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  57. # [04:47] <mrbean> Hi, I have two floated divs with border, when I unfloat one, the border dissapears. What's going on? I'm using 4.01 strict.
  58. # [04:53] <erlehmann> mrbean, which browser?
  59. # [04:53] <erlehmann> show source
  60. # [04:53] <mrbean> firefox 4.0.1
  61. # [04:54] <mrbean> Source: http://pastebin.com/VjCUm4wz
  62. # [04:55] <mrbean> the second div has no border.
  63. # [04:56] <mrbean> Can't see it either in IE9.
  64. # [05:00] <tomasf> mrbean: the borders of those divs end up on top of eachother, so you only see one
  65. # [05:03] <mrbean> I see the second div under the first, they don't overlap.
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  67. # [05:06] <tomasf> try changing the size of one of them, and you'll see what I mean
  68. # [05:08] <mrbean> ok
  69. # [05:08] <mrbean> wow, you're right. i can see both.
  70. # [05:09] <mrbean> so htey overlapped but the content appeared below the border.
  71. # [05:09] <mrbean> weird.
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  73. # [05:11] <mrbean> thank you
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  148. # [15:46] <espadrine> Hixie: the EcmaScript committee is currently discussing the possible addition of a new script-related tag to handle backward-compatible breaks in the language.
  149. # [15:48] <espadrine> Hixie: something like <script-if type="application/ecmascript;version=6">
  150. # [15:48] <espadrine> // new.js inline-exanded here
  151. # [15:48] <espadrine> </script-if else>
  152. # [15:48] <espadrine> <script ...>
  153. # [15:48] <espadrine> </script>
  154. # [15:48] <espadrine> </script-if end>
  155. # [15:49] <espadrine> I believe it needs discussing with them.
  156. # [15:53] <Philip`> Is that a serious proposal?
  157. # [15:54] <Dashiva> I thought everyone was trying to move _away_ from inline script
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  159. # [15:55] <shichuan> looks ugly
  160. # [15:55] <erlehmann> also, they already have stuff like use strict
  161. # [15:56] <Dashiva> Could simply add another "use if-less-than 6" to old.js
  162. # [15:57] <Philip`> If people have to write both new.js and old.js, why don't they just write old.js and always use that and be done with it?
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  164. # [15:59] <Dashiva> Maybe new.js is faster
  165. # [16:01] * Philip` wonders if the plan is to break compatibility in order to replicate the massive success of Python 3.0
  166. # [16:02] <espadrine> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2011-May/014810.html
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  168. # [16:04] <Philip`> I think I kind of prefer syntax that is possible to represent with the DOM
  169. # [16:05] <Dashiva> "We discussed generating script tags via document.write conditioned by object detection and the like"
  170. # [16:05] <Dashiva> In the follow-up email
  171. # [16:06] <Philip`> Oh, that'd surely be a much better solution
  172. # [16:06] <erlehmann> this is weird shit
  173. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> Presumably, you would need <script-if type="application/ecmascript;version=6"><!-- code -->...
  174. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> That's what I missed most from the nineties
  175. # [16:07] <Dashiva> Are we going to need CDATA guards as well then?
  176. # [16:08] <Philip`> I suggest putting it all inside a <style> element, because that'll hide the text content from obsolete browsers and it'll indicate that you're selecting different styles of scripting language
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  180. # [16:09] <Philip`> Dashiva: No, we're just going to drop XHTML support entirely, either via document.write or non-DOM structures
  181. # [16:09] <espadrine> Mostly, ES.next includes new ways to monkey-patch with "proxies", and new keywords like "let" and "const"
  182. # [16:09] <espadrine> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:proposals
  183. # [16:10] <Dashiva> Philip`: Nothing that can't be solved with sufficient nesting
  184. # [16:11] <Dashiva> <script-cond><script-if v6>...</script-if><script-elif v5>...</script-elif><script-else>...</script-else></script-cond>
  185. # [16:11] <Dashiva> (Quiz: What happens if script-elif is before script-if in DOM order)
  186. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> Dashiva, easy, implementation-defined
  187. # [16:13] <Ms2ger> I would suggest <!--[if es 6]><script></script><![endif]-->
  188. # [16:13] * AryehGregor sees <http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:typeof_null>, yay for back-compat?
  189. # [16:14] <Dashiva> <IE> Vindication at last!
  190. # [16:14] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, no, this is like XHTML2, we don't need back-compat anymore
  191. # [16:15] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, ah, good to know.
  192. # [16:16] <AryehGregor> The person who wrote that page seems to be Brendan Eich, though. Wasn't XHTML2 the product of non-browser-affiliated people?
  193. # [16:17] <Dashiva> I was hoping the non-compat efforts could be redirected to Dash
  194. # [16:17] <Dashiva> AryehGregor: Brandan isn't necessarily what you would consider a "browser guy"
  195. # [16:17] <Ms2ger> Well, that's the bigger problem, this might actually get implemented
  196. # [16:18] <AryehGregor> With a mode switch?
  197. # [16:18] <AryehGregor> Sigh.
  198. # [16:18] <espadrine> Brendan Eich already did implement some of ES.next in Firefox
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  237. # [19:20] <mitnavn> What's the consensus on wrapping a page's content in a section, separate from page header, nav and footer?
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  240. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> A section very rarely makes sense if there's only one
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  275. # [20:15] <yuhong> I'd just use the type attribute.
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  277. # [20:15] <yuhong> As for else-if, how about adding a new attribute which old browsers will ignore?
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  279. # [20:16] <yuhong> Most browsers already support the type attribute and will ignore scripts with unknown values.
  280. # [20:17] <Ms2ger> I believe you miss the point
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  292. # [20:45] <The_8472> <espadrine> Mostly, ES.next includes new ways to monkey-patch with "proxies", and new keywords like "let" and "const" <- huh? replacing/intercepting methods at runtime is quite easy already
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  294. # [20:46] <The_8472> or do you mean something being called when a property/method is not present?
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  296. # [20:50] <Philip`> The_8472: You can intercept unknown ones, and also enumeration and 'in' and 'delete' and stuff, I think
  297. # [20:51] <The_8472> with which ecmascript version?
  298. # [20:54] <Philip`> In http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:proxies or wherever they're documenting the new stuff
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  302. # [20:58] <The_8472> the proxy-api is a quite verbose. ruby's missing_method and handle_method or similar would seem to be easier to use in most cases
  303. # [20:59] <The_8472> ah
  304. # [20:59] <The_8472> most of them are optional
  305. # [20:59] <The_8472> nvm then
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  307. # [21:22] <AryehGregor> This netbook is stunningly slow.
  308. # [21:22] <AryehGregor> Like it's taking a couple of minutes to log in a user.
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  321. # [22:37] <Hixie> espadrine: version-driven conditionals are an antipattern on the web, because implementations don't implement versions atomically
  322. # [22:37] <Hixie> espadrine: better to design things to be backwards compatible with graceful fallback
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