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  121. # [09:08] <hsivonen> "Blindly following
  122. # [09:08] <hsivonen> standards is being "enterprise" but bowing to a different master. "
  123. # [09:08] <hsivonen> (from the Rails discussion)
  124. # [09:09] <hsivonen> for context "I don't care if the browser is really treating my xhtml as invalid
  125. # [09:09] <hsivonen> html4. That has had zero impact on my work."
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  156. # [15:05] <zcorpan> hsivonen: do you have a pointer as to why the html 4.0 transitional doctype with url has to trigger quirks mode?
  157. # [15:06] <hsivonen> zcorpan: yeah. one of the bug numbers I remember. :-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42525
  158. # [15:07] <hsivonen> zcorpan: it was needed for apple.com before the Almost Standards Mode existed
  159. # [15:08] <hsivonen> zcorpan: when the Almost Standards Mode was introduced, changing the quirkiness of the 4.0 doctype was seen as unnecessary and something that would just shake the stability of sniffing
  160. # [15:10] <hsivonen> zcorpan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154683
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  171. # [15:42] <zcorpan> hsivonen: thanks
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  187. # [17:20] <ROBOd> hey guys
  188. # [17:21] <ROBOd> what's up with the Window specification? the one being worked on by the Web API group http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/Window/publish/Window.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
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  190. # [17:22] <ROBOd> it seems as a duplicate of the Browsing contexts section from HTML 5 (and not only, there's session history and navigation in HTML 5 as well)
  191. # [17:24] <othermaciej> ROBOd: it was an attempt to spec the Window object independently of HTML5 so it could be sensibly used for non-HTML languages and such
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  205. # [18:23] <YaaL> http://42.pl/u/utb
  206. # [18:23] <YaaL> Oops
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  209. # [18:32] <ROBOd> othermaciej: is the spec "abandoned"? Window 1.0
  210. # [18:33] <othermaciej> ROBOd: not explicitly, although I'm not sure if it's worth continuing effort with HTML5 under w3c auspices now
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  212. # [18:35] <ROBOd> othermaciej: that's what i was thinking... what's now defined in the HTML 5 spec is more mature (and better) than the Window 1.0 spec
  213. # [18:38] <othermaciej> ROBOd: I haven't read over what HTML5 says lately
  214. # [18:38] <othermaciej> ROBOd: if I or anyone else worked on that spec, I would recommend plagiarizing HTML5
  215. # [18:40] <ROBOd> i'm reading the entire html5 spec - i want to get know all of it. of course, not in minute details, but i want to be aware of the entire set of functionality, how it works, etc
  216. # [18:40] <ROBOd> while doing that, i also contribute with comments, reporting errors and such
  217. # [18:40] <zcorpan> and write test cases? :)
  218. # [18:40] <ROBOd> othermaciej: what do you mean by ... "recommend plagiarizing html5"?
  219. # [18:41] <othermaciej> zcorpan: I actually already wrote a bunch of test cases
  220. # [18:41] <othermaciej> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/WindowTestSuite/
  221. # [18:41] <ROBOd> zcorpan: hehe, that's next. ;) after i'm "done" with review the spec, i'm interesting in writing test cases and/or implementations for various algorithms
  222. # [18:41] <othermaciej> there's html, xhtml and svg versions of all the tests autogenerated from a common source
  223. # [18:41] <ROBOd> (i'm talking of html5)
  224. # [18:42] <ROBOd> *i'm interested
  225. # [18:42] <zcorpan> othermaciej: nice!
  226. # [18:42] <othermaciej> in theory it could also make versions of all those that use other scripting languages too
  227. # [18:42] <othermaciej> (at one point it seemed interesting to have Java versions)
  228. # [18:43] <othermaciej> here's an example of what the test output looks like: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/webapi/WindowTestSuite/publish/html/ecmascript/browsing-contexts/Window-window.html?rev=1.1&content-type=text/html;%20charset=iso-8859-1
  229. # [18:43] <othermaciej> btw I highly recommend my test framework for anyone who wants to make DOM tests
  230. # [18:43] <ROBOd> working on TCs and implementations of some stuff will allow me to provide more in-depth comments on the html5 spec
  231. # [18:43] <ROBOd> othermaciej: i'll look into that
  232. # [18:44] <othermaciej> the test framework is here: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/ReTest/
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  245. # [19:43] <dglazkov> in a good way
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