23:06] <Kryptos> JavaScript is though.
# [23:06] <_cheney> i think he means js itself
# [23:06] <@shepazu> Kryptos: I haven't completely given up on the idea :)
# [23:06] <@Garbee> Kryptos, Just because you are supporting web standards doesn't mean you can't use PHP.
# [23:06] <gavinc> one of the better facts about the web being that it really really doesn't matter what language produced the page
# [23:06] <Kryptos> shepazu: Good to know haha ;P
# [23:06] <@Garbee> It is a perfectly valid server-side language for *compiling* the stuff sent to the frontend.
# [23:06] <@tobie> shepazu: fancy another port ot another markup system?
# [23:06] <mdel> gavinc: amen to that
# [23:07] <Kryptos> Garbee: I'm not saying that, just saying it'd be more suitable.
# [23:07] <@tobie> s/ot/to/
# [23:07] <gavinc> otherwise we'd all still be using C cgi applications
# [23:07] * gavinc shudders
# [23:08] <mdel> or PERL CGI
# [23:08] <@shepazu> tobie: to be honest, I'd rather use an advanced wysiwyg on top of a script library shim for the HTML editing APIs
# [23:08] * mdel esplodes
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# [23:09] <@tobie> shepazu: can you elaborate?
# [23:09] <@tobie> shepazu: I'm not sure I understand
# [23:10] <@shepazu> tobie: you know the HTML editing APis? http://www.w3.org/community/editing/
# [23:10] <@shepazu> IMO, every browser should simply support rich editing capabilities, so every project doesn't have to roll their own
# [23:11] <leaverou> shepazu++
# [23:11] <@shepazu> how much JS is shipped down the pipe just to handle some basic functionality almost every modern webapp needs?
# [23:11] <@tobie> I find my sweet spot with markdown, tbh.
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# [23:11] <@tobie> s/find/found/
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# [23:12] <leaverou> tobie: It could be argued that this is only true today, because all current WYSIWYG editors suck
# [23:12] <@shepazu> tobie: some people know markdown, some know wikitext, some hate both
# [23:12] <@tobie> shepazu: not something I would like debating.
# [23:13] <@tobie> shepazu: that's why I said: I found **my** sweet spot.
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# [23:13] <@shepazu> tobie: yup
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# [23:14] <@paul_irish> tobie: yeah if i could get the Mou markdown editing experience in the browser I'd be pretty happy :)
# [23:14] <@shepazu> Mou?
# [23:15] <@tobie> Mou?
# [23:15] <@shepazu> MOOOOOOOUUUUUUU
# [23:16] <_Rainulf> Mou.
# [23:16] <@tobie> I need an !echo on wpdbot
# [23:16] <_Rainulf> maybe this? http://mouapp.com/ lol
# [23:16] <@shepazu> http://mouapp.com/
# [23:16] <@tobie> paul_irish: you're missing out
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# [23:17] <@tobie> paul_irish: http://markedapp.com/ is the real hotness.
# [23:17] <@shepazu> toooooo slow :(
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# [23:18] <@paul_irish> hmm
# [23:18] <@paul_irish> i think i like Mou better. getting bigass headlines in my source is really lovely
# [23:19] <@paul_irish> also live update vs update on save
# [23:19] <robertpitt_> Hey guys
# [23:19] <@shepazu> hi, RobertPItt
# [23:19] <harryrf> hello
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# [23:21] <ericelliott> paul_irish: That's really cool. I wish it was web-based, though.
# [23:21] <@paul_irish> same
# [23:22] <ericelliott> paul_irish: I love the idea of c9 -- I want all my IDEs in the cloud. =)
# [23:22] <@paul_irish> http://dillinger.io/ is pretty close
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# [23:25] <_Rainulf> paul_irish: Looks cool. Btw, it doesn't load properly in FF heh
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# [23:27] <summatusmentis> hi all, I was directed here by someone in #web, because I've got an odd question about iOS, and http headers
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# [23:27] <summatusmentis> We've got a server that adds a couple of custom headers to the the response when a user logs in. Within iOS Safari proper, we can read these headers just fine. However, when the same app is added to the homescreen (making it fullscreen, etc.), I get an error about unsafe headers, and I cannot read them
# [23:27] <summatusmentis> My question is: am I doing something wrong? Is there a way to force the app added to the homescreen to be able to read the custom headers? or am I just out of luck?
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# [23:28] <@tobie> http://markedapp.com/ lets you use any editor, which is pretty cool
# [23:28] <robertpitt_> do the headers start with X-*
# [23:29] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: new templating language is lua
# [23:29] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: it's slowly being introduced on wikimedia right now
# [23:29] <robertpitt_> summatusmentis, see: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648
# [23:29] <summatusmentis> robertpitt_: they do now, they weren't originally, but I've changed that since
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# [23:31] <@tobie> summatusmentis: this channel doesn't do support.
# [23:31] <fr0zenice> not to sound rude, but this isn't the place to discuss specific iOS questions
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# [23:31] <@tobie> summatusmentis: not sure why #web sent you this way.
# [23:31] <summatusmentis> I was told there were a few people here who do a lot of mobile web work
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# [23:32] <@Garbee> summatusmentis, But this room isn't for support like that.
# [23:32] <robertpitt_> tobie is right summatusmentis, All I will say is take a look at Apple forums and ask there, seems like an issue with there platform rather then the web
# [23:32] <summatusmentis> fair enough, sorry
# [23:32] <@tobie> np
# [23:32] <@Garbee> We are about webplatform.org. Just because people here do mobile stuff doens't mean we support it via this channel.
# [23:32] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: you have a URL for your use of Lua?
# [23:33] <@Garbee> But, lets try to get you to the proper place for support.
# [23:33] <@Ryan_Lane> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
# [23:33] <@Garbee> Does anyone have any ideas where he can get support for that issue?
# [23:33] <fr0zenice> Apple dev forums as robertpitt_ mentioned
# [23:33] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: you think this would be stable enough for us to deploy and test?
# [23:33] <@Ryan_Lane> yes
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# [23:34] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: could we use it alongside what we have now, and transition to it?
# [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> but we need to upgrade mediawiki first
# [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
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# [23:34] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: ok, let's do it, when you think we can
# [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> current templates will be supported basically forever
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# [23:38] <Wilto> What’s the good word, Webplatformers?
# [23:39] <@shepazu> Wilto: apparently, the good word is "lua"
# [23:39] <@shepazu> or possibly "markdown"
# [23:40] <Wilto> “Markdown” is a *wonderful* word.
# [23:40] <eighty4> surely markdown must be better than lua?
# [23:40] <eternicode> markdown++
# [23:40] <eighty4> sadly basecamp is a bad word :(
# [23:40] <eighty4> I hate it everytime I realize it doesn't support markdow
# [23:42] <Wilto> Markdown is better than most things.
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# [23:43] * @Ryan_Lane doesn't like markdown
# [23:43] <@Ryan_Lane> no one actually uses markdown. everyone uses some varient of markdown
# [23:43] <Wilto> yo WHERE’S PAUL_IRISH
# [23:43] <@paul_irish> HOLLA
# [23:43] <Wilto> I GOTTA HAVE WORDS WITH THAT GUY
# [23:44] <Wilto> Whassup, bruh.
# [23:44] <@paul_irish> Wilto came is happy to work out some extra responsive CSS. leaverou I imagine there is still work that he could take on there?
# [23:44] <eternicode> Ryan_Lane, sounds like mobile webkit ;D
# [23:44] <_cheney> he's in our browsers
# [23:44] <Wilto> I been known to fix some phone-related things.
# [23:44] <Wilto> Hell, I could run it through the jQuery Mobile test lab on Monday
# [23:45] <@paul_irish> thats hot
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# [23:46] <Wilto> _cheney: And in our *hearts*.
# [23:46] <Wilto> paul_irish: Assume you guys got iOS/Android Chrome locked down, yeah?
# [23:46] <_cheney> :swoon:
# [23:46] * @paul_irish shrugs. leaverou knows best and appears to be afk
# [23:47] <leaverou> paul_irish: I'm not afk
# [23:47] <@paul_irish> oh! )
# [23:47] <leaverou> I was jut making some coffee
# [23:47] <@paul_irish> good thinkin
# [23:47] <leaverou> paul_irish: not really when it's midnight :P
# [23:47] <@paul_irish> oh! you're not in CA. i see.
# [23:47] <leaverou> nope
# [23:48] <@paul_irish> leaverou: Wilto is offering to make some enhancements to the responsivity of the site
# [23:48] <eighty4> leaverou: europe?
# [23:48] <leaverou> eighty4: yup
# [23:48] <leaverou> paul_irish: that's great!
# [23:48] <@paul_irish> leaverou: whats the best way for him to work on that?
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# [23:49] <leaverou> paul_irish: hmmm
# [23:49] <Wilto> giiithuuuub
# [23:49] <leaverou> paul_irish: right now, even I can't work on it, due to some technical issues, but hopefully they;ll be resolved soon
# [23:49] <Wilto> —You guys hear something just now?
# [23:49] <eighty4> ffs, it's almost 00. What happened with this evening?
# [23:49] <Wilto> Maybe it was the wind. Or a ghost.
# [23:49] <Wilto> giiiiiiithuuuub
# [23:49] <Wilto> There it was again!
# [23:49] <egghead> GIIITHUUUUUUUUB
# [23:49] <eighty4> Wilto: it's just me wispering in your ear
# [23:49] <leaverou> Wilto: That would be great, but I'm not sure it will happen soon enough
# [23:50] <eighty4> sorry about that
# [23:50] <egghead> who here is going to html5devconf ?
# [23:50] <leaverou> eighty4: it's half past 00 here :)
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# [23:50] <eighty4> leaverou: so finland then :)
# [23:51] <leaverou> eighty4: nope
# [23:51] <eighty4> Italy?
# [23:51] <leaverou> Wilto: I'll need to discuss it with shepazu and will get back to you. Thank you so much for offering to contribute!
# [23:51] <eighty4> sorry, greece :)
# [23:51] <Wilto> Sure; no worries.
# [23:51] <leaverou> eighty4: yup, you got it on the 3rd try :)
# [23:52] <eighty4> Greece seems a bit tricky right now :(
# [23:52] <leaverou> eighty4: I'm leaving it very soon
# [23:52] <eighty4> read that Cola is leaving :(
# [23:52] <leaverou> eighty4: whaaat? where did you read that?
# [23:52] <@paul_irish> leaverou: can you throw the skins.webplatform css into a gist?
# [23:52] <leaverou> paul_irish: sure!
# [23:53] <eighty4> leaverou: not the article I read but it's about it: http://www.vibe.com/article/greece-moves-coca-cola-company-switzerland
# [23:53] <NotTomato> w-wah
# [23:53] <@paul_irish> cool. that way Wilto can hack at it already, even though we dont have a good workflow for getting the changes back into the site right now
# [23:53] <Wilto> Hm, yeah, I could give that a shot. View source for the markup and hack around on that CSS, yeah?
# [23:53] <NotTomato> paul_irish, you can add CSS ot the wiki
# [23:53] <Wilto> NotTomato: I will give you one (1) dollar if I don’t have to do that.
# [23:53] <@paul_irish> right but we'll want to augment the existing styles in their natural form, NotTomato
# [23:53] <leaverou> paul_irish: Wilto: here it is: https://gist.github.com/9db4acef702946048d63
# [23:53] <NotTomato> ah okay.
# [23:53] <NotTomato> I'm curious, what skin does our wiki use?
# [23:53] <NotTomato> I don't know the name so I'm not sure what system message to go to.
# [23:54] <leaverou> Wilto: also, if you copy the HTML and paste locally, it will work, since most URLs are absolute
# [23:54] <@paul_irish> "webplatform" it seems, NotTomato?
# [23:54] <NotTomato> Okay.
# [23:54] <leaverou> NotTomato: yup, webplatform
# [23:54] <@paul_irish> just looking at the primary compiled stylesheet on the site
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# [23:55] <@paul_irish> darcyclarke: !!!
# [23:55] <darcyclarke> paul_irish !!!!
# [23:55] <NotTomato> darcyclarke!
# [23:55] <darcyclarke> ?
# [23:55] <NotTomato> Just as planned.
# [23:55] <@Garbee> That was planned?
# [23:56] <Wilto> Scale of “one” to “buckwild,” how much should I obsess here? Like, at a glance, `content: '▾'` is gonna give you a busted character in Blackberry 5/6/7 and Android <= 2.3.x.
# [23:56] <NotTomato> I wish.
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# [23:56] <darcyclarke> paul_irish what'chyou want?
# [23:56] <@paul_irish> just lots of excitement. also darcyclarke .. Tab Atkins used yr interview questions to interview a google SWE candidate today
# [23:56] <darcyclarke> paul_irish hot jam
# [23:56] <Wilto> You guys have an official list of things to target?
# [23:57] <leaverou> Wilto: don't obess that much :)
# [23:57] <darcyclarke> you'd be surprised how many people hate that resource
# [23:57] <darcyclarke> haters gunna hate
# [23:57] <leaverou> Wilto: I'm afraid not :(
# [23:57] <darcyclarke> and it's not mine, it's everyones
# [23:57] <eighty4> leaverou: but give it a couple of years and greece will turn it around. They've been around for a couple of years after all :D
# [23:57] <leaverou> eighty4: I have no faith in that
# [23:57] <leaverou> eighty4: I think it's a sinking ship
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# [23:58] <Wilto> leaverou: Cool, cool. I’ll just be on the look-out for major mobile chaos.
# [23:58] <@paul_irish> Wilto: lemme look in the bug tracker
# [23:58] <eighty4> leaverou: not that many countries have actually ceased to exist in the last 100 years
# [23:58] <Wilto> paul_irish: Is that public someplace?
# [23:58] <@paul_irish> yes https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
# [23:58] <Wilto> Just curious; no promises.
# [23:59] <Wilto> I gotta keep the obsessing in check—you know me, holmes.
# [23:59] <Jayflux> i bloody love git sometimes
# [23:59] <leaverou> eighty4: I don't think that will happen. I think it's eventually going to go bankrupt, get out of the EU and become really really poor. And I really hope I have left for good by then
# [23:59] <@paul_irish> Wilto: yeah looks like only one purely mobile css issue in there 19482
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