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  14. # [00:53] <nessy> Hixie: I recently saw some SRT files that had metadata in a first cue with the cue length 0, i.e. going from 0 —> 0; I can see that as the only way to introduce file-wide metadata without breaking backwards compatibility. Do you have a better idea?
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  69. # [03:36] <boblet> hey all, anyone know the status of microdata support in WebKit?
  70. # [03:37] <boogyman> boblet: i'm sure google does
  71. # [03:38] <boblet> boogyman: thank you for your kind suggestion to lmgtfy. however I wouldn’t be asking here if I had not already done so
  72. # [03:38] <boblet> maybe my google-fu is weak today :/
  73. # [03:38] <boogyman> you'd be surprised :)
  74. # [03:39] <boogyman> google is always my first reference :)
  75. # [03:40] <boblet> when you get zero hits from http://www.google.com/search?q=site:bugs.webkit.org+microdata and your own pages coming up in the top 10 for general queries…
  76. # [03:44] <Philip`> https://bugs.webkit.org/robots.txt
  77. # [03:44] <Philip`> Not surprising if you get 0 hits :-)
  78. # [03:45] <Philip`> https://bugs.webkit.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+microdata doesn't give any hits either, though
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  80. # [03:50] <boblet> Philip`: ooh, interesting. will note for future. I did try a Bugzilla search before, but Bugzilla search sux
  81. # [03:51] <boblet> I thought I remembered reading some tweets about microdata progress in webkit from mikesmith, but Twitter search is even more broken
  82. # [03:52] <Philip`> (The "ALL" keyword in Bugzilla's quicksearch is handy, since it counts closed bugs too)
  83. # [03:53] <boogyman> any UI "sucks" if the user cannot accomplish what he/she is attempting to accomplish
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  85. # [03:56] <boblet> Philip`: again, noted for future ref. thanks for ejamakatin’ me :)
  86. # [03:56] <boblet> boogy|movie: that pretty much describes my interactions with bugzilla
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  150. # [09:07] <slinkcoding> hey
  151. # [09:08] <MikeSmith> slinkcoding: hé
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  153. # [09:08] <slinkcoding> (:
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  155. # [09:09] <MikeSmith> slinkcoding: how's things in Budapest?
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  158. # [09:10] <slinkcoding> haha besides the new goverment's craziness its as usual.
  159. # [09:10] <slinkcoding> i have a lot to work and thats fine for me (:
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  161. # [09:10] <slinkcoding> attending great html5 sessions for instance
  162. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> If the new government is crazier than the old one, that's an achievement
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  164. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> I guess the old one wasn't crazy, but just completely corrupt
  165. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> anyway
  166. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> wanted to ask you about something
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  168. # [09:11] <slinkcoding> tell me
  169. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> your elisp HTML5 parser thing
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  171. # [09:11] <MikeSmith> did you start actual word on that yet?
  172. # [09:12] <MikeSmith> because I know hober has been working on one too
  173. # [09:12] <slinkcoding> yep, he did contact me
  174. # [09:12] <MikeSmith> ah, OK
  175. # [09:13] <slinkcoding> i chose it for my thesis to write a html5 parser in elisp but had no time so far to start it
  176. # [09:14] <slinkcoding> and hober overtook mi (:
  177. # [09:14] <MikeSmith> I see
  178. # [09:14] <MikeSmith> OK
  179. # [09:14] <MikeSmith> well, maybe you can help him out some
  180. # [09:14] <MikeSmith> btw, have you looked at fab?
  181. # [09:15] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/jed/fab
  182. # [09:15] <slinkcoding> fab means what? the js pattern or the python tool
  183. # [09:15] <slinkcoding> so the pattern
  184. # [09:15] <MikeSmith> the Jed Schmidt one
  185. # [09:15] <MikeSmith> yeah
  186. # [09:15] <slinkcoding> yup, i see it
  187. # [09:15] <slinkcoding> its very interesting
  188. # [09:15] <slinkcoding> i organize a javascript meetup in budapest
  189. # [09:15] <MikeSmith> syntax is sort of lisp-ish
  190. # [09:16] <MikeSmith> oh
  191. # [09:16] <MikeSmith> cool
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  193. # [09:16] <slinkcoding> and planned to speak about fab on the next one
  194. # [09:16] <MikeSmith> great
  195. # [09:16] <slinkcoding> yeah, it has a great functional approach as I saw
  196. # [09:18] <slinkcoding> i found it particularly interesting because most of the js patterns and frameworks rely on the classical oo approach
  197. # [09:18] <slinkcoding> while js has strong functional roots
  198. # [09:18] <slinkcoding> and fab is a good example how to exploit it
  199. # [09:20] <slinkcoding> anyway, it was very sad to see so few people attended your session in bp
  200. # [09:21] <slinkcoding> not to mention, the communication of the hungarian office for w3c was not the best
  201. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> slinkcoding: I was pretty happy about that session
  202. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> there were about 45 people there
  203. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> but seemed like most everybody was fairly knowledgeable already about Web-platform stuff
  204. # [09:27] <slinkcoding> yeah
  205. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> e.g., everybody already seemed to have fairly detailed knowledge of Firebug
  206. # [09:28] <slinkcoding> okay, but that's somewhat also a problem
  207. # [09:28] <slinkcoding> it means there were only developers
  208. # [09:28] <slinkcoding> but html is not only about developing
  209. # [09:28] <slinkcoding> i think
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  211. # [09:31] <slinkcoding> i mean it'd had been nice to see designers too
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  213. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> true
  214. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> but I'm not a designer,
  215. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> so personally I don't have as much to say about the design side
  216. # [09:33] <slinkcoding> i argue it
  217. # [09:33] <slinkcoding> you demonstrate all the power that html5 brings
  218. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> when I speak at events, people often ask me about stuff related to CSS stuff but I usually don't know what to tell them
  219. # [09:33] <slinkcoding> its also interesting for designers
  220. # [09:34] <slinkcoding> i see
  221. # [09:37] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Oh, huh. FAB is... interesting.
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  230. # [09:55] <MikeSmith> http://saxonica.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2010/11/4/4671786.html
  231. # [10:00] <slinkcoding> interesting point
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  235. # [10:04] <TabAtkinsTPAC> slinkcoding: I... don't think so. I mean, what does Kay *want*? Supporting, say, MusicXML isn't just a matter of having an XML parser in the browser. It involves a ton of coding and testing and such. There's no way to just "make it available".
  236. # [10:06] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Had Kay actually gotten up to the mike and done the rant he wishes he did, he would have been met with a stunned silence, followed by a "You have no idea what you're trying to ask for, and I recommend you actually spend some time behind an implementation if you feel like doing that would be easy."
  237. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> TabAtkinsTPAC: i don't think it's a matter of Mike not having any idea what he's asking for
  238. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> he's an implementor
  239. # [10:07] <MikeSmith> he may not be a browser implementor
  240. # [10:08] <TabAtkinsTPAC> He's bringing up a list of things he thinks browsers should pay attention to. Paying attention takes time and effort. If we pay attention to what he wants, yet another person will be disappointed by what we no longer have time to pay attention to.
  241. # [10:09] <MikeSmith> interesting argument
  242. # [10:09] <TabAtkinsTPAC> It would be fine if his argument was "Browser vendors are paying attention to the wrong things.", but it's not.
  243. # [10:09] <TabAtkinsTPAC> He's saying "I want to be able to use anything I want, and so should everyone", which is incredibly naive, unless there's some subtle point I'm missing.
  244. # [10:10] <Workshiva> He also seems to miss the part where half the current browsers are open source, so he _can_ do anything he wants if he puts in the effort
  245. # [10:10] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Workshiva: Well, assuming his patches get accepted.
  246. # [10:11] <Workshiva> He can always fork
  247. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> true
  248. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> there's nothing preventing anybody from doing that
  249. # [10:11] <MikeSmith> he mentions XSLT 2.0 for example
  250. # [10:13] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Another possible interpretation of his argument is that browsers should instead expose some sort of fully general platform so anyone can add new stuff to the web.
  251. # [10:13] <Workshiva> Sort of like... plugins?
  252. # [10:13] <MikeSmith> one might just as well ask why there's not XSLT 2.0 support in libxslt
  253. # [10:13] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Precisely. ^_^
  254. # [10:13] <TabAtkinsTPAC> (to workshiva)
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  256. # [10:16] <MikeSmith> anyway, for better or worse, I think his comments are representative of the sentiments of quite a few other people
  257. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> and maybe would be good to try to understand why they are frustrated instead of just dismissing them out of hand
  258. # [10:20] <slinkcoding> maybe the point here is that how can w3c put pressure on vendors
  259. # [10:20] <Workshiva> But he doesn
  260. # [10:20] <Workshiva> 't seem to care much for w3c either
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  262. # [10:22] <MikeSmith> the "w3c" is the vendors
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  264. # [10:22] <MikeSmith> the w3c is a bunch of working groups
  265. # [10:22] <Workshiva> A series of dudes
  266. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> heh
  267. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> well, with editors and chairs and working-group members
  268. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> and specs
  269. # [10:23] <MikeSmith> and the work is driven by the people who show up
  270. # [10:24] <MikeSmith> and who care to invest time in actual detailed technical discussions about the technologies
  271. # [10:25] <MikeSmith> and of course in doing things like writing test cases
  272. # [10:28] <TabAtkinsTPAC> As far as I can tell, he's just channeling generic XML rage, and doesn't realize that in trying to make the argument less about "But I want XML stuff!", he's making it incoherent.
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  281. # [10:39] <nessy> is there a logged irc channel for the html wg?
  282. # [10:40] <Lachy> nessy, #html-wg on irc.w3.org
  283. # [10:40] <nessy> thanks!
  284. # [10:40] <nessy> anything happening at lyon yet with the html wg?
  285. # [10:41] <Lachy> the meeting is just starting today
  286. # [10:41] <Lachy> nessy, you can see what's happened already here http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/
  287. # [10:42] <Lachy> not much yet though, just sorting out agenda
  288. # [10:42] <nessy> ah thanks - just in a break now?
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  290. # [10:43] <zcorpan> mmm cookies
  291. # [10:43] * zcorpan realizes he hasn't been in #html-wg for quite some time
  292. # [10:44] <Lachy> there's also #html-wg2 now for the 2nd room.
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  294. # [10:50] <zcorpan> not logged?
  295. # [10:50] <Lachy> zcorpan, RRSAgent is logging it to http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-html-wg2-irc
  296. # [10:50] <Lachy> but that's not currently visible
  297. # [10:50] <Lachy> nothing has been said in there yet though
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  299. # [10:57] <zcorpan> none of webkit/opera/gecko get the new select example right
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  324. # [12:23] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/TPAC_2010_Agenda
  325. # [12:23] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2010/11/04-html-wg2-minutes.html
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  329. # [12:24] * Topic is 'WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/ -- logs: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ -- stats: http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html -- Please leave your sense of logic at the door, thanks!'
  330. # [12:24] * Set by annevk42 on Mon Oct 19 22:03:06
  331. # [12:24] -gibson.freenode.net:#whatwg- [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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  358. # [13:44] <MikeSmith> nessy: we are having a discussion about media accessibility in about 20 minutes
  359. # [13:44] <MikeSmith> any chance you might be able to call in?
  360. # [13:44] <nessy> yeah, I know - not sure I will survive until then
  361. # [13:44] <MikeSmith> ok
  362. # [13:44] <nessy> it'll be midnight and I already have a headache
  363. # [13:45] <nessy> I'll watch on irc and see if it's necessary for me to call in, ok?
  364. # [13:45] <nessy> (until I fall asleep)
  365. # [13:46] <MikeSmith> nessy: sounds good
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  391. # [14:29] <Craig`> hey guys, just used geolocation api for first time, was wondering if there was a way i could extract country from the position, so far i've just used latitude/longitude and redirected to google maps, but i'd like to know the country and then display a flag (just for learning purposes)
  392. # [14:31] <annevk> you'd either need to get some geodata from somewhere so you can compute it yourself
  393. # [14:31] <annevk> or find an HTTP API that does it for you
  394. # [14:31] <annevk> geolocation v2 might handle this automatically
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  396. # [14:32] * asmodai eyes tomshardware article @ http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ie9-chrome-firefox-safari-opera,11574.html
  397. # [14:34] <Lachy> annevk, that might work, so long as you're not trying to figure out which country some point in a disputed region belongs to. That would just be a political nightmare to deal with.
  398. # [14:36] <annevk> Lachy, something else...
  399. # [14:37] <annevk> Lachy, people told you me you said something about about URLs and did not follow up
  400. # [14:37] <annevk> Lachy, can you fix that?
  401. # [14:37] <annevk> Lachy, you are removing my reasons to yell at the IETF
  402. # [14:37] <annevk> Lachy, well, limiting for certain topics :)
  403. # [14:37] <Lachy> what?
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  405. # [14:37] <Lachy> oh, right, probably about the about: URI scheme
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  407. # [14:38] <Lachy> I need to follow up on that one day. It's just low priority
  408. # [14:38] <annevk> Lachy, I was told there are certain outstanding issues that need minor edits after which the draft needs to be submitted again to make it all work
  409. # [14:38] <annevk> Lachy, that is what I said
  410. # [14:38] <annevk> Lachy, if you are busy please tell them that
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  412. # [14:38] <annevk> Lachy, because they can find someone else to do it
  413. # [14:39] <Lachy> I'll do it. It wasn't too much that was needed.
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  417. # [14:42] <annevk> Lachy, great
  418. # [14:46] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Lachy: You're not at TPAC, right?
  419. # [14:47] <annevk> nope
  420. # [14:48] <TabAtkinsTPAC> kk. I was hoping to discharge my debt. ^_^
  421. # [14:48] <Lachy> TabAtkinsTPAC, yeah, unfortunately I wasn't allowed to go.
  422. # [14:48] <Lachy> thanks for reminding me about your debt though! :-)
  423. # [14:49] <Lachy> how much was it anyway? About 200Kr or something?
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  425. # [14:49] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Yah, about a dinner worth.
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  427. # [14:51] <Lachy> ok, nevermind. I'm sure you'll make it up to me one day. Maybe TPAC next year.
  428. # [14:51] <Lachy> or maybe just pay it forward to Anne or something
  429. # [14:52] <Craig`> i'm trying to use google maps api but i don't know what i'm doing wrong, could you help please.. http://www.webdevout.net/test?02g
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  432. # [15:02] <karlcow> I wonder how many mimetypes are deployed and not described, same thing for protocol schemes.
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  434. # [15:04] <karlcow> I'm thinking about things like "webcal:" (Apple ®)
  435. # [15:07] <othermaciej> a lot
  436. # [15:07] <othermaciej> well, depends on what counts as "described"
  437. # [15:09] <karlcow> heh. indeed. described could be a spec somewhere at a URI or in IETF space. Let say that I had in mind described at IETF
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  439. # [15:10] <othermaciej> if you mean registered in the appropriate registry, then a whole host of MIME types and URI schemes in common use are not registered
  440. # [15:11] <karlcow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI_scheme#Unofficial_but_common_URI_schemes
  441. # [15:12] <karlcow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mime_type#List_of_common_media_types
  442. # [15:14] <karlcow> ah and some are grouped in some IETF RFCs such as application/svg+xml http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3023#section-8.19
  443. # [15:14] <karlcow> "However, no
  444. # [15:14] <karlcow> content type has yet been registered for SVG and so this media type
  445. # [15:14] <karlcow> should not be used until such registration has been completed."
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  484. # [16:41] <annevk> jgraham, testing discussion starting in #html-wg2
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  565. # [19:25] <karlcow> selectAllChildren has been dropped from the spec?
  566. # [19:26] <karlcow> or did it go in another draft?
  567. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> karlcow, Selection moved entirely
  568. # [19:27] <karlcow> Ms2ger: to where?
  569. # [19:28] <karlcow> found
  570. # [19:28] <karlcow> thanks
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  572. # [19:28] <Ms2ger> Np
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  582. # [19:56] <Ms2ger> Ooh, does Opera have a new date picker?
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  615. # [21:20] <romeo_> Why is http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html dated ahead of time? (9 November 2010)
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  619. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> romeo_, that's normal around publication time
  620. # [21:28] <Ms2ger> Presumably a WD is intended to be published on the ninth
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  622. # [21:29] <romeo_> That would explain it. Thanks.
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  657. # [23:28] <hsivonen> TabAtkins_: Mike Kay *is* an XSLT 2.0 implementor
  658. # [23:29] <annevk> publish another WD on the ninth?
  659. # [23:29] <annevk> that seems somewhat implausible
  660. # [23:32] <Ms2ger> Rather
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  662. # [23:36] * Ms2ger pulls in innerHTML
  663. # [23:37] <annevk> bitbucket should get some auto checkout place
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  665. # [23:38] <annevk> in related trivia, I am not too happy with Hixie removing Selection from the draft without some kind of published alternative published elsewhere
  666. # [23:39] <annevk> we learned that with URLs it kind of sucks when that happens and we should have taken more note of that
  667. # [23:39] <Hixie> i waited til it was in the Range spec
  668. # [23:39] <Hixie> the text is unchanged
  669. # [23:40] <annevk> I guess if bitbucket was more usable it would have mattered less
  670. # [23:40] <annevk> pointing colleagues to http://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/dom-range rather than some kind of HTML readable version kind of sucks
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  672. # [23:44] <hsivonen> TabAtkinsTPAC: I think it's not a good idea to suggest that XSLT 2.0 would be supported if enough people want it
  673. # [23:45] <hsivonen> because the value of "enough" would have to be quite large to offset the dependence on the PSVI
  674. # [23:45] <TabAtkinsTPAC> Still, if "enough" people do, it will be.
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  676. # [23:46] <hsivonen> TabAtkinsTPAC: but it can give people wrong ideas, still
  677. # [23:46] <TabAtkinsTPAC> What's the PSVI?
  678. # [23:47] <hsivonen> TabAtkinsTPAC: Post-Schema Validation Infoset
  679. # [23:47] <TabAtkinsTPAC> o...k.
  680. # [23:47] <hsivonen> TabAtkinsTPAC: good for you if you haven't run into it before
  681. # [23:48] <TabAtkinsTPAC> ^_^
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  685. # [23:49] <Hixie> annevk: can you host a copy on html5.org?
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  687. # [23:54] <annevk> yeah, that might be an idea
  688. # [23:55] <annevk> though not entirely sure how to update it all automatically
  689. # [23:55] <annevk> if Ms2ger has any ideas maybe we can sort that out next week
  690. # Session Close: Fri Nov 05 00:00:00 2010

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