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  8. # [00:19] <AryehGregor> So how do I get colored diffs in hg that also allow scrolling with less, the way git does by default? Piping to less kills the color.
  9. # [00:21] <Philip`> [pager]
  10. # [00:21] <Philip`> pager = LESS='FRX' less
  11. # [00:21] <Philip`> [extensions]
  12. # [00:21] <Philip`> pager =
  13. # [00:22] <Philip`> Something like that, I think
  14. # [00:22] <Philip`> then just do "hg diff" and it'll page
  15. # [00:23] <Philip`> (plus use the color extension)
  16. # [00:24] <AryehGregor> Yay, more built-in extensions.
  17. # [00:26] <AryehGregor> But it works.
  18. # [00:26] <AryehGregor> Thanks.
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  23. # [00:58] <Hixie> AryehGregor: ah!
  24. # [00:58] <Hixie> AryehGregor: good to know
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  86. # [06:46] <gwillen> Could someone shed some light for me on the meaning of "Points on the path itself are considered to be inside the path." in the documentation of isPointInPath for the canvas element?
  87. # [06:46] <gwillen> In particular, whether the path is defined to have any particular nonzero width for this purpose?
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  118. # [11:21] <Philip`> gwillen: It just means that if you do rect(0, 0, 100, 100) then points (0, 0), (100, 100), (0, 50), etc, return true for isPointInPath
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  140. # [14:01] <espadrine> some people have the amazing guts of being funny. That is good!
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  167. # [16:38] <karlcow> I don't know if I should cry or just laugh http://webstylemag.com/ "Webstyle Magazine is the lifestyle mag for web professionals. Our mission is to delve deep into what it means to be a web professional and share what we find."
  168. # [16:39] <karlcow> The sirens of marketing have no limits.
  169. # [16:41] <charlvn> karlcow: i don't know how "Dark Chocolate and Basil Truffles" are related to web development but i have to say, they look delicious!
  170. # [16:41] <karlcow> heheh
  171. # [16:43] <mhausenblas> my personal favourite: "After all, web professionals are people too, ..."
  172. # [16:43] <charlvn> really? wow, i never knew! :P
  173. # [16:44] <charlvn> i thought we were super human... my mistake :)
  174. # [16:44] <mhausenblas> yup. must be true. http://webstylemag.com/about says it is. and they know ...
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  182. # [17:04] <webr3> lmfao, good find karlcow
  183. # [17:07] <webr3> ooo http://webstylemag.com/geek-chic-done-right
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  212. # [18:12] <AryehGregor> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/sep/24/1
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  235. # [19:49] <Philip`> AryehGregor: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20100927#l-329
  236. # [19:50] <Philip`> Old news :-p
  237. # [19:50] <boxendirst> Should :invalid really be being applied to my input field before the user has even focused in it, much less attempted to submit a form? That’s what Chrome appears to be doing. On page load, wham, :invalid.
  238. # [19:50] <AryehGregor> boxendirst, yes. There's a discussion about this going on right now.
  239. # [19:50] <AryehGregor> Either whatwg or www-style, not sure.
  240. # [19:50] <miketaylr> FF4 has taken a different approach, no?
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  242. # [19:50] <AryehGregor> Mozilla has :-moz-ui-invalid and :-moz-ui-valid selectors.
  243. # [19:50] <AryehGregor> Which implement a much nicer algorithm.
  244. # [19:51] <boxendirst> I don’t like it — here’s why: It makes it look like the user has made a mistake, but they haven’t yet.
  245. # [19:51] <AryehGregor> Generally speaking, WebKit's HTML5 form support is horrible.
  246. # [19:51] <AryehGregor> Right, Mozilla is much better.
  247. # [19:51] <AryehGregor> WebKit HTML5 form support deserves to be indefinitely blacklisted by authors, IMO, until they fix it up.
  248. # [19:51] <boxendirst> Is that possible except by browser sniffing?
  249. # [19:51] <AryehGregor> Probably not.
  250. # [19:51] <miketaylr> not really
  251. # [19:52] <boxendirst> Oh hey miketaylr, that’s a familiar name.
  252. # [19:52] <AryehGregor> Philip`, I got it from Raymond Chen's semiannual link clearance.
  253. # [19:52] * boxendirst is actually Alan Hogan, fwiw
  254. # [19:52] <miketaylr> hi boxendirst
  255. # [19:52] <boxendirst> Howdy
  256. # [19:53] <miketaylr> aha
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  259. # [19:55] <boxendirst> So, should I complain anywhere else? Chrome feedback I guess?
  260. # [19:55] <karlcow> hmm I didn't get the joke of the guardian.
  261. # [19:55] <Philip`> AryehGregor: Maybe he reads the WHATWG logs and got it from here
  262. # [19:56] <AryehGregor> boxendirst, Chrome or WebKit, yeah.
  263. # [19:56] <AryehGregor> This is really a WebKit issue, but I don't think there's an actual policy that you can't file WebKit complaints in Chrome's tracker.
  264. # [19:56] <Philip`> karlcow: Have you read many science articles on the BBC News site?
  265. # [19:56] <AryehGregor> The guy working on HTML5 forms is working for Google, anyway.
  266. # [19:57] <AryehGregor> karlcow, or the New Scientist, or most other "science for the masses" type things?
  267. # [19:57] <miketaylr> boxendirst: hunt down paul_irish when he's around too, he can point you in the right direction
  268. # [19:57] <karlcow> Philip`: I do not read a lot of "science" news articles. My academic background is astrophysics.
  269. # [19:57] <boxendirst> miketaylr will do
  270. # [19:58] <boxendirst> AryehGregor Which guy would that be (more specific than Hixie I assume)?
  271. # [19:58] <karlcow> so the answer would be no. I guess not.
  272. # [19:58] <AryehGregor> boxendirst, I mean, the guy working on WebKit's HTML5 implementation.
  273. # [19:58] <AryehGregor> Not the spec.
  274. # [19:58] <AryehGregor> The spec is Hixie's.
  275. # [19:58] <boxendirst> course, gotcha
  276. # [19:58] <AryehGregor> The guy working on their implementation is Tamura Kent, or Kent Tamura, or something.
  277. # [19:58] <AryehGregor> He capitalizes one of the names, but I forget which one.
  278. # [19:58] <boxendirst> He around here much?
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  280. # [19:59] <AryehGregor> I've never seen him in this channel.
  281. # [19:59] <AryehGregor> I only ran into him when I filed bugs against WebKit's HTML5 forms implementation.
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  294. # [20:38] <AryehGregor> Is it just me, or is everyone who uses the term "cognitive dissonance" automatically wrong, always?
  295. # [20:39] <Dashiva> Can it be both, or would that be cognitive dissonance?
  296. # [20:39] <AryehGregor> Can what be both?
  297. # [20:40] <Dashiva> It's just you, and they're automatically wrong
  298. # [20:40] <AryehGregor> I think that would be logically inconsistent, due to the use of the word "just".
  299. # [20:40] <AryehGregor> If they are actually wrong, it's not "just" me.
  300. # [20:41] <Dashiva> What if it's only you realizing it
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  303. # [20:52] <AryehGregor> I think it's fairly clear from context that that's not the intended meaning.
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  305. # [20:54] <AryehGregor> "Get ready for HTML5 Graphics: Start the new year learning SVG"
  306. # [20:54] <AryehGregor> So I guess I'm used to CSS3 being called HTML5, but now SVG too?
  307. # [20:54] <AryehGregor> Meh, it's probably not even worth commenting on.
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  324. # [21:48] <boxendirst> I made a test case page for when :invalid is applied
  325. # [21:48] <boxendirst> file://localhost/Users/ajh/Dropbox/Public/web/invalid.html
  326. # [21:48] <boxendirst> haha one sec
  327. # [21:48] <boxendirst> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105727/web/invalid.html
  328. # [21:48] <boxendirst> There’s the public version ;)
  329. # [21:49] <boxendirst> Note I used ::-webkit-input-placeholder, it’s basically necessary to get your empty, invalid, placeholder-utilizing input elements to look good
  330. # [21:51] <boxendirst> (So I would like to see that standardized)
  331. # [21:52] <AryehGregor> Mozilla has an equivalent.
  332. # [21:52] <AryehGregor> There's been discussion about it.
  333. # [21:52] <AryehGregor> It'll be standardized at some point, it's just debated whether it should be a pseudoelement or pseudoclass.
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  337. # [21:54] <boxendirst> Haha yeah that is a tricky question, AryehGregor, I was just convinced it was wrong over on irc.w3.org#html-wg
  338. # [21:54] <boxendirst> but then changed my mind
  339. # [21:54] <boxendirst> Hey Paul, thoughts on this? I submitted Webkit & Chrome bugs. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105727/web/invalid.html
  340. # [21:55] <AryehGregor> boxendirst, WebKit is correct here per spec, and matches everyone else.
  341. # [21:55] <AryehGregor> (i.e., Opera and Gecko)
  342. # [21:55] <AryehGregor> A new class like :ui-invalid is being contemplated, but :invalid will apply to all invalid controls.
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  344. # [21:56] <AryehGregor> boxendirst, see this discussion: http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-December/029570.html
  345. # [21:56] <boxendirst> Oh sorry
  346. # [21:56] <AryehGregor> Unfortunately it's divorced from the earlier discussion on the same topic, since mailing lists stink and Hixie doesn't respond to stuff for months so it's not the same thread in the archives anymore since those are broken up by month.
  347. # [21:56] <boxendirst> > most > UI/UX guys would tell you that the current :invalid behavior is really bad.
  348. # [21:57] <AryehGregor> Earlier discussion: http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2010-September/028742.html
  349. # [21:57] <boxendirst> Funny, because I consider myself a UI/UX guy.
  350. # [21:57] <AryehGregor> And you happen to agree with Mounir on this point?
  351. # [21:57] * AryehGregor also does, as it happens -- yay Firefox 4 for being the first with a sane HTML5 form implementation
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  353. # [21:58] <boxendirst> 110% I do agree with Mounir.
  354. # [21:58] <AryehGregor> Have you checked out the Firefox 4 implementation?
  355. # [21:58] <AryehGregor> Hopefully it will persuade other vendors to follow suit.
  356. # [21:58] <boxendirst> <span lang=de>nein</span>
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  358. # [21:59] <boxendirst> I suppose I’ll have to
  359. # [21:59] <boxendirst> Are they the only ones to support :ui-invalid yet?
  360. # [22:02] <AryehGregor> It's their own extension so far, so yes. :-moz-ui-invalid.
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