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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 17 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:02] <dtharp> TabAtkins_: sorry for being dense here... when you say "I dont think there's a compat problem", do you mean that if we implment the 'vm' alias for vmin, then at that point we do not have a compatibility issue? or are you saying we *currently* don't have a compat problem, and therefore should NOT implement the 'vm' alias?
  4. # [00:04] <annevk> per spec there is no vm unit
  5. # [00:04] <annevk> I think it would be wrong for a browser to support it
  6. # [00:04] <dtharp> IE10 supports it
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  8. # [00:05] <ShaneHudson> Does anyone know when IE10 is being released yet?
  9. # [00:05] <annevk> dtharp: just saying; if it's somehow required then it should be in the spec...
  10. # [00:05] <annevk> dtharp: cannot have every browser have to figure out on their own what to implement
  11. # [00:07] <dtharp> annevk: i agree. I have seen concessions for "common in the wild" stuff before, so was just trying to get clarification. It sounds like the right path here is to get MS to update thier test
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  17. # [00:18] <TabAtkins_> dtharp: Sorry for the delay. I think that there is no need to implement a vm unit, so we should leav eit alone.
  18. # [00:18] <dtharp> TabAtkins_: sounds good. I'll work with MS to have them update their test per spec. Thanks!
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  20. # [00:19] <TabAtkins_> I didn't even realize we had a computeLength() function, by the way.
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  22. # [00:21] <dtharp> TabAtkins_: its actually CSSPrimitiveValue::computeLengthDouble() in CSSPrimitiveValue.cpp
  23. # [00:21] <TabAtkins_> Oh, one of our internal functions. Gotcha.
  24. # [00:21] <dtharp> TabAtkins_: its the target fror a bunch of templates
  25. # [00:22] <ShaneHudson> Are any of you from Google?
  26. # [00:24] <TabAtkins_> ShaneHudson: I am. I don't think dtharp is.
  27. # [00:25] <TabAtkins_> (At least, his name doesn't have any matches when I search on our employee database.)
  28. # [00:25] <ShaneHudson> Excellent, is it alright to pm you?
  29. # [00:26] <TabAtkins_> ShaneHudson: Go for it.
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  34. # [00:28] <TabAtkins_> annevk: I doubt there's a compat need to support vm. IE was the only browser to support it, and use of the viewport-relative values wasn't common afaik.
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  39. # [00:31] <annevk> yeah
  40. # [00:31] <annevk> should have a negative test for vm really
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  47. # [00:46] <zewt> annevk: https://www.khronos.org/webgl/public-mailing-list/archives/1205/msg00135.html :|
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  50. # [00:49] <TabAtkins_> zewt: Holy mother of god no.
  51. # [00:50] <zewt> was: re: :|
  52. # [00:50] <TabAtkins_> Why? Why won't people learn? We made mistakes!
  53. # [00:50] <zewt> things not to take inspiration from:
  54. # [00:50] <zewt> java
  55. # [00:50] <zewt> xml
  56. # [00:50] <zewt> note: list not exhaustive.
  57. # [00:50] <zewt> (several times i've seen webgl people go "we can't do it that way. java did it and it sucked!" because clearly if java can't do something well, it can't be done, right?)
  58. # [00:50] * Philip` recently found that OpenGL and OpenGL ES have incompatible extensions with exactly the same name, which is fun, especially since some desktop GL drivers implement both GL and GLES extensions
  59. # [00:51] <TabAtkins_> I mean, for chrissakes, the XML people themselves finally admit that namespaces were a mistake.
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  61. # [00:52] <zewt> call me cynical, but it smells a lot more like "i want my name in the webgl spec, implement this random thing i thought of for a bunch of contrived reasons"
  62. # [00:52] <zewt> maybe i've just been doing the open source thing too long, heh
  63. # [00:53] <gsnedders> WebGL is a clusterfuck. Is this not obvious?
  64. # [00:53] <gsnedders> (News at 10, move on.)
  65. # [00:53] <zewt> it's not XML-level clusterfuck
  66. # [00:53] <zewt> that's more like clusterbomb-fuck
  67. # [00:53] <zewt> (is that a thing?)
  68. # [00:54] <gsnedders> clusterbomb-clusterfuck.
  69. # [00:55] <gavinc> at least XML got unicode and utf-8 by default right? ... than it added letting you set your own encoding which sort of lets it down a bit...
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  71. # [00:55] <zewt> we could go in circles for hours about what xml got wrong :)
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  73. # [00:57] <gsnedders> gavinc: Look at the EDBIC stuff in it, like dfn of space characters in 1.1 (there again, nobody gives a shit about 1.1)
  74. # [00:57] <gavinc> Speaking of which... if anyone here would like to point out everything we got wrong http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html# BEFORE going to last call. Other than it's RDF and is killing the web.
  75. # [00:58] <gavinc> Last call next week and all that
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  78. # [00:59] <zewt> does "i have no clue what this is for after reading the introduction" count?
  79. # [00:59] <gavinc> Yes.
  80. # [00:59] <zewt> (i have no idea what RDF is; a paragraph summarizing this in isolation, assuming no knowledge of whatever that is, might be useful--if that's possible)
  81. # [01:00] <gsnedders> gavinc: Have a N-Triple example in the Intro too.
  82. # [01:00] <gsnedders> (Ideally semantically identical to the Turtle one)
  83. # [01:00] <zewt> ("turtle" makes me think it has something to do with Logo. heh)
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  85. # [01:00] <gavinc> gsnedders: good point
  86. # [01:01] <gsnedders> gavinc: Don't recommend CDATA sections for embedding in XHTML (as then people will fail to handle the case where ]]> appears in a string)
  87. # [01:01] <gavinc> gsnedders: if you can show any other way of embedding in XHTML I'm all for it
  88. # [01:01] <gsnedders> "THe HTML lang attribute" has an obvious typo
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  90. # [01:02] <gsnedders> gavinc: Escape everything, as painful as it is.
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  92. # [01:02] <gsnedders> gavinc: But otherwise people are unlikely to handle ]]> correctly.
  93. # [01:02] <gavinc> gsnedders: mmm... does that work in polyglut documents?
  94. # [01:02] <TabAtkins_> I agree with gsnedders, since ]]> is a vital part of ascii fishes.
  95. # [01:02] <gsnedders> At least note "]]>" cannot be represented within a CDATA section.
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  99. # [01:03] <gsnedders> gavinc: CDATA doesn't, escaping everything does.
  100. # [01:03] <gavinc> Perfect.
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  102. # [01:03] <gavinc> also, don't use XHTML... but hey ;)
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  104. # [01:03] <gsnedders> gavinc: 12.3 uses what BNF form?
  105. # [01:04] <gavinc> ah, yes W3C EBNF...
  106. # [01:04] <gsnedders> gavinc: That seems to be noted in 5.4 but not 12.3
  107. # [01:04] * gavinc nods
  108. # [01:04] <gsnedders> gavinc: Why does it cite XML 1.0 3rd Edition and not 4th?
  109. # [01:04] <gsnedders> (Or, perhaps contravercially, 5th?)
  110. # [01:04] <gavinc> should be 5th...
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  112. # [01:05] <gavinc> the link is to 5th...
  113. # [01:05] <gsnedders> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#sec-notation is the URL given, and it explicitly states an edition, which is obviously nonsense
  114. # [01:05] <gavinc> Yes.
  115. # [01:05] <gavinc> remove words Thrid Edition ;)
  116. # [01:06] <gsnedders> gavinc: Can you aggregate everything I've said and pass it along?
  117. # [01:06] <gavinc> faster, I can edit it ;)
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  165. # [02:12] <Bevan> picture++
  166. # [02:13] <Bevan> img set--
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  187. # [02:51] <zewt> Bevan: not helpful
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  193. # [03:08] <Bevan> zewt. Acknowledged.
  194. # [03:08] <Bevan> :)
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  245. # [05:55] <inclement_bore> ’twas two nights after srcset, and all through the chat
  246. # [05:55] <inclement_bore> not a creature was stirring, not even a... sig cat
  247. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> the use cases were hung on anything near
  248. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> in hopes that efficient scalable image delivery over the web ...
  249. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> ... would soon be here
  250. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> developers were nestled, all snug in their beds
  251. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> visions of media queries still danced in their heads
  252. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> implementers too, not impressed
  253. # [05:56] <inclement_bore> had just settled down for a long spring rest ...
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  273. # [06:54] <paul_irish> (whoops. IRC doesnt start gyazo. ignore.)
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  292. # [08:00] <heycam> what's the reason appendix sections in CSS specs aren't numbered (like A.1, A.2, etc.)?
  293. # [08:01] <heycam> is is that the numbering scheme is ugly?
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  308. # [09:03] <hsivonen> heycam: at least some CSS appendix naming forms a joke, but maybe that was only for CSS 2 and 2.1
  309. # [09:03] <heycam> hsivonen, ah yes, for the appendix letters
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  311. # [09:05] <heycam> hsivonen, though notice how if you jump to the bottom of http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cover.html that appendix sections get numbers while those in http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#contents don't
  312. # [09:08] <hsivonen> maybe the letter thing is for CSS 2/2.1 only
  313. # [09:08] <hsivonen> Hixie: I've successfully browsed the Web with 1rem == 18px for years
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  325. # [09:46] <webben> What is the current pipeline for turning http://svn.whatwg.org/webapps/source into http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_various_versions_of_the_spec.3F ?
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  327. # [09:54] * webben spots http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/html5/spec/Makefile
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  329. # [10:05] <jgraham> webben: Brown paper and glue. And magic.
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  331. # [10:06] <webben> jgraham: So I can see.
  332. # [10:06] <jgraham> Hixie has a highly-custom pipeline that is mostly calling various services that others are providing e.g. anolis, the (HTML-specific) spec spliter
  333. # [10:06] <webben> it looks like the w3c bits have makefiles
  334. # [10:06] <webben> is there a makefile for the whatwg "complete" version somewhere?
  335. # [10:07] <jgraham> No
  336. # [10:07] <webben> k
  337. # [10:07] <jgraham> Most of Hixie's pipeline is closed source because it is very environment specific
  338. # [10:08] <jgraham> But the complete version of the spec might be relatively easy to make since it is the most, well, complete
  339. # [10:09] <jgraham> http://pimpmyspec.net/ + the right options might get you a lot of the way there
  340. # [10:09] <jgraham> Of course, the output is conveniently provided, so I wonder what the motivation is ;)
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  355. # [10:47] <smaug____> ahaa
  356. # [10:47] <smaug____> , silly word
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  369. # [11:26] <smaug____> We should decide at some point what to do with FileSystem API
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  371. # [11:33] <smaug____> hmm, webapps is the right place for that
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  388. # [11:49] <AryehGregor> Is there a command-line HTML5 validator that's easy to install and use?
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  394. # [11:54] <MikeSmith> AryehGregor: I put https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu together experimentally
  395. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> can download from https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu/get/2759dcb15031.zip
  396. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> or just clone the reop
  397. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> *repo
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  399. # [11:55] <MikeSmith> see the "How to use the pre-built jars" part at https://bitbucket.org/sideshowbarker/vnu
  400. # [11:56] <MikeSmith> you can feed it a list of filenames
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  437. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> <TabAtkins_> othermaciej: Heh, I can't believe we didn't actually define when MQs are true. ^_^
  438. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> Really, you couldn't believe that?
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  441. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> Yeah, another respimg thread, why not
  442. # [13:41] <annevk> so Gecko/WebKit did not implement the binding pushState/replaceState correctly
  443. # [13:41] <annevk> and Opera can of course pick up the pieces
  444. # [13:41] <annevk> bah
  445. # [13:41] <Ms2ger> We didn't?
  446. # [13:42] <annevk> if you pass null as third argument it does not stringify to null but instead makes the argument ignored
  447. # [13:42] <annevk> or maybe Gecko uses ""
  448. # [13:43] <Ms2ger> We probably do use "", yes
  449. # [13:43] <Ms2ger> Our new bindings get that right
  450. # [13:43] <annevk> so we don't and that breaks YUI
  451. # [13:44] <annevk> WebKit does the same for undefined
  452. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> :/
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  457. # [13:49] <annevk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17087
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  459. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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