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  7. # [00:17] <Hixie> hsivonen: ping on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17869
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  36. # [01:07] <dbaron> Hixie, I think the <ruby> edit you just made is wrong; see my reply to whatwg@whatwg.org
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  39. # [01:09] <Hixie> dbaron: isn't the <rt> a block container?
  40. # [01:10] <dbaron> I sure hope not
  41. # [01:10] <Hixie> huh
  42. # [01:10] <dbaron> ruby elements should all be basically inline
  43. # [01:10] <dbaron> behaving a lot like display:inline
  44. # [01:10] <Hixie> sure but the annotation is its own inline block like thing, no?
  45. # [01:11] <Hixie> i guess we can't really say one way or the other since there's no real spec for this currnetly
  46. # [01:12] <dbaron> it shouldn't support 'width', and it participates in inline layout and breaking for its container, so I think it has to be inline
  47. # [01:12] <dbaron> maybe run it by fantasai, though
  48. # [01:12] <Hixie> fair enough
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  50. # [01:14] <Hixie> dbaron: btw you asked a while back for specific notification of changes relating to CSS, my plan is to make CSS a subscribable topic in the system you used to get that notification e-mail
  51. # [01:14] <dbaron> Hixie, ok, sounds great
  52. # [01:14] <Hixie> dbaron: haven't made any CSS feature changes (as opposed to rendering changes, which are already covered by the Rendering topic) since, though, hence it not being done yet
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  56. # [01:21] <Hixie> woops
  57. # [01:22] * Hixie checked in an unrelated change with that revert
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  59. # [01:25] <a-ja> dbaron: is there bug filed for the recent sections/headings additions?
  60. # [01:25] <dbaron> a-ja, eh?
  61. # [01:26] <a-ja> um...lemme find it
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  64. # [01:29] <a-ja> dbaron: new stuff in 2nd figure at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/rendering.html#sections-and-headings
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  249. # [12:22] <annevk> SimonSapin: http://annevankesteren.nl/2013/03/zero
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  252. # [12:36] <SimonSapin> annevk, zcorpan: some people apparently freak out as soon as you say "public domain". How about trying and tweaking the W3C license to allow specific use cases we care about?
  253. # [12:36] <jgraham> SimonSapin: We tried that
  254. # [12:36] <jgraham> Or rather
  255. # [12:37] <jgraham> We tried the MIT license
  256. # [12:37] <jgraham> Which IMHO is a fine choice
  257. # [12:37] <jgraham> W3C freaked out
  258. # [12:37] <SimonSapin> jgraham: how did it go?
  259. # [12:37] <annevk> I could live with MIT, but I much prefer CC0
  260. # [12:37] <annevk> attribution is such a nuisance
  261. # [12:38] <annevk> SimonSapin: just say CC0
  262. # [12:38] <jgraham> I guess karlcow will complain at me later if I don't point out that the *Members* freaked out
  263. # [12:39] <SimonSapin> annevk: we can try that, but I’m not sure it’ll be much better
  264. # [12:40] <jgraham> I dont' really see why CC0 is better than MIT
  265. # [12:41] <jgraham> But of course I am happy with either
  266. # [12:41] <annevk> jgraham: MIT requires attribution
  267. # [12:42] <jgraham> I don't think requiring attribution is a big deal
  268. # [12:43] <SimonSapin> I wonder if I should make use of being in the AC / representing a Member while I still am, to push this kind of stuff.
  269. # [12:43] <SimonSapin> (I haven’t "announced" it yet but it’s not really secret anymore at this point. I’m leaving Kozea and joining Mozilla in May.)
  270. # [12:43] <annevk> SimonSapin: CC0 addresses the concerns raised on your private list
  271. # [12:44] <annevk> jgraham: I didn't say it was a big deal
  272. # [12:44] <SimonSapin> annevk: I agree CC0 would be great, but given the resistance we’ve seen yesterday I don’t see it happening :/
  273. # [12:45] <annevk> If you think that's the resistance you haven't really seen much yet :-)
  274. # [12:45] <annevk> Also, their concern is that it's not okay per W3C rules, not that it's not okay per se...
  275. # [12:47] <SimonSapin> well I got private responses too, and I also say this given it’s been tried before
  276. # [12:48] <annevk> Well, "tried"... I don't think the W3C ever gave it a fair shot
  277. # [12:48] <annevk> Some of W3C legal are very much against
  278. # [12:59] <SimonSapin> So, to approach this I’d say: start with practical issues to solve (as you did in today’s blog post, annevk), emphasize this is compatible with the patent policy (at least I hope it is), emphasize this is following the rules in order to try and change them, only then propose CC0 or MIT as a possible solution.
  279. # [12:59] <SimonSapin> The idea is to preemptively defuse responses like "Not gonna happen because XYZ."
  280. # [13:00] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, welcome already :)
  281. # [13:02] <karlcow> annevk: "Standards should be resuable"
  282. # [13:03] * Ms2ger loves re-suing
  283. # [13:04] <annevk> karlcow: fixed
  284. # [13:05] <Ms2ger> On another note
  285. # [13:05] <Ms2ger> darobin++
  286. # [13:06] <annevk> SimonSapin: sounds good
  287. # [13:06] <darobin> what did I do wrong this time?
  288. # [13:07] <Ms2ger> darobin, the repo move
  289. # [13:07] <karlcow> I wonder how it went http://projects.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review/2012-February/000092.html
  290. # [13:07] <darobin> jgraham: it would be fairer to say that a few members freaked out
  291. # [13:07] <karlcow> long thread http://projects.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review/2012-February/thread.html#92
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  293. # [13:07] <darobin> Ms2ger: oh, that's yesterday's news :)
  294. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  295. # [13:08] <jgraham> darobin: Enough members freaked out
  296. # [13:08] <SimonSapin> http://opensource.org/faq#cc-zero says "not recommend"
  297. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, do they list the W3C document license? ;)
  298. # [13:09] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: yes: http://opensource.org/licenses/W3C
  299. # [13:09] <SimonSapin> whatever that means
  300. # [13:09] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Notice it says "software"
  301. # [13:09] <SimonSapin> oh yeah
  302. # [13:09] <SimonSapin> that’s a different license from the Document one, right?
  303. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> Yep
  304. # [13:10] <SimonSapin> looks like OSI is about software?
  305. # [13:10] <marcosc> hmm...
  306. # [13:10] <jgraham> (I actulaly menat in the CC0 FAQ entry, but yeah, that too)
  307. # [13:10] <karlcow> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-20021231#Copyright
  308. # [13:10] <marcosc> I didn't know about the fallback
  309. # [13:10] <karlcow> Documents: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
  310. # [13:11] <SimonSapin> jgraham: indeed
  311. # [13:11] <karlcow> Softwares: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231
  312. # [13:11] <darobin> SimonSapin: if you want to reopen discussion on the open license with the AC, I encourage you to
  313. # [13:11] <darobin> and don't hesitate to ping me first to coordinate — there is support to be found
  314. # [13:11] <SimonSapin> darobin: is ac-forum the right place?
  315. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> darobin, oh dear, what has the guy done to you?
  316. # [13:12] <darobin> SimonSapin: yes, but it might be best if we sync up first
  317. # [13:12] <SimonSapin> sure
  318. # [13:12] <darobin> Ms2ger: the Force is strong with this one
  319. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> darobin, strong enough?
  320. # [13:12] <SimonSapin> well, I’m not sure I really want to get into this, but …
  321. # [13:12] <darobin> Ms2ger: find out we must
  322. # [13:13] <karlcow> never give up the fight
  323. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, http://images.cryhavok.org/d/3385-2/its-dangerous-to-go-alone-take-this.jpg
  324. # [13:17] <annevk> SimonSapin: fwiw, in addition to CC0 the specs disclaim patent stuff to cover the party they don't like
  325. # [13:17] <annevk> s/party/part/
  326. # [13:21] <annevk> I don't understand one bit of how HTTP auth works.
  327. # [13:21] <annevk> I have this in a .htaccess:
  328. # [13:21] <annevk> RewriteEngine on
  329. # [13:21] <annevk> RewriteRule test.php test.php [E=REMOTE_USER:%{HTTP:Authorization},L]
  330. # [13:22] <annevk> in the same directory I have an HTML file for which I get a 403 when I try to open it
  331. # [13:22] <annevk> how does that even make sense?
  332. # [13:24] <darobin> oh, Apache
  333. # [13:24] <darobin> Apache never makes sense
  334. # [13:24] <annevk> oh permissions
  335. # [13:25] <annevk> my fault this time
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  339. # [13:28] <SimonSapin> annevk: sorry, what about patents?
  340. # [13:29] <annevk> zewt: so IE/Chrome/Firefox/Safari prompt if the request originates from XHR
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  342. # [13:30] <annevk> zewt: the same happens for <img>
  343. # [13:31] <annevk> SimonSapin: see header of specs
  344. # [13:33] <annevk> even <script>
  345. # [13:33] <annevk> browsers are crazy
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  347. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> You must be new here
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  349. # [13:33] <annevk> here longer than you, punk
  350. # [13:36] <annevk> I guess the next thing is cross-origin auth
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  357. # [13:52] <annevk> Okay, so fetch happens, the user agent evaluates the response, prompts the user synchronously and then either issues a new request including the Authorization header or continues fetching?
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  359. # [13:53] <annevk> shit is weird
  360. # [13:53] <annevk> I wonder if you post a large blob if it's posted twice
  361. # [13:53] <annevk> prolly is
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  381. # [14:39] <zewt> annevk: post requests by definition are never supposed to be sent twice, right?
  382. # [14:39] <annevk> zewt: if the response is a 307 I don't think that's true
  383. # [14:40] <zewt> that's what 100 Continue is for, iirc
  384. # [14:40] <annevk> no
  385. # [14:40] <zewt> been a while since i've messed with that though
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  387. # [14:40] <annevk> I think that rule only applies if the server responded with a 2xx code
  388. # [14:42] <zewt> i guess the client has to explicitly say that it wants a 100 (the Expect header), and since you don't know in advance if there will be an auth error, nobody will want to use it (since it adds a round-trip delay)
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  390. # [14:43] <zewt> confused at people talking about "Future" on the event handler thread as if it's a thing that exists
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  393. # [14:44] <Ms2ger> zewt, it will in the future, apparently
  394. # [14:44] * Ms2ger ducks
  395. # [14:44] <zewt> hopefully that's recursive and it'll always be in the future
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  397. # [14:44] <zewt> because it's so ugly and out of place and nothing like any API on the platform
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  399. # [14:47] <zewt> annevk: fwiw, the user only needs to be prompted synchronously if the fetch is synchronous ... i wonder if browsers do that prompting if the fetch is in a worker
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  401. # [14:49] <annevk> hmm, if XHR defines a timeout, will the prompt just go away?
  402. # [14:49] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: something broke? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/rev/747f5eb0c352
  403. # [14:49] <zewt> worse, in a shared worker, which isn't associated with a specific window (or, once shared workers support cross-origin use, even the same origin)
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  405. # [14:49] <annevk> yeah if there's no browsing context HTTP auth should just not work
  406. # [14:50] <zewt> that sounds implementation-specific (re timeout)
  407. # [14:50] <annevk> of course that's not actually defined and importScript might very well do something
  408. # [14:50] <annevk> it shouldn't be
  409. # [14:50] <annevk> wow, HTTP auth is so full of hurt
  410. # [14:50] <zewt> whether the UI is closed should be (what happens if they do decide to do that shouldn't be)
  411. # [14:50] <zcorpan> why is importScripts under "also has obsolete members" in the spec?
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  413. # [14:51] <annevk> zcorpan: is it?
  414. # [14:51] <zcorpan> i got 500. but now it seems to work
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  416. # [14:52] <zewt> doesn't seem to be
  417. # [14:52] <zcorpan> except my last change doesn't seem to be synced on w3c-test.org. http://w3c-test.org/webapps/Workers/tests/submissions/Opera/constructors/Worker/ctor-undefined.html should have one test
  418. # [14:52] <annevk> zcorpan: oh it is, I think Hixie introduced that as a mistake
  419. # [14:52] <annevk> zcorpan: by mistake*
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  421. # [14:52] <annevk> zcorpan: when he changed it into a partial interface
  422. # [14:52] <zcorpan> annevk: is it known or should i file a bug?
  423. # [14:52] <annevk> zcorpan: file
  424. # [14:53] <zewt> where's that? the idl in 9.3 doesn't say that
  425. # [14:53] <zcorpan> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/workers.html#workerglobalscope does
  426. # [14:54] <zewt> oh that
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  428. # [14:57] <zcorpan> annevk: does "unsupported:" as a url resolve or not per spec?
  429. # [15:00] <zcorpan> annevk: scheme data state doesn't say what to do when it gets EOF, i think
  430. # [15:01] <annevk> zcorpan: it avoids handling EOF and therefore the loop ends at the next turn
  431. # [15:01] <annevk> zcorpan: seems covered
  432. # [15:01] <zcorpan> ok
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  434. # [15:08] <zcorpan> ironic that a non-breaking space breaks the test (when interpreted with the wrong encoding)
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  436. # [15:18] <darobin> if something goes to the trouble of calling itself "non-breaking" you know it's up to no good
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  440. # [15:30] <Ms2ger> annevk, HTML doesn't use MIT, does it?
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  442. # [15:31] <annevk> ta
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  445. # [15:36] <zewt> zcorpan: usually the way i end up with weird literal nbsps in code is due to copying from mdn, heh
  446. # [15:36] <zewt> browsers really should fold those to regular spaces on copy
  447. # [15:36] <zcorpan> i thought they did
  448. # [15:37] <zewt> maybe some do, at least one of firefox and chrome doesn't though
  449. # [15:38] <zewt> speaking of which, i should see if there's a firefox option to disable copying as html, that bites me constantly when pasting into gmail...
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  451. # [15:41] <zewt> i guess this is one of those ungooglable things, since everything related to disabling copying html is people asking how to restrict users from copying, heh
  452. # [15:49] <zcorpan> can't you change gmail to plain text only?
  453. # [15:49] <zewt> i don't want plain text only, i just don't want weird formatting every time i paste text, heh
  454. # [15:50] <zewt> apparently control-shift-v in firefox pastes without formatting (would prefer to just never have it copied in the first place, heh)
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  459. # [15:55] <zcorpan> http://w3c-test.org/webapps/Workers/tests/submissions/Opera/interfaces/WorkerUtils/importScripts/004.html says e is not defined. i don't understand why not
  460. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> } catch(ex) {
  461. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> if (e instanceof SyntaxError)
  462. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> This one?
  463. # [15:56] <jgraham> That's what I was going to say :)
  464. # [15:57] <annevk> hmm so cross-origin XHR actually does something else than <img> or <script> for HTTP auth
  465. # [15:57] <annevk> I wish I'd seen the implications back then
  466. # [15:57] <annevk> well actually, mode = CORS just means no HTTP auth
  467. # [15:58] <annevk> well, unless the request is same-origin to begin with of course
  468. # [15:58] <zcorpan> ah, thanks
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  473. # [16:12] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: looking at that link now
  474. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> not seeing any breakage
  475. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> maybe darobin restarted the server already?
  476. # [16:13] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: i get a 500 response sometimes when pushing
  477. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> ok
  478. # [16:13] <zcorpan> but it goes through anyway so maybe it's fine
  479. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> I'll just go ahead and restart the server
  480. # [16:14] <SimonSapin> \o/ First publication! http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css3-page-20130314/
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  482. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> nice
  483. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: congrats
  484. # [16:15] <darobin> huwah?
  485. # [16:15] <darobin> oh, dvcs
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  487. # [16:15] <darobin> MikeSmith: go back to vacation man!
  488. # [16:16] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: oh I see you've aligned yourself with the Haakon paged-media faction. Good man.
  489. # [16:16] <darobin> wait, why is zcorpan putting tests in dvcs?
  490. # [16:16] <darobin> zcorpan! go put your tests in the shiny new github repo for everyone!
  491. # [16:17] <zcorpan> darobin: i thought webapps was still using it
  492. # [16:17] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: faction?
  493. # [16:17] <MikeSmith> darobin: I will! morning here and my girlfriend is getting ready so I got a short window of opportunity for following up on IRC pings before we head out for the day
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  495. # [16:17] <darobin> doesn't webapps do whatever we're doing?
  496. # [16:17] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: Haakon vs the party leaders
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  498. # [16:17] <darobin> MikeSmith: ok, say hi to her then :)
  499. # [16:18] <darobin> zcorpan: let me go bug Art about that
  500. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> SimonSapin: just joking. Was alluding to the exchange between Haakon on glazou and Peter a couple weeks back
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  502. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> darobin: will do
  503. # [16:19] <darobin> "the exchange"
  504. # [16:19] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: well, Håkon is officially an editor but he has not touched css3-page since before I knew what Working Group is. As to GCPM, I think most of it should be dropped and the rest needs a lot of work
  505. # [16:19] <darobin> (of variegated ordnance)
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  511. # [16:29] <zcorpan> http://w3c-test.org/webapps/Workers/tests/submissions/Opera/semantics/navigation/001.html fails in opera but the old version passes. :-/
  512. # [16:32] <jgraham> Do you have the arguments to assert_greater_than the right way around?
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  515. # [16:32] <annevk> FWIW, all browsers prompt for importScripts running into HTTP auth
  516. # [16:32] <annevk> or new Worker() running into HTTP auth
  517. # [16:35] <zcorpan> jgraham: yes
  518. # [16:35] <annevk> SharedWorker() prompts too in Chrome
  519. # [16:35] <annevk> and Safari
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  525. # [16:38] <zcorpan> hmm. increasing the inner timeout makes it pass
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  527. # [16:42] <annevk> hmm, if you set www-authenticate as a header, does PHP really do magic to override the status code?
  528. # [16:43] <annevk> man
  529. # [16:47] <jgraham> Well
  530. # [16:47] <zcorpan> yay, workers done
  531. # [16:47] <jgraham> You are using PHP
  532. # [16:47] <jgraham> zcorpan: Nice
  533. # [16:48] <annevk> jgraham: sure, but this kind of low-level stuff is equally annoying in any language
  534. # [16:48] <annevk> jgraham: maybe not node.js so much, but that doesn't run by default on DreamHost
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  536. # [16:49] <jgraham> annevk: Hmm? Other langauges typically don't have HTTP baked in at the language layer
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  541. # [16:51] <annevk> there's a way to override it btw using header(headernameandvalue, true, status)
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  543. # [16:53] <annevk> jgraham: Python has the same thing if you do the simple CGI thing
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  549. # [17:03] <gsnedders> annevk: For HTTP stuff I basically concluded the only sane way was to have a custom server that sent exactly the response you gave it.
  550. # [17:03] <gsnedders> Response line and all.
  551. # [17:03] <jgraham> You could use mod_asis and apache ont he w3c server, perhaps
  552. # [17:06] <zcorpan> annevk: i'm having trouble finding a cssom commit from you that has cc0
  553. # [17:06] <annevk> zcorpan: I suspect my stuff is in http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/csswg/cssom/Attic/
  554. # [17:07] <annevk> gsnedders: yeah, pretty much, though I think given what the inspectors gave me think I got away with PHP this time
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  556. # [17:10] <zcorpan> annevk: still...
  557. # [17:10] <darobin> annevk: you can run node on heroku and other things like that
  558. # [17:10] <darobin> it's a smart thing actually that php sets the status if you use an auth header, unless you're writing tests it's what you want
  559. # [17:11] <darobin> but for testing, you need to work on the metal, so node would certainly be a better choice imho
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  561. # [17:11] <darobin> (or something like it)
  562. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> http://25.media.tumblr.com/14b031162e22a6f909bd43337e79260c/tumblr_mjm4rqmxOv1rmq849o1_400.jpg
  563. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> Neat.
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  565. # [17:12] <annevk> zcorpan: yeah dunno
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  570. # [17:17] <annevk> zcorpan: if glenn removed it, it must have been in there somehow
  571. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Flawless logic
  572. # [17:17] <annevk> did Anolis generate it maybe?
  573. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> I doubt it
  574. # [17:18] <zcorpan> annevk: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/cssom/rev/74784effb4e3
  575. # [17:18] <annevk> so Glenn put it under CC0?
  576. # [17:18] <zcorpan> looks like it
  577. # [17:19] <annevk> wfm
  578. # [17:19] <zcorpan> but doing so isn't allowed by the document license
  579. # [17:20] <zcorpan> so there isn't anything "clean" to start from, i think
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  585. # [17:28] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
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  592. # [17:44] <SteveF> dglazkov: forgotten the stuff i wrote about web components + ARIA thanks for the reminder :-)
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  609. # [18:22] <annevk> HTTP Authentication: not secure; imposes bogus UI; makes the fetching model complicated
  610. # [18:22] <annevk> ...
  611. # [18:23] <annevk> hahaha
  612. # [18:23] <annevk> for Digest they recommend that the realm includes the host requesting the authentication
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  620. # [18:29] <dglazkov> SteveF: np
  621. # [18:31] <annevk> now whenever someone says HTTP Authentication I'll just laugh for a while
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  659. # [19:41] <jwalden> tc39 sometimes has a tendency to go for big large solutions over smaller ones, I think
  660. # [19:41] <jwalden> e.g. es4
  661. # [19:42] <hober> abarth is stopping by tc39 today to have this argument in person
  662. # [19:42] <hober> sadly there's no popcorn here
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  666. # [19:49] <jwalden> :-)
  667. # [19:49] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: thanks for the support
  668. # [19:50] <jwalden> aside from E4X being a disaster of a spec, and in a few cases doing too much, mostly I think it did about the amount that's desirable
  669. # [19:50] <jwalden> trying to solve everything -- URL syntax checking, event handler checking, arbitrary format checking -- seems a bit much to me
  670. # [19:51] * zcorpan wonders why https://twitter.com/w3cmemes/status/312259499224354816
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  672. # [19:51] <jwalden> which is not to say that I like or dislike E4H, haven't looked, although I'm likely super-leery of anything here given previous third-degree burn experience with E4X
  673. # [19:52] <hober> zcorpan: I imagine that is due to http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/03/drm_and_the_open_web.html
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  683. # [20:16] <TabAtkins> zcorpan: I've been planning to do my own specs co-published for a while now, but haven't gotten around to it. I'll actually do so now. ^_^
  684. # [20:16] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: nice
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  686. # [20:18] <TabAtkins> jwalden: Agree. Hixie's idea of e4h more or less works, and is really simple.
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  689. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, ArtB requesting your attention in W3C/#testing
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  693. # [20:33] <zcorpan> cssom is still generated using anolis
  694. # [20:34] <zcorpan> glenn just added a preprocessor and changed the source format to be idl with html in it instead of html with idl in it
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