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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 24 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <jgraham> Hixie: Point this out and assume that reasonable action will be taken to remedy the evident problems?
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  30. # [01:42] <Hixie> ok i'm outta here. bbl.
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  177. # [10:10] <idnc> hi all
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  182. # [10:27] <idnc> before I file a feature request(or more of a query)..
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  184. # [10:28] <idnc> http://pastebin.com/ZmStuMQn
  185. # [10:29] <idnc> - the feature part - was this already discussed here? or is this even the right place?
  186. # [10:31] <idnc> ..I was send here from moz dev nw, although I think its more browser-related then a spec issue
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  197. # [11:04] * kennyluck why need x- ?
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  200. # [11:07] <jgraham> Oh Maybe no x-
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  270. # [16:39] <wilhelm> Have any browser vendors written any tests for <details> (and friends) yet?
  271. # [16:41] <Peter-> There are a few tests on WebKit's SVN, though no formal test-cases
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  273. # [16:41] <jgraham> wilhelm: Don't think anyone has implemented <details> yet…
  274. # [16:41] <Peter-> WebKit has
  275. # [16:41] <Peter-> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/81035
  276. # [16:41] <jgraham> Peter-: With an actual UI?
  277. # [16:42] <wilhelm> jgraham: I only care about tests right now. (c:
  278. # [16:42] <Peter-> Yes, jgraham, albeit simple. It's available in WebKit/Chromium nightlies. Further down that page is a list of changed files which begins with various html files
  279. # [16:42] <wilhelm> Peter-: Excellent. Thank you.
  280. # [16:42] <Peter-> these are tests
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  282. # [16:44] <jgraham> Peter-: Oh. Indeed. Nice
  283. # [16:44] <jgraham> wilhelm: BTW it occurred to me that the open/closed thing is an ideal use for a != ref test
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  285. # [16:48] <wilhelm> jgraham: Indeed.
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  374. # [20:08] <AryehGregor> Wow, I finally got IE9 to work with my execCommand() auto-run thing.
  375. # [20:09] <AryehGregor> It seems like execCommand() only works . . . well, I have no idea what the actual conditions are, but I eventually fixed the problem by replacing a function call with setting an input's value, focus()ing the input, and click()ing a button that ran the script on the input's value.
  376. # [20:09] <AryehGregor> I mean, WTF, but it works.
  377. # [20:12] <AryehGregor> So now I can actually research what IE does.
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  392. # [20:42] <Hixie> AryehGregor: that's messed up
  393. # [20:42] <Hixie> AryehGregor: i wonder how devs get it to work on real sites
  394. # [20:43] <AryehGregor> Hixie, remember, the usual use-case is interactive stuff.
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  396. # [20:43] <AryehGregor> It's not going to be common to want to run hundreds of commands on different artificially-constructed selections without user interaction of any kind.
  397. # [20:43] <AryehGregor> Also, I'm using the W3C Range API, which is new in IE9. Maybe it would work differently with their proprietary API.
  398. # [20:43] <AryehGregor> Anyway, the overall answer to how devs get execCommand() to work on real sites "with much pain".
  399. # [20:46] <Hixie> fair enough
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  433. # [22:06] <AryehGregor> I am seriously ready to murder whoever wrote the default vim indentation script for HTML.
  434. # [22:07] <AryehGregor> Most of them are fine, like for PHP or JS. I have quibbles, but they're usable.
  435. # [22:07] <AryehGregor> But HTML . . . argh.
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  441. # [22:15] <matijsb1> AryehGregor: what goes wrong? (thinking of switching to vim from TextMate here)
  442. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> matijsb1, lots and lots of stuff. For instance, whenever I try to do "} else {" in an embedded JS block, in K&R style, it tries to indent it an extra line.
  443. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> Then when I try to de-indent it, it reindents it when I hit Enter.
  444. # [22:16] <zewt> it tends to be nitty about switching to JS mode inside HTML, though increasing the search distance helps a lot
  445. # [22:16] <AryehGregor> Then when I de-indent it again, it de-indents all following lines I add by an extra tab.
  446. # [22:17] <AryehGregor> zewt, I just use syn sync fromstart for HTML, that solves it.
  447. # [22:17] <AryehGregor> But the indentation is infuriating.
  448. # [22:17] <zewt> i'd expect it to just use JS's indentation rules for JS nested in HTML, though
  449. # [22:17] <matijsb1> AryehGregor: oh god, that sounds bad
  450. # [22:17] <AryehGregor> If you try to omit end tags from table cells, it just indents all further lines to a crazy degree.
  451. # [22:18] <zewt> i don't have autoindent enabled for JS, though; i probably should
  452. # [22:18] <matijsb1> especially the re-indenting after de-indenting would drive me absolutely insane
  453. # [22:18] <AryehGregor> It sometimes indents JS that has HTML tags embedded in strings or comments, apparently unable to figure out that it's really a string or comment.
  454. # [22:18] <AryehGregor> It also always tries indenting the contents of <script> and <style>, and again, re-indents if you de-indent.
  455. # [22:18] <zewt> err, I do in Linux but not in Windows gvim, probably need to sync my configs
  456. # [22:18] <AryehGregor> I just do ":set indentexpr=" when I get too fed up, but then it does no real indentation at all.
  457. # [22:19] <AryehGregor> Maybe there's an alternative script out there someone's written.
  458. # [22:19] <zewt> don't see problems with "} else {" with a .js file, though it's pretty dumb about indentation when statement-ending semicolons are missing
  459. # [22:19] <AryehGregor> For other languages it's fine, although occasionally annoying (like the PHP formatter always tries to leave whitespace at the end of lines in comments when it auto-breaks lines, and gets confused if you remove it).
  460. # [22:19] <zewt> eg. if you say foo() instead of foo(); it indents the next line
  461. # [22:19] <AryehGregor> No, .js is okay.
  462. # [22:20] <AryehGregor> Well, I don't do that, so I'm fine. :)
  463. # [22:20] <zewt> (i'm from a C background so I always stick a semicolon there anyway, so I don't hit that much)
  464. # [22:20] <zewt> that's what I mean--if it's sane, javascript inside html should use the same indentation rules as a .js file--not, of course, claiming that it's *actually* sane
  465. # [22:20] <AryehGregor> I did most of my early JavaScript for MediaWiki, whose style conventions say to use semicolons in JS, presumably so it looks more PHP-like.
  466. # [22:20] <zewt> yeah I see what you're saying for embedded JS
  467. # [22:21] <zewt> why would anyone want to make things look more like PHP? :)
  468. # [22:21] <AryehGregor> Because MediaWiki is written in PHP.
  469. # [22:21] <matijsb1> lol
  470. # [22:23] <zewt> ew:
  471. # [22:23] <zewt> let js = '<script.*type\s*=\s*.*java'
  472. # [22:24] <zewt> not sure what affect that has, but it looks like it doesn't know that <script> = <script type="text/javascript"> now
  473. # [22:24] <AryehGregor> Anyone want to write an HTML parser that does incremental updates as the user types? :)
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  475. # [22:24] <AryehGregor> <script> without a type works for me in vim . . .
  476. # [22:24] <zewt> it does seem to work--but something in the HTML indentor, at least, is matching that
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  479. # [22:26] <zewt> bleh: vim's indentation/highlighting is great when it works, but it makes me want to cut myself whenever I have to look at its configuration
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  481. # [22:26] <AryehGregor> Yes, the configuration is horrifying.
  482. # [22:27] <gsnedders> emacs ftw!
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  484. # [22:27] <gsnedders> *hides
  485. # [22:27] <zewt> run, coward, run
  486. # [22:27] <AryehGregor> The highlighting is almost always superb, much better than I've seen in any other editor (I haven't tried emacs, but assume it's comparably good).
  487. # [22:27] <AryehGregor> Although it has a few bugs, like parsing ?> as a PHP end tag for PHP even if it's inside a string literal.
  488. # [22:27] <AryehGregor> (comes up fairly often with regex)
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  492. # [22:38] <zewt> AryehGregor: the } else { problem does go away if I say <script type="text/javascript">
  493. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> Oh, really.
  494. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> I'll have to try that.
  495. # [22:38] <espadrine> zewt: some odd stuff then!
  496. # [22:38] <zewt> i'm guessing that can be fixed by fiddling with that regex
  497. # [22:38] <AryehGregor> If it works, I'm definitely going to be writing up a patch.
  498. # [22:39] <zewt> (the syntax coloring is still totally wrong--that is, not the same as it is in a .JS file)
  499. # [22:39] <AryehGregor> It's syntax-colored as JS, although it uses different actual colors.
  500. # [22:39] <zewt> (which I find more annoying than the indentation, I should probably look into that)
  501. # [22:40] <zewt> yeah, it should be using the exact same ruleset
  502. # [22:40] <AryehGregor> FWIW, in PHP, it switches into another language's colors if you use a heredoc. Like: $foo = <<HTML
  503. # [22:40] <AryehGregor> <b>Hello!</b>
  504. # [22:40] <AryehGregor> HTML;
  505. # [22:40] <AryehGregor> The <b>Hello!</b> gets highlighted as HTML.
  506. # [22:40] <AryehGregor> So that suggests maybe it's possible to embed another language's ruleset, but maybe it just reimplements everything too.
  507. # [22:41] <zewt> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3081 this seems to have some improvements, too, though I'm not crazy about forking Vim's configuration stuff--wonder if he knows to send patches
  508. # [22:41] <zewt> well ... it's on vim.org, so heh I don't know
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  510. # [22:44] <zewt> comments in the HTML highlighting script like '" JAVA SCRIPT' don't inspire a whole lot of confidence
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  522. # [23:03] <jgraham> AryehGregor: Well hober is writing a HTML parser for emacs whcih I assume will provide kickass highlighting and indentation :)
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  524. # [23:03] <jgraham> Probably not js-in-HTML though
  525. # [23:03] <AryehGregor> Not quite enough to get me to consider switching from vim to emacs at this point, I'm afraid.
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  527. # [23:04] <jgraham> Oh just admit it, you're only using vim because you accidentially started it once and still haven't figured out how to quit it
  528. # [23:04] <zewt> bleh guess I should try vim 7.3 before sending any mails about the highlighting stuff
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  531. # [23:06] <AryehGregor> jgraham, no, I'm using it because the server I originally used didn't have emacs installed, so when I graduated from nano I naturally switched to vim.
  532. # [23:07] <zewt> heh
  533. # [23:07] <zewt> :help!
  534. # [23:07] <AryehGregor> I think I might have even been root, but figured it wasn't worth an apt-get to try out emacs when vim was already installed.
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