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- # Session Start: Sat Oct 22 00:00:00 2011
- # Session Ident: #whatwg
- # [00:00] <Hixie> say you have a scheme foo://example.org/document1/part1
- # [00:00] <Hixie> and everything in foo://example.org/document1/* has to have the same unique origin
- # [00:00] <abarth> but if you use all of foo://example.org/document1/part1 as the origin, that won't be the case
- # [00:01] <Hixie> right
- # [00:01] <abarth> so, you want the ability to do something implementation-defined on a per-scheme basis?
- # [00:01] <abarth> e.g., be able to return whatever you want as the origin?
- # [00:02] <Hixie> well you have me rapidly wanting to not care about news readers and e-mail clients at this point, but previously, i just wanted something equivalent to the third <li> in the HTML spec
- # [00:02] <rniwa> jgraham: yeah, I think dynamic optimization can beat optimizing compilers in many cases
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- # [00:02] <Hixie> "If url identifies a resource that is its own trust domain (e.g. it identifies an e-mail on an IMAP server or a post on an NNTP server) then return a globally unique identifier specific to the resource identified by url, so that if this algorithm is invoked again for URLs that identify the same resource, the same identifier will be returned."
- # [00:02] <abarth> IMHO, we shouldn't worry about these cases
- # [00:03] <Hixie> ok
- # [00:03] <abarth> i think there's code in Gecko that does something like that
- # [00:03] <abarth> but I don't think other UAs have anything like that
- # [00:03] <Hixie> well yeah, other UAs don't have newsreaders or e-mail clients
- # [00:04] <jgraham> (cough)
- # [00:05] <Hixie> jgraham: how do you handle origins in your newsreaders or e-mail clients?
- # [00:06] <jgraham> No idea :)
- # [00:06] <jgraham> But I could probably ask if you are interested
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- # [00:13] <Hixie> jgraham: well, i'm stripping the text that made them work like in Firefox from HTML and deferring to [ORIGIN].
- # [00:13] <Hixie> jgraham: so if that affects you, let abarth know :-)
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- # [00:55] <rniwa> AryehGregor: yt?
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- # [02:42] <annevk> Is anyone following the URL work?
- # [02:43] <annevk> It seems to be going completely wrong
- # [02:43] <annevk> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/40 e.g. seems to suggest they somehow think the query component think is related to HTML forms...
- # [02:43] <annevk> s/think/thing/
- # [02:44] <annevk> I hope abarth will just define all URL processing together with the URL API
- # [02:44] <abarth> its a dream!
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- # [03:28] <annevk> abarth, pretty good one :)
- # [03:28] <annevk> Maybe once I'm a bit further with this WebVTT fun I can give the URL work one more chance and submit some comments
- # [03:31] <annevk> Oh man, Hixie's idea of ranges exposed to CSS in a <textarea> would make things pretty awesome for my WebVTT validator
- # [03:31] <annevk> I guess the alternative is dealing with the pain that is contenteditable=""
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- # [04:00] <annevk> Hixie, hey you here?
- # [04:01] <annevk> Hixie, wondering if you are interested in fixing WebVTT settings parsing
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- # [04:02] <annevk> dinnertime I guess
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- # [04:42] <annevk> The cue text tokenizer also seems buggy
- # [04:42] <annevk> Why would you append 0-9 to the buffer?
- # [04:42] <annevk> in fact, any character other than one of ampltg will result in the failure
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- # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, I just realized you were talking about getting the number of bugs down
- # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, I hope that does not apply to WebVTT bugs
- # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, if it does, sorry
- # [05:11] <annevk> Hixie, maybe next time just opt for writing perfect text :p
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- # [06:30] <annevk> Hixie, should we set it up so that for bugs such as http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14541 one email goes to the WHATWG list so people at least know a bug has been filed?
- # [06:31] <annevk> Hixie, because currently there's no mailing list that gets such an indication which means it might end up getting ignored
- # [06:31] <divya> o i c
- # [06:31] <divya> (wrong window)
- # [06:33] <annevk> o i c
- # [06:33] <divya> :P
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- # [07:23] <annevk> Wait JavaScript does still not have "string"[-1] == "g"?!
- # [07:23] <annevk> What is the fun in writing val[val.length-1]?
- # [07:24] <zewt> bill by the character
- # [07:24] <divya> wow someone is discovering javascript i notice :)
- # [07:25] <divya> SOMEONE
- # [07:25] <MikeSmith> zewt: I too am faster than native, by the way
- # [07:25] <zewt> you should slow down, enjoy the scenery
- # [07:25] <divya> :)))
- # [07:25] <MikeSmith> heh
- # [07:26] <zewt> annevk: "string".substr(-1) works
- # [07:27] <divya> annevk: are u trying to write with python syntax in JS?
- # [07:27] <zewt> not a question of syntax...
- # [07:27] <annevk> divya, well I do sometimes forget the braces
- # [07:27] <annevk> divya, including the parenthesis
- # [07:27] <annevk> o_O
- # [07:28] <annevk> but they are caught quickly
- # [07:28] <annevk> [-1] just returns undefined
- # [07:28] <divya> hahahah travails of learning a new language.
- # [07:28] <zewt> uh heh
- # [07:30] <annevk> I think it's because Python is Dutch and therefore makes more sense
- # [07:30] <annevk> to me anyway
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- # [07:31] <zewt> python is good at everything except templating :(
- # [07:35] <MikeSmith> I'm trying to decide if my python skills are worse than my JS skills
- # [07:35] <annevk> Anyway, I have a working WebVTT cue text parser
- # [07:36] <annevk> Including serializer it is less than 200 lines of JavaScript
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- # [08:35] <annevk> hober, don't put energy into Robert Leif man
- # [08:36] <annevk> hober, although you did get him to cite w3schools.com, which is fun
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- # [08:39] <annevk> Is there some kind of common serialization format in use for WebVTT I can use for tests?
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- # [10:15] <annevk> foolip, I filed a bunch of WebVTT bugs, but I did not include <track> in the title
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- # [10:34] <annevk> zcorpan, I posted an update
- # [10:35] <annevk> zcorpan, need some kind of test suite format
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- # [10:57] <zcorpan> annevk: nice. will check later
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- # [11:31] <Philip`> abarth: "then return generate a fresh globally unique identifier" has too many verbs
- # [11:32] <MikeSmith> Philip`: I think abarth intended a compound verb there
- # [11:33] <MikeSmith> either "then return-generate a fresh globally unique identifier" or "then generate-return a fresh globally unique identifier"
- # [11:33] <MikeSmith> he's very efficient that way
- # [11:33] <MikeSmith> Philip`: btw, the canvas test suite should be made to use testharness.js
- # [11:33] <MikeSmith> maybe somebody could work on that
- # [11:34] <Philip`> Somebody maybe could indeed
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- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <!-- Welcome to crazy town. Population: The Web. -->
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> Hixie, so you noticed? :)
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> + <!-- Now leaving crazy town. -->
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> +
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <hr>
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger>
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> <p>The <dfn title="dom-form-submit"><code>submit()</code></dfn>
- # [14:42] <Ms2ger> Ha. Ha. Ha.
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- # [19:44] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, btw, I did some work on making Philip`'s canvas tests use testharness.js, it's in a W3C bug somewhere
- # [19:44] <Ms2ger> Waiting for Philip`'s review
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- # [20:15] <Hixie> Ms2ger: hey compared to the part i labeled crazy town, form.submit() is nice and obvious. :-P
- # [20:17] <Philip`> It's crazy suburbs
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