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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 21 00:00:00 2008
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  6. # [00:10] <mcarter> the default port for wss:// would be 443 then, I assume
  7. # [00:14] <MikeSmith> annevk: URL for your Reboot session/proposal?
  8. # [00:16] <Hixie> yes
  9. # [00:16] <Hixie> i suppose so
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  16. # [00:37] <Lachy> OMG! Rob's resonse on bug 5772 about IDs is ridiculous. I give up.
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  19. # [00:41] * Hixie sends google's feedback on the geolocation charter
  20. # [00:46] <hober> Lachy: yeah, I couldn't make heads or tails of it
  21. # [00:48] <Hixie> well he didn't remove the NEEDSINFO
  22. # [00:49] <Hixie> so i don't see it on my list!
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  24. # [00:58] <Lachy> Hixie, his last comment that I was talking about on that bug was the one before yours
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  26. # [00:59] <Hixie> oh ok
  27. # [00:59] <Hixie> my comment was "wtf" right?
  28. # [00:59] <Lachy> I'm sure he'll reopen it again later and you'll have the pleasure of reading it then
  29. # [00:59] <Lachy> yeah
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  31. # [01:01] <Lachy> I don't get how allowing duplicate IDs doesn't defeat the purpose of an attribute designed as a unique identifier, or how he can claim that "backwards compatible part is a red herring here" and then point out that it doesn't work at all in existing UAs, in the same sentence.
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  34. # [01:06] <Hixie> those things don't even seem related enough to be in the same sentence
  35. # [01:10] <Hixie> i'm tired of physhers telling me my google adwords account has been locked
  36. # [01:10] <Hixie> hello, i work for google, morons
  37. # [01:10] <jcranmer> if they were smart, they wouldn't be phishing
  38. # [01:10] <jcranmer> after all, it's against several laws
  39. # [01:11] <Philip`> jcranmer: I don't see why it's non-smart to break laws, if the benefit is great enough to outweigh the risks
  40. # [01:11] <Philip`> It would be irrational to *not* break the law in those situations
  41. # [01:11] <jcranmer> also, most of them have problems with basic grammar
  42. # [01:11] <jcranmer> Philip`: if you're perfectly rational, you're closer to a chimp than to a human
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  44. # [01:13] <Philip`> jcranmer: That seems untrue, since chimps aren't very good at collecting and analysing data in order to make informed decisions
  45. # [01:13] <jcranmer> I also recall reading a particular French phishing scam that sounded quite Franglais to my French teacher
  46. # [01:13] <jcranmer> Philip`: I'd have to find the article
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  48. # [01:14] <Philip`> jcranmer: You're not allowed to introduce facts into the argument - that would just be unfair
  49. # [01:15] <jcranmer> :-)
  50. # [01:15] <jcranmer> well, who said life was fair?
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  53. # [01:46] <Hixie> hsivonen: see the "also searched for" on http://trends.google.com/websites?q=w3.org&geo=all&date=all
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  56. # [01:53] <Philip`> http://trends.google.com/websites?q=whatwg.org - why did it die in February?
  57. # [01:56] * jcranmer blames himself for half the xpath searches
  58. # [01:57] <jcranmer> Philip`: "No Data Available"
  59. # [01:59] <Philip`> jcranmer: It doesn't say that in the "all years" mode - it just shows something that looks suspiciously like the ears of a cat peeking over a wall, and misleads the viewer into thinking nobody visited whatwg.org at all :-(
  60. # [02:03] <jcranmer> maybe it's supposed to salute Hixie?
  61. # [02:03] <jcranmer> I zoomed into the last 30 days, though
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  63. # [02:34] <Hixie> i expect people don't search for whatwg very much
  64. # [02:38] <jcranmer> I still like the idea of deliberately munging the results to vaguely resemble cat's ears
  65. # [02:47] <Hixie> wtf. |iframe.src = "foo"| means something different in safari depending on the encoding of the document that contains the iframe
  66. # [02:48] <Hixie> regardless of the encoding of the JS file or the document that actually does the setting
  67. # [02:58] <Hixie> s/in safari//
  68. # [03:00] <Hixie> guess i'll have to do it all over again with a different URI thing. <a href target> or something.
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  83. # [03:35] <mcarter> good evening
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  134. # [11:00] <zcorpan_> Hixie: i've started work on dom5 core
  135. # [11:00] <zcorpan_> Hixie: but so far i'm mostly collecting what needs to be done
  136. # [11:00] <zcorpan_> some notes saved in http://del.icio.us/zcorpan/dom5core
  137. # [11:00] <zcorpan_> i wonder if i can drop cdata sections
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  139. # [11:10] <deane> zcorpan_: I like Lachy's direct approach: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/xhtml/20070413#l-196
  140. # [11:14] <Lachy> zcorpan_, do any browsers support cdata nodes? If not, then I would definitely recommend dropping it
  141. # [11:21] <zcorpan_> Lachy: they do
  142. # [11:21] <roc> you mean [[CDATA syntax?
  143. # [11:21] <zcorpan_> roc: no, CDATASection nodes
  144. # [11:22] <roc> oh yeah
  145. # [11:22] <roc> we support that
  146. # [11:23] <zcorpan_> opera does too
  147. # [11:25] <Lachy> that's unfortunate. Representing syntactic sugar like CDATA sections in the DOM is just silly.
  148. # [11:25] <zcorpan_> a lot of things in the DOM are silly
  149. # [11:26] <Lachy> though, I wonder if anyone actually depends on them.
  150. # [11:26] <zcorpan_> i hope not :)
  151. # [11:26] <Lachy> it could be hard to know, since the DOM is used by more than just browsers.
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  153. # [11:26] <Lachy> PHP supports it
  154. # [11:26] <zcorpan_> well i care less about php
  155. # [11:29] <Lachy> yeah, but we can't ignore them entirely. Although we can optimise the spec for browsers.
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  157. # [11:36] <annevk> we can ignore them
  158. # [11:36] <annevk> I think
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  177. # [15:40] <Philip`> Why do browsers find it so hard to blend one image on top of another, without completely messing everything up? :-(
  178. # [15:41] * Philip` discovered that WebKit is totally broken when doing drawImage(canvas, ...), and Opera 9.5 is totally broken for drawImage(canvas|image, ...) on Windows though it works perfectly fine on Linux
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  183. # [17:11] <Dashiva> Philip`: It could just be lack of people yelling at them for it :)
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  190. # [20:18] <Dashiva> "There are some very important issues here that should at be aired to the entire WG if they cannot be resolved here."
  191. # [20:18] <Dashiva> If they're very important, shouldn't they be aired to the entire WG to begin with?
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