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  16. # [01:04] <annevk> AryehGregor, we hired someone who works from New York
  17. # [01:05] <annevk> AryehGregor, it depends on the position really, but we have several people working from home, including people working on the Core engine
  18. # [01:05] * annevk works from home too
  19. # [01:05] <annevk> mostly
  20. # [01:07] * gsnedders works from home
  21. # [01:14] <Hixie> annevk: wait, what's this about onformchange?
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  24. # [01:20] <annevk> Hixie, you can do it via event capture instead
  25. # [01:20] <annevk> Hixie, you lose the event handler shortcuts, but the disadvantage is not very big, and the feature is not a major win
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  29. # [01:25] <annevk> i wouldn't count on it
  30. # [01:26] <gsnedders> Or playing it till 3am when they're having an early night
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  32. # [01:36] <Hixie> annevk: how do you do capture handlers in markup? i don't understand
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  34. # [01:38] <jamesr_> annevk: any thoughts on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0022.html ?
  35. # [01:40] <jamesr_> it's about XHR2's overrideMimeType
  36. # [01:43] <annevk> Hixie, well you don't
  37. # [01:43] <Hixie> annevk: that's the whole point of the feature
  38. # [01:44] <Hixie> so you can do e.g. <output onforminput="value = a.value * b.value"></output>
  39. # [01:45] <annevk> sure, but is that really worth all the added complexity?
  40. # [01:45] <Hixie> what extra complexity? it's two events
  41. # [01:45] <annevk> and two methods, no?
  42. # [01:45] <annevk> I don't care strongly
  43. # [01:46] <annevk> just happy to nuke features until demand is stronger
  44. # [01:46] <annevk> jamesr_, right yeah, I should answer that
  45. # [01:46] <annevk> jamesr_, I sort of wonder if it isn't already a problem with having both responseText and responseXML
  46. # [01:47] <jamesr_> .rT and .rX use the same encoding, no?
  47. # [01:47] <Hixie> well the methods just make things simpler to trigger
  48. # [01:47] <jamesr_> we just pass .rT to the XML parser to generate responseXML
  49. # [01:47] <annevk> jamesr_, I don't really like putting the complexity on authors; Mozilla indicated they would be willing to have both responseArrayBuffer and responseText; so did Maciej
  50. # [01:48] <jamesr_> responseArrayBuffer is orthogonal
  51. # [01:48] <annevk> no not really
  52. # [01:48] <jamesr_> if you are touching responseArrayBuffer then the overrideMimeType is irrelevant (since you are touching the raw bytes)
  53. # [01:48] <annevk> if responseArrayBuffer is always there overrideMimeType always working would not be an issue
  54. # [01:48] <jamesr_> i don't think so
  55. # [01:49] <jamesr_> depends on the exact semantics of responseArrayBuffer
  56. # [01:49] <annevk> because you could just recompute responseText et al when asked for
  57. # [01:49] <jamesr_> but that would _suck_ hardcore
  58. # [01:49] <jamesr_> re-decoding on access is unfeasible for XHR
  59. # [01:49] <jamesr_> i think mozilla tried that once
  60. # [01:49] <jamesr_> after you decode you have to store the decoded text
  61. # [01:49] <annevk> the Gecko developers are the ones not opposed
  62. # [01:49] <annevk> well sure, you can cache it
  63. # [01:50] <jamesr_> gecko doesn't support overrideMimeType as it is currently spec'd
  64. # [01:50] <annevk> I'm not saying you shouldn't do that
  65. # [01:50] <jamesr_> i don't think overrideMimeType should require keeping extra copies of the data around. whether responseArrayBuffer does is another discussion (that should probably happen on the list)
  66. # [01:51] <annevk> if responseArrayBuffer is always there I don't think that overrideMimeType always working adds much complexity
  67. # [01:51] <annevk> if resonseArrayBuffer is not always there that changes things
  68. # [01:52] <jamesr_> i don't think allowing overrideMimeType at arbitrary times adds much value, either
  69. # [01:52] <annevk> and yes, that should be discussed on the list; I myself have been occupied with some other things
  70. # [01:53] <jamesr_> the practical side of this is that pretty much everything in the world currently touches responseText and responseText only, so it's really important that we not regress that use case
  71. # [01:54] <jamesr_> anyway i understand being busy :). please respond when you do get a chance
  72. # [01:55] <jamesr_> i'm out for a while myself so i may not reply instantly
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  75. # [01:55] <annevk> *sleep*
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  118. # [04:01] <MikeSmith> sroussey: hola
  119. # [04:02] <sroussey> Hi
  120. # [04:05] <sroussey> So maybe next week I can come up with some idea of what a console object should contain. Some things are well supported (console.log) and some are not (console.groupCollapsed) across browsers. It would be nice if debug code didn't have to have browser switches.
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  122. # [04:09] <Aleoss> TotalValidator says I should use the summary attribute of the table element to make it comply with WAI, but when I put it in, it says that I should consider an alternative to summary. Any ideas? I'm using HTML5.
  123. # [04:10] <Aleoss> Anyone?
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  126. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> sroussey: that would be good
  127. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> sroussey: this is probably one the best places to get quick feedback
  128. # [04:15] <sroussey> :) Good to know
  129. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> Aleoss: no idea what TotalValidator is
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  143. # [04:47] * micheil is now known as micheil_away
  144. # [04:58] <MikeSmith> I supposed "i utvikling" is probably not the best way to translate "in development"
  145. # [05:00] <MikeSmith> hmm
  146. # [05:00] <MikeSmith> or maybe it is
  147. # [05:00] <MikeSmith> http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwareudvikling
  148. # [05:01] <MikeSmith> is ud-/ut- a prefix of some kind?
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  151. # [05:07] <MikeSmith> out
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  153. # [05:12] <MikeSmith> vikling = winding?
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  158. # [05:52] <aho> i want the jng format back
  159. # [05:53] <aho> in those cases where it makes sense to use, png32 is the only option, but unfortunately png32 is *much* larger
  160. # [05:53] <aho> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195280 <- nowadays their reasoning looks sorta silly
  161. # [05:54] <aho> given that i've seen sites which use a >300kb png32 as workaround
  162. # [05:55] <aho> mng is sorta pointless though
  163. # [05:55] <aho> but just jng... how hard could it be? :>
  164. # [05:56] <aho> i mean... if you can decode jpg and if you can read a png... you already got all the parts you need for reading jng
  165. # [05:56] <aho> (yea, this isn't really the right place for this... just rambling a bit here) :>
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  167. # [06:00] <MikeSmith> what would be a good precise term to classify Firebug, Web Inspector, Dragonfly, etc.?
  168. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> Web developer debugging tools?
  169. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> Web application debugging tools
  170. # [06:04] <MikeSmith> or thinking of it in terms of what aspects of the tools have potential to be standardized across apps
  171. # [06:04] <MikeSmith> interfaces
  172. # [06:04] <aho> "web development tools" is used by wikipedia
  173. # [06:04] <MikeSmith> like the console object
  174. # [06:04] <MikeSmith> aho: yeah, not nearly precise enough for my needs
  175. # [06:04] <MikeSmith> Dreamweaver is a "web development tool"
  176. # [06:04] <aho> so is filezilla ;)
  177. # [06:05] <MikeSmith> "Web application debugging" interfaces
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  179. # [06:05] <aho> but yea, it's odd that there doesnt seem to be a better name for this stuff
  180. # [06:05] <MikeSmith> dunno if "debugging" is the best word
  181. # [06:05] <MikeSmith> I guess I will go with "debugging" for now
  182. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> and "Web application debugging"
  183. # [06:06] <aho> you dont necessarily do debugging with it though
  184. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> rather than "Web developer debugging"
  185. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> aho: so what other tasks do you do?
  186. # [06:06] <aho> you can write css with it :>
  187. # [06:06] <MikeSmith> "debugging" is a pretty loose term in practice
  188. # [06:07] <aho> you can also do performance analysis stuff
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  190. # [06:13] <MikeSmith> hmm
  191. # [06:13] <MikeSmith> true
  192. # [06:14] <MikeSmith> we have a group for that already
  193. # [06:14] <MikeSmith> Web Performance WG
  194. # [06:14] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/
  195. # [06:15] <MikeSmith> but that scope is too limiting
  196. # [06:15] <MikeSmith> it's only about performance
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  198. # [06:19] <MikeSmith> sroussey: any suggestions?
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  207. # [06:42] <MikeSmith> goodbye datagrid
  208. # [06:42] <MikeSmith> we barely knew yah
  209. # [06:47] <karlcow> http://ajaxian.com/archives/birth-of-the-datagrid-element-in-html-5
  210. # [06:48] <karlcow> http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-31
  211. # [06:48] <karlcow> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2961&to=2962
  212. # [06:48] <karlcow> was looking for the inception date 2009-04-18
  213. # [06:49] <karlcow> to http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5643&to=5644 2010-10-22 23:12
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  265. # [10:59] <annevk> yay Hixie for writing up that CP for ISSUE-27
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  268. # [11:10] <annevk> I do hope we get a replacement for <datagrid> within some reasonable amount of time
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  270. # [11:23] <hsivonen> annevk: <table> + ARIA + JS lib
  271. # [11:27] <annevk> right, as I said...
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  312. # [14:44] <webr3> annevk, anybody from opera, is CORS "Access-Control-Allow-Origin" supported by opera?
  313. # [14:44] <gsnedders> webr3: No
  314. # [14:44] <gsnedders> webr3: But will be in future
  315. # [14:45] <webr3> lol gsnedders!
  316. # [14:45] <webr3> thought best to double check that one :p
  317. # [14:45] <gsnedders> webr3: Well, I _do_ fall into the "anybody from opera" category :)
  318. # [14:46] <Dashiva> What if I work for an opera house?
  319. # [14:48] <webr3> gsnedders, cool didn't realise - and thus apologies!
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  321. # [14:48] <gsnedders> webr3: Not realizing seemed like the plausible explanation — no need to apologize! :)
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  359. # [17:44] <sroussey> MikeSmith: we sometimes loosely use "Browser Tools" or Browser Developer Tools. Note that I've seen people reuse Web Inspector to attach to V8/node server side javascript, but I don't think we need worry about that for the console object
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  361. # [17:49] <micheil_mbp> sroussey: I've not seen that with v8/node, got a link?
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  364. # [17:53] <sroussey> http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector
  365. # [18:01] <micheil> ah
  366. # [18:01] <micheil> I always thought that was console based
  367. # [18:01] <micheil> (command line)
  368. # [18:10] <sroussey> It is, but you can have an agent relay events to a a browser, even events that are happening in the server itself
  369. # [18:10] <micheil> ah, cool
  370. # [18:10] <micheil> I've never really looked at it much
  371. # [18:13] <MikeSmith> sroussey: it seems like "browser tools" could mean a whole lot of things
  372. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> and "browser developer tools" sounds like something for developing browsers
  373. # [18:14] <sroussey> yes, true...
  374. # [18:15] <sroussey> Then you are back to "Web Developer Tools for Browsers" or some such.
  375. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> I'm at "Web application debugging"
  376. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> I'm not even sure about "tools"
  377. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> because what I need to describe are not the tools
  378. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> but the scope
  379. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> I am thinking "analysis" is another word that could be used
  380. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> "Web application analysis and debugging"
  381. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> maybe
  382. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> it's never fun to try to pick a name for any of this stuff
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  388. # [18:33] <sroussey> No it is not!
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  390. # [18:34] <sroussey> No fun at all... but "Web application analysis and debugging" is pretty decent
  391. # [18:34] <Aleoss> MikeSmith: Pick an acronym that can sound dirty. ;)
  392. # [18:34] <sroussey> Probably the most accurate I've seen
  393. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> Aleoss: I always try
  394. # [18:35] <Aleoss> MikeSmith: Examples: CLIT (Continuum Level/INI Toolkit) or ASSS (A Small Subspace Server) for this game called Continuum
  395. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> heh
  396. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> I like the way you think
  397. # [18:35] <sroussey> Heh, makes WAAD seem so pedestrian
  398. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> :)
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  401. # [18:40] <Aleoss> MikeSmith: Just do WAD (Web Analysis Debugging) and figure out how to prefix CUM to the start of it.
  402. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> that's what we need more of
  403. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> for the Web platform
  404. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> more Redd Foxx
  405. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> more Chinga Chavin
  406. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> more Blowfly
  407. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> or short of that, more Kool Keith at least
  408. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> or more Kinky Friedman
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  438. # [20:26] <eboyjr> I have a proposol for the DOM
  439. # [20:27] <eboyjr> I think that there should be an event for when window.location.href changes
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  441. # [20:27] <eboyjr> Right now polling is not really the best way to do it
  442. # [20:27] <eboyjr> That's all thanks
  443. # [20:27] <eboyjr> :)
  444. # [20:28] <boogyman> eboyjr: as with the other channel, it's still okay to NOT use the enter button as punctuation :-s
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  446. # [20:29] <eboyjr> boogyman: Yeah whoops :/
  447. # [20:30] <Dashiva> eboyjr: Isn't that what onhashchange does?
  448. # [20:32] <eboyjr> Dashiva: Yeah it does, -.- thanks
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  458. # [21:18] <karlcow> .
  459. # [21:19] * karlcow is not sure to understand hixie's answer. It seems to move the outpost of the issue. (cf. rel)
  460. # [21:20] <karlcow> RISKS
  461. # [21:20] <karlcow> We might have to update the spec at some point in the future if for
  462. # [21:20] <karlcow> whatever reason the registry moves to another URL. However, that's a risk
  463. # [21:20] <karlcow> regardless of what solution we use, since if someone sets up a competing
  464. # [21:20] <karlcow> registry that wins in the market, we'd have to update the spec to point to
  465. # [21:20] <karlcow> that registry even if the previosuly "official" one still existed.
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  468. # [21:21] * karlcow wonders if a separate spec for rel values if it is expected to change more often would be needed and then could be used by other specs.
  469. # [21:23] <Hixie> the HTML spec is going to change far more often than the rel spec
  470. # [21:27] <karlcow> ok so no issue and no risk.
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  477. # [22:46] <MikeSmith> I can see it making sense to have a rel spec that normatively references the HTML5 spec
  478. # [22:46] <MikeSmith> and possibly other specs
  479. # [22:47] <MikeSmith> like the RFC that mnot mentions that defines use of the license link type for Atom
  480. # [22:48] <MikeSmith> I especially can see it making sense if it calms some people down and lets us move on
  481. # [22:49] <Ms2ger> You think those people are ready to be calmed down?
  482. # [22:50] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: maybe not, but I hope it might help to redirect some energy to other places
  483. # [22:50] <MikeSmith> other places where it might be more productively applied
  484. # [22:51] <MikeSmith> it would be great if we had more people who understood the spirit of the "Something is wrong on the Internet" meme
  485. # [22:56] <Dashiva> Did you mean: Someone is wrong on the internet
  486. # [22:57] <Ms2ger> He meant "MikeSmith is wrong on the Internet."
  487. # [22:58] <MikeSmith> I am definitely wrooong
  488. # [22:58] <MikeSmith> just like am baaad
  489. # [22:58] <Dashiva> Can you please stop, I want to sleep tonight...
  490. # [22:58] <MikeSmith> and I am wicked
  491. # [22:59] <MikeSmith> I am the mutha who put the word "fuck" in muthafucker.
  492. # [23:00] <Dashiva> So how would you translate badass into Japanese?
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  494. # [23:02] <MikeSmith> hmm
  495. # [23:02] <MikeSmith> good question
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  497. # [23:02] <paul_irish> does a media query change selector specificity?
  498. # [23:03] <paul_irish> feels like it should.. though i see nothing in the specs indicating that.
  499. # [23:03] <MikeSmith> paul_irish: not in the CSS specs either?
  500. # [23:03] <MikeSmith> I mean, not just in the selector api spec
  501. # [23:04] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: I do realize the comic is "someone", but I think the meme is more about "something"
  502. # [23:04] <MikeSmith> but maybe that's just me
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  504. # [23:04] <Dashiva> I think so
  505. # [23:05] <MikeSmith> well, then, no wonder more people don't understand it!
  506. # [23:05] <MikeSmith> I'm the only one who uses it that way
  507. # [23:05] <Dashiva> See the title text of the comic
  508. # [23:06] <MikeSmith> yeah, I remember that
  509. # [23:06] <MikeSmith> "they won't quit being wrong"
  510. # [23:06] <MikeSmith> or whatever it says
  511. # [23:07] <MikeSmith> anyway, something is clearly wrong on the Internet, if people can't just can't think about particular memes the same way I do
  512. # [23:07] <MikeSmith> paul_irish: I am looking at the specs now
  513. # [23:07] <MikeSmith> fwiw
  514. # [23:07] <Dashiva> But surely it's not only wrong on the internet :P
  515. # [23:08] <MikeSmith> heh
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  517. # [23:09] <paul_irish> MikeSmith: just tested it in everywhere but IE and media queries seem to not increase specifity
  518. # [23:09] <MikeSmith> paul_irish: maybe dbaron would now
  519. # [23:09] <MikeSmith> *know
  520. # [23:09] <karlcow> someone can't be wrong in Japan :)
  521. # [23:10] <paul_irish> MikeSmith: Should i file a ticket somewhere so this can be noted in the selector api spec?
  522. # [23:10] <dbaron> media queries don't increase specificity
  523. # [23:10] <paul_irish> ta
  524. # [23:10] <MikeSmith> paul_irish: should file if it's not clear, yeah
  525. # [23:11] <MikeSmith> dbaron: is there a particular place in a spec where this is addressed that paul_irish might have missed?
  526. # [23:11] <dbaron> well, the spec doesn't say anything about them increasing specificity
  527. # [23:11] <dbaron> so there's no particular place
  528. # [23:11] <MikeSmith> heh
  529. # [23:11] <MikeSmith> fair enough
  530. # [23:12] <MikeSmith> so it might be worth adding something to make it clear
  531. # [23:12] <MikeSmith> I think anne is the one working most actively on the MQ spec right now
  532. # [23:12] <MikeSmith> paul_irish: CSS WG doesn't use bugzilla and doesn't have an automated tracker otherwise
  533. # [23:12] <MikeSmith> iirc
  534. # [23:13] <paul_irish> Oh! :) okay. i'll just bug anne next time i see him
  535. # [23:13] <MikeSmith> last time I had changes about MQ spec to suggest, I e-mailed them to anne and cc'ed www-archive
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  537. # [23:18] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: あいつすごい
  538. # [23:18] <MikeSmith> maybe
  539. # [23:18] <MikeSmith> すげぇあいつ
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  541. # [23:19] <MikeSmith> あいつスゲーなー
  542. # [23:19] <MikeSmith> etc.
  543. # [23:20] <karlcow> déclaration d'amour
  544. # [23:21] * Ms2ger wonders why there's no bugzilla component for web dom core
  545. # [23:21] <karlcow> すげぇ… hmmm ちょっと…
  546. # [23:21] <MikeSmith> やべあいつ
  547. # [23:21] <Dashiva> MikeSmith: Doesn't seem to convey the bad part of badass, though...
  548. # [23:21] <Dashiva> Maybe there are no badasses in Japan
  549. # [23:21] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: well, translation tools might not do anything useful with that
  550. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> but in practice
  551. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> やばい、すごい　＋　あいつ
  552. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> actually, probably やばい more than すごい
  553. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> these days
  554. # [23:23] <karlcow> MikeSmith: what is the context of bad ass?
  555. # [23:24] <MikeSmith> I dunno
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  557. # [23:24] <MikeSmith> normal context
  558. # [23:25] <karlcow> ok
  559. # [23:25] <karlcow> a tough, aggressive, or uncooperative person
  560. # [23:26] <MikeSmith> hmm
  561. # [23:26] <MikeSmith> maybe
  562. # [23:27] <MikeSmith> it's like the word "muthafucker" or "motherfucker"
  563. # [23:27] <MikeSmith> it could mean somebody who you think is really great
  564. # [23:27] <MikeSmith> or it could be somebody you just really hate
  565. # [23:28] <MikeSmith> it depends on how you use it
  566. # [23:28] * karlcow has someone whispering: やばい　or いかつい or あぶない
  567. # [23:28] <MikeSmith> heh
  568. # [23:28] <karlcow> in the context of really bad.
  569. # [23:28] <Dashiva> Well, it's sort of both
  570. # [23:28] <MikeSmith> karlcow: ask your sources :)
  571. # [23:29] <MikeSmith> Dashiva: you know ちょう?
  572. # [23:29] <Dashiva> They have the ready-to-be-unleashed potential of being bad, but they aren't actually bad
  573. # [23:29] <Dashiva> 超?
  574. # [23:29] <MikeSmith> this could probably use a ちょう or チョー as well
  575. # [23:29] <Dashiva> The prefix for like "super" or "way"?
  576. # [23:29] <karlcow> あいつ（that guy）,イカツイ(orやばいorあぶない)よな。
  577. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> yeah
  578. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> in sense of "super2
  579. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> karlcow: ah yeah
  580. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> イカツイ
  581. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> I hear
  582. # [23:30] <Aleoss> MikeSmith: Did you come up with a creative acronym? ;)
  583. # [23:30] <MikeSmith> sometimes
  584. # [23:30] <Dashiva> I guess that one is decent
  585. # [23:31] <karlcow> the positive way
  586. # [23:31] <karlcow> あいつ（that guy）,やばい(orきてるorかっこいい..)
  587. # [23:31] <karlcow> but the most current, (she said), would be for positive or negative is やばい
  588. # [23:31] <MikeSmith> チョーやべ、あいつ
  589. # [23:31] <karlcow> the tone makes the difference
  590. # [23:32] <MikeSmith> yeah, if you say it to somebody while they are down on the ground and you are kicking them in the ribs, it has a bit of a different meaning
  591. # [23:32] <Dashiva> Should make a new word, やばかっこ or something
  592. # [23:34] <MikeSmith> Aleoss: working on it
  593. # [23:34] <karlcow> in French, I guess I would use "connard" (for the not positive way)
  594. # [23:35] <MikeSmith> Aleoss: been listening to me Blowfly album "Punk rock party"
  595. # [23:35] <MikeSmith> for inspiration
  596. # [23:36] <MikeSmith> which is a Blowfly pinnacle
  597. # [23:36] <MikeSmith> in a long career of pinnacles
  598. # [23:36] <MikeSmith> dude always outdoes himself
  599. # [23:36] <MikeSmith> and he's like, 100 years old now or something
  600. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> he is a genuine inspiration
  601. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> he should write motivational books
  602. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> like Deepak Chopra and such
  603. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> now that would be something
  604. # [23:37] <MikeSmith> Blowfly's Guide to Life
  605. # [23:37] <karlcow> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/badass
  606. # [23:38] <slartsa> hey, someone deleted my picture from that site!
  607. # [23:39] <karlcow> slartsa: lost+found@fromthatsite.com
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  609. # [23:40] <slartsa> it's hard being sarcastic in IRC
  610. # [23:41] <karlcow> and fantastic too
  611. # [23:41] <karlcow> or more exactly on any text only communication.
  612. # [23:42] <gsnedders> I find even audio makes a lot of humour hard
  613. # [23:42] <MikeSmith> heh, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/badass is funny
  614. # [23:42] <MikeSmith> "The virile guy just looks badass."
  615. # [23:43] <MikeSmith> now, there's a real-world sentence
  616. # [23:43] <karlcow> gsnedders: yep. audio only freaks me out too. I need the look/face/body language of people to have a better understanding.
  617. # [23:44] <karlcow> I have a record of EPIC misunderstandings with online written texts.
  618. # [23:44] <MikeSmith> holy god
  619. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> you learn something new every day
  620. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> "Paradoxically, Clarence Reid is a staunch, bible-toting Christian"
  621. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> http://www.nndb.com/people/559/000087298/
  622. # [23:45] * gsnedders basically fell out with an ex-gf (i.e., this is how she became an ex) by a misunderstanding on IM
  623. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> [[
  624. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> quick to call out hypocritical Christians who chastise him for his ways. "Those muthafuckas should all sit on a giant butt plug," he says. "Most of them don't truly understand what the Bible is saying"
  625. # [23:45] * karlcow has no idea what MikeSmith is talking about :)
  626. # [23:45] <MikeSmith> amen to that
  627. # [23:46] <MikeSmith> karlcow: most nobody else does either
  628. # [23:46] <MikeSmith> I reckon
  629. # [23:46] <MikeSmith> so I will shut up
  630. # [23:46] <karlcow> no no
  631. # [23:46] <MikeSmith> hey
  632. # [23:46] <karlcow> I would prefer to understand who is clarence reid
  633. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> the "sit on a giant butt plug" part makes me think of MLW
  634. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> maybe Blowfly is MLW!!
  635. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> it so fits
  636. # [23:47] <karlcow> giant butt plug can't be that bad. OT would say it's all a question of breathing
  637. # [23:47] <MikeSmith> heh
  638. # [23:47] <Ms2ger> MLW and MikeSmith both start with an M. Coincidence?
  639. # [23:48] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: sign from God
  640. # [23:49] <karlcow> Ms2ger too with a M, and without forgetting the murderer of Dusseldorf
  641. # [23:49] <karlcow> Hans Beckert
  642. # [23:51] <karlcow> could that be a way to select Change Proposals? http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/23/old-film-rejection-s.html
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