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  13. # [00:14] <eddiemonge> why microdata vs microformats?
  14. # [00:15] <tantek> eddiemonge - do you have a specific problem you're trying to solve?
  15. # [00:15] <tantek> that helps with figuring out what solution would work best for you
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  20. # [00:18] <tantek> eddiemonge - if you have specific questions about microformats, feel free to join and ask in the #microformats channel as well.
  21. # [00:18] <tantek> much more focused community there on that sort of thing
  22. # [00:19] <tantek> and for discussing vocabularies/schema more broadly, there's the #schema channel - I hang out there as well - as do others who work on vocabularies and things like microformats/microdata/RDFa
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  28. # [00:31] <eddiemonge> thanks for the suggestions
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  58. # [01:19] <TabAtkins> Hm. I know how to implement compositing, and I know how to implement blending. I'm not sure how to implement them together. :/
  59. # [01:20] <hober> very carefully :)
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  61. # [01:20] <TabAtkins> I'm trying to put together a demo in canvas, though!
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  66. # [01:25] <gavinc> eddiemonge: also #swig more RDFa and semweb, less microdata
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  68. # [01:28] <TabAtkins> Okay, I think I've deciphered the Compositing spec. It doesn't help that they literally use three different variables for the same thing in nearly-adjacent formulas.
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  73. # [01:37] <heycam> jgraham, re scripting in SVG there's no wording hooking into anything HTML defines yet, but I hope to add some at some point soon
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  140. # [07:18] <heycam> when CSS folks come up with properties that take lengths and percentages, what guidelines do you use for determine whether to have the computed value be the equivalent absolute value, or whether to instead leave the computed value as specified?
  141. # [07:20] <tantek> heycam, I think you meant to ask that in irc://irc.w3.org:6665/css ;)
  142. # [07:20] <heycam> tantek, good idea :)
  143. # [07:20] <tantek> :)
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  225. # [12:47] <jgraham> heycam|away: So I should assume that SVG scripts are supposed to fire all the same events as HTML scripts, for example?
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  227. # [12:47] <Ms2ger> Or that <script for event> has the same result?
  228. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> (Hint: it doesn't)
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  230. # [12:56] <jgraham> Well I hadn't got as far as thinking about that particular unpleasantness yet
  231. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> hober, http://i.qkme.me/3pcrk0.jpg
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  421. # [20:00] <annevk> <picture> was first mentioned on the WHATWG list by hsivonen
  422. # [20:00] <annevk> #randomfacts
  423. # [20:00] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Jan/0093.html
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  426. # [20:00] <annevk> (found by a search for "<picture>", similar elements have almost certainly been proposed in the past)
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  435. # [20:02] <miketaylr> annevk: beat you, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Jun/0080.html
  436. # [20:03] <miketaylr> oh not whatwg... :(
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  440. # [20:04] <annevk> miketaylr: heh nice
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  449. # [20:26] <WeirdAl> annevk, Ms2ger: question on DOM4 spec about attribute list... is there a defined ordering to how these attributes are stored?
  450. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> Yes
  451. # [20:26] <WeirdAl> Where can I find that?
  452. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> Hixie refuses to spec what it is for parser-inserted elements, though
  453. # [20:27] <WeirdAl> heh
  454. # [20:28] <WeirdAl> well, I'm thinking of the case: var x = document.documentElement; x.setAttributeNS("http://www.w3.org/xlink", "xlink:href", "#foo"); x.setAttribute("lang", "en"); x.attributes[0] // what should that return?
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  457. # [20:29] <annevk> Ms2ger: I talked to Hixie about that, what he needs is setting a bunch of attributes at once
  458. # [20:30] <annevk> WeirdAl: xlink:href I think
  459. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> Yes, first-set
  460. # [20:30] <WeirdAl> again, where's that specified? :)
  461. # [20:30] <annevk> WeirdAl: setAttriubte just appends to the list
  462. # [20:31] <annevk> WeirdAl: and append means to the end of the list
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  464. # [20:32] <annevk> Ms2ger: in particular for when you have an element that triggers some kind of algorithm on an attribute being set or on being inserted
  465. # [20:32] * WeirdAl found it
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  467. # [20:32] <annevk> Ms2ger: all the attributes associated with it need to be available right away and therefore setAttribute cannot be used
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  469. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> That's his claim, yes
  470. # [20:33] <Ms2ger> Gecko manages to implement that with sequential setAttributes, though
  471. # [20:33] <annevk> interesting
  472. # [20:34] <annevk> in what order does it call setAttribute?
  473. # [20:35] <WeirdAl> hmm, this is going to make things interesting for my own DOM design.
  474. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> Still reverse source order, IIRC
  475. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> And the element is told when the parser is done adding attributes
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  477. # [20:38] <annevk> Ms2ger: aaah
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  482. # [20:40] * WeirdAl frowns: DOM4 is not a nice spec to implement
  483. # [20:40] <Ms2ger> The web is not a nice thing to spec
  484. # [20:41] <WeirdAl> true
  485. # [20:42] <WeirdAl> and besides, I'm only going for limited DOM4 support in my implementation, so maybe this is one of those things I just don't need to be that precise on right away
  486. # [20:43] <annevk> WeirdAl: is it just the somewhat weird requirements or does the spec read weird?
  487. # [20:44] <WeirdAl> neither, really
  488. # [20:45] <annevk> man, Breaking Bad does not come back until July
  489. # [20:45] <WeirdAl> I'm just starting an implementation, and if I go full-bore compliance, I'll be spending far too long on it
  490. # [20:45] <annevk> what language?
  491. # [20:45] <WeirdAl> right now it's "get something resembling the DOM working"
  492. # [20:46] <WeirdAl> in pure JavaScript
  493. # [20:46] <WeirdAl> and yes, I have my reasons
  494. # [20:46] <annevk> you know there is one already?
  495. # [20:46] <WeirdAl> if you mean envjs or dom.js, I'm aware of those projects, and I don't think either one will meet my needs
  496. # [20:46] <annevk> k
  497. # [20:47] <WeirdAl> (which really sucks, but oh well)
  498. # [20:48] <annevk> if you find something in the spec that can be done better be sure to let us know
  499. # [20:48] <WeirdAl> imho, the best thing you, Aryeh and Ms2ger can do is start porting the W3C DOM tests for DOM4
  500. # [20:49] <WeirdAl> checking the tests against what the spec says
  501. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> I've done the first three or so, a while back :)
  502. # [20:50] * WeirdAl blinks
  503. # [20:52] <WeirdAl> are they hosted somewhere?
  504. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> w3c-test.org/webapps/DOMCore/tests/submissions/Ms2ger
  505. # [20:53] <Ms2ger> If I didn't typo that
  506. # [20:54] <WeirdAl> I'll have to bookmark that :)
  507. # [20:56] <Ms2ger> You may be able to reuse dom.js's testing glue
  508. # [20:57] <WeirdAl> I'll need to look
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  510. # [20:59] * WeirdAl is just trying to figure out a good way to implement attributes in his funny shadow content/undo history model
  511. # [21:02] <WeirdAl> I think I've got it though
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  529. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, hey, any chance for a patch within a year of your last comment in http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=157 ? :)
  530. # [21:55] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Bah!
  531. # [21:55] * gsnedders wonders what happened to the code he wrote for that…
  532. # [21:55] * gsnedders wonders also why he's suddenly feeling sick
  533. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> Heh, sorry
  534. # [21:58] <gsnedders> (Literally around the second you asked.)
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  537. # [22:13] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Amusingly, I was just thinking about html5lib on PyPy. Really want to get the large-scale changes in first that sort out implicit unicode conversion
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