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  71. # [01:53] <TabAtkins> I wonder if Chrome has added draggable and dragzone yet? I've got some dnd code that I wouldn't mind simplifying.
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  110. # [03:08] <Hixie> looks like once again i'm going to screw the one browser that followed the spec (opera in this case) in order to match the others who are all doing the same thing...
  111. # [03:08] <Hixie> (pushState vs base URLs)
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  113. # [03:12] <abarth> frowns
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  116. # [03:13] <Hixie> frowns?
  117. # [03:14] <abarth> it's an unfortunate state of afairs
  118. # [03:14] <Hixie> yeah
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  120. # [03:15] <Hixie> looks like, however, i might be able to just drop the "document's current address" concept
  121. # [03:15] <Hixie> and just have pushState() change the document's address directly
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  125. # [03:25] <Hixie> man, this is huge
  126. # [03:25] <Hixie> the document's current address is dead! long live the now-mutable document's address!
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  159. # [04:05] <jwalden> gsnedders: shaving yaks in the way of my patch still, fwiw, just to update on progress
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  291. # [09:54] <annevk> Stephen: what is CollectionPage? If that is Java this might not be the right place
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  312. # [10:28] <annevk> heycam: so should we update the DOM with that iterator stuff?
  313. # [10:28] <heycam> annevk, yeah! so for things that are [ArrayClass], nothing needs to be done
  314. # [10:28] <heycam> annevk, can't remember what the state of [ArrayClass] is for NodeList and HTMLCollection
  315. # [10:29] <heycam> annevk, I think those two interfaces at least should have iterators
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  317. # [10:29] <heycam> annevk, not sure whether it is worth have NodeList's iterator be a NodeIterator object or not
  318. # [10:29] <annevk> we have it for one of them still
  319. # [10:29] <heycam> annevk, (as jorendorff's suggested)
  320. # [10:29] <annevk> but WebKit hit issues with [ArrayClass]
  321. # [10:29] <heycam> oh :(
  322. # [10:30] <heycam> mind you the iterator stuff hasn't been added to the ES6 spec yet
  323. # [10:30] <annevk> haven't seen much follow up though, so maybe they resolved themselves, but I doubt it
  324. # [10:30] <heycam> although there is agreement in TC39 for it to be added afaik
  325. # [10:30] <annevk> okay
  326. # [10:30] <heycam> what was the issue?
  327. # [10:30] <annevk> I guess I'll file a bug on the iterators then awaiting ES6
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  329. # [10:30] <annevk> heycam: compat iirc
  330. # [10:30] <annevk> let me search my bugmail
  331. # [10:31] <heycam> annevk, sounds good
  332. # [10:31] <annevk> so yeah, it was on NodeList, HTMLCollection nobody thought was feasible, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81573 is the bug on adding it to NodeList in WebKit
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  334. # [10:32] <annevk> heycam: closure broke apparently
  335. # [10:32] <annevk> heycam: always the Google properties that break...
  336. # [10:32] <heycam> heh
  337. # [10:32] <heycam> sigh
  338. # [10:33] <annevk> kudos to them I guess for pushing the platform, but too bad it makes it difficult to change it
  339. # [10:33] <heycam> yeah
  340. # [10:33] <heycam> would be good to know what the specific breakage was
  341. # [10:33] <heycam> to see if it's something fundamental or something that could be worked around
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  344. # [10:35] <annevk> yeah, bugs don't say :(
  345. # [10:35] <annevk> arv prolly knows, but is also asleep I guess
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  349. # [10:37] <annevk> oh great, so DOM is discussed on public-script-coord too now
  350. # [10:38] <heycam> as long as it is discussed on a list you're subscribed too...
  351. # [10:38] <heycam> *to
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  353. # [10:39] <annevk> I guess
  354. # [10:39] <annevk> which reminds me, I guess I should subscribe to www-style again
  355. # [10:39] <annevk> since crazy won at the W3C (quelle surprise) and we're now using two mailing lists to discuss Fullscreen
  356. # [10:40] <heycam> I'm up to ~2400 unread mails there
  357. # [10:40] <annevk> fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
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  359. # [10:41] <heycam> speaking of crazy, this is totally my new favourite spec title: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012AprJun/0119.html
  360. # [10:41] <annevk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17648 is for iterators
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  372. # [10:51] <Stephen> heycam|away: YOur link is pass protected
  373. # [10:52] <jgraham> Stephen: Yeah "Member" in the url is like #secrettreehouse for W3C
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  375. # [10:52] <annevk> what's "Team" then?
  376. # [10:53] <annevk> #topofthetree ?
  377. # [10:53] <jgraham> #cabal
  378. # [10:53] <annevk> #secretfloorinthesecrettreehouse
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  386. # [11:15] <annevk> Ms2ger: you mean that all interfaces that support that and do not have [ArrayClass] they need to define iterators in prose?
  387. # [11:16] <annevk> Ms2ger: prolly worth cc'ing heycam|away and making the suggestion somewhat more concrete
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  389. # [11:16] <Ms2ger> No, that WebIDL puts an iterator() function on the prototype for all interfaces that support indexed properties
  390. # [11:16] <Ms2ger> There's a thread over on script-cord
  391. # [11:16] <Ms2ger> coord*
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  393. # [11:23] <annevk> that concluded with heycam|away adding IDL synta
  394. # [11:23] <annevk> x
  395. # [11:23] <annevk> maybe I missed somewhat
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  397. # [11:23] <annevk> something*
  398. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> Oh
  399. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> That seems silly
  400. # [11:29] <annevk> fix it
  401. # [11:29] <Ms2ger> I'll put it on my todo list :)
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  406. # [11:39] <AryehGregor> Hixie, I'm around now. When you asked me, it was 12:30 AM my time, so . . .
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  440. # [12:32] <jgraham> "The length IDL attribute on the Window interface must return the number of child browsing contexts that are nested through elements that are in the Document that is the active document of that Window object, if that Window's browsing context shares the same event loop as the script's browsing context of the entry script accessing the IDL attribute; otherwise, it must return zero."
  441. # [12:32] <jgraham> Huh?
  442. # [12:34] <jgraham> a) how do I trigger a situation in which the event loops aren't shared and b) is is really sensible to have implementation details about event loops exposed like this?
  443. # [12:34] <jgraham> I mean, I guess there are other ways it is exposed, but…
  444. # [12:34] <zcorpan> that seems a bit weird
  445. # [12:35] <jgraham> I can't work out how one might end up with a reference to a window using a different event loop
  446. # [12:36] <jgraham> Assuming the UA complies with the "at most one event loop per unit of related browsing context" text
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  521. # [16:18] <karlcow> http://www.webkit.org/blog/2082/tim-horton-is-now-a-webkit-reviewer/
  522. # [16:18] <karlcow> Free (canadian) coffee for the Webkit project?
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  572. # [17:29] <Philip`> For avoiding complex special-casing in algorithms that want to return blobs of variable non-negative sizes?
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  592. # [17:58] <erlehmann> hello whatwg
  593. # [17:58] <erlehmann> a friend of mine wishes to make use of rel=feed. i suggested using rel=alternate with an ATOM MIME type. he considers that unclean somehow and hopes to change the standard by not using rel=alternate
  594. # [17:58] <hober> karlcow: he's heard that one before. :)
  595. # [17:59] <erlehmann> what can i say besides “it is not supported anywhere a”
  596. # [17:59] <erlehmann> i argue it is not semantic because the meaning of the predicate is not defined.
  597. # [18:00] <karlcow> hober: I'm pretty sure a million times
  598. # [18:00] <erlehmann> so <link rel=feed href="http://example.org"> would be <this document> <UNKNOWN PREDICATE> <http://example.org>
  599. # [18:00] <erlehmann> anyone can chime in on that issue?
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  601. # [18:05] <erlehmann> anyone can chime in on that issue?
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  607. # [18:15] <gsnedders> Anyone have tests for Progress Events?
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  629. # [18:58] <n00lk0w> If I include a script on xmpl.com/host.html from xmpl.org/guest.js, what sec context does guest run under? Can it access the cookies from both the xmpl.com and xmpl.org domains?
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  637. # [19:06] <Philip`> n00lk0w: <script>s always get run in the origin of the document that they're loaded from
  638. # [19:06] <Philip`> (i.e. the origin http://xmpl.com:80 in your example)
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  640. # [19:09] <n00lk0w> Philip`: so, does that mean that if i include a script from google's CDN/jsapi, the request doesn't carry the user's google acct authcookie in the header?
  641. # [19:09] <n00lk0w> and that the google cookie is completely unreadable to the ajax.googleapis.com server?
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  647. # [19:15] <jgraham> Philip`: Unless they set document.domain
  648. # [19:16] <jgraham> (which isn't relevant to the case at hand)
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  652. # [19:22] <Philip`> n00lk0w: If the user has any cookies associated with ajax.googleapis.com, those will be sent in the HTTP request to that server when loading .js files from it
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  660. # [19:24] <Philip`> n00lk0w: The origin thing just means that when the script code is executed on the client, it will have the same security privileges as if it were included directly in the containing document (so it won't have client-side access to cookies from ajax.googleapis.com)
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  680. # [19:50] <aklein> smaug____: greetings. do you happen to know what sicking's referring to with his <iframe> paragraph in his latest response re parser-caused mutations?
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  695. # [20:20] <aklein> smaug____: (fwiw, I think I found it: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scripts-that-modify-the-page-as-it-is-being-parsed)
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  706. # [20:30] <annevk> I like that the only way I learn about silly HTML WG things is twitter
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  708. # [20:30] <annevk> Edward "HTML bottleneck" O'Connor
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  718. # [20:44] <hober> annevk: you know me
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  720. # [20:45] <smaug____> aklein: (sorry, it was sauna time.) But yeah, I think sicking meant that.
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  722. # [20:46] <smaug____> (and I think sicking is somewhere in Europe atm)
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