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  108. # [04:43] <MikeSmith> all right http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.jp/2012/12/introducing-data-highlighter-for-event.html seems pretty cool
  109. # [04:43] <MikeSmith> http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2692911
  110. # [04:44] <MikeSmith> Google Data Highlighter
  111. # [04:44] <MikeSmith> tantek: thoughts?
  112. # [04:45] <tantek> MikeSmith - whoa - sounds pretty cool
  113. # [04:46] <tantek> direct manipulation of visible content like that is potentially easier / more accessible than having to mark it up.
  114. # [04:46] <MikeSmith> yup
  115. # [04:46] <tantek> my guess is that it would be quite fragile to markup changes though
  116. # [04:47] <MikeSmith> yeah I would guess so too
  117. # [04:47] <tantek> so as soon as the site gets a redesign, or a developer updates a template, all the smart learning rules would likely break
  118. # [04:47] <tantek> one of the experiences we've had with microformats is that for long term data quality you really do need to engage with the design/development side of web sites
  119. # [04:48] <tantek> and as such, any kind of "data" markup like that needs to be super-easy to a) recognize that it exists at all, b) maintain / update.
  120. # [04:48] <tantek> some of that learned experience went into the design of microformats2
  121. # [04:49] <MikeSmith> yeah this could kind of make it more of a designer task rather than a author/developer task
  122. # [04:49] <tantek> sort of
  123. # [04:49] <tantek> web designers already know microformats
  124. # [04:49] <tantek> the data highlighter is aimed at non-technical folks
  125. # [04:49] <tantek> designers tend to be technical today
  126. # [04:49] <tantek> data highlighter appears to be aimed at product manager types, or maybe SEO consultants
  127. # [04:50] <tantek> oh, and there is one *big massive problem* with data highlighter - it only helps your content look "richer" in *Google* search results, because *Google* holds onto the smarts about what parts of your web page mean what.
  128. # [04:50] <scor> problem is: this is only for Google, you explain to Google how your site is built… will other search engines come up with their own custom DH as well?
  129. # [04:51] <tantek> whereas semantic in HTML, microformats, microdata, RDFa are accessible to *all* search engines and tools
  130. # [04:51] <scor> granted, most SEO people care mostly about Google,
  131. # [04:51] <tantek> scor - precisely, it doesn't scale either
  132. # [04:51] <Hixie> would be cool if it handed you back a bash script you could run on your site that would apply edits to the pages to mark them up with microdata (or whatever)
  133. # [04:51] <scor> but in doing so, they're isolating the other search engines
  134. # [04:51] <tantek> Hixie - good luck
  135. # [04:51] <tantek> might as well ask for a a bash script you could run on your site that would apply edits to the pages to mark them up with HTML :)
  136. # [04:52] <tantek> scor - exactly
  137. # [04:52] <scor> sounds counter to the whole schema.org initiative which was meant to bring all search engines together :(
  138. # [04:52] <Hixie> i don't see why it'd be hard, i mean, they essentially do this
  139. # [04:52] <MikeSmith> I guess Google has no business incentive to help you make that data portable
  140. # [04:52] <tantek> scor - indeed
  141. # [04:52] <scor> MikeSmith: true
  142. # [04:52] <tantek> Hixie - no, Altavista essentially did that
  143. # [04:52] <scor> though they initiated schema.org :)
  144. # [04:52] <tantek> Google paid much more attention to all the explicit markup in the page, especially links
  145. # [04:52] <tantek> and thus crushed Altavista
  146. # [04:52] <scor> but I guess these two projects came from different people at Google
  147. # [04:52] <tantek> scor - different groups
  148. # [04:52] <tantek> exactly
  149. # [04:53] <tantek> there is a *very* strong automatic text-entity recognition/analysis group inside Google who don't believe in any explicit markup. mostly PhDs.
  150. # [04:53] <Hixie> tantek: ?
  151. # [04:53] <tantek> it's a cultural thing
  152. # [04:54] <tantek> anyway, I see the data highlighter as a useful UI experiment
  153. # [04:54] <tantek> Google-specific and all that
  154. # [04:54] <tantek> but think of it like a Labs thing (or what Labs tried to be - is it still around?)
  155. # [04:55] <tantek> but you're right scor, I'd expect data highlighter to piss off the other members of the schema-org oligopoly
  156. # [04:55] <tantek> will be interesting to see if there's any political fall out
  157. # [04:55] <scor> yes
  158. # [04:56] <tantek> MikeSmith - the general rule about distance between data and metadata applies too
  159. # [04:57] <tantek> and storing your metadata (in some proprietary Google-access-only database) that far from your data (in your web page) is likely to result in unreliability quite quickly
  160. # [04:58] <tantek> at best it's a slicker UI on top of the GoogleBase concept (which was similarly a proprietary Google-access-only database)
  161. # [04:59] <tantek> BTW, MikeSmith, Hixie, do you know where Google's documentation about Rich Snippets from semantic HTML tables is?
  162. # [04:59] <tantek> I've been looking for it and can't find it
  163. # [04:59] <tantek> despite the fact that I *know* that Google is using semantic HTML tables to display rich snippets
  164. # [04:59] <MikeSmith> tantek: no clue from me on that one
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  166. # [05:19] <tantek> MikeSmith - here's the example Google RichSnippet from *just* a semantic table: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8000688018/in/photostream
  167. # [05:19] <tantek> (that first result)
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  171. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> .window 25
  172. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> oopws
  173. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> tantek: the "semantic HTML table" part is the table-like bit there?
  174. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> what's semantic about it?
  175. # [05:25] <tantek> the markup in the page
  176. # [05:26] <tantek> bbiab
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  179. # [05:34] <tantek> Google is picking out the following information purely from the semantic HTML markup in that example:
  180. # [05:34] <tantek> 500+ items - from the number of <tr>s
  181. # [05:35] <tantek> grey text table headers - from the <th>s *with text content* (google skipped the column with images)
  182. # [05:35] <tantek> first two rows from the table with data
  183. # [05:39] <tantek> now obviously not all pages with tables with ths and tds look like that in Google results - so the question is, what did I do in that *very* simple page to get the nice looking Rich Snippet in Google results?
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  186. # [05:49] <MikeSmith> tantek: maybe that's one of those things they are not going to tell you
  187. # [05:49] <MikeSmith> intentionally
  188. # [05:51] <MikeSmith> you gotta reverse-engineer it
  189. # [05:51] <tantek> sure, I found it *accidentally*
  190. # [05:51] <tantek> I just did simple clean minimal markup
  191. # [05:51] <tantek> and then magically got that result within 24 hours
  192. # [05:51] <tantek> I *think* I've seen similar things with lists? (<ol> <ul>)
  193. # [05:52] <tantek> maybe they have some secret sauce where if the vast majority of a page's content is a single semantic <table> then they treat it specially like that
  194. # [05:52] <tantek> that would be my guess
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  196. # [05:53] <MikeSmith> yeah the more I think about that the more it makes me think they are never going to document that kind of stuff
  197. # [05:54] <tantek> but they document simpler things like rel
  198. # [05:54] <MikeSmith> because for one thing they need to be free to change it
  199. # [05:54] <tantek> rel=author, rel=me support for example
  200. # [05:54] <MikeSmith> yeah
  201. # [05:54] <tantek> sure, they're free to change any of this stuff
  202. # [05:54] <tantek> they have disclaimers of that sort all over the rich snippets docs
  203. # [05:54] <MikeSmith> ok
  204. # [05:54] <tantek> so why not document proper HTML table and list markup as a technique? what's the downside?
  205. # [05:55] <tantek> too many SEOs start using proper semantic table / list markup? ;)
  206. # [05:56] <MikeSmith> dunno but maybe be cause the conventions have not emerged
  207. # [05:57] <MikeSmith> they are sort of causing the conventions to be created
  208. # [05:57] <tantek> nah, the convention is just use <table> <tr> <th> <td> as simple as you possibly can
  209. # [05:57] <MikeSmith> as they have done for most other SEO jacking
  210. # [05:57] <tantek> *simply*
  211. # [05:57] <MikeSmith> ok
  212. # [05:58] <tantek> that's all I did!
  213. # [05:58] <MikeSmith> well that's nice then
  214. # [05:58] <tantek> and it "worked"
  215. # [05:58] <tantek> right
  216. # [05:58] <MikeSmith> that's how it should be
  217. # [05:58] <tantek> I'm tempted to document it myself just to try to force the issue
  218. # [05:58] <tantek> as an "SEO" technique
  219. # [05:59] <MikeSmith> tantek: hey they don't do the same thing for <dl> lists?
  220. # [05:59] <tantek> they might - I haven't seen an example of them doing anything like that for <dl> lists
  221. # [05:59] <MikeSmith> yeah "SEO" is the stinkbait
  222. # [06:00] <tantek> sorry, "search engine marketing" ;)
  223. # [06:01] <MikeSmith> tantek: so that suggests the technique of making content more AT-friendly by using <dl> lists instead of tables is not good if you want the search-engine juice
  224. # [06:02] <tantek> well who knows what *other* juice you'd be giving up
  225. # [06:03] <tantek> <dl>s aren't right for multiple (>2) columns anyway)
  226. # [06:03] <tantek> however, Google does have some odd "definition" logic
  227. # [06:03] <tantek> e.g. https://www.google.com/search?q=floorcraft+definition
  228. # [06:03] <tantek> click the tiny "More Info" under the big white definition box
  229. # [06:04] <tantek> note the two results
  230. # [06:04] <tantek> common pattern:
  231. # [06:04] <tantek> <p><b>floorcraft</b> - … </p>
  232. # [06:04] <tantek> rather than <dl><dt> …. </dt><dd>…</dd> </dl>
  233. # [06:05] <tantek> g2g
  234. # [06:05] <tantek> talk more laters!
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  236. # [06:08] <MikeSmith> cheers
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  256. # [07:59] <MikeSmith> Cray Computer joined the W3C
  257. # [08:02] <othermaciej> neat, though kind of retro
  258. # [08:02] <othermaciej> is Atari joining next?
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  261. # [08:07] <MikeSmith> heh
  262. # [08:08] <MikeSmith> somebody should restart an Atari brand
  263. # [08:09] <MikeSmith> Cray now does "Big Data relationship analytics"
  264. # [08:09] <MikeSmith> whatever that is
  265. # [08:09] <MikeSmith> sounds pretty fishy to me
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  267. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> anyway Cray is apparently still the big boy on the block
  268. # [08:11] <MikeSmith> https://twitter.com/billschrier/status/268221191163105281
  269. # [08:12] <MikeSmith> "Seattle's @Cray_Inc now has the world's fastest supercomputer at 17.59 petaflops, beating Chinese and others @PSBJ - http://ow.ly/feTc4"
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  274. # [08:26] <MikeSmith> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
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  278. # [08:35] <othermaciej> "Big Data relationship analytics" -- that shit cray
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  281. # [08:39] <MikeSmith> hah
  282. # [08:39] <MikeSmith> good un
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  290. # [08:51] <zcorpan> i find myself mostly agreeing with http://24ways.org/2012/responsive-images-what-we-thought-we-needed/
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  339. # [11:01] <annevk_> At some point we need to properly discuss and address the whether or not attributes are ordered question. Anyone suggestions for how to go about that?
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  341. # [11:03] <Ms2ger> They're ordered.
  342. # [11:03] <Ms2ger> :)
  343. # [11:04] <annevk> Agreed, what's the order?
  344. # [11:04] <annevk> Document-order and then set order?
  345. # [11:04] <jgraham> That sounds likely
  346. # [11:04] <annevk> hsivonen: ^^
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  348. # [11:05] <hasather> annevk: Yes. That would be nice from an editing point of view too (devtools)
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  350. # [11:06] <annevk> hasather: "perfect" editors are more complicated though, they'd also preserve inter-attribute whitespace and such
  351. # [11:07] <hasather> annevk: I was referring to the attribute not jumping somewhere else when you add it, which could be confusing
  352. # [11:09] <annevk> ah yeah
  353. # [11:10] <odinho> So all is well and shiny. Everyone happy.
  354. # [11:11] <Ms2ger> odinho, hey, did you guys fix my bug from yesterday already? :)
  355. # [11:13] <odinho> Ms2ger: Noone has jumped on it as a "OH MY WE'RE TOTALLY BREAKING THE WEB LETS FIX ASAP" yet, no :]
  356. # [11:15] <odinho> Ms2ger: I'd do it myself if I didn't really have too much to do already. Not to say anything I could possibly be doing could be more important than lowercasing too many weird characters in createElement, but well - I shouldn't continue starting on new things. ^_^
  357. # [11:17] <annevk> That is actually worth fixing to crush the idiotic notion that simple identifiers should use anything other than case-sensitive or ASCII case-insensitive
  358. # [11:20] <odinho> It's def. worth fixing at one point, and probably quite easy. But I won't do it right now.
  359. # [11:20] <odinho> Watching it though, so I'll know if someone else does.
  360. # [11:23] <hsivonen> annevk: why do we need to overspec attribute order
  361. # [11:23] <hsivonen> ?
  362. # [11:24] <hsivonen> annevk: IE has done fine with a seemingly random attribute order
  363. # [11:24] <annevk> hsivonen: because DOM methods depend on the order
  364. # [11:24] <hsivonen> annevk: for example?
  365. # [11:24] <annevk> hsivonen: getAttribute()
  366. # [11:24] <hsivonen> annevk: xmlns crap?
  367. # [11:24] <annevk> hsivonen: yes
  368. # [11:24] <hsivonen> sigh
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  370. # [11:25] <hsivonen> is it a Real Problem?
  371. # [11:26] <Ms2ger> odinho, if you've got someone else with copious free time I can pester... ;)
  372. # [11:26] <annevk> per the JavaScript guys, Maps are either ordered or random
  373. # [11:26] <annevk> they made theirs ordered, we could make the attribute map random I suppose
  374. # [11:27] <annevk> but I'm not sure that's better
  375. # [11:27] <hsivonen> I’m not convinced that constraining implementations by requiring a certain order is a good idea.
  376. # [11:28] <hsivonen> but attribute storage isn’t really my area
  377. # [11:28] <hsivonen> more like bz’s thing
  378. # [11:28] <annevk> well "order" is exposed via innerHTML, ele.attributes, getAttribute()
  379. # [11:29] <hsivonen> annevk: do WebKit and Presto always maintain order? Trident and Gecko don’t.
  380. # [11:29] <hsivonen> though Gecko might seem to most of the time.
  381. # [11:30] <hsivonen> annevk: does the getAttribute() thing ever get exposed for HTML parser-generated nodes?
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  383. # [11:30] <hsivonen> lang vs. xml:lang on SVG nodes?
  384. # [11:30] <annevk> I'm not sure, but it only being random some of the time seems annoying
  385. # [11:30] <annevk> hsivonen: yeah, that'd be an example
  386. # [11:30] <annevk> hsivonen: actually no, that'd would work okay
  387. # [11:31] <hsivonen> well, Gecko’s unordering cases have to do with attributes that are CSS presentational hints, IIRC
  388. # [11:31] <annevk> hsivonen: getAttribute() takes a qualified name
  389. # [11:31] <annevk> hsivonen: so you'd hit problems with two namespaced attributes
  390. # [11:31] <hsivonen> annevk: I’m going to call this theoretical inelegance for the time being and not a Real Problem
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  392. # [11:33] <annevk> feel free to reopen the bug; I'd appreciate some kind of suggestion of what the spec should say instead then
  393. # [11:34] <zcorpan> it seems more likely that sites rely on what innerHTML returns when there are presentational attributes than what getAttributes returns when there are namespaced attributes with the same name
  394. # [11:35] <zcorpan> or attributes[index]
  395. # [11:36] <hsivonen> annevk: I CCed bz on the bug
  396. # [11:37] <annevk> thanks
  397. # [11:37] <zcorpan> nevertheless, we usually require something instead of leaving it undefined even if there's no known example of sites breaking because of the lack of being defined, so that we don't have to spec whatever content ends up relying on in a few years
  398. # [11:38] <hsivonen> I wonder if IE’s hash function is a well-known one that could be identified by throwing enough data at it as a black box
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  400. # [11:42] <zcorpan> exactly. :-) i'd rather IE implemented ordered attributes than having to reverse engineer their order when finding a site that relies on IE's order
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  406. # [12:11] <SimonSapin> Twitter doesn’t like @ in URLs :/
  407. # [12:14] <zcorpan> how do people sign up to contribute to http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:error_stack ?
  408. # [12:15] <jgraham> You might need to be in TC39?
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  410. # [12:16] <annevk> so you have objects and such and expose the stack trace as a formatted string?
  411. # [12:16] <annevk> is there a reason for that?
  412. # [12:17] <zcorpan> maybe https://github.com/jsfixed/jsfixed is a better venue for feedback without joining
  413. # [12:17] <jgraham> "Having the stack be a string that has to be manually parsed is really silly. However, Safari tried to return an array of stuff and it turned out that it broke things. We could provide an alternative API to extract relevant details but at this point we should strive to make implementations compatible."
  414. # [12:18] <jgraham> Which is pretty enlightened behaviour for TC39
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  416. # [12:19] <zcorpan> having just the same string in all browsers seems like a huge improvement over the current situation
  417. # [12:19] <annevk> ta jgraham
  418. # [12:23] <Stevef> darobin: ping me if there are any publication issues with https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-extensions/raw-file/tip/maincontent/index.html
  419. # [12:30] <hsivonen> annevk, jgraham: OK if I upload <main> tests to the html5lib test suite if I put them in a separate file?
  420. # [12:33] <annevk> sure
  421. # [12:33] <jgraham> Yup
  422. # [12:35] <hsivonen> thanks
  423. # [12:36] <darobin> Stevef: cheers, will do
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  430. # [13:07] <zcorpan> darobin: why waste time with votes about naming instead of just one person picking arbitrary names and stick to that?
  431. # [13:07] <darobin> zcorpan: I'd be delighted with that model, but you back to the issue of picking the person
  432. # [13:08] <zcorpan> darobin: i pick you :-)
  433. # [13:08] <darobin> zcorpan: haha, thanks — the names for the branches are therefore set to be "unicorn" and "dahut"
  434. # [13:08] <darobin> that was easy
  435. # [13:09] <zcorpan> excellent. glad we could settle this
  436. # [13:09] <darobin> when there's an editor the logical choice is to just leave it up to the editor; failing that it could be the chair, but in this case he's one of the proponents of an option that's not making people happy...
  437. # [13:10] <darobin> I guess we could just nominate a test suite editor
  438. # [13:10] <jgraham> I think having a vote is silly, but I also think that having non-default names for the master branch is silly
  439. # [13:10] <darobin> zcorpan! I hear you have plenty of time going spare.
  440. # [13:11] <darobin> jgraham: I think the whole thing is silly; hence my proposal to use whatever silly means to get the fuck over it
  441. # [13:11] <zcorpan> darobin: you misunderstand. i wanted to *not* spend time on this
  442. # [13:12] <jgraham> I don't think anyone disagrees that it's silly, just on exactly what is silly
  443. # [13:12] <darobin> I wish I had a device to send <blink style='font-size: 100vh; color: red'>JFDI</blink> to arbitrary people's screens
  444. # [13:12] <jgraham> So far the only proponent of the non-master-master is kris
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  446. # [13:13] <jgraham> and he is also against git and github
  447. # [13:13] <jgraham> So we apparently aren't letting him block us in general
  448. # [13:13] <darobin> indeed
  449. # [13:14] <jgraham> I haven't even heard a single reason for favouring non-default names
  450. # [13:14] <zcorpan> should we register his objection and show it to the Director when we transition to CR (never?)?
  451. # [13:14] <darobin> lol
  452. # [13:15] <darobin> I reckon that we can just wait until next Tuesday and simply all argue in the same direction there
  453. # [13:15] <darobin> then call it a day and move on
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  456. # [13:25] <hsivonen> btw, what’s the current status of ffmpeg vs. libav?
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  598. # [20:20] <rillian> hsivonen: I don't think ffmpeg vs libav has changed much since earlier this year
  599. # [20:21] <rillian> they're still parallel forks
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  611. # [21:15] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: If you want to give feedback on es stuff, just join es-discuss@mozilla.org
  612. # [21:15] <TabAtkins> That's the official mailing list, and you don't have to be a tc39 member to contribute there.
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  634. # [21:34] <jwalden> what's one more mailing list among frenemies?
  635. # [21:34] <jwalden> ;-)
  636. # [21:35] <TabAtkins> It's somewhere between www-style and webapps in noise.
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  638. # [21:35] <TabAtkins> Which does put it over the OMG level for most people, granted.
  639. # [21:36] <Ms2ger> Do they have fun process discussions?
  640. # [21:36] <jwalden> haha
  641. # [21:36] <TabAtkins> Rarely.
  642. # [21:36] <Ms2ger> I'll stay on webapps, then
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  644. # [21:36] <jwalden> lots of propellerhead discussions, I think :-)
  645. # [21:36] <TabAtkins> They're pretty strongly behind the "champion" model, which is easy to work with.
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  647. # [21:36] <jwalden> language weenies, good people
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