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  1. # Session Start: Thu Sep 06 00:00:00 2012
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  24. # [01:12] <heycam> hi Hixie
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  27. # [01:17] <Hixie> heycam: we have a weird situation with HTMLCollection and its descendants, where they introduce operations that have the same name as in HTMLCollection, with different behaviour
  28. # [01:17] <Hixie> heycam: how this works in practice probably needs to be tested
  29. # [01:17] <heycam> hmm yes I remember there was a bug on this
  30. # [01:17] <Hixie> i looked but couldn't find it
  31. # [01:18] <heycam> I remember replying on it just recently… because you asked for some IDL way to say "override"
  32. # [01:18] <heycam> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17201
  33. # [01:18] <Hixie> aha, wasn't in webidl :-)
  34. # [01:20] <Hixie> ah, i see your comment
  35. # [01:20] <Hixie> the answer to all those questions is "i've no idea"
  36. # [01:20] <Hixie> :-)
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  38. # [01:20] <heycam> ha
  39. # [01:23] <heycam> ignoring what happens in practice, it would be good if calling HTMLCollection's namedItem on an HTMLPropertiesCollection object does something consistent with the definition from HTMLCollection
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  41. # [01:24] <Hixie> i would suspect that the answer is entirely constrained by legacy
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  43. # [01:24] <heycam> might be, but HTMLPropertiesCollection isn't that new. I guess maybe for the other descendents of HTMLCollection?
  44. # [01:24] <heycam> er, isn't that old
  45. # [01:25] <Hixie> HTMLPropertiesCollection should just be consistent with the others, yeah
  46. # [01:29] <heycam> Hixie, in the green author box for HTMLOptionsCollection it says "element = collection.item(name)". is that right?
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  48. # [01:29] <Hixie> yeah, there's a legacycaller in the idl
  49. # [01:30] <heycam> but "item"?
  50. # [01:30] <Hixie> oh, right. yeah, i just filed a bug on DOM Core for that.
  51. # [01:30] <Hixie> turns out all browsers support it.
  52. # [01:31] <heycam> so item takes integers and names
  53. # [01:31] <Hixie> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18784
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  61. # [01:48] <zewt> drawing a blank here--is there a term for a node relationship on a rooted tree, where the path from node A to B starts by going to the parent
  62. # [01:48] <zewt> i guess "nodes that aren't descendants of the current node" is closer
  63. # [01:49] <say2joe> siblings?
  64. # [01:49] <zewt> that's just other children of your parent
  65. # [01:50] <say2joe> not sure i understand what you mean.
  66. # [01:50] <zewt> parents; grandparents; siblings; aunts, uncles; anything that you'd go up to your parent to reach, rather than down to a child
  67. # [01:50] <say2joe> i can only think of ancestors or siblings as fitting your question as an answer
  68. # [01:50] <zewt> i think simply "not a descendant" is good enough
  69. # [01:51] <say2joe> ancestor
  70. # [01:51] <zewt> (not a descendant nor yourself)
  71. # [01:51] <dsheets> and not self
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  73. # [01:51] <say2joe> but ancestors does not cover lateral nodes (aunt, uncles, etc).
  74. # [01:51] <zewt> siblings aren't ancestors :)
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  76. # [01:52] <say2joe> i think you're right… not a descendent.
  77. # [01:52] <astearns> parents, grandparents but not great-grandparents? or great-uncles?
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  79. # [01:53] <heycam> and n-th cousins m-times removed
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  91. # [02:09] <zewt> laughing at my desk at someone calling { image: 'img2.jpg', density: '2x', query: '300w' } "fractal complexity"
  92. # [02:10] <say2joe> hmmm. last i checked… that's just adaptive images in light of RWD
  93. # [02:10] <say2joe> i'd be laughing too.
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  95. # [02:15] <zewt> i dream of gmail undo that doesn't lag behind by ten seconds when I hold ^Z for a second
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  99. # [02:22] <ubitux> anyone has an example of a webvtt file with one or more "cue identifier"?
  100. # [02:23] <ubitux> i've a hard time figuring out what it is useful for, and i'm wondering if i'm not misunderstanding the spec
  101. # [02:24] <zewt> hmm, "not a descendant" isn't right, since that would include nodes in different trees
  102. # [02:25] <Hixie> ubitux: the cue identifier is the line before the line with the -->
  103. # [02:25] <Hixie> ubitux: it's not very useful except for styling the cue from CSS
  104. # [02:26] <ubitux> Hixie: right, so it's to keep compat with the number in the old subrip and first versions of the webvtt?
  105. # [02:26] <ubitux> oh you can access it from the css? fear.
  106. # [02:26] <zewt> (and from scripts, but standalones don't care about that)
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  120. # [02:45] <zewt> anyone recall off-hand where the MessagePort GC issue was explained? (not sure if it was on a list or the BTS)
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  185. # [06:43] <Hixie> aha, another checkin from the w3c html editors! this one removing the links to the whatwg spec that say where you can find roughly the same text under a more liberal license
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  188. # [06:44] <deane> Just tell them you want it all back now.
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  190. # [06:45] <zewt> Hixie: replaced with more /TR/ links, just to avoid confusion
  191. # [06:46] <Hixie> zewt: ?
  192. # [06:46] <zewt> jooooke
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  194. # [06:49] <Hixie> ah
  195. # [06:49] <Hixie> didn't seem implausible :-)
  196. # [06:49] <Hixie> i was just confused cos i didn't see it in the diff :-)
  197. # [06:50] <zewt> the best satire--things that are completely absurd and completely plausible at the same time :)
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  232. # [09:52] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah I wondered about that when I saw it too
  233. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> but I can't remember where I saw it
  234. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> bugmail?
  235. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> e-mail?
  236. # [09:53] <jgraham> coremob
  237. # [09:53] <MikeSmith> ah yeah
  238. # [09:54] <MikeSmith> darobin: so what is Matrix Maker?
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  241. # [09:57] <Ms2ger> Is it darobin's new job description?
  242. # [09:58] <darobin> Matrix Maker? where?
  243. # [09:58] <darobin> oh, in the TF
  244. # [09:59] <darobin> it's a tool that allows you to list specs vertically, and device types or UAs horizontally, and shows you a pretty report of the passing stuff
  245. # [10:00] <MikeSmith> darobin: ah ok
  246. # [10:00] <darobin> ah, I knew it would be fun to select Julian for my first bug
  247. # [10:00] <jgraham> I don't like it when people start doing that/
  248. # [10:01] <jgraham> It gives people all the wrong incentives for sontributing tests
  249. # [10:01] <MikeSmith> darobin: I thought you said "hug" there for a second
  250. # [10:01] <jgraham> *contributing
  251. # [10:01] <darobin> rofl
  252. # [10:01] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: pretty sure his new title is "The Freshmaker"
  253. # [10:01] <jgraham> Maybe all he needs is a hug
  254. # [10:02] <MikeSmith> jgraham: what you mean about giving the wrong incentives?
  255. # [10:02] <darobin> mix me up with some coke!
  256. # [10:03] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I mean that people tend to start making tests in order to look good rather than in order to find bugs
  257. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> ah
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  259. # [10:04] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  261. # [10:04] <darobin> you only good if your tests catch problems with the other implementations
  262. # [10:04] <jgraham> Or with your own implementation :)
  263. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> I thought the goal was to construct your test suites such that your browser passes all the tests but other browsers tank on it
  264. # [10:05] <darobin> so long as everyone does that, we all win
  265. # [10:05] <MikeSmith> then you do a blog posting with a nice graphic showing that
  266. # [10:06] <jgraham> But there is a history of people cherry-picking tests to release based on "we get 100% and other people get 0% due to a single bug"
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  268. # [10:06] <jgraham> That is, you intentionally find something that breaks in other browsers and make each test depend on it even if it isn't really relevant
  269. # [10:06] <darobin> speaking of tests and stuff, any suggestions on what would be most useful to cover at Test The Web Forward Paris are welcome
  270. # [10:07] <jgraham> Ms2ger, annevk Someone (TM) suggested writing DOM4 tests at TTWF. Does that sound sensible?
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  272. # [10:08] <annevk> http://testsuite.org/
  273. # [10:08] <jgraham> (actually I have no idea who the someone was)
  274. # [10:08] <darobin> I thought it was you jgraham :)
  275. # [10:08] <jgraham> darobin: I thought I just agreed that it might be a good idea
  276. # [10:08] <darobin> heh
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  278. # [10:09] <darobin> "It wasn't me"
  279. # [10:10] <jgraham> annevk: Well yeah, but do you have any feeling for whether it is well tested or not?
  280. # [10:10] <annevk> jgraham: parts are well tested by tests from Ms2ger and AryehGregor
  281. # [10:10] <annevk> jgraham: those tests are somewhere in W3C dcvs
  282. # [10:10] <annevk> dvcs?
  283. # [10:10] <jgraham> OK, I guess I will need to look in more detail
  284. # [10:11] <jgraham> dcvs -> like cvs but with more "d"
  285. # [10:11] <jgraham> darobin: DOM APIs for form elements might also be good
  286. # [10:12] <jgraham> HTMLOptionCollection and so on
  287. # [10:12] <darobin> ooh yeah, that's a good one
  288. # [10:12] <darobin> I might actually take that one for my group
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  292. # [10:14] <annevk> Hixie: with seamless there's guaranteed sync access between the two trees right?
  293. # [10:15] <annevk> Hixie: why does the object need to be duplicated?
  294. # [10:15] <annevk> Hixie: why can't you just expand the dispatch tree
  295. # [10:15] <annevk> Hixie: as you've done for Window already
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  298. # [10:21] <smaug____> annevk: mouseevent coordinates wouldn't make sense
  299. # [10:22] <smaug____> event retargeting can't be used with seamless, but there needs to be separate events per document
  300. # [10:22] <annevk> unless they are against the outer document when dispatched on a seamless frame
  301. # [10:23] <smaug____> (event target chain can be created before dispatching either one)
  302. # [10:23] <annevk> but I guess now browsers have seamless without this event model it's too late for that
  303. # [10:23] <smaug____> I don't think seamless is in any way stable thing yet
  304. # [10:23] <Ms2ger> jgraham, events, maybe
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  306. # [10:24] <annevk> jgraham: actually not, dvcs.w3.org
  307. # [10:24] <annevk> jgraham: oh, maybe you were joking :)
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  309. # [10:25] <Ms2ger> I was thinking about boxes with links to the tests in the spec, btw
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  313. # [10:31] <jgraham> Little boxes in the margin, little boxes filled with links-to-tests?
  314. # [10:31] <annevk> I need to download some new Weeds episodes
  315. # [10:31] <jgraham> Ms2ger: But seriously, please continue. I want something like that too
  316. # [10:31] <Ms2ger> Yeah, something like that
  317. # [10:31] <annevk> Ms2ger: we should Hixie to abstract his system
  318. # [10:32] <annevk> Ms2ger: get*; so we can use it for DOM / Encoding / Fullscreen / ...
  319. # [10:32] <Ms2ger> I wrote a script to pull out the rel=help links from tests, and put the data into a json file
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  321. # [10:32] <jgraham> The main problem with links to tests is working out which test should be linked where
  322. # [10:32] <Ms2ger> Now I just need to coerce someone into doing the frontend :)
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  324. # [10:34] <jgraham> I don't like rel=help
  325. # [10:35] <jgraham> For a start it doesn't work
  326. # [10:35] <jgraham> Because a test is not a file
  327. # [10:35] <jgraham> e.g. the html5lib tests run in 3 different modes depending on the query string
  328. # [10:36] <Ms2ger> Let's leave the html5lib tests out of this ;)
  329. # [10:36] <jgraham> Let's not
  330. # [10:36] <jgraham> Making tests that depend on the query string isn't exactly uncommon
  331. # [10:38] <jgraham> Opera seem to have ~4500 tests that require a query string (and ~20 that require a fragment id)
  332. # [10:39] <Ms2ger> OH: "Do you have a use case that does not involve the vanity of the library's authors?"
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  334. # [10:40] <Ms2ger> jgraham, do those usually test different features when used with different query strings?
  335. # [10:42] * Ms2ger goes off for a bit
  336. # [10:42] <jgraham> No idea
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  338. # [10:43] <jgraham> In any case my point is that linking tests to files is the wrong data model
  339. # [10:43] <jgraham> Tests are URIs
  340. # [10:44] <jgraham> You could of course make each test that can be loaded with > 1 URI has to list that in the test file, or something
  341. # [10:44] <smaug____> I need chromium nightly. where can I find the .zip or .tar.gz file for linux
  342. # [10:44] <smaug____> (always difficult to find the nightly chromium build for linux)
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  345. # [10:49] <smaug____> hmm, now I found it, but it doesn't run on this machine
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  352. # [10:59] <annevk> Firefox does not allow dynamically setting the base URL?
  353. # [10:59] <annevk> That makes testing annoying
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  359. # [11:06] <annevk> fwiw
  360. # [11:06] <annevk> there is no interop for <base href=about:blank><script src=local.js></script>
  361. # [11:07] <annevk> most browsers load local.js relative to the current file, Gecko does not
  362. # [11:08] <annevk> with a twist of course, Firefox view source resolves it relative too
  363. # [11:08] <annevk> that's some confusing mismatch
  364. # [11:13] <darobin> does Firefox's view source respect <base> in general?
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  366. # [11:14] <annevk> not for http://example.org/ either
  367. # [11:14] <annevk> so yeah, might be a more generic bug
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  371. # [11:18] <smaug____> annevk: file a bug, please. CC hsivonen
  372. # [11:18] <smaug____> (although this might be a UI problem)
  373. # [11:18] <annevk> I suspect this to be filed already
  374. # [11:21] <smaug____> annevk: ah, perhaps https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617789
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  376. # [11:30] <annevk> looks like it
  377. # [11:30] <annevk> dynamic base is prolly filed too
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  381. # [11:42] <annevk> heh, hsivonen is on air: http://futuradio.fi
  382. # [11:47] <jgraham> The volume control on the radio image doesn't actually control the volume :(
  383. # [11:50] <darobin> that's how the future of radio is!
  384. # [11:51] <Ms2ger> Clearly we need a volume content attribute
  385. # [11:53] <jgraham> darobin: Excessively loud?
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  387. # [11:54] <Ms2ger> jgraham, no, that's the present
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  389. # [11:54] <darobin> jgraham: yeah, you know, Finnish radio is special
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  391. # [11:54] <darobin> I think they still have the one and only channel broadcasting in Latin
  392. # [11:55] <darobin> they are also known for having broadcasted computer programs over FM radio (you could tape it, and then just load the tape)
  393. # [11:55] <darobin> plus, they have hsivonen talking about browsers and mobile networks
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  395. # [11:56] <darobin> he's making me all sad about the Android update situation
  396. # [12:01] <smaug____> darobin: it is not a channel, but just one program in Latin
  397. # [12:01] <smaug____> basically news in Latin
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  399. # [12:02] <darobin> smaug____: my version of reality sounds better
  400. # [12:02] <smaug____> sure
  401. # [12:02] <smaug____> :)
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  404. # [12:02] <darobin> next you're going to tell me it's just one program with hsivonen and not a whole 24/7 broadcast of his thoughts
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  406. # [12:03] <smaug____> no no, hsivonen has his own channel and talking 24/7/365
  407. # [12:04] <jgraham> Oh, I assumed he had some sort of helmet to read his thoughts in realtime
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  428. # [12:59] <deane> I wish I had heard all of that interview with hsivonen.
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  442. # [13:36] <annevk> test
  443. # [13:37] <Ms2ger> failed
  444. # [13:37] <annevk> there's red all over the floor
  445. # [13:37] <annevk> aaaah
  446. # [13:37] <annevk> you're being eaten by a grue
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  448. # [13:38] <Ms2ger|waseatenb> Dammit
  449. # [13:38] <annevk> haha
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  452. # [13:40] <jgraham> I wish hsivonen had done the whole interview in LAtin
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  454. # [14:00] <annevk> Chrome has something weird
  455. # [14:00] <annevk> about:blank as base with "unknown :test" as link creates "about:unknown%20:test"
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  457. # [14:01] <annevk> no other browser tries to resolve URLs against about:blank
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  459. # [14:03] <jgraham> Yeah, resolving against about:blank seems weird
  460. # [14:07] <annevk> kinda wish URLs were simpler
  461. # [14:07] <annevk> but then somebody might have defined them already I guess
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  463. # [14:13] <jgraham> Ms2ger: (I just came up with another test that can run with a fragment ID on the URL)
  464. # [14:13] <jgraham> (or not, but to test slightly different things)
  465. # [14:13] <annevk> heh, in Gecko a data URL is only valid if it matches the whole data URL production
  466. # [14:13] <jgraham> (same part of the spec still)
  467. # [14:13] <jgraham> (except there is no spec yet)
  468. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> annevk, that sounds... sane?
  469. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> Though Julian did something with base64 and ;
  470. # [14:15] <annevk> Ms2ger: well it means data URL parsing becomes part of URL parsing
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  472. # [14:15] <annevk> Ms2ger: if you want every URL library to behave the same way anyway
  473. # [14:15] <Ms2ger> Pff ;)
  474. # [14:16] <annevk> I mean if you stop caring about the details all of this is very simple
  475. # [14:16] <annevk> but if you do care about whether "DATA:test" becomes normalized and of which .protocol returns "data:" rather than the empty string (that's for invalid) you suddenly need to define this
  476. # [14:17] <annevk> well
  477. # [14:17] <annevk> invalid might also return ":"
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  479. # [14:17] <darobin> piffle
  480. # [14:17] <annevk> browsers are in dispute of course
  481. # [14:17] <darobin> only quiche eaters process URLs with an API
  482. # [14:17] <Ms2ger> I only care about browsers :)
  483. # [14:18] <annevk> darobin: just had some quiche
  484. # [14:18] <darobin> real hackers do it with a twenty page long regex
  485. # [14:18] <darobin> my point exactly
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  487. # [14:18] <annevk> and I'm using a 200 line incomplete tokenizer
  488. # [14:18] <darobin> bah, kids these days
  489. # [14:20] <annevk> so I take it URLs becomes a "this is implementation-dependent" in "HTML5"?
  490. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> No
  491. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> They become IRAs
  492. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> ARIs?
  493. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> ARAs?
  494. # [14:22] <darobin> URX I think
  495. # [14:23] <annevk> so ™ in the authority part becomes normalized to tm...
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  497. # [14:23] <annevk> if somebody could explain authority parsing to me that would be awesome
  498. # [14:24] <darobin> heh, I wonder how well http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/URI-1.60/URI.pm#PARSING_URIs_WITH_REGEXP actually fares in the real world
  499. # [14:24] <annevk> unfortunately that also seems to differ wildly
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  501. # [14:25] <annevk> e.g. "http:test test" yields invalid in Gecko/Safari, "http://test%20test/" in Chrome
  502. # [14:26] <annevk> maybe invalid is okay
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  504. # [14:26] <darobin> you'd sort of hope so
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  508. # [14:29] <annevk> well
  509. # [14:30] <annevk> http:annevankesteren.nl "works"
  510. # [14:30] <annevk> in most browsers
  511. # [14:30] <annevk> giving http://annevankesteren.nl/
  512. # [14:30] <annevk> unless
  513. # [14:30] <annevk> there's a base URL
  514. # [14:30] <annevk> in which case it's a relative path and you get something like http://example.org/annevankesteren.nl (scheme has to match)
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  517. # [14:31] <annevk> but that part I got covered already
  518. # [14:31] <annevk> I'm wondering more about what characters to allow and to reject in host
  519. # [14:31] <annevk> well, authority
  520. # [14:40] <annevk> man
  521. # [14:41] <annevk> http:test -> http://test/ in Safari, but http:maraña.org is invalid, only works with //
  522. # [14:41] <annevk> Chrome's URL code is a little better there
  523. # [14:41] <annevk> Gecko too, but doesn't use punycode
  524. # [14:41] <annevk> because, why would anything here match each other...
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  528. # [14:44] <zcorpan> annevk++ for speccing this
  529. # [14:45] <Ms2ger> annevk++ just because
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  534. # [14:51] <jgraham> annevk++ to increase hit points agianst attacks from RFC-wonks
  535. # [14:51] <karlcow> annevk-- for destroying Poney and Rainbow tales ;)
  536. # [14:53] <darobin> annevk: re the HTML5 thing with MikeSmith, are you only doing it in .nl or are you travelling a bit too?
  537. # [14:53] <darobin> specifically, to the Paris one
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  542. # [15:09] <Ms2ger> http://i.imgur.com/jxBZG.jpg
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  553. # [15:22] <zcorpan> aaah, the browser spec. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
  554. # [15:23] <zcorpan> gotta monkey patch xslt in the browser spec
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  556. # [15:29] <Ms2ger> There is no scope, dammit
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  559. # [15:32] <zcorpan> i just find it amusing that the *xml core wg* who refused to have me specify this in the *xml-stylesheet PI spec* think that it is most appropriate to spec it in HTML
  560. # [15:32] <Ms2ger> "We don't have to deal with it"
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  563. # [15:37] <zcorpan> (UI requirements for the xml-stylesheet PI is still absent, except i think CSSOM has rules for CSS)
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  573. # [15:49] <annevk> darobin: I do not know about a Paris one, so presumably just here
  574. # [15:49] <darobin> annevk: ah, shame, it could have involved beer
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  576. # [15:50] <annevk> darobin: I also only plan to put travel money into vacation for now
  577. # [15:50] <darobin> or wine, since they seem to be paying for wine and pizza
  578. # [15:50] <annevk> does kinda sound like vacation :p
  579. # [15:50] <darobin> you're going to take even more vacations??? ;-)
  580. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> Oh dear
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  584. # [15:59] <annevk> haha, no, unfortunately not
  585. # [15:59] <annevk> apart from some weekends
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  589. # [16:02] <annevk> so in Gecko http://\0example.org/ yields http://example.org/
  590. # [16:02] <annevk> is that safe?
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  592. # [16:04] <annevk> Safari treats the zero byte as eof
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  594. # [16:04] <annevk> same for Opera
  595. # [16:04] <annevk> Chrome converts to %00
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  599. # [16:09] <zcorpan> %00 or treating the whole url as invalid seem like the sane options
  600. # [16:10] <annevk> during authority -> invalid otherwise %00 is what I'm going with I guess
  601. # [16:10] <annevk> in the end
  602. # [16:11] <zcorpan> sounds good
  603. # [16:12] <annevk> it seems in the host name you need to unescape %.. too
  604. # [16:12] <annevk> in the path only Chrome does it
  605. # [16:12] <annevk> which I think might result in some bugs
  606. # [16:13] <annevk> some sites expect paths to be pretty much literals
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  610. # [16:24] <annevk> hsivonen: why does Gecko give the unbalanced tree message if all I write is <br>?
  611. # [16:24] <darobin> there's behaviour that I can't find to be specified anywhere, I'd appreciate a pointer if any
  612. # [16:24] <annevk> ask, don't ask to ask
  613. # [16:25] <darobin> I wasn't asking to ask, I was introducing my question :)
  614. # [16:25] <darobin> if you serve something as XML containing <foo><p>foo</p></foo>, it consistently gets rendered as a source tree
  615. # [16:25] <darobin> if however you add the namespace to an inner element no matter how deep, as in <foo><p xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>foo</p></foo>
  616. # [16:25] <darobin> it gets upgraded to an HTML document
  617. # [16:26] <darobin> (even if the namespace happens after megabytes of useless XML
  618. # [16:26] <darobin> everyone seems to do the same thing (at least given a cursory look) but I can't find it specified
  619. # [16:26] <annevk> if http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/history.html#read-xml does not have it, prolly a bug
  620. # [16:27] <darobin> yeah, that's what I was looking at
  621. # [16:27] <annevk> or maybe that's more about rendering XML
  622. # [16:27] <annevk> dunno if we have a section for that
  623. # [16:28] <darobin> I investigated because of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15180
  624. # [16:29] <darobin> I don't believe there's anything about rendering XML
  625. # [16:29] <darobin> I'll figure something out, cheers
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  627. # [16:30] <jgraham> Is there a shorter term for "documents without a browsing context"?
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  631. # [16:32] <annevk> cookie-averse Document object, though that also means something else
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  636. # [16:38] <annevk> man, IDNA is some vague shit
  637. # [16:38] <jgraham> I was hoping for "detached documents" or something.
  638. # [16:40] <zewt> "contextless document" seems accurate, but ... it's sort of a tonguetwister, heh
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  641. # [16:41] <darobin> it's really funny, <foo><zorglub xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>foo</zorglub></foo> and even <foo><x:zorglub xmlns:x='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml'>foo</x:zorglub></foo> work, but the namespace declaration on its own is not enough
  642. # [16:42] <darobin> jgraham: how about aloof documents
  643. # [16:43] <annevk> darobin: if you want to define this I would just say that the document needs to be rendered per CSS rules if there's at least one element in the HTML namespace
  644. # [16:43] <annevk> darobin: and maybe MathML namespace
  645. # [16:43] <darobin> yeah, that's what I was thinking of
  646. # [16:43] <darobin> lemme do a few more tests
  647. # [16:45] <darobin> works for MathML and SVG
  648. # [16:46] <annevk> I guess SVG gives you a CSS context as well
  649. # [16:47] <annevk> be careful not to make Rendering and XML Rendering sound exclusive
  650. # [16:52] <darobin> I'll put it on GitHub, nothing's exclusive there!
  651. # [16:55] <annevk> this channel did need more non sequitur
  652. # [16:55] <annevk> or does
  653. # [16:55] <annevk> hmm
  654. # [16:58] <smaug____> jgraham: just curious, and I think the answer is that you aren't allowed to say anything... how does Opera handle cycles in C++ objects
  655. # [16:58] <smaug____> well, C++ -> JS ->C++ cycles
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  657. # [17:07] <jgraham> smaug____: The answer is honestly that I don't know
  658. # [17:07] <jgraham> I just asked if that kind of a cycle was a problem for us ans was told by the relevant developers that it wasn't
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  660. # [17:08] <annevk> zero bytes on the other hand :p
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  664. # [17:09] <jgraham> Yeah, excuse me while I list the zero websites that affects :p
  665. # [17:09] <annevk> well I have this file here on my local hard drive...
  666. # [17:09] <jgraham> Well, sometimes it is annoying
  667. # [17:09] <jgraham> I wrote a fuzzer once where it truncated the debug output
  668. # [17:10] <jgraham> But it's not like it makes sense to prioritise fixing it
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  682. # [17:45] <Hixie> darobin: can you elaborate on your reasoning for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18067 ? I was thinking about it myself but wasn't convinced it wouldn't be a security problem. Can you elaborate on why you think it's safe?
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  686. # [17:46] <darobin> Hixie: I looked at the gopher protocol and the sort of content that it supports, and I could find no reason to believe that it would be more unsafe than any of the others
  687. # [17:47] <darobin> if there are rules for assessing this more systematically, I'd be happy to hear
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  689. # [17:47] <Hixie> wouldn't it have the same risks as http:?
  690. # [17:47] * jgraham checks his watch
  691. # [17:47] <jgraham> No, doesn't seem to be 1992
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  695. # [17:48] <darobin> you mean highjacking all those gopher clients out there?
  696. # [17:48] <Hixie> jgraham: yeah, i'm not saying it would be useful in any way in the first place, but...
  697. # [17:48] <zcorpan> how is one supposed to discover which *.specs.whatwg.org exist?
  698. # [17:48] <Hixie> zcorpan: one is currently not, sadly
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  704. # [17:49] <Hixie> darobin: well not just that, but in theory, e.g. in-place mitm in an iframe, or similar
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  706. # [17:49] <jgraham> Hixie: "i'm not saying it would be useful in any way" no usecases -> not allowed, seems more reasonable
  707. # [17:49] <Hixie> darobin: to the extent that anyone supports it, it seems bad to support it inline
  708. # [17:50] <Hixie> jgraham: yeah, that's kinda my thinking
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  710. # [17:51] <darobin> frankly I couldn't think of any reasonably mitm that would do anything useful — at the same time I can see this as useful for whoever wants to maintain historical gopher connectivity to implement it that way
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  712. # [17:52] <Hixie> to the extent that it can be useful, it seems like it could be used in an attack.
  713. # [17:53] <Hixie> to the extent that it's not useful, it seems pointless to support.
  714. # [17:53] <darobin> the UC that I have in mind is exposing historical document retrieval systems
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  717. # [17:55] <darobin> that said I can't say I am overwhelmed with desire for gopher, so I won't stand in the way of reversal
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  719. # [17:55] <Hixie> i think the whatwg spec will be erring on teh side of abundant caution on this one, fwiw
  720. # [17:56] * darobin has a fleeting image of an "I'll die for gopher" t-shirt
  721. # [17:57] <annevk> gopher is one of the schemes at least WebKit-based browsers use to trigger their relative URL handling
  722. # [17:57] <jgraham> If the usecase is "historical curiosity" it doesn't seem like integration with the web is important so you could require urls to be rewritten as web+gopher (and do so automatically where you have access to the URL)
  723. # [17:57] <Hixie> yeah
  724. # [17:57] <annevk> gopher implies a hierarchical URL, so to say
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  726. # [17:58] <darobin> can one of the logbots here give a URL pointer to the logs?
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  728. # [17:58] <darobin> that's a good point jgraham
  729. # [17:59] <Ms2ger> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg
  730. # [17:59] <hober> darobin: see the topic
  731. # [17:59] <Ms2ger> Also, now I need to review D3E again
  732. # [17:59] <darobin> no, that much I know, I meant a pointer to the current entry
  733. # [17:59] <darobin> (but I'll live without)
  734. # [17:59] <jgraham> At least krijn isn't really a logbot
  735. # [18:00] <jgraham> It's more like a radiator that also saves IRC conversations
  736. # [18:00] <darobin> unless you count mIRC as a logbot :)
  737. # [18:02] <jgraham> In a conversation about gopher mIRC is almost modern
  738. # [18:03] <Hixie> bbiab
  739. # [18:03] <Ms2ger> Zing
  740. # [18:04] <karlcow> Go for ever
  741. # [18:04] <jgraham> You want Hixie killed?
  742. # [18:04] <Ms2ger> No, just gone
  743. # [18:04] <jgraham> Oh, not "gone"
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  752. # [18:22] <darobin> Hixie: re https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/c953c8da7b2363af2ec119f14c9383f0cee1b13b it confused someone, I could see how "this" may be slightly unclear, I figured that a two word non-normative change that had confused someone wouldn't hurt
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  761. # [18:27] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  768. # [18:42] <say2joe> good morning, Dimitri (and fellow west coaster)
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  773. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> Hah: https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f64300dfd98859dee8d0
  774. # [18:50] * darobin thinks you'd have to be mad to steal a cookie from a gopher
  775. # [18:50] <Hixie> darobin: you'll notice i made the change also :-)
  776. # [18:50] <darobin> Hixie: yes, I was just reacting to your comment :)
  777. # [18:51] <Hixie> darobin: there are definitely cases (not this particular one) where people are like "this is confusing" and despite my best efforts at working out why, i end up concluding it's just because they were tired or don't know how to read
  778. # [18:51] <darobin> yeah, I clearly saw a few of those in the bugs
  779. # [18:51] <say2joe> lol
  780. # [18:52] <darobin> in this case, I could see how it may be confusing (if I tilted my head right)
  781. # [18:52] <darobin> I sometimes wish the comment thing had a name field
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  783. # [18:54] <say2joe> In Chrome Developer Tools, I'm using the Resources panel on the LATimes.com web site. I've got about 60 cookies from that site (and others) being utilized on LATimes.com — if I select all of them and try to delete them, nothing happens. However, I can remove 1-2 at a time it seems… is anyone here familiar with this being a bug or simply the way it works for some reason?
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  785. # [19:00] <Hixie> darobin: if they're logged in on the spec, it includes their e-mail address on the line with the IP address
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  787. # [19:01] <karlcow> Ms2ger this is all insane the apache thing
  788. # [19:01] <darobin> Hixie: yeah I saw, but the weirder ones aren't the logged in ones ;)
  789. # [19:01] <Hixie> yeah
  790. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> karlcow, how about we call it "the IE thing" ;)
  791. # [19:02] <karlcow> not going into that discussion again :)
  792. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> Me neither
  793. # [19:02] <Hixie> darobin: it's a natural trade-off between reducing the barrier to getting feedback, and getting more info
  794. # [19:02] <Hixie> darobin: the bugs filed on the w3c copy require that they get a login, so you get a name there (but less feedback overall)
  795. # [19:03] <darobin> I know, I wasn't suggesting requiring logins for all, au contraire
  796. # [19:03] <darobin> I was just wondering if adding a name field there might make sense — just mulling it over
  797. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> darobin, hey, shouldn't you be removing references to the WHATWG from HTML5 instead of hanging around here? :)
  798. # [19:06] <darobin> Ms2ger: nah, that was fun while outside W3C
  799. # [19:07] <darobin> now that I'm on the inside, I seem to mostly focus on pissing off XML Core WG and I18N
  800. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> Not a11y?
  801. # [19:07] <darobin> haven't gotten around to that yet :-)
  802. # [19:08] * Ms2ger prepares some popcorn
  803. # [19:08] <othermaciej> I've never seen them in a non-pissed-off state so I'm not sure how you would know the difference
  804. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> Zing
  805. # [19:11] <Hixie> ouch
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  807. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> Hixie, you got your HTMLCollection test wrong, btw
  808. # [19:14] <Hixie> no surprise there
  809. # [19:14] <Hixie> what specifically did i get wrong?
  810. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> ToUint32('test') == 0
  811. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> So it didn't prove anything
  812. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18789
  813. # [19:15] <Hixie> d'oh
  814. # [19:16] <Hixie> i want strict typing damnit
  815. # [19:16] <Hixie> anyway
  816. # [19:16] <Hixie> bbl again
  817. # [19:17] <darobin> I find that a spellchecker can help lots with strict typing
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  823. # [19:22] <annevk> miketaylr: fullscreen is a single word
  824. # [19:22] <annevk> miketaylr: I blame Mozilla for realizing that too late
  825. # [19:23] <miketaylr> annevk: yeah my intuition says that too
  826. # [19:23] <annevk> miketaylr: in a couple of years from now people will be thankful not to have to write full-dash-screen
  827. # [19:23] <miketaylr> too lazy to look it up
  828. # [19:23] <annevk> well it used to be full screen
  829. # [19:23] <annevk> then full-screen, and nowish fullscreen
  830. # [19:23] <annevk> the English language sucks that way, so you better just remove that hyphen right away
  831. # [19:25] <miketaylr> can't wait to find all the broken sites where people create an analogous requestFullScreen from the prefixed guys
  832. # [19:25] <miketaylr> (html5test is the first i know of)
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  834. # [19:25] <paul_irish> miketaylr: got spec link handy?
  835. # [19:25] <paul_irish> or list discussion?
  836. # [19:26] <miketaylr> paul_irish: here's a PR w/ a spec link inside https://github.com/NielsLeenheer/html5test/pull/196
  837. # [19:27] <paul_irish> thx
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  839. # [19:29] <annevk> paul_irish: spec is hosted here for now: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/fullscreen/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
  840. # [19:30] <annevk> will prolly be fullscreen.spec.whatwg.org at some point
  841. # [19:30] <annevk> have to sort all that out still
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  844. # [19:32] <paul_irish> oh man that's a hot URL. looking forward to it
  845. # [19:33] <paul_irish> annevk: im going to update the MDN and html5rocks tutorials with their casing and point this out more clearly.
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  848. # [19:35] <annevk> thanks paul_irish!
  849. # [19:36] <miketaylr> paul_irish++
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  892. # [20:36] <annevk> very slowly approaching more followers than commits on @WHATWG
  893. # [20:36] <Hixie> oh dear
  894. # [20:36] <Hixie> i'd better commit more
  895. # [20:36] <annevk> per character commits!
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  898. # [20:37] <Hixie> actually since i don't have to deal with the htmlwg process any more i've been grouping typo commits again
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  939. # [21:44] <Hixie> hober: looks like some bugs in the html5 spec component are getting assigned to me?
  940. # [21:45] <Hixie> not sure why
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  965. # [22:32] <sicking> Hixie: pong
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  987. # [23:14] <hober> Hixie: link(s)?
  988. # [23:15] <hober> Hixie: nvm, i see the mail on p-h-b
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  999. # [23:44] <zcorpan> Hixie: maybe the live dom viewer bug thing should have its own bugzilla component? also, maybe prompt() for a description?
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  1003. # [23:47] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Why is the "DOM view" link a data:text/plain, when its contents are clearly HTML?
  1004. # [23:48] <TabAtkins> Also: it would be nice to have the data url include the styles that it's normally rendered with.
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  1006. # [23:49] <zcorpan> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. http://www.w3.org/community/texttracks/wiki/608_to_WebVTT
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