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  41. # [01:28] <rniwa> sicking: yt?
  42. # [01:29] <sicking> rniwa: yup
  43. # [01:29] <rniwa> sicking: hi!
  44. # [01:29] <rniwa> sicking: do you care about interop. of mutation observers in the presence of mutation events?
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  48. # [01:30] <rniwa> sicking: in particular, what happens regards to delivering mutation records and the order thereof when mutation event listeners modify DOM.
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  52. # [01:30] <rniwa> sicking: as far as we know, mutation events isn't spec'ed in DOM4 so we can't really spec it.
  53. # [01:31] <sicking> rniwa: i personally don't particularly care that much no
  54. # [01:31] <rniwa> sicking: okay.
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  56. # [01:31] <rniwa> sicking: i'm a bit worried that some js libraries (notably rich text editors) rely on mutation events
  57. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: and other libraries on the same page that use mutation observers might get confused
  58. # [01:32] <sicking> rniwa: i can't speak for Olli, but it seems like that time would be better spent adding code that warns about mutationevents being used and otherwise discouraging people from using them
  59. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: but i guess that might be too much of an edge case to worry about :)
  60. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: true.
  61. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: but there will be some time before all major browsers on desktop & mobile start shipping mutation observers.
  62. # [01:32] <sicking> rniwa: so i take it that you will be adding mutationrecords in reverse order in some cases?
  63. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: e.g. Safari hasn't implemented mutation observers yet.
  64. # [01:32] <rniwa> sicking: no.
  65. # [01:33] <rniwa> sicking: we'll be enqueuing earlier sometimes
  66. # [01:33] <sicking> rniwa: Safari for iOS6 apparently has mutationobservers
  67. # [01:33] <rniwa> sicking: it does?
  68. # [01:33] <rniwa> interesting.
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  70. # [01:34] <sicking> caniuse doesn't have them, but i read it on the internet so i'm sure it's true :0
  71. # [01:34] <sicking> :)
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  74. # [01:37] <rniwa> sicking: apparently, safari doesn't get the end of task right :(
  75. # [01:37] <rniwa> sicking: so editing case is broken.
  76. # [01:37] <sicking> fabulous :(
  77. # [01:38] <rniwa> oh well… i guess we can file a apple bug.
  78. # [01:38] <rniwa> an*
  79. # [01:39] <rniwa> anyway, thanks.
  80. # [01:40] <rniwa> sicking: fwiw, https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97372 is the relevant bug.
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  87. # [02:03] <sicking> rniwa: so i'm still confused as to what you're actually doing?
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  106. # [03:37] <Hixie> sicking: might be interesting to just make mutation events intentionally slower, and then have advocacy to the effect of "mutation events are sloow, use this secret step the browser vendors don't want you to know to get fast mutation observers!"
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  118. # [04:02] <nessy> Hixie: can I ask for some clarification on http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7319&to=7320 ?
  119. # [04:04] <nessy> Hixie: did it close https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17680?
  120. # [04:04] <nessy> Hixie: or did it have to to with https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18784 ?
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  123. # [04:15] <nessy> Hixie: I am asking because the commit message says it's preparation for closing those bugs, but then there are no further patches on those bugs
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  175. # [10:51] <jgraham> nessy: I'm pretty sure that patch is expected to close https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17680 (it looks like it does enough to fix that issue at least)
  176. # [10:52] <jgraham> It would also be consistent with my reading of the commit message where the "preperation for" applies only to the first bug
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  178. # [10:53] <jgraham> (I assume the problem here is that svn is <del>silly</del><ins>lacks something like git add -p</ins>)
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  190. # [11:51] <nessy> jgraham, thanks that helps - I'm just surprised that 18784 is closed, too
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