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  57. # [02:24] <yuhong> AFAIK "DOM0" as most commonly used refers most closely to what was implemented in Netscape 3.0.
  58. # [02:27] <yuhong> in late 1996
  59. # [02:27] <yuhong> document.images, document.anchors, etc...
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  61. # [02:29] <yuhong> After that, Netscape and IE went off in different directions (document.all, document.layers) leading the W3C to create DOM level 1.
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  226. # [11:50] <annevk> would it make sense to have <input type=number suffix="%"> or <input type=number prefix="$">
  227. # [11:50] <annevk> ?
  228. # [11:51] <zcorpan> Hixie: about tracks without a media parent, there are already several checks in place that trigger loading; src URL changes, mode changes. why is it hard to also check the parent?
  229. # [11:51] <zcorpan> annevk: what's wrong with $<input> ?
  230. # [11:51] <annevk> zcorpan: ugly
  231. # [11:52] <annevk> e.g. if you have up and down buttons and %, you don't want % to render after those buttons
  232. # [11:52] <annevk> and it's kinda part of the content, without it the input does not make sense
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  234. # [11:53] <zcorpan> i guess that makes sense
  235. # [11:55] <zcorpan> Hixie: it does not seem necessary to kill a <track> when it loses its media parent, though i haven't thought about that case much
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  240. # [12:06] <annevk> I guess authority is an appropriate name, it does not like to be broken down
  241. # [12:06] <annevk> at least not in a single pass
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  338. # [16:47] <mpt> ... Just a text field that shows a menu if you happen to know that you're supposed to double-click on it
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  344. # [16:56] <annevk> same in Opera iirc :/
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  462. # [20:25] <Hixie> i like how the htmlwg changed the language code of the spec, without actually changing what language the spec uses :-)
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  484. # [20:48] <Stevef_> hixie: the lang code hasn't been changed: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18816
  485. # [20:48] <Stevef_> they rejected my suggestion <html lang="en-US-x-hober-ginger-erika-travis">
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  491. # [20:54] <Hixie> Stevef_: as they should, there's no spec for that code
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  501. # [21:11] <Hixie> Stevef_: (but for what it's worth, i was actually talking about https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/04cee206fd88d2d8f938b31e92b19fc91d356eb7)
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  509. # [21:18] <Stevef_> hixie: righto
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  517. # [21:35] <annevk> Hixie: as you long as you keep that x- in there no specification is required I think
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  541. # [22:23] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Sep/0004.html backdoor lobbying appears to work in the HTML WG
  542. # [22:23] <annevk> what the hell
  543. # [22:23] <annevk> backroom*
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  548. # [22:29] <TabAtkins> I was about to say, I didn't think Sam was quite that, um, liberated.
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  551. # [22:34] <annevk> TabAtkins: haha
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  580. # [23:13] <Hixie> annevk: oh i know, but i'm saying what does that language even mean? At least en-us-x-hixie has a spec.
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  582. # [23:15] <jgraham> en-us doesn't have a spec
  583. # [23:16] <Hixie> yeah but it has lots of documentation
  584. # [23:16] <jgraham> and I strongly doubt the x-hixie consistently conforms to its purported spec
  585. # [23:16] <Hixie> if you find any mistakes i can fix them :-)
  586. # [23:16] <Hixie> which is more than we could say for the other one
  587. # [23:16] <Hixie> which is my point :-)
  588. # [23:16] <jgraham> Hixie: en-us haslots of conflicting documentation :)
  589. # [23:18] <jgraham> (and because it is vaugely on-topic: http://stroppyeditor.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/the-very-model-of-an-amateur-grammarian/ )
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  591. # [23:19] <TabAtkins> Hm. Which WG should I be talking in about embedding HTML directly into SVG, without an intervening <foreignContent> and namespace crap?
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  593. # [23:20] <TabAtkins> I mean, there's some CSS work, but I'm on top of that.
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  595. # [23:20] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i wouldn't talk about it anywhere :-P
  596. # [23:20] <TabAtkins> Too bad, it's gonna happen.
  597. # [23:21] <TabAtkins> Apparently SVG directly in HTML is a non-starter still, but the other way around is fine.
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  600. # [23:24] <smaug____> TabAtkins: why do you want to embed html directly into svg?
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  602. # [23:25] <TabAtkins> So I can put <span> or <p> inside of SVG, without reinventing HTML in SVG elements?
  603. # [23:25] <TabAtkins> If you've never tried to write SVG by hand, dealing with text is THE WORST THING EVER.
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  605. # [23:25] <TabAtkins> You want a box filled with text? Congrats, you get to guess how large the text will be and make a completely independent rectangle positioned behind it.
  606. # [23:25] <TabAtkins> Linebreaking? SURELY YOU JEST, SIR.
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  609. # [23:27] <smaug____> TabAtkins: oh, you want to *fix* svg :)
  610. # [23:27] <TabAtkins> Also, shit like <video> and <audio> without going the Tiny1.2 route and having magical unique elements that are different-but-the-same as HTML.
  611. # [23:28] <TabAtkins> smaug____: Fixing from the inside, sure.
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  613. # [23:28] <TabAtkins> The end goal is making SVG entirely a part of HTML, but *some* people have a bizarre attachment to namespaces that is making that difficult.
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  621. # [23:43] <TabAtkins> The fun part is that SVG is totally cool with merging entirely into HTML, but there's pushback on the HTML side of the "they made their bed, now they have to lie in it" variety. :/
  622. # [23:43] <gavinc> bah, those people suck
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  637. # [23:55] <annevk> TabAtkins: seems mostly a CSS/SVG problem
  638. # [23:55] <annevk> TabAtkins: unless you want to change HTML parsing too... in which case WHATWG
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  642. # [23:57] <Hixie> TabAtkins: my reasoning is "svg is not a media-independent language and it makes no sense to merge them"
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  644. # [23:58] <WeirdAl> I'd argue against it myself: HTML and SVG are two honkin' huge specs
  645. # [23:58] <WeirdAl> </gallery>
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