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  1. # Session Start: Sat Apr 16 00:00:00 2011
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  14. # [00:23] <AryehGregor> It appears your aim is to perpetuate the confusion about what HTML5
  15. # [00:24] <AryehGregor> is, not for the good of anybody.
  16. # [00:24] <AryehGregor> Must say, you are doing a damned fine job.
  17. # [00:24] <AryehGregor> Surely that sort of comment violates the discussion policy.
  18. # [00:24] <AryehGregor> Or guidelines, whatever.
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  23. # [00:26] <Hixie> AryehGregor: it certainly would be sufficient for a one-week ban if someone spoke to someone else in that manner on the whatwg list
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  25. # [00:28] <TabAtkins> AryehGregor: Ping the chairs with the email?
  26. # [00:29] <AryehGregor> I considered it.
  27. # [00:29] <AryehGregor> Shrug.
  28. # [00:29] <AryehGregor> Maybe next time.
  29. # [00:29] <AryehGregor> It's at least the second like that I've seen in the last couple of days.
  30. # [00:29] <Philip`> Or just ignore it, because it's probably no less harmless than things people have said here
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  35. # [00:32] <AryehGregor> Probably.
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  39. # [00:43] <AryehGregor> Have any browsers considered just not serving Accept: headers anymore? They're a colossal waste of bytes, after all.
  40. # [00:44] <othermaciej> I think there are at least some sites that would break if you serve no Accept header at all
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  43. # [00:46] <jgraham> Possibly some of the other Accept.+ headers are not needed though
  44. # [00:47] <AryehGregor> othermaciej, what if you serve */*?
  45. # [00:47] <othermaciej> AryehGregor: sadly, that breaks some sites too
  46. # [00:47] <AryehGregor> If it's totally useless for long enough, maybe people would stop using it eventually and then it could be dropped.
  47. # [00:47] <AryehGregor> Oh well.
  48. # [00:48] <othermaciej> there are servers that look for specific entries, even if you also have */*
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  50. # [00:49] <othermaciej> we send: "Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8"
  51. # [00:49] <othermaciej> I think this is minimized for Web compatibility
  52. # [00:49] <othermaciej> some sites serve you bad content if you don't explicitly claim to support XHTML, or XML
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  54. # [00:50] <othermaciej> note that for most sub resources, though, we serve "Accept: */*"
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  56. # [00:51] <othermaciej> (I think it used to be necessary to mention PNG, but I think not any more)
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  58. # [00:51] <othermaciej> Accept-Language and Accept-Encoding are also required by compatibility
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  61. # [00:52] <othermaciej> wow, I don't think I've ever seen Google serve Flash on their homepage before
  62. # [00:52] <Hixie> didn't we serve flash for the pacman thing?
  63. # [00:53] <Hixie> and we've had youtube videos on there before
  64. # [00:53] <othermaciej> no, that was all done with real Web technology
  65. # [00:53] <othermaciej> and if you have plugins disabled, you just get a link to a search query
  66. # [00:54] <othermaciej> (presumably likewise for any case of "no Flash")
  67. # [00:55] <othermaciej> I may have missed previous cases of Flash YouTube videos
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  73. # [00:58] <Hixie> i'm pretty sure the audio for pacman was flash
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  76. # [01:00] <othermaciej> that's possible, I did not investigate beyond finding it was made out of divs
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  88. # [01:26] <TabAtkins> Abusing gradients to draw things is just as much fun as abusing borders to draw things was back in the day: http://jsfiddle.net/jJ9fP/4/
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  90. # [01:28] <aho> yea... it's amazingly pointless :)
  91. # [01:28] <aho> and headache inducing
  92. # [01:28] <aho> woo!
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  94. # [01:30] <bga_> nice
  95. # [01:31] <Hixie> that's messed up
  96. # [01:31] <Hixie> just like using borders for shapes :-P
  97. # [01:32] <Hixie> so i'm looking at adding events to media controllers to indicate when the slaves are ready, etc
  98. # [01:32] <Hixie> what events should fire when you add or remove a slave in a different state than the others?
  99. # [01:33] <Hixie> should we assume the author knows what he's doing when he adds a slave, and so not fire any events?
  100. # [01:33] <Hixie> should we act as if the slave had always been there but just switched from the state the others have to the state that it actually has?
  101. # [01:33] * Hixie ponders
  102. # [01:33] <Hixie> i don't really know when someone would dynamically add slaves
  103. # [01:33] <Hixie> so it's hard to construct sample code to work out what's best
  104. # [01:38] <karlcow> lea verou has done many funky stuff with gradients
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  107. # [01:50] <karlcow> any american citizen can be a dog with an ID online. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20054342-281.html
  108. # [01:51] <karlcow> The leash… is what dogs have.
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  133. # [03:01] <TabAtkins> karlcow: Interesting. The idea of a widespread open-id sort of thing has been floated before, and you need a large trusted id provider to make it work. Governments can play that function.
  134. # [03:02] <TabAtkins> Or rather, you need large trusted id providers, of which governments are one.
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  167. # [05:26] <random_username> does html5 have any webcam/streaming features? ie <video> tag etc
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  284. # [13:45] <karlcow> Marcos Caceres "Left Opera. If anyone needs a spec guy for a few months, let me know. Will spec for food." — http://twitter.com/marcosc/status/59191676845031425
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  395. # [21:13] <hsivonen> *the
  396. # [21:14] <hsivonen> great use of saddam's face next to discussion about a format THAT IS NOT EVEN XML
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