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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 21 10:18:06 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [21 10:18] * Logging #whatwg to 'http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070321'
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  7. # [21 10:45] <krijnh> Charl: you there?
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  10. # [21 11:05] <Charl> krijnh: yes am here still, just not actively watching irc
  11. # [21 11:05] <Charl> krijnh: writing my application for google soc :)
  12. # [21 11:24] <Lachy> Hey Charl, you there?
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  14. # [21 11:37] <Charl> Lachy: i am here right now, but will have to disappear for an hour or so, bbl
  15. # [21 11:37] <Charl> mail me please anyone, will read your mail as soon as i get back
  16. # [21 11:38] <Charl> or just use memoserve ;)
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  19. # [21 11:40] <Lachy> nah, I was just gonna ask you why you weren't on MSN or Skype
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  29. # [14:27] <Charl> hi BenWard :)
  30. # [14:27] <BenWard> Hi Charl :) I wondered if I'd stumble upon you in here. How're you doing?
  31. # [14:28] <Charl> very good thanks, yourself?
  32. # [14:28] * Parts: Hemebond (n=Hemebond@203-118-179-242.bliink.ihug.co.nz)
  33. # [14:33] * Charl changes topic to 'WHATWG (HTML5) -- http://www.whatwg.org/ -- Logs: http://whatbot.charlvn.za.net/ or http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- Please leave your sense of logic (and software patents) at the door, thanks! -- http://blog.whatwg.org/w3c-restarts-html-effort thanks to us!'
  34. # [14:33] <Charl> i seriously think somebody needs to get this channel on chanserv
  35. # [14:33] <Charl> so that we can have a proper entry message
  36. # [14:33] <Charl> instead of trying to squeeze everything into the title
  37. # [14:33] <Charl> this is channel title abuse :)
  38. # [14:34] <BenWard> Yeah… not too bad. I lost my job on Monday (company ran out of money) so I'm currently in the frantic freelancing limbo stage.
  39. # [14:35] <Charl> wow that sucks; i'm sure there'll be lots of work coming in, i hear the IT industry in many areas of europe is booming right now
  40. # [14:35] <Charl> i know here it is
  41. # [14:35] <Charl> we can hardly keep up, that's why i'm not active on many of the mailing lists right now :)
  42. # [14:42] <krijnh> Charl: freelancing doesn't suck :)
  43. # [14:42] <Charl> krijnh: not at all, only loosing your job :)
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  45. # [14:43] <Charl> zcorpan: hi there
  46. # [14:43] <zcorpan> Charl: hi
  47. # [14:44] <Charl> zcorpan: sorry for being so silent from my side, i am desperately trying to get my google soc applications in
  48. # [14:44] <Charl> zcorpan: next week i'll be back to normal :)
  49. # [14:45] <zcorpan> no worries
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  59. # [15:33] <Dashiva> So the html wg IRC channel is on yet another network. That puts my single-channel network count at... 6
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  61. # [15:45] <Lachy> it would have been better if the HTMLWG just joined in here, since most (I think) of us in here are on the HTMLWG.
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  63. # [15:47] <Dashiva> Or have the channel on this network, even if it was a different channel
  64. # [15:48] <Lachy> oh wow, the topic of this channel just keeps growing :-)
  65. # [15:49] <Lachy> krijnh, will you be importing the logs from whatbot into your irc-logs server? Then we can remove one of the URIs and redirect whatbot to your site
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  67. # [16:00] <Charl> that would be better yes
  68. # [16:01] <Charl> i actually want to kill the java process running whatbot
  69. # [16:01] <Charl> it's just wasting bandwidth at the moment
  70. # [16:01] <Charl> i'll have to take down that server
  71. # [16:01] <Charl> so the previous logs will be lost
  72. # [16:01] <Charl> unless they can find a new home
  73. # [16:01] <Charl> they're just static files
  74. # [16:01] <Charl> so i'm sure i'll be able to upload them somewhere
  75. # [16:02] <Charl> it would of course be cooler if krijn can just import them all
  76. # [16:02] <krijnh> Yeah sure, I have nothing to do anyway ;)
  77. # [16:04] <Charl> you gotta be kidding :)
  78. # [16:04] <krijnh> I was ;)
  79. # [16:04] <Charl> thought as much :P
  80. # [16:04] <krijnh> Timezones are different though
  81. # [16:04] <krijnh> 1 hour
  82. # [16:04] <Charl> oh yeah, SAST is UTC+02:00
  83. # [16:05] <Charl> holland is on UTC+01:00 i think
  84. # [16:05] <krijnh> Jup
  85. # [16:05] <krijnh> Although the page says timestamps are in GMT/BST
  86. # [16:05] <Charl> bah
  87. # [16:05] <krijnh> Is it a problem?
  88. # [16:06] <krijnh> Else I just copy 'n paste everything :)
  89. # [16:06] <Charl> i really wish we could just use UTC for absolutely everything
  90. # [16:06] <Charl> even adjust our clocks to that
  91. # [16:06] <Charl> would make things so much simpler
  92. # [16:06] <Charl> nah i don't think anybody is going to cry about 1 hour
  93. # [16:06] <Charl> i can zip all those logfiles and send them to you though if you want
  94. # [16:06] <krijnh> I want :)
  95. # [16:07] <Charl> cool i'll be back at work tomorrow then i'll struggle with my server a bit and get things organised
  96. # [16:07] <Charl> today is public holiday in ZA
  97. # [16:07] <krijnh> What are you doing here then?
  98. # [16:07] <Charl> bah i don't take holidays ;)
  99. # [16:11] <krijnh> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20061201
  100. # [16:11] <krijnh> :]
  101. # [16:11] <krijnh> Okay, that'll work
  102. # [16:11] <krijnh> Although now the fluffy colors are gone
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  104. # [16:12] <met_> krijnh, nice can make link to particular comment
  105. # [16:12] <krijnh> Yes
  106. # [16:12] <krijnh> If more is needed, let me know
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  108. # [16:13] <krijnh> Gotta add some filters for hiding joins/quits et cetera
  109. # [16:14] * Quits: WhatBot (n=PircBot@net-153-119.mweb.co.za) (Remote closed the connection)
  110. # [16:14] <Charl> and whatbot is officially dead
  111. # [16:14] <Charl> :)
  112. # [16:14] <krijnh> RIP
  113. # [16:15] <krijnh> I wonder what happens when my connection drops
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  115. # [16:17] <Charl> i know what happened when mine did: whatbot got pwned :)
  116. # [16:17] <krijnh> Just a gap in the logs I suppose?
  117. # [16:18] <Charl> yeah exactly
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  120. # [16:58] <krijnh> Anybody; is the filter usable like this; http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070321 ?
  121. # [16:59] <billmason> wfm
  122. # [17:01] <krijnh> wfm? ;)
  123. # [17:01] <billmason> it Works For Me
  124. # [17:01] <krijnh> Just kidding :)
  125. # [17:02] <zcorpan> not <dialog>? ;)
  126. # [17:03] <krijnh> <dialog> needs <dt><dd>
  127. # [17:03] <krijnh> I told you I like <li> ;)
  128. # [17:03] <zcorpan> oh yep
  129. # [17:04] <krijnh> There, dialog
  130. # [17:04] <krijnh> :P
  131. # [17:06] <krijnh> Nah
  132. # [17:06] <zcorpan> it isn't possible to use <dialog> for a log like that, as currently defined
  133. # [17:07] <zcorpan> you can't have timestamps and you can't have things like [14:01] * Joins: Charl (n=charlvn@196.21.192.15)
  134. # [17:07] <krijnh> Which aren't too interesting anyway
  135. # [17:07] <krijnh> Imho
  136. # [17:08] <krijnh> For a log
  137. # [17:08] <zcorpan> but /me is
  138. # [17:08] <zcorpan> how would you mark up those?
  139. # [17:08] * zcorpan wonders
  140. # [17:09] <krijnh> <li class="status join"> I think
  141. # [17:09] <krijnh> In this case
  142. # [17:09] <zcorpan> the join/quit can just be stripped
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  147. # [17:32] <krijnh> zcorpan: Done
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  150. # [17:35] <zcorpan> krijnh: nice
  151. # [17:36] <krijnh> The code isn't, but heck
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  153. # [17:41] <Charl> krijnh: the only people who have perfect code are utterly bored
  154. # [17:42] <krijnh> Nah
  155. # [17:44] <zcorpan> Lachy: s60webkit is not an exception to the rule that mobile browsers is tagsoup all the way (reading #html-wg logs)
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  162. # [17:56] <Hixie> hm, using <li> inside dialog isn't a bad idea
  163. # [17:56] <Hixie> for non-dialog directions
  164. # [17:57] <sayrer> so I guess the HTML WG will start with http://esw.w3.org/topic/RequirementsDocument
  165. # [17:57] * sayrer sighs
  166. # [17:57] <annevk> why not <p>?
  167. # [17:57] <annevk> sayrer, no, you can say how you want it to start
  168. # [17:57] <sayrer> well first I would have to join it
  169. # [17:57] <annevk> afaik DanC is just putting down some thoughts
  170. # [17:57] <annevk> sayrer, I suppose
  171. # [17:57] <sayrer> actually, I guess it doesn't matter
  172. # [17:58] <annevk> public-html does accept e-mails from people not in the group
  173. # [17:58] <sayrer> if it comes down to it, Mozilla gets one vote
  174. # [17:58] <sayrer> but I don't expect there will ever be a vote
  175. # [17:59] <annevk> i hope not
  176. # [17:59] <sayrer> is there any other reason to join?
  177. # [17:59] <annevk> at the moment it's just to state your opinion, pretty much...
  178. # [17:59] <annevk> I suspect that one MS joins there might be some more activity
  179. # [17:59] <annevk> such as how it's going to work...
  180. # [18:00] <sayrer> that should be "interesting"
  181. # [18:00] <zcorpan> annevk: i guess since <p> is allowed where block-level elements are allowed, having <dialog><p> would imply that <dialog> can take any block-level elements. <li> is only allowed in specific places, so authors wouldn't get the idea that anything is allowed in <dialog>
  182. # [18:00] <annevk> sayrer, you always love a good flamebait ;)
  183. # [18:01] <sayrer> yeah... trying to ignore it... :)
  184. # [18:01] <annevk> hah
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  186. # [18:01] <sayrer> just make sure none of your proposals harm the ecology of the Document object ;)
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  191. # [18:24] <bewest> I don't know how in the world Hixie has time to respond to so many emails and edit the spec
  192. # [18:24] <annevk> it's his job
  193. # [18:24] <bewest> hmm
  194. # [18:24] <Hixie> yeah
  195. # [18:24] <Hixie> it's my job :-)
  196. # [18:25] <bewest> even so...
  197. # [18:28] * met_ wonders if dialog can be used also for monolog like Hamlet's 8-)
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  213. # [19:10] <hendry> i don't quite understand how "a final form medium" and "democratise web authoring" are related
  214. # [19:10] <hendry> esp. the last P.S. Argument
  215. # [19:11] <hendry> We have XML that can be adapted for different devices ... wtf
  216. # [19:12] <hendry> I don't think HTML content needs to be adapted for different devices
  217. # [19:12] <hendry> and XML isn't easier to edit than HTML is it?
  218. # [19:12] <annevk> depends on your god
  219. # [19:13] * weinig is now known as weinig|bbl
  220. # [19:13] <hendry> annevk: what gods are there then?
  221. # [19:13] <annevk> you've got the Hixie god
  222. # [19:13] <annevk> and you've got Chris Lilley
  223. # [19:13] <Hixie> i'm no god.
  224. # [19:14] <annevk> oh
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  226. # [19:14] * annevk 's world collapses
  227. # [19:14] <Hixie> i'm immortal, but i'm not a god. :-P
  228. # [19:14] <gsnedders> I thought it depended if you believed in markup gods or not?
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  230. # [19:16] <annevk> gsnedders, that's trailing slashes in void elements in text/html documents
  231. # [19:16] <annevk> but sure
  232. # [19:16] <hendry> Hixie: what is your opinion on "Is HTML a final form medium like PDF?" and the questions raised within
  233. # [19:16] <gsnedders> only limited to that?
  234. # [19:16] <Hixie> hendry: i don't understand the question.
  235. # [19:17] <hendry> Dave Raggett's post on public-html.
  236. # [19:17] <hendry> I don't quite understand the questioning either
  237. # [19:19] <tylerr> Morning all. **waves**
  238. # [19:19] <bewest> hendry: seems pretty hypothetical to me
  239. # [19:21] <Hixie> yeah
  240. # [19:21] <Hixie> it wasn't really concrete enough for me to understand what he meant in practical terms
  241. # [19:22] <bewest> tantek would have a field day with that
  242. # [19:22] <bewest> hehe
  243. # [19:24] <sayrer> I think someone should post section 1 of HTML5 in bullet-point form, and claim that the requirements discussion is over
  244. # [19:25] <Hixie> heh
  245. # [19:26] <Hixie> you guys watching this #html-wg discussion?
  246. # [19:26] <bewest> oh
  247. # [19:26] <bewest> I forgot
  248. # [19:26] <bewest> irc.w3.org?
  249. # [19:27] <Hixie> irc.w3.org 6665 #html-wg
  250. # [19:27] <bewest> hmm do I need to authenticate?
  251. # [19:27] <Hixie> no
  252. # [19:27] * bewest checks the port :-)
  253. # [19:28] <bewest> too many clients!
  254. # [19:28] <Hixie> heh
  255. # [19:28] <bewest> oh
  256. # [19:28] <Hixie> wait, too many clienths?
  257. # [19:28] <bewest> nm
  258. # [19:28] <bewest> my first analysis is always wrong
  259. # [19:28] <bewest> you'd think I wouldn't trust it after a while
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  261. # [19:35] <bewest> gah that discussions seems like a waste of time
  262. # [19:38] <zcorpan_> bewest: indeed
  263. # [19:39] <Hixie> feel free to say so...
  264. # [19:41] <zcorpan_> i have quit html-wg
  265. # [19:44] <bewest> I wonder if this will typify the wg...
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  267. # [19:58] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: did you leave the IRC channel or the whole WG?
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  269. # [20:07] <tylerr> Hixie: I joined that room and no one was there. **pouts**
  270. # [20:07] <zcorpan_> oh, no the irc channel
  271. # [20:07] <tylerr> #html-wg
  272. # [20:07] <tylerr> doh
  273. # [20:07] <tylerr> wrong server
  274. # [20:07] <tylerr> :)
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  288. # [21:06] <annevk> http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2007/03/yet-another/
  289. # [21:08] <Hixie> wow if that's not proof that it should be called matchAll() and matchSingle() i don't know what is
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  291. # [21:09] <Lachy> awesome!
  292. # [21:10] <Lachy> that's like the DOM script I wrote nearly 2 years ago, which I really needed to update. Now I don't have to, I can use that :-)
  293. # [21:13] <bewest> whoah that looks nice
  294. # [21:13] <bewest> that will get me to switch from prototype.js
  295. # [21:13] <sayrer> lol
  296. # [21:29] <Hixie> it does look nice
  297. # [21:35] <h3h> Hixie: FWIW you probably want to update this page: http://code.google.com/webstats/
  298. # [21:35] <h3h> specifically, "We recommend Firefox 1.5."
  299. # [21:35] <Hixie> one day.
  300. # [21:45] <tylerr> I noticed that tutorials are needed for folks new to HTML, is the specification in a solid enough state to start writing some of these out?
  301. # [21:46] <Hixie> for some parts, e.g. <canvas>, yes.
  302. # [21:47] <zcorpan_> i've also been thinking about writing tuts
  303. # [21:47] <met_> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Canvas_tutorial ?
  304. # [21:47] <zcorpan_> both for people who already know html4/xhtml1, and for people completely new to html
  305. # [21:48] <zcorpan_> although that could be combined, so that people who know html4 can skip the first chapter
  306. # [21:48] * tylerr nods.
  307. # [21:48] <tylerr> I was thinking the same.
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  309. # [21:52] <tylerr> It's a bit too early for a book, but as more elements and such come forth, all these tutorials will make for excellent book material.
  310. # [21:53] <tylerr> Come forth meaning <canvas> et al.
  311. # [21:54] <zcorpan_> get implemented
  312. # [21:54] <tylerr> Right. My vocabulary is lacking today. **chuckles**
  313. # [21:55] <tylerr> I've got a large number of pages to fix today from an outsourced vendor, bleh!
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  315. # [22:07] <Hixie> annevk: as far as i can tell, that guy's use case is dealt with using pattern="", not inputmode=""
  316. # [22:07] <Hixie> inputmode is more of a UI hint
  317. # [22:09] <tylerr> Here we go Hixie. http://futuremark.blogspot.com/
  318. # [22:09] <tylerr> Tutorials forthcoming.
  319. # [22:09] * tylerr smiles.
  320. # [22:09] <annevk> makes sense
  321. # [22:09] * annevk replied again with pattern=""
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  323. # [22:32] <zcorpan> i wonder if babyruthcoming posted those threads manually
  324. # [22:35] <zcorpan> on the forum that is
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  327. # [22:49] <Hixie> so there are two things that i've received feedback about that i'm thinking of adding to v1 of <video>
  328. # [22:49] <Hixie> one is an onended event
  329. # [22:49] <Hixie> the other is a way of adding cue marks
  330. # [22:49] <Hixie> cue marks being a way to say "at 21549ms, pause the video and send me an event telling me we're at cue 1"
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  332. # [22:50] <Hixie> or "at 9292ms, send me a cue mark but continue playing the video"
  333. # [22:51] <annevk> are cue marks scripted?
  334. # [22:51] <tylerr> Those are good to have. I use those with QuickTime.
  335. # [22:51] <annevk> and why not use setTimeout?
  336. # [22:52] <bewest> are there guidelines for what successful tutorials look like?
  337. # [22:52] <annevk> bewest, 1000diggs
  338. # [22:52] <hsivonen> annevk: lol
  339. # [22:52] <bewest> nice
  340. # [22:52] <Hixie> how would setTimeout work? the video might be paused, seeked, etc.
  341. # [22:52] <Hixie> tylerr: yeah lots of people have spoken about them
  342. # [22:52] <tylerr> bewest: Looks like we're going to have to create 999 Digg accounts.
  343. # [22:53] <annevk> Hixie, oh, duh
  344. # [22:53] <bewest> or any alexa rank better than http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=http://w3schools.com/
  345. # [22:53] <bewest> yeah I was curious about setTimeout
  346. # [22:53] <annevk> Hixie, still leaves the first question
  347. # [22:53] <Hixie> yes
  348. # [22:53] <tylerr> bewest: I created http://futuremark.blogspot.com/, I could add you as a contributor.
  349. # [22:53] <Hixie> you would do it scripted, at least in v1
  350. # [22:53] <annevk> k
  351. # [22:53] <Hixie> unless we want to change the video stream somehow
  352. # [22:53] <bewest> tylerr: nah.... I'm all talk ;-)
  353. # [22:53] <tylerr> Ah right right. :)
  354. # [22:54] <bewest> tylerr: (aka too many projects already)
  355. # [22:54] <bewest> although I wonder if a planetwebtutorial would be in order
  356. # [22:54] <annevk> Hixie, did you specifically search for <t:video or <something:video as well?
  357. # [22:55] <tylerr> bewest: I've gotten myself rather swamped as well outside of work. HTML-WG soon, WaSP Street Team, Microformats, the list goes on. :)
  358. # [22:55] <bewest> yes
  359. # [22:57] <tylerr> On top of all that, I'm trying to turn myself into the company evangelist on web standards and accessibility.
  360. # [22:57] <bewest> of course
  361. # [22:57] <tylerr> Needless to say, my life is booked... for life. ;)
  362. # [22:58] <Hixie> annevk: <t:video
  363. # [22:58] <bewest> be careful... you'll find people coming to ask you questions you have no clue about
  364. # [22:58] <Hixie> annevk: you found any <other:video ?
  365. # [22:58] <tylerr> bewest: Naturally. I'm happy to direct them to #web or #html. ;)
  366. # [22:58] <annevk> Hixie, no, but given that t is bound to a namespace that should be possible...
  367. # [22:58] <annevk> although I guess most people would copy and paste
  368. # [23:00] <Hixie> i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't possible, but yeah.
  369. # [23:01] <bewest> Hixie: I don't think either of those features are required for v1
  370. # [23:01] <annevk> it should be possible, IE also allows inlining of SVG that way (in combination with the Adobe plugin)
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  372. # [23:02] <bewest> setTimeout handlers can check to make sure playback was continuous, as long as the syncing is sane when playback is continuous
  373. # [23:02] <annevk> setTimeout can't ensure that
  374. # [23:02] <bewest> oh
  375. # [23:02] <bewest> I asked you earlier and you said it was
  376. # [23:02] <annevk> the video could hit a AUTO-PAUSED for instance
  377. # [23:02] <annevk> well, I forgot a few variables
  378. # [23:03] <bewest> no, I mean when playback is continuous
  379. # [23:03] <annevk> although in theory I suppose you can take that all into account and develop your own cue marks...
  380. # [23:03] <annevk> but they might be inaccurate
  381. # [23:03] <bewest> if other things happen, your handler can sniff those out
  382. # [23:03] <bewest> eg, you can create an object that deschedules things when those things happen
  383. # [23:03] <annevk> otoh, you can just check video.position every 50ms
  384. # [23:04] <bewest> it's kind of a pain but it is possible
  385. # [23:04] <bewest> so if v1 is about enabling and not perfecting, then I say leave it all out
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  387. # [23:11] * annevk would just concur
  388. # [23:11] <annevk> it's unlikely we update our experimental <video> implementation soonish anyway I think
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  394. # [23:29] * annevk wondered for a moment if MegaZone is a spammer
  395. # [23:29] <Lachy_> who's MegaZone?
  396. # [23:29] <tylerr> MegaZone?
  397. # [23:29] <Lachy_> on the blog, wiki or forum?
  398. # [23:29] <annevk> the list
  399. # [23:29] <tylerr> Ah nevermind, just got the e-mail. :)
  400. # [23:29] <annevk> but it appears it's for real
  401. # [23:29] <zcorpan> wow, didn't know about ctrl+drag in tables in firefox
  402. # [23:30] <Lachy_> oh, me too :-)
  403. # [23:31] <tylerr> What the... that is an odd e-mail from MegaZone.
  404. # [23:31] <tylerr> And my mail filter doesn't work on him.
  405. # [23:32] <annevk> i meant that I don't think he's spamming
  406. # [23:32] * tylerr nods
  407. # [23:32] <tylerr> I'm just confused as to why I got mail that was not sent to the list.
  408. # [23:33] <Lachy_> it was probably BCC'd for some reason
  409. # [23:34] * tylerr nods. That's what I figure.
  410. # [23:34] <Lachy_> I wonder why the Sender is 'whatwg-bounces@whatwg.org'. Is that from the moderation queue or something?
  411. # [23:36] <annevk> there shouldn't be such a thing
  412. # [23:36] <annevk> i mean, Hixie said he wouldn't pay attention to it
  413. # [23:38] * annevk -> bed
  414. # [23:39] <annevk> g'night
  415. # [23:40] <hasather> good night annevk
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  420. # [23:52] <tylerr> What do you all think of "one-a-days" as a way to introduce the elements of HTML5 to new and current web developers? Basically each day present a new blog entry covering a single element, with an overview/breakdown and example section.
  421. # [23:55] <Lachy_> tylerr: are you planning to write some articles like that?
  422. # [23:55] <tylerr> Aye Lachy_. I've gone and set up a blog already over at Blogger.
  423. # [23:55] <Lachy_> URI?
  424. # [23:56] <tylerr> http://futuremark.blogspot.com/
  425. # [23:56] <tylerr> Nothing as of yet. Just set it up an hour or so ago. :)
  426. # [23:56] <Lachy_> articles like that might be good to have on blog.whatwg.org
  427. # [23:57] <zcorpan> i guess it makes more sense to focus on features rather than elements, as some elements are rather boring and others don't do anything without combination of other elements, and some features don't have elements at all, etc
  428. # [23:57] <zcorpan> and some elements are overloaded, e.g. <input>
  429. # [23:57] * tylerr nods.
  430. # [23:58] <tylerr> Something to think about.
  431. # [23:59] <zcorpan> what i had in mind wrt writing a tut was to have one big tutorial that is updated as the spec envolves... so not quite blog-like
  432. # [23:59] <tylerr> That's an open blog right lachy_?
  433. # [23:59] <tylerr> Ah so like a wikitorial?
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