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  14. # [00:24] <Figaroo> Hello folks, I have some interesting input which you might or might not have received already.
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  16. # [00:27] <Figaroo> Limiting character input on text fields is a bit cumbersome to do with javascript, currently.
  17. # [00:30] <Figaroo> Firstly, keypress events do not account for pasting in input fields and the change event only fires when the text field is blurred. A propery ontextchange event would be useful here.
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  19. # [00:33] <Rik`> Figaroo: there is an oninput event that does that
  20. # [00:33] <Figaroo> the event object passed to the ontextchange field should also contain a property which reveals the text change -- event.oldValue and event.newValue or similar. This would be extremely useful to determining what text is entered from keystrokes and various text based commands such as pasting.
  21. # [00:33] <Rik`> and to limit character input, you have the maxlength and pattern attributes
  22. # [00:33] <Figaroo> Rik`, wonderful! Does it contain the properties I just mentioned?
  23. # [00:33] <Rik`> nope
  24. # [00:34] <Figaroo> Rik`, that's not what I mean by limit character input. I mean limit which characters to be inputted.
  25. # [00:34] <Rik`> but you just need to save the value to get an "old value"
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  27. # [00:35] <Rik`> pattern is a javascript regexp, so it won't block people from entering invalid characters, but it will report the input as invalid
  28. # [00:35] <Figaroo> Rik`, save the value? How would you know to save it?
  29. # [00:36] <Rik`> just save it every time there is an input ?
  30. # [00:36] <Figaroo> When there is an input, wouldn't the value would have already been changed?
  31. # [00:37] <Figaroo> *x out one would*
  32. # [00:37] <Rik`> yes but since you saved the value the last time the callback was called, you'll have value and e.target.value
  33. # [00:39] <Figaroo> Rik`, wouldn't it be more convenient to have this value available in the oninput event?
  34. # [00:39] <Figaroo> Also, limiting text input is not the same as limiting valid input.
  35. # [00:39] <Rik`> that's one line of code really
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  38. # [00:40] <Figaroo> Rik`, what is?
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  41. # [00:42] <Figaroo> What is one line of code?
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  43. # [00:45] <Figaroo> I see, so storing the old value is one line of code extra; maybe two because you'll need to define the variable which contains the old value. But I think it would be nice to have this built into the event, I don't see why not.
  44. # [00:46] <bga_> Figaroo https://github.com/dperini/nwxforms
  45. # [00:49] <twisted`> hi maybe someone here can point the me in the right direction... I need to re-polish my web-knowledge (last was xhtml 1.1 strict) but with all the html5 fad going on lately (well ok I've been in hibernation for a while ;)) I'm not sure what exactly is now which spec is most widely supported (with new sweet features)
  46. # [00:49] <bga_> https://github.com/dperini/nwxforms/blob/master/src/nwxforms.js#L585
  47. # [00:49] <inimino> Figaroo ⋱ What was your issue with <input type=number>?
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  51. # [00:51] <paul_irish> twisted`: read diveintohtml5 and watch developers.whatwg.org
  52. # [00:52] <twisted`> diveintohtml5.org ?
  53. # [00:52] <paul_irish> yup
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  55. # [00:52] <inimino> twisted` ⋱ The whatwg FAQ page is also a good read.
  56. # [00:53] <inimino> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ
  57. # [00:53] <TabAtkins_> inimino: What character are you using after people's names? It looks like a diagonal ellipsis on my terminal.
  58. # [00:53] <twisted`> thanks I'll check those docs out
  59. # [00:54] <twisted`> I read a few years ago about xhtml2 which looked very interesting but it seems it's deprecated
  60. # [00:54] <twisted`> important for me is that the sites I write still function in stuff like lynx/links2 but are (without too much js) very nice in modern browsers
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  63. # [01:00] <franksalim> TabAtkins_, DOWN RIGHT DIAGONAL ELLIPSIS (U+22F1)
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  68. # [01:01] <twisted`> doesn't show up here like the image I can find of "DOWN RIGHT DIAGONAL ELLIPSIS"
  69. # [01:01] <twisted`> hmm weird
  70. # [01:01] <twisted`> terminal.app should be fully unicode
  71. # [01:01] <twisted`> maybe it's my font ;)
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  78. # [01:10] <inimino> TabAtkins_ ⋱ It's a diagonal ellipsis.
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  109. # [02:02] <annevk> diagonal ellipsis? wild
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  118. # [02:19] <roc> it's for matrices
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  122. # [02:23] <annevk> look at that
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  124. # [02:23] <annevk> chaals is on bitbucket https://bitbucket.org/chaals
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  130. # [02:30] <twisted`> paul_irish: the diveintohtml5.org is a nice document but it's horrible to read
  131. # [02:31] <twisted`> in the sense I have to go back to the TOC to click the next chapter
  132. # [02:31] <twisted`> :p
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  135. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> twisted`: somebody should make a bookmarklet for it with the TOC
  136. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> or is it available as a single page?
  137. # [02:35] <twisted`> MikeSmith: there's a single page edition I think
  138. # [02:35] <MikeSmith> ok
  139. # [02:36] <MikeSmith> there's an extension for Chrome that generates an outline
  140. # [02:36] <MikeSmith> using the HTML5 outline algorithm
  141. # [02:36] <MikeSmith> that would probably be a help with reading it
  142. # [02:36] * MikeSmith tries it now
  143. # [02:37] <twisted`> only thing I miss from Opera is the gestures
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  145. # [02:37] <twisted`> but personally I'd be all for one browser engine... makes everyone's life a lot easier
  146. # [02:38] <annevk> yeah, IE6 was awesome
  147. # [02:38] <twisted`> we're slowly getting there, on small devices it's already webkit anyway
  148. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> no it's not
  149. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> actually
  150. # [02:39] <twisted`> except for the windows based phones but who the fuck uses that
  151. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> not by a long show
  152. # [02:39] <twisted`> MikeSmith: android is webkit, ios is webkit
  153. # [02:39] * annevk was sarcastic
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  155. # [02:39] <twisted`> annevk: we assumed
  156. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> twisted`: yeah well
  157. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> that's hardly all the market
  158. # [02:39] <MikeSmith> and other browsers are available for Android
  159. # [02:40] <twisted`> it won't be long I guess before MS gives in and drops IE and goes for webkit
  160. # [02:40] <MikeSmith> yep
  161. # [02:40] <twisted`> I used to love Gecko
  162. # [02:40] <twisted`> but it's just slow as shit compared to webkit
  163. # [02:40] <MikeSmith> everybody will just be giving up and going for WebKit
  164. # [02:40] <twisted`> only thing that made me prefer Firefox is cause I didn't like Safari that much but Chrome is pwnsome
  165. # [02:41] <MikeSmith> you should bet money on your WebKit prediction
  166. # [02:41] <twisted`> it makes sense there are now 2 giant companies working on webkit
  167. # [02:41] <MikeSmith> indeed
  168. # [02:41] <twisted`> it's just that Google made a horrible decision with dropping h264 support in Chrome
  169. # [02:41] <twisted`> 'yay'
  170. # [02:41] <MikeSmith> giant companies can never screw anything up
  171. # [02:41] <franksalim__> everything i use came from a giant company
  172. # [02:41] <MikeSmith> and two giant companies can definitely never screw anything up
  173. # [02:42] <MikeSmith> so it's a really safe bet for sure
  174. # [02:42] <franksalim__> totally
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  176. # [02:42] <MikeSmith> I trust the giant companies completely
  177. # [02:43] <franksalim> i don't think you are being sincere, MikeSmith
  178. # [02:43] <MikeSmith> I'm always sincere :)
  179. # [02:43] <MikeSmith> even when I'm not being sincere
  180. # [02:43] <twisted`> MikeSmith: well considering the difference between Webkit and IE is that Webkit is actually opensource
  181. # [02:43] <twisted`> so if they do fubar it
  182. # [02:43] <twisted`> just fork it
  183. # [02:44] <twisted`> Gecko was awesome but because of the marketshare and their 'superiority' they became lazy
  184. # [02:44] <Hixie> annevk: yeah i already added the <!-- -->s
  185. # [02:44] <MikeSmith> twisted`: I got news for you: Somebody already thought of that already. It's already forked
  186. # [02:45] <MikeSmith> and will be forked more
  187. # [02:45] <twisted`> MikeSmith: probably, not really following that
  188. # [02:45] <MikeSmith> it's forked already
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  191. # [02:46] <roc> yeah, that's us Gecko developers, real lazy. Right now we're all hanging out on the beach drinking pina coladas.
  192. # [02:46] <twisted`> MikeSmith: which fork do you refer to
  193. # [02:46] <twisted`> roc: ;)
  194. # [02:46] <MikeSmith> twisted`: several of them
  195. # [02:47] <MikeSmith> take your pick
  196. # [02:47] <roc> twisted`: really, your theories are incorrect and insulting, OK? So please keep them to yourself
  197. # [02:47] <twisted`> roc: oh nofi it's just how I saw it
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  235. # [03:59] <Figaroo> ...and they're not cross-browser
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  318. # [08:34] <annevk> tantek, I'm gonna move the research stuff on the wiki to a "Research" page
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  341. # [09:15] <phrearch> hi
  342. # [09:15] <phrearch> does anyone know i the connectionpeer api is already implemented in webkit?
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  346. # [09:16] <annevk> yesterday Ericsson Labs published something
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  348. # [09:18] <phrearch> yes, i saw the vid. wondering whether how that stuff is related to <device> and media streams
  349. # [09:18] <phrearch> it seems there are 3 apis involved in that demo
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  351. # [09:19] <phrearch> connectionpeer api, Stream API and device
  352. # [09:19] <phrearch> it would be great if a patch would land in webkit, just for testing and poc
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  355. # [09:25] <annevk> did some more cleanup to the wiki
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  357. # [09:27] <phrearch> aah, the device element includes both apis
  358. # [09:27] <phrearch> i cant wait to test this :)
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  364. # [09:35] <annevk> I would like to see their spec
  365. # [09:35] <annevk> for the UDP stuff
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  395. # [10:27] <annevk> I wish he posted something about the UDP-based thingie they are using as well
  396. # [10:27] <annevk> I guess their blog post does to some extent
  397. # [10:28] <phrearch> yea, thats part of the stream api i guess?
  398. # [10:28] <annevk> no
  399. # [10:28] <annevk> Stream is nothing much
  400. # [10:28] <annevk> it just represents the camera/microphone
  401. # [10:29] <phrearch> aha ok
  402. # [10:29] <annevk> the UDP-based thingie is what is behind ConnectionPeer
  403. # [10:29] <annevk> and somehow I missed they invented something WebSocket-based too for media-streaming
  404. # [10:30] <annevk> https://labs.ericsson.com/developer-community/blog/beyond-html5-conversational-voice-and-video-implemented-webkit-gtk 'new MediaStreamTransceiver("ws://150.132.141.60:8880/delayswitch?sid=0");'
  405. # [10:31] <phrearch> yea, but i think thats the old way the did that
  406. # [10:32] <phrearch> it seems they now use something else for that
  407. # [10:32] <phrearch> connectionpeer i guess
  408. # [10:32] <annevk> that was also TCP-based still
  409. # [10:32] <annevk> they did not modify WebSocket to add UDP support
  410. # [10:32] <annevk> (that's poor wording, but you get the idea)
  411. # [10:33] <phrearch> yea, i thought they added binary support to it
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  427. # [11:15] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11129 - boooo! what do people have against these events?? they're convenient
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  429. # [11:16] <zcorpan> should we remove all event handler attributes as well since they're "redundant" with addEventListener?
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  431. # [11:19] <annevk> also <style> and style=""
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  435. # [11:26] <annevk> preprocessor script by CSS WG requires <code title=""> and does not allow <code title>
  436. # [11:26] <annevk> bah
  437. # [11:26] <annevk> want Anolis
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  446. # [11:46] <annevk> hsivonen, you around?
  447. # [11:46] <annevk> hsivonen, wondered if you looked into that Android 2.3 thing with webm.html5.org
  448. # [11:46] <annevk> oh btw
  449. # [11:46] <annevk> XHR now has full ArrayBuffer support
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  451. # [11:51] <hsivonen> annevk: not yet, I've been busy with a Hotmail firedrill
  452. # [11:51] <hsivonen> (Hotmail got updated in away that broke it in Firefox 4)
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  462. # [12:07] <gggg> has there been any talk regarding multi-bitrat streaming using HTML5 video?
  463. # [12:08] <annevk> I've seen some discussion on adaptive streaming
  464. # [12:08] <annevk> nothing concrete though
  465. # [12:08] <annevk> foolip would know
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  467. # [12:08] <foolip> there's been plenty of talking, but very little implementing, so far
  468. # [12:09] <foolip> gggg, I suggest reading the archives of the FOMS list
  469. # [12:09] <gggg> foolip: on the mailing list?
  470. # [12:09] <gggg> ok, thanks
  471. # [12:09] <foolip> oh crap, the archives are private :(
  472. # [12:09] <foolip> but I guess you could join the list and then read them
  473. # [12:10] <foolip> http://lists.annodex.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foms
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  477. # [12:15] <gggg> interesting. I found this article as well http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Adaptive_Streaming
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  483. # [12:22] <annevk> hmm
  484. # [12:23] <annevk> maybe Feature Proposals should be turned into a category as well to group all those things
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  490. # [12:53] <annevk> whoa
  491. # [12:54] <annevk> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-096 -- it's still not decided whether <progress> is in or out?!
  492. # [12:54] <annevk> that issue is six months old
  493. # [12:54] <annevk> I mean, the poll is seven-eight months old
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  497. # [13:02] <Lachy> I think that must be the oldest open issue that's had a poll but hasn't been resolved, closely followed by issue-88
  498. # [13:03] <annevk> was the wiki never linked from whatwg.org?
  499. # [13:03] <annevk> a direct link that is
  500. # [13:05] <Lachy> I thought it was
  501. # [13:05] <Lachy> might have been removed when the page was last redesigned
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  503. # [13:09] <annevk> hmm, research and feature requests should prolly just be merged
  504. # [13:10] <annevk> why can't categories be moved?
  505. # [13:10] <annevk> I guess you can still do that by editing them...
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  515. # [13:40] <annevk> revamped http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Main_Page some more
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  518. # [14:07] <annevk> hmm
  519. # [14:07] <annevk> now I want to categorize the registries
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  552. # [15:40] <Workshiva> So I'm reading the http-state draft and see that it defines a cookie value as a http token. How is javascript supposed to create valid cookie values then?
  553. # [15:40] <Workshiva> All the cookie scripts I can recall use escape(), which does not encode @
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  579. # [17:00] <karlcow> http://littlebigdetails.com/
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  581. # [17:02] <slartsa> nice
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  584. # [17:05] <bfrohs> Oh hey, they finally implemented my suggestion to get the unread counts in the icon :)
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  607. # [17:37] <dglazkov> Hixie: I really liked the notion of ::xbl(id) pseudo-selector from our conversation yesterday
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  609. # [17:38] <dglazkov> Hixie: except I don't want it to be actually named xbl, of course :)
  610. # [17:38] <dglazkov> Hixie: I wonder if you could take some time to update the draft and add this -- and I'll stick it into WebKit?
  611. # [17:38] <dglazkov> Hixie: something like ::shadow(id) might be nice?
  612. # [17:40] <dglazkov> Hixie: or maybe something less conspicuous like ::part(id), as in "part of the component/binding"?
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  632. # [18:02] <jgraham> Are iframes with data: URIs @src allowed to access functions in their opener?
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  645. # [18:10] <Workshiva> Hmm, this cookie value stuff is getting ugly
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  654. # [18:25] <tantek> annevk that seems fine
  655. # [18:25] <tantek> not a huge fan of how mediawiki categories work but not that worried about it
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  663. # [18:43] <foolip> TabAtkins, cool, I had no idea working with the CSS WG could be so... WHATWG-like :)
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  719. # [20:25] <TabAtkins_> foolip: Depends on which editor you're working with.
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  740. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> Wiki's down?
  741. # [20:54] <Ms2ger> Not anymore
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  743. # [20:56] <AryehGregor> Is there any spec that's supposed to contain stuff like this? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46733
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  758. # [21:12] <hsivonen> Hixie: do I read the spec right that the spec is trying to say that onload alway fires asynchronously and never synchronously?
  759. # [21:15] <AryehGregor> volkmar_, is Firefox 4 final going to support the slight modification just made to type=email validation, allowing addresses like foo@localhost with only one domain name part? See <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11225>. I don't see a Mozilla bug for it, should I open one?
  760. # [21:16] <jwalden> AryehGregor: bugs don't get fixed without their being filed, do file
  761. # [21:16] <jwalden> as to whether it will or not, that depends on the bug being filed first
  762. # [21:16] <AryehGregor> :)
  763. # [21:17] <jwalden> it sounds pretty easy, but it seems like not something that will be prioritized for release, to me, unless someone writes the patch and drives it
  764. # [21:18] <Ms2ger> jwalden, I filed
  765. # [21:18] <Ms2ger> And it was fixed
  766. # [21:18] <AryehGregor> Yay.
  767. # [21:18] <jwalden> ah
  768. # [21:18] <AryehGregor> Where's the bug?
  769. # [21:18] <AryehGregor> I didn't see it in a quick search.
  770. # [21:19] <Ms2ger> 627657
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  773. # [21:21] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, kthx. Isn't it supposed to be marked as blocking some more general bug or something?
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  775. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Does now
  776. # [21:25] <AryehGregor> :)
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  783. # [21:36] <Hixie> we should rename http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Companion_specifications to TODO or something
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  788. # [21:42] <volkmar_> AryehGregor: it already does
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  790. # [21:42] <volkmar_> beta9 should support that change
  791. # [21:42] <volkmar_> hmmm, 10 maybe ;)
  792. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> 10, I think.
  793. # [21:42] <AryehGregor> See, this is why I ask before filing.
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  795. # [21:43] <volkmar_> AryehGregor: i have to say that searching for fixed bugs is a pain
  796. # [21:44] <AryehGregor> Yeah, the defaults work against you.
  797. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> Just add ALL before your search
  798. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> Knowing it's been fixed helps, of course
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  815. # [22:17] <Hixie> hm, misspelt words is an interesting use case for <u>
  816. # [22:17] <Hixie> has that ever been brought up before? i don't recall seeing it
  817. # [22:17] <Hixie> (listed in the CP for <u>)
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  821. # [22:21] <bfrohs> Hixie, personally, I like the idea, but due to the use of INS and DEL, wouldn't a new tag such as UNS (unsure) be more appropriate? -- new name needed, but it would apply to text that may be wrong (either caught misspelling in a WYSIWYG or a piece of quoted text that was loosely quoted and may not be exact)
  822. # [22:21] <bfrohs> Mainly because <u> already has such a history of being strictly underline
  823. # [22:22] <Hixie> i dunno, i haven't studied how common it is for web pages to indicate spelling mistakes
  824. # [22:23] <bfrohs> Well, I think the spelling mistakes side of the tag would be more for WYSIWYG editors, not so much the final version of the page.
  825. # [22:23] <Philip`> Like in static content, or dynamic spellchecking in text entry fields?
  826. # [22:23] <Hixie> anywhere they'd use an element, i guess
  827. # [22:25] <Philip`> I don't think I've ever seen it in static content, except maybe when people were talking about the Word spelling/grammar checker and using it demonstratively (in which case they don't want arbitrary underline-like styling, they want the precise colour and shape that Word uses)
  828. # [22:26] <Hixie> yeah
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  844. # [22:48] <zcorpan> yay http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/76115 (onformchange and friends)
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  846. # [22:49] <annevk> yeah, Companion Specifications is an odd name
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  848. # [22:49] <annevk> yeah, Companion Specifications is an odd name
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  850. # [22:49] <annevk> Specs TODO
  851. # [22:50] <Ms2ger> So, why is html5lib outputting &NonBreakingSpace; instead of &nbsp;?
  852. # [22:50] <zcorpan> so does webkit's window.onerror impl support <script>onerror=function(){alert('woot')}</script><script>for(;) { lol syntax error</script> ?
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  854. # [22:50] <zcorpan> or just uncaught exceptions?
  855. # [22:51] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: because it's earlier in the entities table, maybe?
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  857. # [22:51] * zcorpan noticed that web dom core switched from &copy; to &COPY; in its output
  858. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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  863. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> Installing html5lib tip wasn't a good idea, apparently
  864. # [22:52] <annevk> I wonder how these comments work. First positive, then negative, now positive again. I guess incoming link from a positive article invites positive comments and incoming link from a negative article invites negative comments?
  865. # [22:53] <zcorpan> maybe html5lib should have a separate entity table for the serializer where COPY and NonBreakingSpace are not present
  866. # [22:54] <zcorpan> or in some other way have the serializer output nbsp and copy instead
  867. # [22:54] <annevk> the serializer should only need five entries
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  870. # [22:55] <zcorpan> what if you want ascii-only and don't like NCRs?
  871. # [22:57] <annevk> haha
  872. # [22:57] <annevk> once you get arguments like "Stealing content was never easier than with HTML5" you know the debate is over
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  875. # [23:01] <zcorpan> heh http://twitter.com/tabatkins/status/30336539284209664
  876. # [23:01] <paul_irish> "Sorry, @onchange, I wasn't talking to you. Collision of microsyntaxes!"
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  878. # [23:02] <TabAtkins> I need XML with Namespaces so I can distinguish between @ meaning attributes and @ meaning twitter names.
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  881. # [23:04] <Ms2ger> You want curies, for the 140-char limit
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  883. # [23:04] <TabAtkins> With predefined prefixes.
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  886. # [23:05] <Ms2ger> In an OWL file you reference from your profile
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  890. # [23:08] <annevk> foolip, fwiw, http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Video_type_parameters is now a "Registry" of some sort
  891. # [23:08] <annevk> in the sense that it is part of the "Registries" collection
  892. # [23:08] <zcorpan> hmm, apple.com uses SVG with <path>s as a background image for text in the navbar? boo. why don't they use real text + css text-shadow?
  893. # [23:09] * tomaw_ is now known as tomaw
  894. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> That would work in other browsers?
  895. # [23:09] <TabAtkins> It woudl work in Safari. Why would they care about everyone else?
  896. # [23:09] <TabAtkins> (And yes, text-shadow has pretty good support.)
  897. # [23:09] <roc> why wouldn't SVG work in other browsers?
  898. # [23:10] <TabAtkins> Also, Ms2ger, we were wondering who you were this morning. I was convinced you were a Moz employee.
  899. # [23:10] <david_carlisle> zcorpan: for serialisation (expressed as xslt2 maps) in the entities spec I omit all the aliases, so nbsp and copy win over the others, easy enough to generate a list of unique entity names from unicode.xml (basically just omit mmlalias and html5-uppercase entity sets0
  900. # [23:10] <Ms2ger> Moz volunteer, atm
  901. # [23:10] <zcorpan> SVG as background images seems less widely supported than text-shadow
  902. # [23:10] * jwalden hopes that svg background image has an intrinsic height and width
  903. # [23:10] <roc> yeah I guess that's true
  904. # [23:10] <Ms2ger> Otherwise you earn a hardblocker, jwalden :)
  905. # [23:10] <roc> but it's better than some -webkit thing :-)
  906. # [23:10] <jwalden> because otherwise they might be hosing themselves, as no browsers implement lack of width right
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  908. # [23:11] <jwalden> Ms2ger: I have the patch close to plausibly done :-)
  909. # [23:11] <jwalden> the algorithm is a mess of complexity, tho
  910. # [23:11] <jwalden> if it had to block, I could finish it for then
  911. # [23:11] <TabAtkins> jwalden: I wouldn't mind reviewing.
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  913. # [23:12] <zcorpan> if i disable images on apple.com, the navbar becomes unusable
  914. # [23:12] <jwalden> TabAtkins: I'll CC you when I have it working (right now it's only, um, not breaking things that deliberately/intentionally worked before), assuming you have a bmo id
  915. # [23:12] <TabAtkins> I think I do. One sec while I look it up.
  916. # [23:13] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I'm in under jackalmage@gmail.com
  917. # [23:13] <jwalden> TabAtkins: is the account name something with "atkins" in it, or something?
  918. # [23:13] <jwalden> I'll remember that slightly more readily :-)
  919. # [23:13] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  920. # [23:13] <jwalden> but it shouldn't matter either way, really, I hope
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  923. # [23:14] <TabAtkins> Ah, yes. "Real Name" is "Tab Atkins Jr."
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  925. # [23:16] <jwalden> is this <div id="globalheader"> that has the SVG background image?
  926. # [23:16] <jwalden> looking at it in epiphany I get a data: png image in the CSS
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  929. # [23:19] <zcorpan> hsivonen: have you put webm.html5.org on bitbucket or so yet?
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