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  44. # [02:01] <heycam> Hixie, I've allowed typedefs to specify extended attributes as part of their definition now. you might like to use that for event listener attributes to avoid duplicating [TreatNonCallableAsNone] everywhere
  45. # [02:02] <heycam> Hixie, e.g. `typedef [TreatNonCallableAsNone] Function EventListener; … interface Whatever { attribute EventListener onfoo; }`
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  117. # [05:38] <MikeSmith> looking at http://caniuse.com/#feat=fileapi
  118. # [05:39] <MikeSmith> what is partial about File API support in current Firefox?
  119. # [05:46] <zewt> no filesystem API, iirc
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  224. # [11:28] <annevk> how does the chunked-text stuff relate to the stream stuff?
  225. # [11:28] <annevk> do we really need chunked-text if we have stream?
  226. # [11:28] <annevk> related keyword: XMLHttpRequest
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  233. # [11:49] <dating> http://netdate.dk/ :-)
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  235. # [11:50] <annevk> krijn: should we nuke that kind of spam from the logs?
  236. # [11:50] <krijn> Happens a lot?
  237. # [11:51] <annevk> not sure, but maybe once they realize it can work
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  246. # [12:11] <jgraham> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6455.txt
  247. # [12:15] <annevk> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455
  248. # [12:15] <jgraham> annevk: But that's not a Real Not-Standard
  249. # [12:16] <annevk> is rfc-editor really the preferred address?
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  251. # [12:16] <annevk> doubt that somewhat
  252. # [12:17] <annevk> but tools.ietf.org is by far the most useful imo
  253. # [12:17] <annevk> and I encourage everyone to link to that one from standards
  254. # [12:22] <jgraham> It's the one that gets linked in the announcement email at least
  255. # [12:22] <jgraham> I agree the other one is better in every way
  256. # [12:23] <jgraham> One day we might even get past the whole "but what if I want to print it on my daisy wheel printer from 1970?" thing
  257. # [12:23] <jgraham> (sigh)
  258. # [12:24] <annevk> just need to stop doing things at the IETF
  259. # [12:30] <jgraham> That would route around the damage of course
  260. # [12:31] <annevk> aah, no mike
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  266. # [12:52] <annevk> fwiw
  267. # [12:52] <annevk> I started drafting some text on the encoding stuff
  268. # [12:53] <annevk> at this point it's labels and the definition
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  270. # [12:53] <annevk> e.g. "iso-8859-1", "windows-1252", and the mapping table for them
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  300. # [14:57] <annevk> https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/146204630831996929 maybe Anolis should strip out the <dfn> related title attributes?
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  306. # [15:11] <zcorpan> i find the tooltips useful, but then i don't use AT
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  308. # [15:13] <annevk> yeah me too
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  310. # [15:13] <annevk> I somewhat doubt they disable it because of how standards make use of tooltips
  311. # [15:13] <annevk> at least, I would expect the typical AT user not to read standards
  312. # [15:14] <zcorpan> just like the typical non-AT user doesn't read standards? or more so for AT users?
  313. # [15:16] <annevk> not sure if that's relevant
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  338. # [16:00] <zcorpan> ah, so that's how we should deal with feature requests. "just relax during the coming weekend. if you still care about the use case on monday, get back to us"
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  340. # [16:01] <annevk> where is that from?
  341. # [16:03] <miketaylr> heh
  342. # [16:03] <miketaylr> xhr responseType json thread
  343. # [16:03] <annevk> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/encoding/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
  344. # [16:03] <zcorpan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/1460.html
  345. # [16:03] <annevk> Encoding Standard ^^
  346. # [16:04] <annevk> very much work in progress
  347. # [16:04] <annevk> and feedback wanted, too
  348. # [16:04] <zcorpan> oooh. annevk++
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  354. # [16:10] <zcorpan> annevk: it's not clear what the missing rows should be
  355. # [16:10] <zcorpan> oh wait
  356. # [16:11] <zcorpan> "Unless stated otherwise, in an 8-bit encoding the octet's hexadecimal value maps to a code point of the same hexadecimal value."
  357. # [16:11] <annevk> those things can be tidied up somewhat
  358. # [16:11] <annevk> for now I just wanted to get the basics out there
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  361. # [16:12] <zcorpan> yep. looks nice
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  365. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> it would be great if caniuse.com provided a number to indicate how many browser engines support a particular feature
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  367. # [16:23] <MikeSmith> and then expose an API for getting just that number
  368. # [16:24] <MikeSmith> the percentages it currently lists don't really seem very useful in practice
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  437. # [17:50] <ksweeney> what's the best way to inform spec author of a typo?
  438. # [17:50] <ksweeney> this room?
  439. # [17:50] <Ms2ger> Which spec?
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  441. # [17:51] <ksweeney> html5
  442. # [17:51] <Ms2ger> File a bug with the widget
  443. # [17:52] <ksweeney> thanks
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  465. # [18:41] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  467. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> Morning dglazkov
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  482. # [19:08] <divya> dglazkov: can I trouble you with my queries over understanding http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
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  487. # [19:18] <david_carlisle> annevk: do you know whetehr there are differences from the mappings on the unicode site, eg http://unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1254.TXT
  488. # [19:18] <david_carlisle> spelling:-(
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  490. # [19:21] <divya> i guess dglazkov has a script running to chime in good morning every morning :|
  491. # [19:22] <zewt> it's annoying that this window gets highlighted for a null message every day, heh
  492. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> /ignore dglazkov
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  494. # [19:28] <zewt> david_carlisle: well, 0x8D (and so on) are undefined according to unicode, but to U+008D in that page aaaaaand where'd he go
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  496. # [19:31] <zewt> annevk: fwiw, isn't the U+FFFD mapping correct in those cases, and the unity mapping the one that's wrong?
  497. # [19:32] <zewt> (no idea if there's content expecting it; i guess if IE does it then it's likely)
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  522. # [20:07] <jgraham> divya: Maybe you should just ask the room and we can puzzle it out together. Then dglazkov can tell us how wrong we were later on
  523. # [20:07] <divya> woot then let me do just that jgraham
  524. # [20:08] <divya> so here is the early draft i am reading http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/explainer/index.html
  525. # [20:08] <divya> there is this sentence "If the document changes so that the decorate property no longer applies, the decorator is unapplied, returning the rendering of the element back to the pre-decoration state."
  526. # [20:09] * jernoble|afk is now known as jernoble
  527. # [20:09] <divya> I am wondering why does it simply not say if the selectors no longer match rather than document changes so that…
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  530. # [20:13] <jgraham> Are the two not equivalent?
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  533. # [20:14] <divya> that is what I wanted clarification on.
  534. # [20:15] <divya> I assumed as much, but the wording seems to imply more at play than typical css selector matching? maybe its just me.
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  536. # [20:18] <divya> "The script is run once when the decorator element is parsed or inserted into the document."
  537. # [20:20] <divya> nvm that quote, just ignorant me.
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  539. # [20:28] <divya> dglazkov: pardon me and my flood of bugs
  540. # [20:29] <Ms2ger> annevk, did you retest Gecko for your encoding work?
  541. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> I thought I fixed the 7F-9F stuff...
  542. # [20:34] <TabAtkins> divya: They're equivalent. File a bug on the document to make him change the language, as your wording is more natural.
  543. # [20:35] <divya> k done that TabAtkins
  544. # [20:38] <dglazkov> divya: no, this is great!
  545. # [20:38] <dglazkov> divya++
  546. # [20:38] <dglazkov> sorry, I was absent. irccloud makes me feel omnipresent
  547. # [20:38] <divya> haha okay dglazkov expect more!!
  548. # [20:39] <dglazkov> divya: this is great stuff
  549. # [20:39] <divya> i assumed you were putting out fires else where as per your godly duties.
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  551. # [20:40] <dglazkov> well. I got the flu. so duties are a bit ... mucousey.
  552. # [20:40] <divya> was that what seattle was the recipient of this morning then
  553. # [20:41] <dglazkov> divya: but please do file bugs. I will go through them and edit the 'splainer. This is great stuff.
  554. # [20:41] <divya> k awesomes doing that now dl
  555. # [20:41] <divya> err dglazkov
  556. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> Hm, I wonder if I can construct a timing attack using feComponentTransfer and <foreignElement>.
  557. # [20:41] * dglazkov parades divya and tells everyone that they should be like her and read the 'splainer and file bugs.
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  559. # [20:42] <dglazkov> :)
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  563. # [20:52] <TabAtkins> Philip`: I can't find a link to your demonstration of a timing-channel attack on canvas to extract font data.
  564. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> foreignContent?
  565. # [20:52] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Yes.
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  571. # [21:08] <tantek> TabAtkins - everytime I see <foreignElement> I hear the character "Mo" from Wall•E saying "FOREIGN ELEMENT" (in the same tone of voice that it said "FOREIGN CONTAMINANT"[1]) [1] http://www.youtube.com/embed/l6gZ9Sf_0HU
  572. # [21:09] <TabAtkins> Hehe
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  574. # [21:17] <Philip`> TabAtkins: http://philip.html5.org/demos/canvas/font-timing.html
  575. # [21:17] <Philip`> TabAtkins: (Also related: http://philip.html5.org/demos/canvas/img-timing-1.html http://philip.html5.org/demos/canvas/img-timing-2.html http://philip.html5.org/demos/canvas/img-timing-3.html )
  576. # [21:18] <Philip`> (Some only work in some browsers)
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  578. # [21:20] * Philip` wonders if anyone has tried fixing canvas timing attacks yet, or at least filed bugs about it
  579. # [21:20] <Ms2ger> Mozilla has a bug, at least
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  601. # [22:25] <zewt> http://meobets.com/~bai/google-font-fail.png really, google?
  602. # [22:27] <TabAtkins> TEXT SO TINY
  603. # [22:27] <Ms2ger> "Dismiss" is clearly the right response
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  605. # [22:27] <zewt> should say "dismiss angrily"
  606. # [22:30] <miketaylr> i get that warning on my wife's chromebook too, at 100%
  607. # [22:30] <Ms2ger> That's why you shouldn't get chromebooks
  608. # [22:31] <zewt> google products not working well on google products is ... heh
  609. # [22:31] <zewt> very corporate?
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  630. # [23:13] <gsnedders> A new XSLT bug report.
  631. # [23:13] <gsnedders> Wow.
  632. # [23:14] <divya> from who
  633. # [23:14] <gsnedders> No idea.
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  636. # [23:19] <jgraham> They reported XSLT as a bug?
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  638. # [23:21] <miketaylr> :D
  639. # [23:22] <divya> :D
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  642. # [23:23] <hober> jgraham++
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  648. # [23:38] <gsnedders> jgraham: Sadly not.
  649. # [23:38] <gsnedders> jgraham: On the face of it an HTML5 parser bug, so I'm blaming you.
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  651. # [23:41] <jgraham> You could do something more constructive and CC me on the bug instead :)
  652. # [23:42] <gsnedders> jgraham: I was in the process of doing so
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  657. # [23:47] <jgraham> Oh, that's totally a HTML parser bug, yes
  658. # [23:47] <gsnedders> Presumably caused by namespacing HTML elements now
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  660. # [23:50] <jgraham> Hmm, I'm not sure why you think that
  661. # [23:51] <Philip`> When in doubt, blame namespaces
  662. # [23:52] <jgraham> Who is to blame for XSLT in the platform anyway?
  663. # [23:52] <gsnedders> Oh, I'm being stupid.
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  665. # [23:55] <gsnedders> annevk5: Or html5 should use data-anolis-xref or whatever the attribute is called
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  669. # [23:58] <jgraham> It seems Peter Van der Beken did the Mozilla implementation in 2000. Dunno if they were first or not
  670. # [23:59] <jgraham> Oh, IE had it in 1998
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  672. # [23:59] <gsnedders> Yeah, IE was first.
  673. # [23:59] <gsnedders> Mozilla was still too busy, well, rewritting the whole browser.
  674. # [23:59] <gsnedders> *rewriting
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