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  1. # Session Start: Sat Oct 22 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> say you have a scheme foo://example.org/document1/part1
  4. # [00:00] <Hixie> and everything in foo://example.org/document1/* has to have the same unique origin
  5. # [00:00] <abarth> but if you use all of foo://example.org/document1/part1 as the origin, that won't be the case
  6. # [00:01] <Hixie> right
  7. # [00:01] <abarth> so, you want the ability to do something implementation-defined on a per-scheme basis?
  8. # [00:01] <abarth> e.g., be able to return whatever you want as the origin?
  9. # [00:02] <Hixie> well you have me rapidly wanting to not care about news readers and e-mail clients at this point, but previously, i just wanted something equivalent to the third <li> in the HTML spec
  10. # [00:02] <rniwa> jgraham: yeah, I think dynamic optimization can beat optimizing compilers in many cases
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  12. # [00:02] <Hixie> "If url identifies a resource that is its own trust domain (e.g. it identifies an e-mail on an IMAP server or a post on an NNTP server) then return a globally unique identifier specific to the resource identified by url, so that if this algorithm is invoked again for URLs that identify the same resource, the same identifier will be returned."
  13. # [00:02] <abarth> IMHO, we shouldn't worry about these cases
  14. # [00:03] <Hixie> ok
  15. # [00:03] <abarth> i think there's code in Gecko that does something like that
  16. # [00:03] <abarth> but I don't think other UAs have anything like that
  17. # [00:03] <Hixie> well yeah, other UAs don't have newsreaders or e-mail clients
  18. # [00:04] <jgraham> (cough)
  19. # [00:05] <Hixie> jgraham: how do you handle origins in your newsreaders or e-mail clients?
  20. # [00:06] <jgraham> No idea :)
  21. # [00:06] <jgraham> But I could probably ask if you are interested
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  25. # [00:13] <Hixie> jgraham: well, i'm stripping the text that made them work like in Firefox from HTML and deferring to [ORIGIN].
  26. # [00:13] <Hixie> jgraham: so if that affects you, let abarth know :-)
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  47. # [00:55] <rniwa> AryehGregor: yt?
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  68. # [02:42] <annevk> Is anyone following the URL work?
  69. # [02:43] <annevk> It seems to be going completely wrong
  70. # [02:43] <annevk> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/40 e.g. seems to suggest they somehow think the query component think is related to HTML forms...
  71. # [02:43] <annevk> s/think/thing/
  72. # [02:44] <annevk> I hope abarth will just define all URL processing together with the URL API
  73. # [02:44] <abarth> its a dream!
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  88. # [03:28] <annevk> abarth, pretty good one :)
  89. # [03:28] <annevk> Maybe once I'm a bit further with this WebVTT fun I can give the URL work one more chance and submit some comments
  90. # [03:31] <annevk> Oh man, Hixie's idea of ranges exposed to CSS in a <textarea> would make things pretty awesome for my WebVTT validator
  91. # [03:31] <annevk> I guess the alternative is dealing with the pain that is contenteditable=""
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  94. # [04:00] <annevk> Hixie, hey you here?
  95. # [04:01] <annevk> Hixie, wondering if you are interested in fixing WebVTT settings parsing
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  97. # [04:02] <annevk> dinnertime I guess
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  109. # [04:42] <annevk> The cue text tokenizer also seems buggy
  110. # [04:42] <annevk> Why would you append 0-9 to the buffer?
  111. # [04:42] <annevk> in fact, any character other than one of ampltg will result in the failure
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  118. # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, I just realized you were talking about getting the number of bugs down
  119. # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, I hope that does not apply to WebVTT bugs
  120. # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, if it does, sorry
  121. # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, maybe next time just opt for writing perfect text :p
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  150. # [06:30] <annevk> Hixie, should we set it up so that for bugs such as http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14541 one email goes to the WHATWG list so people at least know a bug has been filed?
  151. # [06:31] <annevk> Hixie, because currently there's no mailing list that gets such an indication which means it might end up getting ignored
  152. # [06:31] <divya> o i c
  153. # [06:31] <divya> (wrong window)
  154. # [06:33] <annevk> o i c
  155. # [06:33] <divya> :P
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  164. # [07:23] <annevk> Wait JavaScript does still not have "string"[-1] == "g"?!
  165. # [07:23] <annevk> What is the fun in writing val[val.length-1]?
  166. # [07:24] <zewt> bill by the character
  167. # [07:24] <divya> wow someone is discovering javascript i notice :)
  168. # [07:25] <divya> SOMEONE
  169. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> zewt: I too am faster than native, by the way
  170. # [07:25] <zewt> you should slow down, enjoy the scenery
  171. # [07:25] <divya> :)))
  172. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> heh
  173. # [07:26] <zewt> annevk: "string".substr(-1) works
  174. # [07:27] <divya> annevk: are u trying to write with python syntax in JS?
  175. # [07:27] <zewt> not a question of syntax...
  176. # [07:27] <annevk> divya, well I do sometimes forget the braces
  177. # [07:27] <annevk> divya, including the parenthesis
  178. # [07:27] <annevk> o_O
  179. # [07:28] <annevk> but they are caught quickly
  180. # [07:28] <annevk> [-1] just returns undefined
  181. # [07:28] <divya> hahahah travails of learning a new language.
  182. # [07:28] <zewt> uh heh
  183. # [07:30] <annevk> I think it's because Python is Dutch and therefore makes more sense
  184. # [07:30] <annevk> to me anyway
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  186. # [07:31] <zewt> python is good at everything except templating :(
  187. # [07:35] <MikeSmith> I'm trying to decide if my python skills are worse than my JS skills
  188. # [07:35] <annevk> Anyway, I have a working WebVTT cue text parser
  189. # [07:36] <annevk> Including serializer it is less than 200 lines of JavaScript
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  195. # [08:35] <annevk> hober, don't put energy into Robert Leif man
  196. # [08:36] <annevk> hober, although you did get him to cite w3schools.com, which is fun
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  199. # [08:39] <annevk> Is there some kind of common serialization format in use for WebVTT I can use for tests?
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  221. # [10:15] <annevk> foolip, I filed a bunch of WebVTT bugs, but I did not include <track> in the title
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  224. # [10:34] <annevk> zcorpan, I posted an update
  225. # [10:35] <annevk> zcorpan, need some kind of test suite format
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  230. # [10:57] <zcorpan> annevk: nice. will check later
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  238. # [11:31] <Philip`> abarth: "then return generate a fresh globally unique identifier" has too many verbs
  239. # [11:32] <MikeSmith> Philip`: I think abarth intended a compound verb there
  240. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> either "then return-generate a fresh globally unique identifier" or "then generate-return a fresh globally unique identifier"
  241. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> he's very efficient that way
  242. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> Philip`: btw, the canvas test suite should be made to use testharness.js
  243. # [11:33] <MikeSmith> maybe somebody could work on that
  244. # [11:34] <Philip`> Somebody maybe could indeed
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  281. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <!-- Welcome to crazy town. Population: The Web. -->
  282. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> Hixie, so you noticed? :)
  283. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> + <!-- Now leaving crazy town. -->
  284. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> +
  285. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <hr>
  286. # [14:42] <Ms2ger>
  287. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <p>The <dfn title="dom-form-submit"><code>submit()</code></dfn>
  288. # [14:42] <Ms2ger> Ha. Ha. Ha.
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  344. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, btw, I did some work on making Philip`'s canvas tests use testharness.js, it's in a W3C bug somewhere
  345. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> Waiting for Philip`'s review
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  348. # [20:15] <Hixie> Ms2ger: hey compared to the part i labeled crazy town, form.submit() is nice and obvious. :-P
  349. # [20:17] <Philip`> It's crazy suburbs
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