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  61. # [09:56] <hsivonen> Hixie: I'm getting personal feedback that disapproves of giving semantics to previously presentational elements like <small>. Do you have a PR story I could refer to?
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  67. # [12:20] <jgraham> In pre/textarea blocks only the first newline gets dropped, right?
  68. # [12:21] * jgraham has discovered that some html5lib testcases drop more which seems like a bug
  69. # [12:21] <jgraham> or, I suppose I'm making a mistake...
  70. # [12:29] <hsivonen> Hixie: have you run a Google analysis on what percentage (permilliage?) of text/html pages have an <svg> or <math> tag in them?
  71. # [12:29] <hsivonen> Hixie: that is, would we break the Web if we fixed MathML in HTML and SVG in HTML?
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  79. # [13:48] <Jero> sweet: http://digg.com/programming/HTML5_differences_from_HTML4
  80. # [13:49] <Jero> hopefully showing this document to a large audience as digg will make people understand html5 better
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  85. # [15:01] <Dashiva> Jero: From the comments there, it seems many people don't want to understand :)
  86. # [15:08] <krijnh> 'I will never leave you center tag, my love :('
  87. # [15:08] <krijnh> Hehe
  88. # [15:09] <Jero> yeah, some comments are pretty humorous :p
  89. # [15:09] <krijnh> They aren't too bad
  90. # [15:11] <Jero> Dashiva: I suppose you're right but at least we make them think about it
  91. # [15:12] <Jero> and some critique is actually IMO not completely wrong
  92. # [15:13] <annevk> anything new?
  93. # [15:13] <annevk> besides the digg link above :)
  94. # [15:13] * Philip` guesses that getting random patterns of colours (presumably picking up random sections of memory) in canvas drawing is not entirely optimal from a security point of view
  95. # [15:13] <annevk> guess the debate on XHTML is settled with that...
  96. # [15:13] <annevk> XHTML5*
  97. # [15:14] <krijnh> "XHTML is the future. I can't wait for XHTML2." - that's too bad then
  98. # [15:14] <Jero> i see a lot of people that are confused with the naming
  99. # [15:15] <Jero> "What is the XHTML 5.0? I've heard about HTML 5.0 and XHTML 2.0. Did the naming is changed?"
  100. # [15:15] <annevk> heh, they're promoting my blog
  101. # [15:15] <krijnh> Did Digg users undergo an upgrade or something?
  102. # [15:16] <annevk> yeah, the last time they looked at HTML5 it kind of sucked, now it rules
  103. # [15:16] <krijnh> Indeed
  104. # [15:16] <Jero> i think it got popular because Kevin Rose was one of the first to digg it
  105. # [15:17] <Jero> and many people have him as a friend, so that way it becomes instantly popular
  106. # [15:17] <krijnh> Yay for web2.0
  107. # [15:18] <Jero> "HTML 5...wouldn't that mean that Web 5.0 isn't far off?" wtf...
  108. # [15:18] <annevk> "HTML5 is so strict that it steps on my balls while wearing high heels"
  109. # [15:19] <krijnh> "He didn't say he didn't enjoy it."
  110. # [15:19] <annevk> Jero, we've been talking about Web 5.0 a lot here, actually
  111. # [15:19] <Jero> oh snap, i've been missing out
  112. # [15:19] <krijnh> XML5, HTTP5, WEB5, where does it end :)
  113. # [15:19] <krijnh> CSS5
  114. # [15:19] <krijnh> DOM5
  115. # [15:20] <krijnh> R5
  116. # [15:20] <annevk> SVG5
  117. # [15:20] <Philip`> Implemented in Firefox 5 and Safari 5? And, uh, Opera 15?
  118. # [15:20] <krijnh> Opera5 prolly already supported all of this anyway
  119. # [15:20] <annevk> Opera 2^5
  120. # [15:21] <Philip`> Opera X.5, maybe
  121. # [15:22] <annevk> I like to think I'm better informed :p
  122. # [15:22] <krijnh> Yeah, you have that habit ;)
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  125. # [15:55] <annevk> jgraham, would be good if you could e-mail that yes
  126. # [15:56] <annevk> jgraham, either to the list or just to me
  127. # [15:56] <jgraham> annevk: You are referring to the HTML4/5 differences thing?
  128. # [15:57] <annevk> yeah
  129. # [15:58] <annevk> http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=here_comes_html5_duck&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
  130. # [15:59] <Dashiva> It's sort of depressing to see people ask "Why add <header>, <aside>, <section>, etc when we have <div> already?"
  131. # [15:59] <Dashiva> And these are the people who claim they want semantic markup?
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  133. # [16:01] <annevk> jgraham, I like your suggestions btw, I'll guess I'll look into them tomorrow or Monday or so
  134. # [16:02] <annevk> wow, there's lots of people who linked to that story overnight
  135. # [16:02] <jgraham> Dashiva: One of the suggestions I'm going to add to my list for Anne is to mention that nesting <section> alters heading depth like <h1>-<h6>
  136. # [16:03] <annevk> Yeah, we should probably group some of the new elements together that take part in a model
  137. # [16:03] <annevk> maybe also have a table at the end that has all the differences as a simple overview including links to the spec or something
  138. # [16:06] <hsivonen> are there cases when "insertion point" is not either undefined or just before the next input character?
  139. # [16:07] * annevk isn't sure
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  141. # [16:08] <hsivonen> annevk: does html5lib support document.write()?
  142. # [16:08] <annevk> in theory
  143. # [16:09] <annevk> we have a stream that you can inject into
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  145. # [16:09] <hsivonen> ok. I wonder if I should implement tokenizer-level support for document.write()
  146. # [16:09] <hsivonen> if I do, it'll be asynchronous
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  148. # [16:10] <hsivonen> so that the method will return immediately and the caller may listen to an event indicating when the buffer has been parsed
  149. # [16:10] <hsivonen> I'm not sure whether all this is worth the trouble, though
  150. # [16:11] <annevk> prolly not
  151. # [16:15] <hsivonen> it would be reasonably easy to push the current input buffer state on a stack if the insertion point is never weirder than "before the next input character"
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  175. # [19:01] <Jero> I assume this is in the close tag open state? http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=900&to=901
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