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  1. # Session Start: Sat Dec 01 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> oh wait, maybe this isn't compression that's screwing me
  4. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> RewriteRule . - [E=no-gzip:1]
  5. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> First result in google for me?
  6. # [00:00] <Hixie> yeah i have that already
  7. # [00:00] <TabAtkins> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3414243/how-to-disable-compression-in-apache-on-some-response-header-from-mod-jk-proxied
  8. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> First answer, that line didn't work for him either.
  9. # [00:01] <Hixie> also tried that
  10. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> unsetting Accept-Encoding?
  11. # [00:01] <Hixie> also tried:
  12. # [00:01] <Hixie> <IfModule mod_gzip.c>
  13. # [00:01] <Hixie> mod_gzip_on No
  14. # [00:01] <Hixie> </IfModule>
  15. # [00:01] <TabAtkins> Read the rest of the first answer.
  16. # [00:01] <Hixie> i don't think i can unset that from .htaccess
  17. # [00:02] <TabAtkins> Dude, *read the answer*. There's an htaccess line for doing so right in it.
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  19. # [00:03] <Hixie> http://damowmow.com/playground/demos/navigation/dot-htaccess is what i've tried, which as far as i can tell is everything from that page
  20. # [00:03] <Hixie> (and every other page from a number of other google queries i did)
  21. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> Okay, that's everything I've seen.
  22. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> Are you outputting from PHP?
  23. # [00:03] <Hixie> perl
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  25. # [00:03] <Hixie> and i have $| = 1
  26. # [00:03] <TabAtkins> Then no clue.
  27. # [00:04] <TabAtkins> (PHP has some output encoding you can turn off too.)
  28. # [00:04] <jsbell> sicking: ping?
  29. # [00:04] <jsbell> sicking: just curious re: Arthur's mail about moving the IDB spec along
  30. # [00:05] <Hixie> TabAtkins: k
  31. # [00:05] <Hixie> TabAtkins: btw "*read the answer*" isn't helpful when i found and read the answer long before i asked here
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  33. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> Hixie: You were telling me you'd already done the things in the answer, but only describing precisely the things that the answer said didn't work, and not mentioning the line the answer said *did* work, which was why I pointed you to it in the first place. ^_^
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  35. # [00:07] <Hixie> i only said "also tried that"
  36. # [00:07] <Hixie> meaning that page
  37. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Okay, that was unclear. It was muddled further when you said "i don't think i can unset that from .htaccess", when the answer specifically provides an htaccess line for unsetting that. ^_^
  38. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> It sounded a lot like you had just skimmed the page and missed that last part.
  39. # [00:08] <Hixie> no it doesn't, it provides an httpd.conf line for setting that
  40. # [00:08] <Hixie> VirtualHost only appears in httpd.conf
  41. # [00:08] <Hixie> i'm fine with you not being able to help, just a bit offended that you just assume i don't know how to read :-P
  42. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Oh, I forgot that VirtualHost is only settable in httpd.conf
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  44. # [00:09] <Hixie> seriously though, wtf apach
  45. # [00:09] <Hixie> e
  46. # [00:09] <TabAtkins> Hixie: I was as surprised at your apparent lack of ability as you are offended. ^_^
  47. # [00:09] <Hixie> :-P
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  49. # [00:10] <annevk> TabAtkins: yeah, can do, I was actually wondering if we might be able to get away with not having the two-arg delete()
  50. # [00:10] <Hixie> ok so it looks like the problem isn't compression, apache is just buffering stuff up for reasons i cannot phathom
  51. # [00:11] <annevk> TabAtkins: we can always add, not so much remove
  52. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> annevk: Sure. Feel free to simplify for now, and only add the absolute minimum of MultiMap features.
  53. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> annevk: I'm writing an email to es-discuss right now laying out our conclusions and seeing if they're okay.
  54. # [00:12] <annevk> TabAtkins: is MultiMap ordered btw?
  55. # [00:12] <TabAtkins> Map is ordered, so yes.
  56. # [00:13] <annevk> oh, Map is ordereD?
  57. # [00:13] <TabAtkins> (It was that, or require randomization, and people wouldn't bite that bullet.)
  58. # [00:13] <annevk> interesting
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  60. # [00:13] <TabAtkins> (Go requires its map iterators to randomize.)
  61. # [00:13] <annevk> because otherwise developers start depending on implementation order?
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  63. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> If you don't randomize, you're just speccing it as de factor (and non-interoperably) ordered, anyway.
  64. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> s/factor/facto/
  65. # [00:15] <TabAtkins> (Or rather, Go's map iterators start from a random *position*. I don't think it specs the actual order, but impl-order should be less dangerous if you can't depend on the starting position.)
  66. # [00:15] <annevk> i'm removing two-arg delete right now
  67. # [00:15] <TabAtkins> kk
  68. # [00:15] <annevk> so TC39 can look at the simplified thing
  69. # [00:16] <Hixie> ok wtf apache.
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  71. # [00:16] <Hixie> surely it can't be buffering _megabytes_ of data
  72. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> I fail to see why you find that surprising.
  73. # [00:16] <TabAtkins> Buffers and huge and everywhere.
  74. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> s/Buffers and/Buffers are/
  75. # [00:17] <Hixie> well mainly i find it surprising because the buffering extension is optional and defaults to 128KB and doesn't seem to be installed
  76. # [00:17] <TabAtkins> Hahaha
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  79. # [00:19] <Hixie> also because none of the apache processes are as big as the amount of data i've output
  80. # [00:19] * tantek scrolls up to see SimonSapin's quoting something from http://standardssuck.org
  81. # [00:20] <SimonSapin> yeah, just found out about it
  82. # [00:20] <tantek> n.m. that post was from 4+ years ago!
  83. # [00:20] <tantek> "August 4, 2008"
  84. # [00:20] <SimonSapin> indeed
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  86. # [00:20] <Hixie> oooh, it _is_ caching
  87. # [00:21] <tantek> GRDDL was horribly impractical, needed XSLT to work etc.
  88. # [00:21] <Hixie> just one of my apache processes just reached like 100mb
  89. # [00:21] <Hixie> and rising
  90. # [00:21] <Hixie> that definitely seems suboptimal
  91. # [00:21] <tantek> SimonSapin, now it's even simpler for the RDF folks get an RDF-like-view of microformats: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-rdf
  92. # [00:21] <tantek> (if that kind of thing floats your boat)
  93. # [00:22] <SimonSapin> tantek: thanks for the link. I’m not really using/implementing any of these, it was more anecdotal. Seemed appropriate given recent discussions
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  95. # [00:23] <SimonSapin> I mean, funny that the same things were being said 4 years (aka. forever) ago.
  96. # [00:24] <TabAtkins> annevk: What happens if you do "u.set('foo', 'bar'); u.append('foo', 'bar');"? Set twice?
  97. # [00:24] <tantek> SimonSapin, yes, such conversations will continue until sufficient conversion tools exist to make the conversations pointless
  98. # [00:24] <TabAtkins> I guess you have to allow that, since you can create a query with "?foo=bar&foo=bar", I think.
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  100. # [00:25] <annevk> yeah that works
  101. # [00:25] <annevk> append is just append, nothing special
  102. # [00:25] <tantek> And to that extent, we are making progress.
  103. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> Kk, I was just wondering if "u.delete('foo', 'bar');" would then remove both of them, or the first one, or what.
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  106. # [00:26] <annevk> the definition I had would kill both
  107. # [00:26] <SimonSapin> annevk: any idea around of doing standardssuck.org again? :)
  108. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> That's fine with me. Just wondering if there was an obvious answer, for my email.
  109. # [00:26] <tantek> microformats2 parses to pretty much the same JSON that microdata does, but is less markup for authors (and fewer attributes to learn which does what etc.). once there's implementations of such conversion tools for the RDF folks, they can just use that, rather than asking authors to bend over backwards with ugly markup.
  110. # [00:27] <annevk> TabAtkins: yeah dunno, depends on what you expect I guess, maybe some of these system guarantee name-value pair uniqueness? not sure what the benefit of that would be though
  111. # [00:27] <tantek> annevk - you should interview yourself for standardssuck.org on the subject of licenses and (not) being an invited expert for W3C. just splice together video of you asking and answering the questions
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  113. # [00:27] <tantek> e.g. sitting in opposing chairs
  114. # [00:27] <annevk> heh
  115. # [00:27] <TabAtkins> That would be funny. ^^_
  116. # [00:28] <SimonSapin> definitely
  117. # [00:28] <tantek> there aren't enough funny/snarky posts (and video at that) about licensing issues at W3C
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  127. # [00:47] <sicking> jsbell: ugh, yeah, i don't think that i realistically will be doing any IDB editing this year :(
  128. # [00:47] <jsbell> sicking: this year = 2012 or this year = next 12 months? Wondering how we can help.
  129. # [00:48] <sicking> 2012 :)
  130. # [00:48] <sicking> jsbell: if you want to help editing that would rock
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  132. # [00:48] <sicking> jsbell: the big task is to integrate the latest respec
  133. # [00:48] <sicking> jsbell: that way we can fix up a lot of the webidl, which will tighten things up a lot
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  136. # [00:50] <jsbell> sicking: not sure if I'll have cycles over the next few weeks either, but if you can send me pointers maybe I can take a look (I haven't touched one of these specs before)
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  139. # [01:01] <sicking> jsbell: cool, will do
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  144. # [01:05] * jwalden wonders what exactly http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/post/36895847700 is referring to
  145. # [01:06] <TabAtkins> jwalden: HTMLWG has two very private lists, where all the decisions about what actually gets merged into the spec appear to take place.
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  149. # [01:07] <jwalden> so it's a gripe about those decisions not being in the open, or something?
  150. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> Yes.
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  153. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> And not even being member-private, but team-private.
  154. # [01:08] <Hixie> it's more just an observation of how charters at the w3c are meaningless and only observed when it's convenient (the top line is a quote from the charter)
  155. # [01:09] <jwalden> :-)
  156. # [01:09] <jwalden> given the choice to laugh or cry, I laugh
  157. # [01:10] <Hixie> it's also implicitly a rebuke to those who say the whatwg is opaque and the w3c is more transparent :-)
  158. # [01:13] <TabAtkins> annevk: Someone in es-discuss suggests push() instead of append(), since the functionality parallels what push() does in arrays.
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  160. # [01:14] <Hixie> can anyone prove that submit() does something synchronously?
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  162. # [01:14] <TabAtkins> annevk: Also, it was pointed out that ES6's spread operator makes setAll()/appendAll() superfluous, as we can instead just make then n-ary and then spread will take care of when you've got an array of values to use.
  163. # [01:15] <Hixie> i guess just the navigation could be async
  164. # [01:15] <TabAtkins> That is, "u.set('foo', 1, 2, 3)" or "u.set('foo', ...[1,2,3])", so no need for "u.setAll('foo', [1,2,3])".
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  168. # [01:16] <zewt> "...[1,2,3]"? they couldn't just steal python's *syntax instead of making up something new (if that's what it looks like)?
  169. # [01:16] <Hixie> ok i could tell if that's the case because if the nav was sync, then onbeforeunload would be called before submit() returns
  170. # [01:16] <Hixie> ok
  171. # [01:17] <Hixie> that's easy to test
  172. # [01:17] <TabAtkins> zewt: Pretty sure that syntax is stolen from another language, actually.
  173. # [01:17] <TabAtkins> (Python's is kinda dumb.)
  174. # [01:17] <zewt> not any language I know (and I know a decent number)
  175. # [01:19] <Hixie> aHA! it is async in chrome and sync in firefox
  176. # [01:19] <Hixie> and of course beforeunload doesn't fire in opera
  177. # [01:19] <Hixie> because WHY WOULD WE NEED TO BE INTEROPERABLE
  178. # [01:19] <Hixie> that would be too easy
  179. # [01:19] <Hixie> anyone got IE handy?
  180. # [01:20] <Hixie> for the tie breaker?
  181. # [01:20] <zewt> ie9
  182. # [01:20] <Hixie> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1946
  183. # [01:20] <Hixie> what are the three events in the log
  184. # [01:20] <Hixie> after you click teh button
  185. # [01:21] <zewt> log: event "click" using interface "[object MouseEvent]" targetted at <INPUT>; bubbles; cancelable
  186. # [01:21] <zewt> log: event "beforeunload" using interface "[object BeforeUnloadEvent]" targetted at "[object Window]"; cancelable
  187. # [01:21] <zewt> log: event "click" using interface "[object MouseEvent]" targetted at <INPUT>; bubbles; cancelable
  188. # [01:21] <Hixie> cool, thanks
  189. # [01:22] <Hixie> ok, mozilla, you win this round
  190. # [01:22] <zewt> synchronous events :|
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  192. # [01:22] <Hixie> this was just setting the stage for the real question, which is what happens when you submit the form from onbeforeunload
  193. # [01:23] <Hixie> if they were async that would be conveniently much easier
  194. # [01:23] <Hixie> but apparently easy isn't on the cards for today
  195. # [01:24] <Hixie> firefox apparently doesn't submit the form!
  196. # [01:24] <Hixie> zewt: if you're bored, see what IE does on http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1947 (but don't worry if you can't be bothered or are busy or whatever)
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  198. # [01:25] <Hixie> looks like firefox stops all reentrant navigations during onbeforeunload
  199. # [01:25] <Hixie> interesting
  200. # [01:26] <zewt> log: event "click" using interface "[object MouseEvent]" targetted at <INPUT>; bubbles; cancelable
  201. # [01:26] <zewt> log: event "beforeunload" using interface "[object BeforeUnloadEvent]" targetted at "[object Window]"; cancelable
  202. # [01:26] <zewt> log: event "beforeunload" using interface "[object BeforeUnloadEvent]" targetted at "[object Window]"; cancelable
  203. # [01:26] <zewt> log: event "click" using interface "[object MouseEvent]" targetted at <INPUT>; bubbles; cancelable
  204. # [01:26] <zewt> o/~ spam o/~
  205. # [01:26] <Hixie> and the rendered view points to what?
  206. # [01:26] <Hixie> nested live dom viewer, software.hixie.ch home page, other?
  207. # [01:27] <zewt> nested
  208. # [01:27] <Hixie> wow, interop
  209. # [01:27] <Hixie> sweet, thanks
  210. # [01:27] <Hixie> zewt: just for completeness, same result for http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1948 ?
  211. # [01:27] <Hixie> (changing the form to a location setter)
  212. # [01:28] <zewt> yeah
  213. # [01:28] <Hixie> awesome
  214. # [01:30] <zewt> location.reload too?
  215. # [01:31] <Hixie> sure, if you want
  216. # [01:31] <zewt> up to you, just checking
  217. # [01:31] <Hixie> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1949 should be it
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  219. # [01:32] <zewt> that one lands back on the original view, and logs 6 events (click, beforeunload, beforeunload, click, beforeunload, beforeunload)
  220. # [01:33] <Hixie> different than gecko
  221. # [01:33] <Hixie> interesting
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  223. # [01:37] <Hixie> interesting, gecko even kills navs in onbeforeunload for history.back()
  224. # [01:37] <Hixie> (not gonna ask you to test that cos it's a pain to set up)
  225. # [01:38] <Hixie> wait that wasn't firefox, duh
  226. # [01:38] <Hixie> twisty maze of browsers, all alike
  227. # [01:38] <Hixie> same result, ok
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  328. # [08:49] <jordanbtucker> hi everyone
  329. # [08:51] <jordanbtucker> I've got a question about adjusting foreign attributes for a token at tree-construction.html#adjust-foreign-attributes
  330. # [08:53] <jordanbtucker> at tokenization.html#tokenization the spec says that tag tokens have attributes and those attribute have a name and a value
  331. # [08:53] <jordanbtucker> it doesn't say anything about those attributes having namespaces
  332. # [08:54] <jordanbtucker> but at tree-construction.html#adjust-foreign-attributes the spec says that the token attributes should be made namespaced attributes
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  334. # [08:55] <jordanbtucker> i assume this means that the attributes added to the element that will be created from the token should be namespaced
  335. # [08:58] <jordanbtucker> but then introduction.html#html-vs-xhtml says that namespaces cannot be represented by the HTML syntax, but the DOM can represent them
  336. # [08:59] <jordanbtucker> in my head, this is a disconnect: the HTML syntax can't represent namespaces, yet parsed attributes are created as namespaces attribute in the DOM by the HTML parser
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  340. # [09:00] <jordanbtucker> *namespaced attributes
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  342. # [09:14] <SimonSapin> jordanbtucker: yes. This is just like element names. <p> ends up with a XHTML namespace, <svg> with a SVG namespace, but neither namespace is represented in syntax
  343. # [09:20] <jordanbtucker> thanks. i understand that better now. i just didn't get it the first few times i read it
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  363. # [10:42] <annevk> hmm url.query = url2.query; should happen?
  364. # [10:42] <annevk> I guess either it should magically clone url2.query on assignment or ignore assignment or throw
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  389. # [11:05] <annevk> TabAtkins: it's not called push() because of FormData http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/#formdata (and we use append() in e.g. the DOM as well to mean the same thing)
  390. # [11:06] <annevk> TabAtkins: but yeah, you can argue this one either way :/
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  393. # [11:07] <annevk> TabAtkins: arity works, with appending behavior for set if there's more values given than values on the object for the given name?
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  399. # [11:34] <Ms2ger> "341 e-mails remaining", lowest since April 2010
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  403. # [11:42] <jgraham> Hixie: Sorry, I was not
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  405. # [11:53] <annevk> Ms2ger: do you know what the "behind" thing means?
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  407. # [11:54] <annevk> So I guess given the bug Hixie pointed yesterday "query state" will actually need to do buffering before percent encoding because otherwise legacy encodings will go wrong
  408. # [11:54] <annevk> legacy encodings, fuck you
  409. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> var expected = -(start/(runwayEnd-runwayStart))*(runwayNow-runwayStart)+start;
  410. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> var delta = (expected - actual).toFixed(0);
  411. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> if (delta > 0)
  412. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> return delta /*+ s*/ + ' ahead';
  413. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> else
  414. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> return -delta /*+ s*/ + ' behind';
  415. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> Mm
  416. # [11:56] <Ms2ger> Looks like he wants to get to zero by the start of the new year
  417. # [11:56] <annevk> no Christmas for Hixie then? :p
  418. # [11:57] <Ms2ger> He'll just act like everyone is celebrating his birthday early :)
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  429. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: created bugzilla component for CSS Display
  430. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=CSS&component=Display&list_id=2660
  431. # [12:41] <MikeSmith> sorry for the delay
  432. # [12:44] <MikeSmith> hey conformance-checking fans: I integrated support into the validator for allowing you to filter out any error/warning/info messages you don't want to see
  433. # [12:44] <MikeSmith> http://qa-dev.w3.org:8888/
  434. # [12:44] <MikeSmith> please try it and let me know if you find any problems
  435. # [12:44] <MikeSmith> this is based on Keegan Street's code
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  437. # [12:45] <MikeSmith> though I rewrote quite a lot of it due to it relying on JQuery
  438. # [12:47] <MikeSmith> since it didn't seem prudent to add a JQuery dependency when it adds more than the current combined size of the whole JS + HTML + CSS for the existing UI
  439. # [12:49] <annevk> MikeSmith: do you think we can remove the status column on http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions ?
  440. # [12:49] <MikeSmith> annevk: saw you comment about that
  441. # [12:49] <MikeSmith> lemme look
  442. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> hmm yeah
  443. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> you're right
  444. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> it's not needed by anybody
  445. # [12:50] <MikeSmith> given the way the page is already organized
  446. # [12:50] * tantek takes a look at http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions
  447. # [12:50] <tantek> yikes
  448. # [12:51] <annevk> MikeSmith: would it break the scripts from validator.nu?
  449. # [12:51] <MikeSmith> annevk: no because we are not parsing that page and extracting anything from it
  450. # [12:51] <MikeSmith> we just eyeball it
  451. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> the supported values are hardcoded
  452. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> enumerated
  453. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> we add new ones manually to the source when needed
  454. # [12:53] <annevk> oh
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  456. # [12:54] <annevk> hmm I guess I won't change it for now and let Hixie sort it out
  457. # [12:54] <annevk> the "status" thing is a concept HTML defines, although it's inconsistent with that page
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  492. # [16:27] <annevk> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-00#section-3.2.1 if you're going to include scheme/host/port/path, why not just pass a URL?
  493. # [16:27] <Ms2ger> Because there are no URLs, only IRIs
  494. # [16:32] <annevk> they do reference some obsoleted URL RFC though
  495. # [16:32] <annevk> maybe not enough IETF party line rewrite yet
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  593. # [22:24] <SimonSapin> Is there a way not to get so many captchas when editing wiki.whatwg.org?
  594. # [22:34] <Hixie> i never get captchas... dunno
  595. # [22:34] <Hixie> GPHemsley?
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  598. # [22:38] <Hixie> nessy: yt?
  599. # [22:42] <GPHemsley> SimonSapin: Wait a few days. :)
  600. # [22:43] <SimonSapin> GPHemsley: ok, thanks
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  606. # [23:17] <SimonSapin> oh great … the grammars in HTTP implicitly allow white space … sometimes
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