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  1. # Session Start: Sun Dec 30 00:00:00 2007
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  11. # [00:57] <G0k> oy all
  12. # [00:57] <G0k> are there any test cases for cross-document messaging?
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  14. # [01:12] <jgraham> G0k: I'm not aware of any off the top of my head
  15. # [01:13] <jgraham> But I have rather less than encyclopedic knowledge on the subject
  16. # [01:14] <G0k> k
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  32. # [02:45] * Hixie learns about setAttributeNodeNS
  33. # [02:45] <Hixie> wtf
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  39. # [04:14] <weinig> Hixie: for real, even the DOM 3 spec doesn't seem to really understand what it is for
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  45. # [05:23] <Hixie> 41 tests so far
  46. # [05:25] <MacDome> sah
  47. # [05:25] <MacDome> sigh
  48. # [05:25] <MacDome> rather
  49. # [05:25] <Hixie> hm?
  50. # [05:27] <MacDome> Hixie: was just looking at our current failure status
  51. # [05:27] <Hixie> did it get worse?
  52. # [05:27] <MacDome> yeah, 87 instead of 88
  53. # [05:27] <Hixie> hehe
  54. # [05:27] <MacDome> Hixie: some of these are intentionally "broken" in Safari: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6179
  55. # [05:27] <Hixie> hmm, 59 tests still for me to write
  56. # [05:30] <Hixie> MacDome: i'm willing to take keywords out if you think some should be taken out
  57. # [05:31] <Hixie> MacDome: what do you suggest?
  58. # [05:31] <MacDome> Hixie: well, that bug links to various test cases which FF and WK prepared to test reserved words, and we tested against IE to match IE
  59. # [05:31] <Hixie> i removd the future reserved words
  60. # [05:32] <MacDome> I believe we match IE: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=206492&action=view
  61. # [05:33] <MacDome> interesting: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/ECMAScript_DontEnum_attribute
  62. # [05:37] <Hixie> interesting indeed
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  64. # [05:44] <MacDome> Hixie: did you find some list of what .constructor properties should be DontDelete or ReadOnly?
  65. # [05:44] <MacDome> they're all DontEnum
  66. # [05:45] <Hixie> i only tested Function's
  67. # [05:45] <MacDome> Hixie: I'll make a more comprehensive test and fix them all if I can find a list
  68. # [05:48] * MacDome is confused by what (new Function).prototype would mean
  69. # [05:48] <MacDome> I guess that's the function prototype, which is differnet from the function constructor
  70. # [05:49] <MacDome> but is (new Function).prototype == Function.prototype? I would think not.
  71. # [05:49] * MacDome always gets turned around by JS
  72. # [05:51] <kig> new Function().prototype, the prototype property of the newly-created function object (i.e. the prototype to be used when the function is used as a constructor)
  73. # [05:51] <kig> ...i think
  74. # [05:52] <Hixie> (new Function).prototype is null, no?
  75. # [05:52] <Hixie> or am i thinking of (new function() { }).prototype
  76. # [05:53] * takkaria chuckles
  77. # [05:53] <kig> it's an empty object
  78. # [05:54] <kig> (at least in firefox)
  79. # [05:54] <kig> new Function().__proto__ == Function.prototype => true, new Function().prototype == Function.prototype => false
  80. # [05:55] <MacDome> yeah
  81. # [05:55] <MacDome> Hixie: so you're grabbing at (function() {}).prototype
  82. # [05:56] <MacDome> ah
  83. # [06:02] * MacDome doesn't know what (function() {}).prototype means
  84. # [06:03] <Hixie> i've no idea what specifically you are talking about, btw
  85. # [06:06] <MacDome> Hixie: I'm just tryign to relearn prototypes in JS for the 18th time. /me goes back to reading http://mckoss.com/jscript/object.htm
  86. # [06:06] * MacDome gets confused by .constructor vs. .prototype vs. .__proto__
  87. # [06:08] * MacDome thinks .__proto__ == .contructor.prototype
  88. # [06:23] <Hixie> __proto__ is [[Prototype]] in the spec
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  92. # [07:45] <Hixie> 46 done, 54 to go
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  96. # [08:45] <heycam> Hixie, what spec is __proto__ in? i couldn't see it in ecma-262.
  97. # [08:45] <heycam> is it a JavaScript-specific thing?
  98. # [08:45] <Hixie> it's proprietary, yes
  99. # [08:46] <heycam> which spec?
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  101. # [09:03] <Hixie> it's proprietary, as in, no spec
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  105. # [10:08] <hsivonen> Philip`: Validator.nu is now non-XML-character-proof: http://validator.nu/?out=xhtml&doc=http%3A%2F%2Fgolem.ph.utexas.edu%2Finstiki%2Fsearch%3Fquery%3D%2500&showsource=yes
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  125. # [15:00] <Philip`> hsivonen: Looks like that site is now non-XML-character-proof (at least to some extent) so it doesn't work as a demo any more :'-(
  126. # [15:05] <Philip`> hsivonen: By the way, when a page like http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/instiki/search?query=%00 returns XHTML in the error response, it would be very helpful if the validator could validate that XHTML (instead of simply complaining about the HTTP status)
  127. # [15:07] <hsivonen> Philip`: yeah, validating error pages is on the feature request list
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  129. # [16:24] <hsivonen> what's the point of SVG Print?
  130. # [16:29] <Philip`> hsivonen: Replacing PostScript in printers? (That's just a totally uninformed guess based on the name)
  131. # [16:37] <hsivonen> Philip`: is there a good technical reason to seek to replace PostScript or PDF as the means of driving printers?
  132. # [16:39] <hsivonen> It seems to me that a RIP that eats PDF 1.4 is the peak of development as far as driving printers goes
  133. # [16:42] <Philip`> Looks like Canon is quite involved in editing SVG Print - is it something that's been driven by them, or do other companies care too?
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  135. # [16:55] <mpt> So Adobe pushed SVG as an alternative to Flash/Flex, until they bought Macromedia
  136. # [16:56] <mpt> Now Canon is pushing SVG Print as an alternative to PDF?
  137. # [16:58] <hsivonen> and HP has been involved in XHTML-Print...
  138. # [16:58] <mpt> My irony meter is warbling
  139. # [17:03] <hsivonen> seeking to replace Flash makes sense because Flash is a single-vendor technology
  140. # [17:03] <hsivonen> seeking to replace PDF makes no sense
  141. # [17:04] <hsivonen> since PDF is a remarkably interoperably implemented multivendor technology in practice
  142. # [17:04] <hsivonen> even if the spec comes from a single vendor
  143. # [17:15] <mpt> So the next illogical step would be for Quark to jump on board
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  194. # [23:59] <Lachy__> gsnedders, check that you're still subscribed and then check that there isn't some spam filter blocking it somewhere
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