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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 11 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <annevk> 'The “let” keyword has been unreserved in JavaScriptCore as reserving it caused compatibility problems.' aah
  4. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> wut
  5. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> Do they... do they think that ES will just *not use* 'let'?
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  7. # [00:02] <annevk> just quoting from peter.sh
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  10. # [00:06] <rubys> tabatkins: not being a reserved word does *not* mean that it won't be used.
  11. # [00:06] <rubys> it just means that var let=1; will still be valid.
  12. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> Ah, that's right.
  13. # [00:07] <rubys> there are extremely few places in the grammar where "token1 token2" is valid, so sequences that have 'let' immediately followed by a token may still be viable.
  14. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> Oh yeah, I remember some of this stuff. ES6 is trying to unreserve more keywords, too, as there's often no reason to prevent a keyword from being an array key or such.
  15. # [00:07] <TabAtkins> object key, that is.
  16. # [00:07] <rubys> understood
  17. # [00:08] <rubys> some languages have no reserve words (REXX is one)
  18. # [00:08] <rubys> reserved*
  19. # [00:09] <annevk> ah yeah, I think that tripped me up actually in ES a number of times
  20. # [00:09] <annevk> and more recently in Web IDL
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  53. # [01:54] <Hixie> hey TabAtkins, yt? is there a formal way of saying "apply the table at http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#dis-pos-flo " these days?
  54. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> What's the context? You have an input display type, and want the computed value from the table?
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  56. # [01:55] <Hixie> yeah
  57. # [01:55] <Hixie> i'm adding a new 'position' keyword like you suggested
  58. # [01:55] <TabAtkins> No formal way beyond what you just quoted.
  59. # [01:55] <Hixie> but need it to convert 'display' to block
  60. # [01:55] <Hixie> k
  61. # [01:56] <Hixie> so it's not in a css3 draft yet or anything
  62. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Nah.
  63. # [01:56] <Hixie> k
  64. # [01:56] <Hixie> thanks
  65. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> That would be the Box Module, which no one wants to work on yet.
  66. # [01:56] <TabAtkins> Which means I think I'll do it at the end of the year or so.
  67. # [01:56] <Hixie> brave man
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  71. # [02:00] <Hixie> ok!
  72. # [02:00] <Hixie> <dialog> is done, i believe
  73. # [02:00] <Hixie> oh crap
  74. # [02:00] <Hixie> i forgot <form method=dialog> again
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  77. # [02:05] <Hixie> i wonder if i should somehow make method=dialog invalid if the <form> isn't in a <dialog>
  78. # [02:05] <Hixie> hm, when we talked about this earlier i think we decided it could be useful for other purposes huh
  79. # [02:05] <TabAtkins> Outside of a dialog, it would just be a form that never navigates, right?
  80. # [02:07] <Hixie> yeah
  81. # [02:07] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I'd find that useful. I always forget exactly how I'm supposed to stop navigation, and end up just doing all of them.
  82. # [02:07] <Hixie> fallback behaviour is suboptimal in legacy UAs but not fatally so
  83. # [02:08] <Hixie> yeah i usually end up doing action="javascript:void(0)"
  84. # [02:08] <Hixie> so for legacy purposes you could do method=dialog action="that"
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  90. # [02:19] <Hixie> okie dokie
  91. # [02:19] <Hixie> <dialog> is now done! i think.
  92. # [02:19] <Hixie> (also inert="", though only in the whatwg copy)
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  94. # [02:20] <Hixie> (not sure if i should limit method=dialog to the whatwg copy also... anyone? i guess it wasn't mentioned in your CP, right hober?)
  95. # [02:21] <Hixie> i guess i'll exclude it
  96. # [02:21] <Hixie> since maciej said to err on the side of caution with respect to the feature freeze
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  98. # [02:25] <Hixie> oh, oops, i never got around to referencing FULLSCREEN
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  105. # [02:30] <hober> yeah, we left the form integration for v2
  106. # [02:31] <Hixie> k, i've left that out of the w3c copy
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  108. # [02:31] <Hixie> (it's like five lines...)
  109. # [02:31] <Hixie> (ok maybe five paragraphs)
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  114. # [02:43] <Hixie> ok.
  115. # [02:43] <Hixie> NOW i have finished <dialog>.
  116. # [02:43] <Hixie> right?
  117. # [02:43] <Hixie> right?
  118. # [02:44] * hober hopes so! :)
  119. # [02:50] <Hixie> checked in.
  120. # [02:50] <Hixie> tomorrow i begin on the CSP refactoring
  121. # [02:51] <Hixie> actually i guess i'll have to reply to these dialog e-mails first
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  136. # [03:27] <abarth> Hixie: seamless has some pretty funny bugs
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  138. # [03:27] <abarth> Hixie: turns out you can't ever load anything into a seamless iframe
  139. # [03:28] <abarth> Hixie: i'll send an email to whatwg to explain
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  145. # [03:43] <zewt> sort of funny to see people recommending canvas features that are pretty much identical to opengl minus a decade or so
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  147. # [03:45] <zewt> i guess not really, strictly speaking, since blend functions are still fixed
  148. # [03:45] <Hixie> abarth: heh, k
  149. # [03:45] <abarth> Hixie: it's not actually as bad as I thought, but there is a bug in there
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  152. # [03:55] <Hixie> abarth: btw, i'm planning on starting the CSP/sandbox refactoring tomorrow
  153. # [03:55] <abarth> Hixie: thanks
  154. # [03:56] <abarth> I think the main trickiness is that we'll want to be able to sandbox top-level documents
  155. # [03:56] <Hixie> yup
  156. # [03:56] <Hixie> re: seamless - um, yeah, oops
  157. # [03:56] <abarth> I probably sent you an email about the sandbox stuff. let me know if there's anything I can do to help
  158. # [03:57] <Hixie> i expect tomorrow i'll just be printing and reading the CSP spec :-)
  159. # [03:58] <abarth> the sandbox requirements use "as if", which is always kind of sketchy
  160. # [03:58] <Hixie> yeah
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  224. # [09:11] <annevk> new cherry tomatoes at the AH
  225. # [09:11] <annevk> it's a good day
  226. # [09:15] <nesta_> annevk :)
  227. # [09:16] <smaug____> AH must be Albert Heijn or some such
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  237. # [09:45] <annevk> I should use argument defaulting in XHR in general I guess
  238. # [09:45] <annevk> would simplify open() nicely
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  240. # [09:52] <Ms2ger> Not much, I think
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  242. # [09:54] <Ms2ger> I only managed to use it for async
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  246. # [10:10] <wilhelm> How stable is the chapter on the <time> element now? Was the feud of last year resolved?
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  248. # [10:22] <smaug____> wilhelm: does any browser engine implement <time> ?
  249. # [10:22] <smaug____> looks like Opera
  250. # [10:22] <smaug____> ok, that is a better sign
  251. # [10:22] <wilhelm> smaug____: Opera implemented it before it was removed and put back again.
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  253. # [10:22] <smaug____> ahaa
  254. # [10:23] <smaug____> in many cases I'd wait for 2+ implementations before calling anything stable
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  257. # [10:25] <wilhelm> Indeed. I was merely wondering whether significant changes were planned, however. (I've returned my browser vendor hat, wearing the web developer hat today. “Let's use the <time> element!”, said one of the people I work with, pointing to documentation from, well, 2010. :)
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  303. # [13:15] <annevk> heh 竼 is indeed cool
  304. # [13:15] <annevk> 竼 MAN WITH BAZOOKA
  305. # [13:15] <annevk> (re some time yesterday MikeSmith)
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  307. # [13:18] <hsivonen> material for Fake Unicode Consortium on G+
  308. # [13:22] <hsivonen> is it really the expectation that xmlDoc.load() fails if the caller is a document.open()ed document?
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  311. # [13:31] <zcorpan> hmm, it needs a K-something in the name
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  358. # [15:24] <zcorpan> http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fembed.spotify.com%2F%3Furi%3Dspotify%3Atrack%3A4bz7uB4edifWKJXSDxwHcs
  359. # [15:25] <zcorpan> (or check the Image Report)
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  371. # [16:03] <annevk> http://blog.whatwg.org/weekly-fullscreen-dialog
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  375. # [16:12] <zcorpan> man the spec for innerHTML in xml needs a rewrite
  376. # [16:15] <zcorpan> here's a starting point for the replacement that's probably better than what's currently there: ¯\(°_o)/¯
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  382. # [16:24] <annevk> it's not SGML?
  383. # [16:24] <annevk> or is that mother?
  384. # [16:27] <annevk> I need context https://twitter.com/__farre__/status/190073001029550080
  385. # [16:27] <annevk> anyone?
  386. # [16:30] <zcorpan> i guess CORE-45384
  387. # [16:31] <annevk> heh
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  397. # [17:04] <tohava> how would you recommend testing via javascript if a browser supports binary websocket frames?
  398. # [17:04] <tohava> also, does safari 5.1.5 support binary frames?
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  400. # [17:09] <zcorpan> var binarySupported = (function(){ var s = new WebSocket('ws://example.invalid/'); s.close(); return 'binaryType' in s })();
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  403. # [17:10] <zcorpan> per spec this should work but it doesn't in all browsers yet: var binarySupported = 'binaryType' in WebSocket.prototype;
  404. # [17:11] <tomasf_> tohava: I think Safari still only supports draft 00 web sockets, but I could be wrong
  405. # [17:12] <tohava> tomasf, safari does hixie-76, but for some reason autobahn automated tests insist it supports binary frames in some way, this is why i'm confused
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  407. # [17:12] <tomasf_> aha
  408. # [17:13] <zcorpan> a testsuite should just go "FAIL" for -76
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  422. # [17:48] <Hixie> wilhelm: i'm not aware of any outstanding feedback, but the htmlwg is still working through their bureaucracy dealing with the issues they raised on it months ago
  423. # [17:48] <annevk> http://www.peterkroener.de/die-karte-des-html5-universums/ is kind of cool
  424. # [17:48] <annevk> except WHATWG does not publish HTML5, but that's a minor typo
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  428. # [18:05] <tohava> zcorpan, would it be better in your binary test example to use ws://127.0.0.1?
  429. # [18:05] <tohava> (we're not sure since we're worried that antivirus software might consider us hostile due to this)
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  443. # [18:40] <MikeSmith> I see the discussion in the coremob group has reached the point where it's clear that it's all about targeting the "Android 2.2 Froyo and iOS5 default browsers"
  444. # [18:40] <MikeSmith> that didn't take long
  445. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> wonder how long it will be before we have a "Best viewed in iOS or Android default browser." badge
  446. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> Never
  447. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> "Best viewed in iOS default browser", sure
  448. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> "Best viewed in Android default browser", sure
  449. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> But allowing both? Nah
  450. # [18:43] <MikeSmith> time to put WebGL into ring 0
  451. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> How about window.opera?
  452. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> yeah, that too
  453. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> I think the criteria for ring 0 should be that at least one browser project has shipped an implementation on a browser for mobile devices
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  455. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> isn't the point of this effort to drive browser projects to actually implement support for the platform?
  456. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> it is really misguided to capitulate to restrictiing the feature set to only those which the majority market share browsers implement
  457. # [18:47] <MikeSmith> the intention seems to be to intentionally restrict things such that we have some browsers that pass everything in ring 0
  458. # [18:48] <MikeSmith> which is way different from the philosophy of the ACID tests, which were initially at least, Everybody Fails.
  459. # [18:48] <MikeSmith> setting up a test so that you intentionally restrict it in a way that ensures that particular browsers are always going to pass, that's .. wrong
  460. # [18:50] <tantek> MikeSmith, agreed.
  461. # [18:50] <MikeSmith> anyway, can at least look forward to the lulz forthcoming from further rationalizations about why this approach is good idea
  462. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> Is DRM in ring 0 already?
  463. # [18:50] <MikeSmith> heh
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  465. # [18:51] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: it will be when default Android and i0S support it
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  467. # [18:52] <MikeSmith> I wonder if they understand how this makes the barrier of entry for lower market-share mobile browsers that much higher
  468. # [18:53] <MikeSmith> this is exactly like creating a conformance level for desktop that restricts itself to only what's implemented in IE9
  469. # [18:54] <MikeSmith> anyway, I guess I should shut up
  470. # [18:54] <tantek> no no, I think you're on a roll :)
  471. # [18:55] <tantek> MikeSmith - let me know when -webkit- prefixed properties make it into ring 0.
  472. # [18:55] <Ms2ger> They haven't yet?
  473. # [18:55] <tantek> then you'll know they're not even pretending to care about other browser engines.
  474. # [18:56] <Ms2ger> Surely we're all going to implement -webkit- prefixes?
  475. # [18:56] <gsnedders> tantek: I saw claims they already have.
  476. # [18:56] <MikeSmith> some of the apple-specific meta tags were in there before, iirc
  477. # [18:56] <MikeSmith> but I think they were since removed
  478. # [18:57] <karlcow> MikeSmith: I have the feeling that the audience is not defined. Marketers/Journalists or Browsers Implementers. The discussion seems to revolve around the first group. When the interesting question is what is needed for *Core* Mobile tech.
  479. # [18:57] <MikeSmith> um
  480. # [18:57] <gsnedders> If I want an HTML WYSIWYG editor, to edit really minimal content in — basically provided headers, lists, and paragraphs work fine, that's good for me.
  481. # [18:57] <karlcow> As usual, the tool displaying a score will become a certificate
  482. # [18:57] <gsnedders> *What do I want?
  483. # [18:57] <tantek> "Core" is political term
  484. # [18:58] <MikeSmith> karlcow: I don't think anybody is trying to target "Marketers/Journalists" here. not as far as I can see. at least I hope to god not
  485. # [18:58] <MikeSmith> tantek: as is "Open"
  486. # [18:58] <MikeSmith> which is why I pretty much avoid using "Open"
  487. # [18:59] <Ms2ger> "Web"?
  488. # [19:01] <karlcow> any kind of Proxy browsers, UCWeb, Opera Mini, Kindle Fire, etc. should they be included in the level 0 of requirements of what they should do. Which market needs are we trying to address? Which population with which revenues? etc.
  489. # [19:02] <karlcow> Ms2ger: Web is over philosophically and politically loaded ;) </joke>
  490. # [19:02] <gsnedders> karlcow: Well, Kindle Fire is fundementally different to UCWeb and Mini.
  491. # [19:02] <MikeSmith> totally unrelated, but on the good-news side, it's encouraging to see that abarth isn't totally against the proposal to update the parsing algorithm to support <template>
  492. # [19:02] <karlcow> gsnedders: agreed
  493. # [19:02] <karlcow> different type of use cases
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  495. # [19:03] <gsnedders> UCWeb and Mini are *inherently* limited by their design. Kindle Fire shouldn't be black-box observably different from any other WebKit fork.
  496. # [19:03] <MikeSmith> and on the more good-news side, it looks like pointer lock is going to land in mozilla trunk soon
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  499. # [19:04] <MikeSmith> back about ring 0, any test-y thing like this should reward browser projects for shipping feature support, not give them a disincentive for doing so
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  501. # [19:05] <MikeSmith> e.g., case of WebGL support
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  508. # [19:15] <MikeSmith> speaking purely hypothetically, this would be an especially misguided approach for platforms where users have no choice about which browser (engines) they are allowed to install on the devices they've purchased
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  510. # [19:16] <MikeSmith> no I should really shut up
  511. # [19:23] <tantek> MikeSmith - difference between "Open" and "Core" is that "Open" tends to have fairly widely accepted principles and definitions, e.g. open source, open licenses etc. whereas "core" is always a one-off arbitrary distinction based on whoever is making the distinction - hence political.
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  513. # [19:24] <MikeSmith> tantek: true I guess
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  519. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> zcorpan: yes, it needs a rewrite
  520. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Patches welcome
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  535. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> I wonder how much more resources Mozilla could put on work for Firefox Mobile is i0S users had the choice to install it
  536. # [19:53] <MikeSmith> same thing for Opera Mobile
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  543. # [20:09] <hober> annevk: hey, so we're in the notifications wg now, yay!
  544. # [20:09] <MikeSmith> hober: yeah, thanks
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  546. # [20:09] <MikeSmith> and welcome :)
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  548. # [20:10] <MikeSmith> this helps to ensure that plh is not going to tell me to shut down the notifications wg and tell us to move it to a CG
  549. # [20:10] <MikeSmith> we are only chartered until June
  550. # [20:11] <MikeSmith> and I suggest that we haul ass to publish a LC draft soon
  551. # [20:11] <Ms2ger> Shut it down anyway
  552. # [20:11] <Ms2ger> Along with the HTMLWG
  553. # [20:11] <Ms2ger> That one certainly has more "Community" than "Working"
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  555. # [20:12] <MikeSmith> I'd be happy to shut down all WGs
  556. # [20:12] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  557. # [20:12] <MikeSmith> less work for me :)
  558. # [20:13] <MikeSmith> great idea to make the Web a free-for-all where
  559. # [20:13] <MikeSmith> ... where a CG can bind its work to specific products
  560. # [20:13] <MikeSmith> so let's definitely do more of that
  561. # [20:13] <zcorpan> tohava: what if the user has a server on localhost? (i dunno if browsers allow cross-network websocket like that...)
  562. # [20:14] <hober> MikeSmith annevk: first thing on the notifications agenda for me is to try to drive the permissioning issue to some kind of conclusion
  563. # [20:14] <MikeSmith> hober: oh please yes
  564. # [20:14] <hober> but first, i've got to finish up this canvas hit testing CP. :/
  565. # [20:15] <MikeSmith> hober: btw, after the meetings in May I am planning to not head back home til Sunday, so if you have time on Saturday, I hope to paint the town red
  566. # [20:15] <MikeSmith> along with annevk
  567. # [20:16] <hober> I'm flying to Germany that Saturday for the CSS F2F
  568. # [20:16] <hober> but friday night, it's *on*
  569. # [20:16] <MikeSmith> 了解
  570. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> effing CSS always seems to get in the way of unlimited debauchery
  571. # [20:19] <zcorpan> unlimited debauchery? wow
  572. # [20:19] <zcorpan> MikeSmith knows what the ultimate end point is
  573. # [20:19] <zcorpan> fuck standards
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  575. # [20:20] <MikeSmith> that's one of the very few things I know anything about
  576. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> Standards or debauchery?
  577. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> I know nothing about standards
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  579. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> standards just continue to find novel ways to confuse me
  580. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> You have no standards, that's something else ;)
  581. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> heh
  582. # [20:22] <MikeSmith> I am a world-class expert in debauchery
  583. # [20:22] <MikeSmith> Coxcombe, profligate, popinjay, rake, Bully Dawson, 道楽者
  584. # [20:22] <MikeSmith> I welcome anybody who wants to challenge me on that
  585. # [20:23] <TabAtkins> Cool, CSS Images 3 just went to CR.
  586. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, a duel at dawn?
  587. # [20:23] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: bring it on
  588. # [20:24] <Ms2ger> No thanks, my money is on you
  589. # [20:24] <MikeSmith> heh
  590. # [20:24] <MikeSmith> annevk: blog post don't mention location.parentOrigin. karlcow scooped you
  591. # [20:25] * karlcow who was making the point of being fashionably late… here goes my reputation. Damn
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  593. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2012-April/035348.html is a great message btw
  594. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> [[
  595. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> I constantly fear that origin scoping for security mechanisms is too
  596. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> coarse-grained in many use cases, because the complexity of what lives
  597. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> in any single origin is growing pretty rapidly. Sites put
  598. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> attacker-controlled content inside framed gadgets or advertisements,
  599. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> and can't be reasonably expected to understand that if such a frame is
  600. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> navigated to in a particular way, it may circumvent an origin-scoped
  601. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> check.
  602. # [20:26] <MikeSmith> ]]
  603. # [20:27] <zcorpan> nice - http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/04/html5-accessibility-chops-data-for-the-masses/
  604. # [20:27] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: Steve walks the walk
  605. # [20:28] <Ms2ger> Next: longdesc?
  606. # [20:30] <MikeSmith> I think Steve's conspicuous lack of public comment on longdesc makes his thoughts on it sorta conspicuous already
  607. # [20:31] <MikeSmith> when Steve has a strong position in support of something, he states it
  608. # [20:31] <TabAtkins> For example, he has a strong position that I am dumb as concrete.
  609. # [20:31] <MikeSmith> Steve ain't dumb
  610. # [20:32] <MikeSmith> he gets paid money to do real accessibility work for clients
  611. # [20:33] <MikeSmith> anyway, in general when you see other accessibility professionals in the group who do actual client/product work, and they don't come out strongly in support of something, that tells you somethng
  612. # [20:33] <zcorpan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708406 - anyone know where the data file went?
  613. # [20:35] <zcorpan> oh, there was an android version and a safari version
  614. # [20:36] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: sounds like you have complete support then
  615. # [20:40] * MikeSmith looks around for tantek to mention something about "open"
  616. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> Core
  617. # [20:40] <MikeSmith> instead I'll just say, https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2012-April/020182.html
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  619. # [20:42] <MikeSmith> "sharded" has become a verb now?
  620. # [20:42] <TabAtkins> Yes?
  621. # [20:42] <TabAtkins> Has been for some time.
  622. # [20:42] <karlcow> hmm list of urls
  623. # [20:43] <karlcow> the only issue I have with the surveys we all do is that we have a tendency to use the home page, which is a very specific type of page on a Web site
  624. # [20:45] <zcorpan> stevef's data seems to have lost the URLs, which makes it slightly less useful :-|
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  626. # [20:45] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: I guess I don't get around enough
  627. # [20:46] <karlcow> zcorpan: what do you mean? "lost"
  628. # [20:48] <zcorpan> karlcow: the downloaded pages have names like index-123.html and no mapping to the original URL of the page, afaict
  629. # [20:49] <karlcow> aaaah
  630. # [20:49] <karlcow> in his sample
  631. # [20:49] <zcorpan> yeah
  632. # [20:49] <karlcow> Maybe it is just a matter of telling him if he has the reference
  633. # [20:50] <zcorpan> he usually reads the logs and replies on twitter :-)
  634. # [20:54] <MikeSmith> much cheerz to chaals for speaking wisdome
  635. # [20:54] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-coremob/2012Apr/0062.html
  636. # [20:55] <MikeSmith> "The picture in Asia is much more mixed." etc.
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  638. # [20:55] <MikeSmith> though I suspect the response is effectively going to be, fuck asia
  639. # [20:56] <MikeSmith> because, who cares out those billions of people?
  640. # [20:57] <MikeSmith> since their web interactions don't translate into ad revenue
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  642. # [20:58] <MikeSmith> this discussion process is really useful, actually
  643. # [20:59] <MikeSmith> in that it clarifies that the goal is to target users whose web interactions are the most monetizable
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  653. # [21:18] <abarth> MikeSmith: I was skeptical of the <template> stuff at first, but I've come around. It's not actually that nutty a change.
  654. # [21:19] <MikeSmith> abarth: yeah, understood
  655. # [21:21] <karlcow> MikeSmith: definitely useful. Doing devrel it is another drawback we have. People very often creates their Web site for the very local market and/or thinking they will only have local users with the new top smartphone. Mirror effect? "Users are what I see in the mirror in the morning"
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  657. # [21:22] <MikeSmith> karlcow: that's actually a pretty smart business model for most orgs
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  659. # [21:23] <MikeSmith> it's not as if users in Indonesia or Ukraine are generating much revenue for various corpo-web properties/services
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  662. # [21:25] <karlcow> MikeSmith: for paid apps "maybe". For Ads revenues, I'm not that sure.
  663. # [21:25] <karlcow> that would be an interesting study to do.
  664. # [21:26] <MikeSmith> I think I know that the results of that study would be
  665. # [21:26] <annevk> MikeSmith: heh, location.targetOrigin was too obscure
  666. # [21:27] <annevk> MikeSmith: also, it's just an idea at this point
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  668. # [21:27] <isherman> Hixie: Any ETA on when you'll have some time to look in more depth at [ http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Autocomplete_Types ]?
  669. # [21:27] <annevk> yeah, leave...
  670. # [21:27] <annevk> :p
  671. # [21:27] <annevk> hober: yeah I noticed, that's awesome
  672. # [21:27] <karlcow> I guess also $socialNetwork have a population of users in developing countries just by the fact of immigration. Son, daughter, or friends studying in another rich country and driving the relations into using the $socialnetwork. This would be interesting to measure
  673. # [21:27] <annevk> hober: the permission stuff is a problem, the spec writing seems like a minor problem too, but maybe we can overcome that somehow
  674. # [21:28] <annevk> hober: or maybe you can help out ;)
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  686. # [22:05] <hober> annevk: :)
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  695. # [22:17] <annevk> I didn't know about ArrayBufferView
  696. # [22:18] <annevk> if I had we would not have had responseType = "arraybuffer"
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  699. # [22:18] <annevk> many times bah
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  701. # [22:18] <annevk> nn
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  705. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> nn
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  708. # [22:27] <TabAtkins> Man, ArrayBuffer is kinda broken all over the place.
  709. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> A true Web API
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  711. # [22:38] <TabAtkins> Good point.
  712. # [22:44] <jamesr> created to avoid having to wait for tc39
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  739. # [23:37] <Hixie> isherman: no current ETA but if it's on my list of things to prioritise. O(weeks), not months.
  740. # [23:37] <isherman> Hixie: Ok, thanks
  741. # [23:38] <Hixie> (sorry about the delay, i've been dealing with big feature issues that i'd been putting on the back burner for too long)
  742. # [23:38] <Hixie> (like the canvas v5 api additions, <dialog>, csp, web intents...)
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  746. # [23:51] <hober> First pass on a canvas hit testing CP that restores the v5 Path object etc.; any comments / thoughts / suggestions for improvement? http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Eoconnor/ISSUE-201
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