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  10. # [00:14] <Hixie_> is there a spec that deals with onbeforecopy and stuff?
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  37. # [01:15] <Hixie_> as far as i can tell from http://gavinsharp.com/irc/whatwg.html zcorpan is online pretty much exactly when i'm not.
  38. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> I'm not far from overtaking hsivonen, excellent.
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  40. # [01:16] <TabAtkins> Damn, if you combine in the lines from TabAtkins_, I'm definitely ahead.
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  43. # [01:17] <Hixie_> i suppose i could _e-mail_ him
  44. # [01:17] <TabAtkins> gavin: Yo, Gavin, mind registering my aliases of TabAtkins_ and TabAtkins__ with TabAtkins?
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  50. # [01:28] <gavin> TabAtkins: http://svn.gavinsharp.com/viewvc.cgi/pisg/freenode.cfg.inc?r1=56&r2=62&diff_format=h
  51. # [01:28] <gavin> I kicked off another off-cycle run, should be updated in 10 minutes or so
  52. # [01:28] <gavin> probably less than that
  53. # [01:28] <TabAtkins> Cool, thanks!
  54. # [01:29] <gavin> oh, it's done now
  55. # [01:29] <gavin> hmm, didn't work
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  59. # [01:34] <gavin> that's weird
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  61. # [01:34] <gavin> doesn't seem to want to merge you with TabAtkins_
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  65. # [01:34] <TabAtkins> You sure that that attribute accepts regexes?
  66. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Or rather, if it *does* accept regexes, you miswrote it. ^_^
  67. # [01:35] <gavin> it's not regexps, it's some weird glob-like thing
  68. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Ah, weird.
  69. # [01:35] <gavin> trying again with a different variant
  70. # [01:35] <TabAtkins> Well, just merge me with TabAtkins_ explicitly. I'm very rarely TabAtkins__
  71. # [01:37] <gavin> I tried that, doesn't work
  72. # [01:37] <gavin> something weird must be going on
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  98. # [02:50] <smaug____> could someone remind me what is the use case for <iframe srcdoc="..."> which can't be handled with data urls?
  99. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> srcdoc has much easier escaping requirements.
  100. # [02:51] <TabAtkins> To securely escape @srcdoc, you only need to escape your quoting character. (You also want to escape &, but that's not necessary for security.)
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  102. # [02:53] <smaug____> but no different use cases
  103. # [02:53] <smaug____> just thinking whether to implement it
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  122. # [03:40] <Hixie_> smaug____: srcdoc="" is basically equivalent to data:, but has the huge advantage that it is actually readable in the source (e.g. you don't have to escape ' ').
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  125. # [03:44] <TabAtkins> Also, if you're using DOM to set it, it's literally nothing more than "iframe.srcdoc = text;". No escaping at all is required.
  126. # [03:45] <Hixie_> indeed
  127. # [03:46] <Hixie_> so in conclusion, it's just convenience, but it's _really_ much more convenient. :-)
  128. # [03:48] <smaug____> k
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  208. # [13:21] <krijn> annevk: heb jij mijn html5.org pass nog ergens?
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  210. # [13:21] <divya> jgraham: likely they just square away opera with ie
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  213. # [13:40] <smaug____> control.labels isn't live, right?
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  230. # [14:08] <zcorpan> smaug____: why would it not be?
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  233. # [14:10] <smaug____> zcorpan: I don't see anything in the spec saying it would be
  234. # [14:12] <smaug____> ah, by default it is live
  235. # [14:12] <zcorpan> smaug____: "Unless otherwise stated, a collection must be live." http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-collection
  236. # [14:12] <smaug____> readability is less than good
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  249. # [14:32] <MikeSmith_> zcorpan: http://w3c-test.org/quirks-mode/
  250. # [14:32] <MikeSmith_> sorry it took me so long to get around to it
  251. # [14:33] <MikeSmith_> looks like everything is there now as expected
  252. # [14:33] <MikeSmith_> http://w3c-test.org/quirks-mode/tests/
  253. # [14:33] <zcorpan> MikeSmith_: thanks!
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  255. # [14:34] <MikeSmith_> zcorpan: and now I'm trying to figure out how I can get the redirect set up on test.w3.org
  256. # [14:34] <zcorpan> MikeSmith_: cool
  257. # [14:37] <annevk> krijn: kan 'm resetten
  258. # [14:37] <annevk> krijn: doe ik nu even
  259. # [14:37] <hsivonen> oh great. Gecko detects BOMless UTF-16 for XML even though the spec says it’s prohibited
  260. # [14:37] <hsivonen> I wonder what kind of YSoD doom would ensue if I fixed that
  261. # [14:38] <annevk> krijn: wil je ftp houden of liever ssh?
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  263. # [14:40] <annevk> noticing encoding issues on that w3c-test.org/quirks-mode URL
  264. # [14:41] <hsivonen> annevk: btw, the .txt files for the Encoding Standard need charset=UTF-8 (or BOM)
  265. # [14:42] <zcorpan> hsivonen: does the html spec support bomless utf-16 for html? last i checked i couldn't find anything
  266. # [14:43] <hsivonen> zcorpan: it doesn’t (except potentially via the heuristic detector black box)
  267. # [14:43] <zcorpan> ok
  268. # [14:44] <zcorpan> do you know what the browser landscape looks like offhand?
  269. # [14:44] <hsivonen> I don’t
  270. # [14:44] <annevk> hsivonen: but the files seem to work fine?
  271. # [14:44] <annevk> ooh, only in Opera
  272. # [14:44] <hsivonen> Gecko tries to detect the case where the file is all-Basic Latin BOMless UTF-16
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  274. # [14:44] <hsivonen> probably an overreaction
  275. # [14:45] <zcorpan> hsivonen: before fixing gecko to match the xml spec, might be worth it to see what happens in other browsers and in html. maybe the xml spec is just wrong?
  276. # [14:45] <hsivonen> if we reacted like that to Microdata, we’d have nuked the Microdata API by now
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  278. # [14:45] <hsivonen> zcorpan: yeah. testing other browsers is just more annoying than looking at the Gecko code
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  280. # [14:47] <zcorpan> annevk: opera detects utf-8. maybe we should drop that
  281. # [14:47] <hsivonen> in other news, Gecko looks broken in the case where the BOM or the XML declaration isn’t fully within the first network buffer
  282. # [14:47] <annevk> got some very bad latency over ssh :/
  283. # [14:48] <hsivonen> Same thing with the CSS parser, it looks like, unless I’m missing some buffering
  284. # [14:49] <hsivonen> looks like I’m the only one in the habit of making my BOM sniffing resilient against buffer boundaries
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  287. # [14:49] <annevk> hsivonen: I think I fixed it by adding AddDefaultCharset utf-8
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  289. # [14:50] <annevk> whoa, AddDefaultCharset defaults to iso-8859-1
  290. # [14:50] <hsivonen> annevk: thanks
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  293. # [14:51] <hsivonen> annevk: IIRC, Gecko works around that Apache stubbornness
  294. # [14:52] <annevk> zcorpan: it's causing breakage in other browsers!
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  296. # [14:54] <odinho> annevk: mosh -- just installed it on client and server because I've been doing lots'a 3G lately. It makes remote ssh-ing smooth. :-)
  297. # [14:56] <MikeSmith_> zcorpan: OK set up http://test.w3.org/* to 301 to http://w3c-test.org/*
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  299. # [14:57] <zcorpan> MikeSmith_: thanks. seems the redirect prepends a slash to the new url
  300. # [14:57] <zcorpan> in the path
  301. # [14:57] <MikeSmith_> yeah saw that I dunno why
  302. # [14:57] <zcorpan> how did you implement it?
  303. # [14:57] <MikeSmith_> RedirectMatch permanent ^(.*)$ http://w3c-test.org/$1
  304. # [14:58] <zcorpan> I'd do: Redirect 301 / http://w3c-test.org/
  305. # [14:58] <zcorpan> but otherwise dropping the slash before $1 would work i guess
  306. # [14:58] <MikeSmith_> ok lemme try that
  307. # [14:58] <MikeSmith_> ah yeah
  308. # [14:59] <MikeSmith_> OK slash shoudl be gone now
  309. # [15:00] <zcorpan> thanks!
  310. # [15:01] <zcorpan> MikeSmith_: i had sent an email about this (and the other redirect issue) http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wmdajyzjidj3kv@simons-macbook-pro.local
  311. # [15:01] <MikeSmith_> yeah saw that
  312. # [15:01] <MikeSmith_> plh pinged me about it
  313. # [15:02] <MikeSmith_> hmm the link in that spec is still busted
  314. # [15:03] <MikeSmith_> since the tests subdirectory is gone
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  316. # [15:04] <MikeSmith_> seems it should just get redirected to http://w3c-test.org/webapps/XMLHttpRequest/tests/ now, right
  317. # [15:04] <MikeSmith_> ?
  318. # [15:04] <MikeSmith_> I think if you add a redirect in an .htaccess in the repo, that should work
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  321. # [15:13] <zcorpan> i did that, it didn't work
  322. # [15:14] <zcorpan> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/rev/f5791dfb4e7b
  323. # [15:14] <MikeSmith_> ok
  324. # [15:14] <MikeSmith_> lemme check
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  327. # [15:16] <zcorpan> maybe redirects are not allowed except for the root .htaccess? dunno if apache has such a setting
  328. # [15:16] <MikeSmith_> ah
  329. # [15:16] <MikeSmith_> yeah, probably
  330. # [15:16] <MikeSmith_> AllowOptions setting
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  335. # [15:20] <hsivonen> about:blank is defined to be UTF-8, right?
  336. # [15:22] <jgraham> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06 says so, at least
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  338. # [15:24] <hsivonen> ok. thanks
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  342. # [15:27] <MikeSmith_> zcorpan: if you change it to Redirect 301 /webapps/tests/XMLHttpRequest/info.htm http://w3c-test.org/webapps/XMLHttpRequest/tests/submissions/Opera/info.htm
  343. # [15:27] <MikeSmith_> that should work
  344. # [15:27] <MikeSmith_> absolute path
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  349. # [15:41] <annevk> zcorpan: how do you feel about TypeError?
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  351. # [15:41] <zcorpan> annevk: you mean using an enum?
  352. # [15:41] <annevk> no just throwing TypeError
  353. # [15:42] <annevk> as if it was an enum, basically
  354. # [15:42] <zcorpan> i guess that works
  355. # [15:42] <annevk> cool
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  364. # [16:07] <annevk> i fixed the stream thingie too I think
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  366. # [16:07] <annevk> it should prolly be done in a nicer way though, if someone sees a way to rewrite the conceptual interfaces that'd be great
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  381. # [16:24] <jgraham> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/168751/is-the-use-of-utf8-preferable-to-utf8-true
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  387. # [16:35] <annevk> interesting answer
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  389. # [16:43] <zcorpan> MikeSmith_: seems the redirect works now. thanks!
  390. # [16:44] <MikeSmith_> cool
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  393. # [16:49] <zcorpan> how was it again, setting event handler idl attributes to non-functions means it gets set to null?
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  398. # [17:03] <annevk> think so
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  414. # [17:38] <annevk> zewt: optional might then make sense, not sure about nullable
  415. # [17:39] <annevk> but I guess making input optional makes sense
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