/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2013-05-08 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Wed May 08 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:08] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123) (Quit: The computer fell asleep)
  4. # [00:08] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123)
  5. # [00:09] <gsnedders> ambv: Is there any decent way to "increment" a string in Python? Like, treating it as a base 0x110000 number? So "a\x00" became "a\x01" and "a\U0010FFFF" became "b\x00"?
  6. # [00:10] * Quits: zagamqt (~zagam@81-230-17-139-no148.bredband.skanova.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  7. # [00:10] <gsnedders> Well, base sys.maxunicode + 1
  8. # [00:11] * Joins: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-134.net-89-2-126.rev.numericable.fr)
  9. # [00:11] * Quits: kochi_home (~kochi_hom@FL1-118-109-238-83.kng.mesh.ad.jp) (Remote host closed the connection)
  10. # [00:13] * Joins: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.162.176)
  11. # [00:13] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  12. # [00:13] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  13. # [00:14] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123)
  14. # [00:16] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com) (Quit: Be back later)
  15. # [00:17] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  16. # [00:18] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  17. # [00:19] <jsbell> gsnedders: I had to implement that in JS last week, oddly enough.
  18. # [00:20] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  19. # [00:20] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  20. # [00:20] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  21. # [00:21] <ambv> gsnedders:
  22. # [00:21] <ambv> >>> import struct
  23. # [00:21] <ambv> >>> b = b'a\x00'
  24. # [00:21] <ambv> >>> new_value = struct.unpack('>q', b.rjust(8, b'\x00'))[0] + 1
  25. # [00:21] <ambv> >>> struct.pack('>q', new_value).lstrip(b'\x00')
  26. # [00:21] <ambv> b'a\x01'
  27. # [00:22] * Quits: nessy1 (~silviapf@124-149-162-142.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Quit: Leaving.)
  28. # [00:23] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  29. # [00:23] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Remote host closed the connection)
  30. # [00:23] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Remote host closed the connection)
  31. # [00:24] <gsnedders> ambv: But for Unicode strings?
  32. # [00:24] <gsnedders> Easy in the narrow build case, but wide builds not so much.
  33. # [00:25] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.155.69) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  34. # [00:26] <ambv> Let me see but I don' see any method right away.
  35. # [00:27] <ambv> You'd have to find a custom encoding that lends well to bitwise incrementing. Or increment by hand :/
  36. # [00:28] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  37. # [00:30] <gsnedders> jsbell: Come up with anything nice?
  38. # [00:30] <jsbell> my lame JS approach: https://gist.github.com/inexorabletash/5462871 (note: JS has only 16-bit strings)
  39. # [00:30] <gsnedders> jsbell: Yeah, JS makes it easy by having a nice round number of bits. :(
  40. # [00:33] <jsbell> (for the record, it's only used in the context of lexicographical compares of 16-bit code unit sequences, so I can pretend UTF-16 surrogate pairs don't exist)
  41. # [00:36] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.155.69)
  42. # [00:36] <GPHemsley> MikeSmith: Just forwarded you an e-mail about GitHub. You need to authorize a change to your local platforms.html5.org repo.
  43. # [00:36] * Joins: Jedi_ (~Jedi@jedi.org)
  44. # [00:41] * Joins: kochi_home (~kochi_hom@FL1-118-109-238-83.kng.mesh.ad.jp)
  45. # [00:41] * Quits: kochi_home (~kochi_hom@FL1-118-109-238-83.kng.mesh.ad.jp) (Remote host closed the connection)
  46. # [00:41] * Joins: kochi_home (~kochi_hom@FL1-118-109-238-83.kng.mesh.ad.jp)
  47. # [00:45] <gsnedders> ambv: Can you rebase/push #49? (Don't use GitHub's PR merge, because needless merge commits.)
  48. # [00:46] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.155.69) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  49. # [00:46] <ambv> sure
  50. # [00:47] <gsnedders> ambv: Basically, once review accepted and provided Travis passes, go rebase and push yourself from now on.
  51. # [00:50] <GPHemsley> FTW, mimesniff is now a "normal" repository, rather than a fork
  52. # [00:54] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  53. # [00:55] * Quits: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.71.136.getinternet.no) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  54. # [00:56] <GPHemsley> annevk: Are you aware that the dom repo as a .DS_Store file?
  55. # [00:56] <GPHemsley> s/as/has/
  56. # [00:57] <odinho> Those hipsters!
  57. # [00:57] <GPHemsley> xhr too
  58. # [00:57] * Quits: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-134.net-89-2-126.rev.numericable.fr) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  59. # [00:58] <annevk> I wasn't, but I can remove that
  60. # [00:59] <GPHemsley> I think I have .DS_Store in my user gitignore file
  61. # [00:59] <GPHemsley> yeah, ~/.gitignore_global
  62. # [01:01] <annevk> platform.html5.org is still a fork
  63. # [01:01] <annevk> what's the deal with that anyway? does it matter?
  64. # [01:01] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  65. # [01:01] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  66. # [01:01] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  67. # [01:02] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123) (Quit: The computer fell asleep)
  68. # [01:02] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123)
  69. # [01:04] * Quits: jpn (~jpn@194.65.5.235) (Quit: jpn)
  70. # [01:06] <GPHemsley> annevk: Yeah, waiting on MikeSmith to authorize a switch; it affects a user's contributions on their profile.
  71. # [01:06] * Joins: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187)
  72. # [01:06] <GPHemsley> annevk: If a repo is a fork, a user won't get credit for it until it gets merged "upstream".
  73. # [01:06] <annevk> GPHemsley: oh, his would become a fork of ours at that point?
  74. # [01:06] <GPHemsley> yeah
  75. # [01:07] * Joins: Lachy (~Lachy@cm-84.215.71.136.getinternet.no)
  76. # [01:07] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@64.9.249.123) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  77. # [01:07] <annevk> would easily become our most popular repo then
  78. # [01:08] <GPHemsley> by what measure?
  79. # [01:08] <GPHemsley> oh, forks
  80. # [01:08] <GPHemsley> wow
  81. # [01:09] <GPHemsley> I didn't realize there were so many
  82. # [01:09] <GPHemsley> I wonder how that will play out
  83. # [01:09] <GPHemsley> (most are forks of Mike's repo, rather than WHATWG's)
  84. # [01:10] <GPHemsley> and it doesn't look like anyone else has actually made changes to their forked repos
  85. # [01:12] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com) (Quit: miketaylr)
  86. # [01:16] * Joins: jpn (~jpn@194.65.5.235)
  87. # [01:17] * Quits: jpn (~jpn@194.65.5.235) (Client Quit)
  88. # [01:18] * Quits: cabanier (~cabanier@192.150.22.55) (Quit: Leaving.)
  89. # [01:22] * Quits: Obvious (~tachikoma@188.226.74.2) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  90. # [01:24] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.114.109.32)
  91. # [01:25] * Joins: Obvious (~tachikoma@188.226.74.2)
  92. # [01:27] * Joins: cabanier (~cabanier@c-98-237-137-173.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  93. # [01:29] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com)
  94. # [01:30] * Joins: Spencer__ (~Spencer@31.205.26.243)
  95. # [01:33] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com) (Client Quit)
  96. # [01:36] * Quits: Spencer__ (~Spencer@31.205.26.243) (Quit: Leaving)
  97. # [01:41] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.98) (Remote host closed the connection)
  98. # [01:43] * Quits: caiogondim (~caio.gond@186.192.87.53) (Quit: caiogondim)
  99. # [01:48] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@108-75-75-178.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  100. # [01:50] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  101. # [02:04] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  102. # [02:06] <annevk> Makes sense, but kinda unexpected: http://www.example.org and http://www.example.org. are distinct origins.
  103. # [02:06] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Quit: Leaving...)
  104. # [02:06] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  105. # [02:06] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  106. # [02:06] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  107. # [02:07] * Quits: kochi_home (~kochi_hom@FL1-118-109-238-83.kng.mesh.ad.jp) (Remote host closed the connection)
  108. # [02:10] <annevk> abarth: you around?
  109. # [02:10] <abarth> annevk: yessir
  110. # [02:10] <annevk> abarth: how do you feel about defining the "Origin header" in Fetch and "origin of a URL" in URL?
  111. # [02:10] <annevk> abarth: and leaving https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6454 as mostly informational
  112. # [02:11] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Client Quit)
  113. # [02:11] <abarth> what's the benefit of that change?
  114. # [02:11] <annevk> abarth: benefit of the first change is to no longer have the inaccurate definition of space-separated origins floating around
  115. # [02:11] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  116. # [02:11] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  117. # [02:11] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  118. # [02:12] <annevk> abarth: benefit of the second change is marginal, but basically to align around "URL" rather than URI / STD66
  119. # [02:13] <abarth> sounds like you're sad about the IETF process :)
  120. # [02:13] <abarth> I don't have any objection
  121. # [02:14] <annevk> I tried filing errata for the first thing, but it was rejected :/
  122. # [02:14] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  123. # [02:15] <annevk> And I keep getting questions about that production in relation to CORS. People think they can do Allow-Origin: x y z
  124. # [02:15] <abarth> yeah, it seemed like a good idea at the time, and the IETF makes it hard to change those sorts of things after a certain point in their process
  125. # [02:15] * Joins: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  126. # [02:18] * Joins: rniwa_ (~rniwa@17.212.154.114)
  127. # [02:19] * Joins: attiks_ (~chatzilla@d5153136D.static.telenet.be)
  128. # [02:19] * Joins: wirepair_ (fbi@random.supermario.org)
  129. # [02:19] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:8864:27d4:10ff:4e52) (Quit: ap)
  130. # [02:20] * Joins: beowulf_ (uid116@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrzmvilxikicptwa)
  131. # [02:20] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.106.224) (Quit: othermaciej)
  132. # [02:20] * Joins: scottjehl_ (uid3055@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgililfggppqzyzl)
  133. # [02:21] * Joins: lokling_ (~quassel@quassel.woboq.de)
  134. # [02:21] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@17.212.152.13)
  135. # [02:21] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  136. # [02:21] * Quits: scottjehl (uid3055@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrvbuzrfblipbybw) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  137. # [02:21] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  138. # [02:21] * Quits: beowulf (uid116@pdpc/supporter/professional/beowulf) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  139. # [02:21] * Quits: attiks (~chatzilla@d5153136D.static.telenet.be) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  140. # [02:21] * Quits: slightlyoff (uid1768@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-byjovihigkqtkuzx) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  141. # [02:21] * Quits: wirepair (fbi@random.supermario.org) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  142. # [02:21] * jernoble_ is now known as jernoble
  143. # [02:21] * rniwa_ is now known as rniwa
  144. # [02:22] * Quits: mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt) (Excess Flood)
  145. # [02:22] * Quits: lokling (~quassel@quassel.woboq.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  146. # [02:22] * attiks_ is now known as attiks
  147. # [02:22] * Joins: mpt (~mpt@nat/canonical/x-uaasqlwneewhewtg)
  148. # [02:22] * Quits: mpt (~mpt@nat/canonical/x-uaasqlwneewhewtg) (Changing host)
  149. # [02:22] * Joins: mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt)
  150. # [02:22] * scottjehl_ is now known as scottjehl
  151. # [02:22] * beowulf_ is now known as beowulf
  152. # [02:22] * Joins: slightlyoff (uid1768@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uifgiitocchumjle)
  153. # [02:25] * Quits: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-nbtbeobqakexlbba) (Quit: There's no place like home...)
  154. # [02:27] * ojan_away is now known as ojan
  155. # [02:28] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@c-24-130-172-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: sicking)
  156. # [02:33] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Remote host closed the connection)
  157. # [02:38] * Quits: AladinBouzerd__ (~aladinbou@41.108.99.191) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  158. # [02:38] * Quits: WeirdAl (~chatzilla@g2spf.ask.info) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  159. # [02:39] <ambv> jgraham: not yet public proof of concept - http://html5lib.rtfd.org/
  160. # [02:40] <annevk> Does html5lib support <template> yet?
  161. # [02:40] <annevk> Live DOM Viewer needs some updating for that too...
  162. # [02:41] <ambv> no, only a template attribute as of now.
  163. # [02:42] <annevk> Attribute? Not familiar with that I think
  164. # [02:42] * Joins: jdaggett (~jdaggett@61-121-216-2.bitcat.net)
  165. # [02:43] <ambv> me neither, I only see it's listed as an acceptable attribute in the sanitizer
  166. # [02:43] <ambv> as for <template>, I cannot find it mentioned here http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/
  167. # [02:45] * Joins: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
  168. # [02:45] * Quits: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Changing host)
  169. # [02:45] * Joins: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  170. # [02:45] * Quits: josemanuel (~josemanue@44.212.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) (Quit: Saliendo)
  171. # [02:45] <annevk> ambv: it's in http://www.w3.org/TR/html-templates/ for now
  172. # [02:45] <annevk> ambv: but e.g. Firefox has it nightlies, I think Chrome does too
  173. # [02:45] <annevk> ambv: it should prolly be ported to HTML proper now it's in browsers
  174. # [02:47] <ambv> fun feature but will probably be added for html5lib 1.1 I guess
  175. # [02:49] * Joins: nonge (~nonge@p508297F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  176. # [02:54] * Quits: garciawebdev (~garciaweb@190.244.74.107) (Remote host closed the connection)
  177. # [02:57] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  178. # [02:58] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@addt73.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: ambv)
  179. # [02:58] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  180. # [03:03] * Quits: Rubennn (~Rubennn@apher.gewooniets.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  181. # [03:03] * Joins: Rubennn (~Rubennn@apher.gewooniets.nl)
  182. # [03:05] * Quits: lerc_ (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net) (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  183. # [03:05] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net)
  184. # [03:06] * Quits: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  185. # [03:08] * Joins: eric_carlson (~ericc@c-67-188-56-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  186. # [03:08] * Quits: eric_carlson (~ericc@c-67-188-56-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Client Quit)
  187. # [03:09] * Joins: eric_carlson (~ericc@c-67-188-56-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  188. # [03:13] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  189. # [03:14] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net)
  190. # [03:23] * Joins: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.233.52.248)
  191. # [03:26] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@220-136-58-73.dynamic.hinet.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  192. # [03:28] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  193. # [03:31] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  194. # [03:31] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  195. # [03:39] * Joins: [[zz]] (~q@node-10qf.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net)
  196. # [03:44] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  197. # [03:51] * Quits: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  198. # [03:53] * Joins: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br)
  199. # [03:55] * Quits: linclark (~clark@c-67-186-35-246.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Quit: linclark)
  200. # [04:01] * Quits: mygan (~mygan@78-70-166-27-no181.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  201. # [04:14] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.114.109.32) (Quit: weinig)
  202. # [04:14] * Quits: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  203. # [04:21] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.245.104.45)
  204. # [04:27] * Joins: scottmey (~scottmey@ool-18e4fda2.dyn.optonline.net)
  205. # [04:28] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.245.104.45) (Quit: weinig)
  206. # [04:32] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.245.104.45)
  207. # [04:42] * Joins: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br)
  208. # [04:44] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  209. # [04:48] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-ucayrtbgdcledvve)
  210. # [04:49] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-ucayrtbgdcledvve) (Remote host closed the connection)
  211. # [04:55] * Quits: jwalden (~waldo@nat/mozilla/x-ojwvqtlnwsctfpuq) (Quit: out)
  212. # [05:04] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com)
  213. # [05:05] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  214. # [05:06] * Joins: miketaylr2000 (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com)
  215. # [05:06] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@173-228-64-81.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  216. # [05:09] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  217. # [05:10] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  218. # [05:12] * miketaylr2000 is now known as miketaylr
  219. # [05:12] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.245.104.45) (Quit: weinig)
  220. # [05:13] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50.0.192.124)
  221. # [05:16] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@24.212.206.174)
  222. # [05:20] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-sbsozgidhffvhqeh)
  223. # [05:20] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  224. # [05:28] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-sbsozgidhffvhqeh) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  225. # [05:30] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@114-43-151-64.dynamic.hinet.net)
  226. # [05:35] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@24.130.60.35)
  227. # [05:36] * Joins: SonicX (~quassel@1.23.82.126)
  228. # [05:41] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@24.130.60.35) (Quit: weinig)
  229. # [05:42] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  230. # [05:46] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  231. # [05:46] * Joins: falken (falken@nat/google/x-dzfklcvukmgpsdtw)
  232. # [05:48] * Quits: scottmey (~scottmey@ool-18e4fda2.dyn.optonline.net) (Quit: scottmey)
  233. # [06:05] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-biryxkzzpezitxim)
  234. # [06:08] * Quits: zapo (~sumo@acd41300654.wireless.rit.edu) (Quit: leaving)
  235. # [06:13] * Joins: dydx (~dydz@76-220-18-65.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
  236. # [06:13] * Quits: alecf_ (~alecf@216.239.45.130) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  237. # [06:19] * Quits: SonicX (~quassel@1.23.82.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  238. # [06:20] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114) (Quit: rniwa)
  239. # [06:22] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  240. # [06:22] * Quits: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  241. # [06:24] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  242. # [06:25] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-biryxkzzpezitxim) (Remote host closed the connection)
  243. # [06:25] * Joins: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@24-197-156-137.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com)
  244. # [06:25] * Quits: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@24-197-156-137.dhcp.gsvl.ga.charter.com) (Changing host)
  245. # [06:25] * Joins: GPHemsley (~GPHemsley@pdpc/supporter/student/GPHemsley)
  246. # [06:26] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  247. # [06:37] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  248. # [06:40] * ImBcmDth is now known as ImBcmSlp
  249. # [06:48] * Parts: a-ja (~Instantbi@70.230.162.176)
  250. # [06:52] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-cigpbupfphhncehk)
  251. # [06:54] * Joins: [[zzz]] (~q@node-j33.pool-101-108.dynamic.totbb.net)
  252. # [06:54] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  253. # [06:58] * Quits: [[zz]] (~q@node-10qf.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  254. # [07:03] * Joins: fishd_ (~fishd@216.239.45.130)
  255. # [07:08] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  256. # [07:10] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-cigpbupfphhncehk) (Remote host closed the connection)
  257. # [07:11] * Joins: theEXA (~textual@218.25.129.207)
  258. # [07:11] * Quits: theEXA (~textual@218.25.129.207) (Excess Flood)
  259. # [07:22] * Quits: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br) (Remote host closed the connection)
  260. # [07:22] * Joins: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-134.net-89-2-126.rev.numericable.fr)
  261. # [07:22] * Joins: jryans (~jryans@cpe-70-113-92-118.austin.res.rr.com)
  262. # [07:25] * Joins: vitorpacheco (~vitor@186-241-243-181.user.veloxzone.com.br)
  263. # [07:37] * Quits: fishd_ (~fishd@216.239.45.130) (Remote host closed the connection)
  264. # [07:41] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-jedzqsrtmtmglohb)
  265. # [07:49] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  266. # [07:50] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-jedzqsrtmtmglohb) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  267. # [07:52] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@c-24-130-172-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  268. # [07:56] * Quits: eresair (~eresair@c-71-198-63-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  269. # [08:14] * Quits: globbot (~logbot@lump.glob.com.au) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  270. # [08:21] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  271. # [08:22] * Joins: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  272. # [08:25] * Quits: sicking (~sicking@c-24-130-172-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: sicking)
  273. # [08:26] * Joins: eresair (~eresair@c-71-198-63-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  274. # [08:31] * Quits: Badreddin (~Nur@189.192.138.187) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  275. # [08:32] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-qhaioinzfbvppmph)
  276. # [08:35] * Quits: eresair (~eresair@c-71-198-63-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  277. # [08:35] * Joins: globbot (~logbot@lump.glob.com.au)
  278. # [08:37] * Joins: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl)
  279. # [08:40] * Quits: ripples (~ripples@197.87.199.3) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  280. # [08:53] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@173-167-127-66-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  281. # [08:54] * Quits: JohnAlbin (~JohnAlbin@111-250-145-109.dynamic.hinet.net) (Quit: HTTP/1.1 404 JohnAlbin Not Found)
  282. # [08:55] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-qhaioinzfbvppmph) (Remote host closed the connection)
  283. # [08:55] * Joins: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it)
  284. # [08:55] <annevk> yes
  285. # [08:56] * Joins: rniwa (~rniwa@70-89-66-218-ca.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  286. # [08:59] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-ageihzjsvrfbycel)
  287. # [09:00] * Quits: dydx (~dydz@76-220-18-65.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: dydx)
  288. # [09:01] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-ageihzjsvrfbycel) (Remote host closed the connection)
  289. # [09:06] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@173-167-127-66-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  290. # [09:07] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-wwsmdpreaevkoydp)
  291. # [09:08] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-wwsmdpreaevkoydp) (Remote host closed the connection)
  292. # [09:15] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  293. # [09:15] * Joins: hallvors (~hallvord@node-c5jn52jgx5g7ed.20.ipv6.opera.com)
  294. # [09:23] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-motvbrniulsdaglk)
  295. # [09:26] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  296. # [09:27] * Quits: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  297. # [09:29] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com) (Quit: miketaylr)
  298. # [09:29] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net)
  299. # [09:29] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  300. # [09:29] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@c-71-204-145-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  301. # [09:31] * Joins: codeho (~codeho@178-26-87-50-dynip.superkabel.de)
  302. # [09:34] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141)
  303. # [09:35] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  304. # [09:36] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  305. # [09:36] * Joins: lerc_ (~quassel@121.75.133.243)
  306. # [09:37] * Quits: lerc (~quassel@121-74-236-56.telstraclear.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  307. # [09:42] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@213.17.226.11)
  308. # [09:42] * Joins: mitemitreski (~mitemitre@212.120.17.179)
  309. # [09:48] * Quits: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  310. # [09:50] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121.75.133.243)
  311. # [09:51] * Quits: lerc_ (~quassel@121.75.133.243) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  312. # [09:57] * Joins: benbarnett (~Adium@80.87.30.115)
  313. # [10:00] * Joins: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it)
  314. # [10:07] * Joins: skcin7 (~skcin7@c-68-38-156-213.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
  315. # [10:11] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  316. # [10:11] * Quits: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  317. # [10:12] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50.0.192.124) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  318. # [10:18] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  319. # [10:23] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@81.143.60.194)
  320. # [10:23] * Joins: charlie_ (~charlie@46.7.56.116)
  321. # [10:24] * charlie_ is now known as Guest45797
  322. # [10:24] * Quits: lerc (~quassel@121.75.133.243) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  323. # [10:26] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-motvbrniulsdaglk) (Remote host closed the connection)
  324. # [10:26] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121.75.133.243)
  325. # [10:28] * Joins: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.10.c.fiberdirekt.net)
  326. # [10:42] * Joins: nonge_ (~nonge@p5082A2CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  327. # [10:45] * Quits: jdaggett (~jdaggett@61-121-216-2.bitcat.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  328. # [10:46] * Quits: nonge (~nonge@p508297F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  329. # [10:48] * Quits: beowulf (uid116@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lrzmvilxikicptwa) (Changing host)
  330. # [10:48] * Joins: beowulf (uid116@pdpc/supporter/professional/beowulf)
  331. # [10:57] * Joins: AladinBouzerd (~aladinbou@41.108.99.191)
  332. # [10:57] * Joins: lerc_ (~quassel@121.75.155.67)
  333. # [10:57] * Quits: lerc (~quassel@121.75.133.243) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  334. # [10:58] * Quits: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  335. # [10:58] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  336. # [11:03] * Joins: lerc (~quassel@121.75.155.67)
  337. # [11:03] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-xfiwgcllgrwcszcp)
  338. # [11:04] * Quits: lerc_ (~quassel@121.75.155.67) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  339. # [11:07] * Joins: odinho_ (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no)
  340. # [11:08] * Joins: m4nu_ (~chatzilla@pool-96-240-170-90.ronkva.east.verizon.net)
  341. # [11:08] * Quits: jryans (~jryans@cpe-70-113-92-118.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: Be back later)
  342. # [11:09] * Quits: rniwa (~rniwa@70-89-66-218-ca.sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: rniwa)
  343. # [11:10] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  344. # [11:12] * Joins: sindresorhus_ (sindresorh@gateway/shell/ircrelay.com/x-ozcpnfstvctofcvd)
  345. # [11:13] * Joins: kborchers_ (~kborchers@unaffiliated/kborchers)
  346. # [11:14] * Joins: dlongley_ (~dlongley@pool-96-240-169-74.ronkva.east.verizon.net)
  347. # [11:14] * Joins: mbatle` (mbatle@pasanda.collabora.co.uk)
  348. # [11:14] * Joins: ukai_ (ukai@nat/google/x-tnohdtqkmxyyqein)
  349. # [11:14] * Joins: Workmon (~Dashiva@74.125.121.65)
  350. # [11:15] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  351. # [11:15] * Joins: darobin_ (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  352. # [11:15] * Joins: bentruyman_ (~bentruyma@108.166.175.171)
  353. # [11:15] * Joins: josemanuel (~josemanue@71.165.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es)
  354. # [11:15] * Joins: gnarf_ (~gnarf@unaffiliated/gnarf)
  355. # [11:15] * Quits: ukai (ukai@nat/google/x-dhepecuqajwmzcsm) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  356. # [11:15] * Joins: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  357. # [11:15] * Quits: riddle (riddle@us.yunix.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  358. # [11:15] * Quits: bentruyman (~bentruyma@108.166.175.171) (*.net *.split)
  359. # [11:15] * Quits: yoav_ (~yoav@sdo26-1-78-245-148-181.fbx.proxad.net) (*.net *.split)
  360. # [11:15] * Quits: m4nu (~chatzilla@pool-96-240-170-90.ronkva.east.verizon.net) (*.net *.split)
  361. # [11:15] * Quits: runeh (~Rune@phlebotinum.org) (*.net *.split)
  362. # [11:15] * Quits: JakeA (uid3836@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgowqilupakjbrdv) (*.net *.split)
  363. # [11:15] * Quits: odinho (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no) (*.net *.split)
  364. # [11:15] * Quits: mbatle (mbatle@pasanda.collabora.co.uk) (*.net *.split)
  365. # [11:15] * Quits: Workshiva (~Dashiva@74.125.121.65) (*.net *.split)
  366. # [11:15] * Quits: gnarf (~gnarf@unaffiliated/gnarf) (*.net *.split)
  367. # [11:15] * Quits: kborchers (~kborchers@unaffiliated/kborchers) (*.net *.split)
  368. # [11:16] * kborchers_ is now known as kborchers
  369. # [11:16] * Joins: riddle (riddle@us.yunix.net)
  370. # [11:16] * Joins: tndrH_ (~Rob@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust858.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com)
  371. # [11:19] * Quits: AladinBouzerd (~aladinbou@41.108.99.191) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  372. # [11:20] * Joins: Famic_ (famic@hidden.dns.ug)
  373. # [11:22] * Quits: sindresorhus (sindresorh@gateway/shell/ircrelay.com/x-kdzxcmfcyqxcgekf) (*.net *.split)
  374. # [11:22] * Quits: tndrH (~Rob@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust858.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (*.net *.split)
  375. # [11:22] * Quits: Famic (famic@hidden.dns.ug) (*.net *.split)
  376. # [11:22] * Quits: beverloo (beverloo@nat/google/x-elqfwvnhfoowokzc) (*.net *.split)
  377. # [11:22] * sindresorhus_ is now known as sindresorhus
  378. # [11:22] * tndrH_ is now known as tndrH
  379. # [11:22] * Joins: yoav_ (~yoav@sdo26-1-78-245-148-181.fbx.proxad.net)
  380. # [11:24] * Quits: darobin_ (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  381. # [11:25] * Joins: JakeA (uid3836@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yjowfnfvorrkcoor)
  382. # [11:25] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  383. # [11:26] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  384. # [11:26] * Joins: runeh (~Rune@phlebotinum.org)
  385. # [11:27] * Quits: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  386. # [11:28] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  387. # [11:29] * Joins: darobin_ (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  388. # [11:29] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-xfiwgcllgrwcszcp) (Remote host closed the connection)
  389. # [11:31] * runeh is now known as padt
  390. # [11:31] * padt is now known as runeh
  391. # [11:32] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  392. # [11:35] <zcorpan> ok, hg problems...
  393. # [11:36] <zcorpan> i did some work, commited, push, got:
  394. # [11:36] <zcorpan> abort: push creates new remote head fe04da5b1443!
  395. # [11:36] <zcorpan> (you should pull and merge or use push -f to force)
  396. # [11:36] <zcorpan> so i did hg pull -u
  397. # [11:37] <zcorpan> not updating: crosses branches (merge branches or update --check to force update)
  398. # [11:37] <zcorpan> so i did hg update --check
  399. # [11:39] * Joins: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net)
  400. # [11:39] <zcorpan> and now i don't know what i should do. can i just push?
  401. # [11:42] <hsivonen> DRM with bad encoding taste: PlayReady-oriented MP4 files contain UTF-16-encoded XML for designating the license server
  402. # [11:44] <hsivonen> in other news, Chrome for desktop already ships EME with at least Clear Key behind a flag
  403. # [11:45] <jgraham> zcorpan: Sounds like terrible advice from hg
  404. # [11:46] <jgraham> IMHO the right thing to do there is to rebase your changes on to of the upstream changes. Although hg makes that difficult
  405. # [11:46] <jgraham> But it sounds like if you try to push it won't work (or will do something bad)
  406. # [11:49] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-iwsinthbaeqdhqfn)
  407. # [11:55] * Joins: AladinBouzerd (~aladinbou@41.108.99.191)
  408. # [11:58] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Remote host closed the connection)
  409. # [11:58] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  410. # [11:59] * Joins: ripples (~ripples@41-133-175-37.dsl.mweb.co.za)
  411. # [12:00] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  412. # [12:00] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  413. # [12:00] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-iwsinthbaeqdhqfn) (Remote host closed the connection)
  414. # [12:02] * Quits: mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  415. # [12:04] * Joins: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-veppnexjjcefyiil)
  416. # [12:05] * Joins: mpt (~mpt@nat/canonical/x-kruyxhtqlpcrfoha)
  417. # [12:05] * Quits: mpt (~mpt@nat/canonical/x-kruyxhtqlpcrfoha) (Changing host)
  418. # [12:05] * Joins: mpt (~mpt@canonical/mpt)
  419. # [12:05] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  420. # [12:18] * Joins: adactio (~adactio@host213-123-197-180.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
  421. # [12:19] * Quits: kochi_home (kochi_home@nat/google/x-veppnexjjcefyiil) (Remote host closed the connection)
  422. # [12:21] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  423. # [12:22] <zcorpan> jgraham: ok, how do i get the working copy back to the state when i committed?
  424. # [12:25] * zcorpan tries hg rollback
  425. # [12:30] <zcorpan> well, i undid the pull, but the working copy is in state it was before i made changes. my commit still exists
  426. # [12:31] * Joins: beverloo (beverloo@nat/google/x-eocsgkhguwtfwhnj)
  427. # [12:32] * Joins: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron)
  428. # [12:50] * Quits: AladinBouzerd (~aladinbou@41.108.99.191) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  429. # [12:50] <jgraham> zcorpan: Your tree is in the state before you pulled?
  430. # [12:50] <jgraham> i.e. it has your commit but not any of the upstream?
  431. # [12:50] <jgraham> (changes)
  432. # [12:50] <zcorpan> i think so
  433. # [12:51] <jgraham> Well, my suggestion is to use hg pull --rebase
  434. # [12:51] <jgraham> Or maybe it is hg fetch --rebase
  435. # [12:51] <jgraham> Which requires the rebase extension to be enabled
  436. # [12:51] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  437. # [12:52] <jgraham> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/RebaseExtension for how to enable it if it isn't already
  438. # [13:05] * Joins: JibberJim (~opera@132.185.151.37)
  439. # [13:07] * Quits: SimonSapin (~simon@ip-134.net-89-2-126.rev.numericable.fr) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  440. # [13:11] <ambv> jgraham: shouldn't http://code.google.com/p/html5lib/issues/detail?id=162 be fixed for 1.0 as well?
  441. # [13:13] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  442. # [13:16] <jgraham> ambv: Yes
  443. # [13:16] <zcorpan> jgraham: ok, did hg pull --rebase
  444. # [13:16] <zcorpan> so now i can push?
  445. # [13:19] <jgraham> zcorpan: Yes
  446. # [13:20] <zcorpan> yay! thanks jgraham
  447. # [13:21] * Joins: hasather_ (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  448. # [13:22] * Quits: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  449. # [13:25] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@24.212.206.174) (Remote host closed the connection)
  450. # [13:25] * Quits: hasather_ (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  451. # [13:26] * Joins: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
  452. # [13:26] * Quits: scor (~scor@c-98-216-39-127.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) (Changing host)
  453. # [13:26] * Joins: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  454. # [13:29] <hallvors> does anyone know if there are subdomains set up on w3c-test.org that can be used for cross-origin tests?
  455. # [13:31] <jgraham> hallvors: Yes
  456. # [13:31] <jgraham> there are
  457. # [13:31] <hallvors> any docs on how/where to put helper files to use those?
  458. # [13:32] <jgraham> Well the files can go anywhere
  459. # [13:32] <jgraham> Everything is mirrored on all domains
  460. # [13:34] <hallvors> right. what are the domains?
  461. # [13:34] <jgraham> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing/Requirements#The_Web_test_server_must_be_available_through_different_domain_names
  462. # [13:34] <jgraham> Sorry, that took a long time to find :)
  463. # [13:35] <hallvors> nice
  464. # [13:36] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@24.212.206.174)
  465. # [13:36] <jgraham> If only there were a canonical site that had all this information, rather than it being spread across every wiki in the world
  466. # [13:37] <zcorpan> jgraham: so no mirror with different TLD
  467. # [13:37] <jgraham> No, I think there is only one tld
  468. # [13:38] <hallvors> Of course it's a bit tricky to figure out correct and lasting cross-origin URLs given the different branches. have to use JS, I guess.
  469. # [13:38] <jgraham> That seems fixable, but it seems hard to make it good enough for testing e.g. public-suffix without a custom DNS setup
  470. # [13:38] <hallvors> but most cross-origin tests should be JS anyway
  471. # [13:39] <jgraham> hallvors: Yeah, you will see in various places functions for taking a url and adding "www." just after the scheme part
  472. # [13:39] <hallvors> :)
  473. # [13:39] <odinho_> I had a support.js and some functions doing some smart stuff there.
  474. # [13:40] <jgraham> There would probably be something to be said for having a w3c-test stdlib for this kind of thing
  475. # [13:40] <odinho_> But it would be nice to have some sort of global variables where you could configure some stuff for this.
  476. # [13:40] * odinho_ is now known as odinho
  477. # [13:44] <hallvors> does anyone know what Anne means by "UMP" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0638.html ?
  478. # [13:44] * hallvors apologises if this is a very silly question
  479. # [13:45] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/TR/UMP/
  480. # [13:45] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
  481. # [13:48] <hallvors> if create an anonymous XHR request, rig it to GET a same-origin resource and set a custom header, it will trigger a preflight and the same-origin resource will have to opt in to receiving that custom header?! Right?
  482. # [13:50] <hallvors> maybe I should wait until Anne wakes up?
  483. # [13:54] * Quits: josemanuel (~josemanue@71.165.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) (Quit: Saliendo)
  484. # [13:55] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@114-43-151-64.dynamic.hinet.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  485. # [14:03] * Joins: scottmey (~scottmey@ool-18e4fda2.dyn.optonline.net)
  486. # [14:18] <ambv> jgraham: as for the README.rst rewording, I'll update it in a separate PR
  487. # [14:19] <ambv> basically I'm proposing to rewrite it slightly using a more affirmative language and putting the most important information first
  488. # [14:19] <ambv> for instance: https://gist.github.com/ambv/0baf1dfb42548cf17959 /cc gsnedders
  489. # [14:22] <jgraham> FWIW I think using alternate treebuilders is README level
  490. # [14:23] <ambv> sure, I didn't take it out, it wasn't there before the edit
  491. # [14:24] * Joins: caiogondim (~caio.gond@186.192.87.80)
  492. # [14:25] <jgraham> I know
  493. # [14:29] * Joins: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it)
  494. # [14:35] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  495. # [14:43] * Quits: ukai_ (ukai@nat/google/x-tnohdtqkmxyyqein) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  496. # [14:46] * Joins: JohnAlbin (~JohnAlbin@111-250-149-119.dynamic.hinet.net)
  497. # [14:49] * Joins: Martin1982_ (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl)
  498. # [14:49] <ambv> jgraham: something like https://gist.github.com/ambv/0baf1dfb42548cf17959 ?
  499. # [14:50] * Quits: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
  500. # [14:50] * Martin1982_ is now known as Martin1982
  501. # [14:50] * Quits: ehsan (~ehsan@24.212.206.174) (Remote host closed the connection)
  502. # [14:51] <jgraham> ambv: Looking good!
  503. # [14:51] <ambv> OK, pushing for RTC
  504. # [14:52] <jgraham> Real time Communication?
  505. # [14:52] <ambv> review-then-commit
  506. # [14:52] <ambv> :-)
  507. # [14:52] <ambv> an Apache term, gsnedders is using it as well
  508. # [14:54] <jgraham> Oh, I understand review-then-commit. But not the acronym :)
  509. # [15:06] * Quits: tomasf (~tomasf@77.72.97.10.c.fiberdirekt.net) (Quit: tomasf)
  510. # [15:08] * [[zzz]] is now known as [[zz]]
  511. # [15:09] * Quits: benbarnett (~Adium@80.87.30.115) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  512. # [15:09] * Joins: benbarnett (~Adium@80.87.30.115)
  513. # [15:10] * Joins: ukai_ (ukai@nat/google/x-umgqykfohduvncua)
  514. # [15:22] * mbatle` is now known as mbatle
  515. # [15:24] * Joins: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251)
  516. # [15:26] * Joins: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com)
  517. # [15:29] * Quits: scottmey (~scottmey@ool-18e4fda2.dyn.optonline.net) (Quit: scottmey)
  518. # [15:29] * Joins: ehsan_ (~ehsan@24-212-206-174.cable.teksavvy.com)
  519. # [15:35] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  520. # [15:38] * Joins: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  521. # [15:40] * Quits: ripples (~ripples@41-133-175-37.dsl.mweb.co.za) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  522. # [15:41] * Joins: erichynds (~ehynds@64.206.121.41)
  523. # [15:46] * Quits: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  524. # [15:48] * Quits: hallvors (~hallvord@node-c5jn52jgx5g7ed.20.ipv6.opera.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  525. # [15:48] * ImBcmSlp is now known as ImBcmDth
  526. # [15:49] * Joins: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  527. # [15:49] * Joins: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com)
  528. # [15:53] * Joins: jwalden (~waldo@nat/mozilla/x-hiunzwrcuhnncoen)
  529. # [15:58] * Joins: jacobolus (~jacobolus@50-0-133-210.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  530. # [16:04] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@220-136-58-73.dynamic.hinet.net)
  531. # [16:09] * dlongley_ is now known as dlongley
  532. # [16:09] * Joins: eresair (~eresair@coffeebar.static.monkeybrains.net)
  533. # [16:09] * Parts: dlongley (~dlongley@pool-96-240-169-74.ronkva.east.verizon.net) ("Leaving")
  534. # [16:14] * Quits: ukai_ (ukai@nat/google/x-umgqykfohduvncua) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  535. # [16:14] * Joins: scottmey (~scottmey@ool-18e4fda2.dyn.optonline.net)
  536. # [16:19] * Quits: Guest45797 (~charlie@46.7.56.116) (Remote host closed the connection)
  537. # [16:22] * Joins: charlie_ (~charlie@46.7.56.116)
  538. # [16:22] * Joins: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  539. # [16:22] * Joins: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@86.126.150.126)
  540. # [16:22] * charlie_ is now known as Guest15825
  541. # [16:22] * Quits: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: joeoravec)
  542. # [16:26] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@213.17.226.11) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  543. # [16:28] * Quits: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl) (Quit: Gone snoring)
  544. # [16:33] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  545. # [16:33] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  546. # [16:37] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  547. # [16:37] * Joins: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl)
  548. # [16:38] * Quits: odinho (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  549. # [16:40] * Joins: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com)
  550. # [16:41] * Joins: ukai_ (ukai@nat/google/x-vnonxtyejarcwdgp)
  551. # [16:42] * Joins: linclark (~clark@c-67-186-35-246.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  552. # [16:46] * Joins: odinho (odinho@dalvik.ping.uio.no)
  553. # [16:50] * Quits: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@86.126.150.126) (Remote host closed the connection)
  554. # [16:51] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  555. # [16:52] * Joins: jryans (~jryans@office.massrel.com)
  556. # [16:53] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@c-71-204-145-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: The computer fell asleep)
  557. # [16:54] * Joins: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@c-71-204-145-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  558. # [16:54] * Joins: JohnAlbin_ (~JohnAlbin@114-24-55-2.dynamic.hinet.net)
  559. # [16:56] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@42.208-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)
  560. # [16:57] * Quits: JohnAlbin (~JohnAlbin@111-250-149-119.dynamic.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  561. # [16:57] * JohnAlbin_ is now known as JohnAlbin
  562. # [16:58] * Quits: KevinMarks (~KevinMark@c-71-204-145-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  563. # [16:59] * Joins: gavinc (~gavin@barad-dur.carothers.name)
  564. # [16:59] * Quits: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  565. # [17:00] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95)
  566. # [17:00] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95) (Client Quit)
  567. # [17:00] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95)
  568. # [17:00] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95) (Changing host)
  569. # [17:00] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  570. # [17:02] * Quits: ehsan_ (~ehsan@24-212-206-174.cable.teksavvy.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  571. # [17:04] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  572. # [17:04] * Joins: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.103)
  573. # [17:08] * Quits: mven (~mven@ip68-224-15-53.lv.lv.cox.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  574. # [17:09] * Joins: smaug____ (~chatzilla@a91-154-47-240.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
  575. # [17:10] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@173-167-127-66-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
  576. # [17:12] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  577. # [17:13] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@80.91.33.141) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  578. # [17:14] * Quits: Martin1982 (~Martin198@cable-175-208.zeelandnet.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  579. # [17:15] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  580. # [17:15] * Joins: Zauberfisch-idle (~Zauberfis@2a01:4f8:100:73c3::3)
  581. # [17:18] * Quits: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.233.52.248) (Remote host closed the connection)
  582. # [17:21] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  583. # [17:21] * Quits: skcin7 (~skcin7@c-68-38-156-213.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  584. # [17:21] * Quits: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: joeoravec)
  585. # [17:22] * Joins: jdaggett (~jdaggett@ad006026.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp)
  586. # [17:25] * Joins: ehsan (~ehsan@66.207.208.98)
  587. # [17:33] * Joins: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com)
  588. # [17:34] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@220-136-58-73.dynamic.hinet.net) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  589. # [17:35] * Joins: barneybook (~kvirc@220-136-58-73.dynamic.hinet.net)
  590. # [17:41] * Quits: Guest15825 (~charlie@46.7.56.116) (Remote host closed the connection)
  591. # [17:44] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  592. # [17:48] * Joins: scor (~scor@132.183.242.160)
  593. # [17:48] * Quits: scor (~scor@132.183.242.160) (Changing host)
  594. # [17:48] * Joins: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view)
  595. # [17:54] * Quits: cabanier (~cabanier@c-98-237-137-173.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  596. # [17:56] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@50.0.192.124)
  597. # [17:57] * Quits: joeoravec (~joeoravec@cpe-66-108-101-219.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: joeoravec)
  598. # [18:01] * Joins: jsbell (jsbell@nat/google/x-evigfkizrfuwsigf)
  599. # [18:07] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  600. # [18:08] * Joins: cabanier (~cabanier@192.150.22.55)
  601. # [18:09] * Quits: darobin_ (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  602. # [18:17] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  603. # [18:19] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  604. # [18:19] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
  605. # [18:21] * Quits: benbarnett (~Adium@80.87.30.115) (Quit: Leaving.)
  606. # [18:22] * Quits: JibberJim (~opera@132.185.151.37) (Quit: JibberJim)
  607. # [18:24] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@70-36-197-111.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  608. # [18:24] * Joins: tantek-ipod (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net)
  609. # [18:25] * Joins: sicking (~sicking@c-24-130-172-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  610. # [18:26] * Quits: tantek-ipod (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  611. # [18:27] * gnarf_ is now known as gnarf
  612. # [18:30] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net)
  613. # [18:30] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@81.143.60.194) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  614. # [18:32] * Joins: hasather (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no)
  615. # [18:32] * Joins: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:91a2:e8d3:c0c0:dba0)
  616. # [18:36] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.212.154.238)
  617. # [18:36] * Quits: hasather (~hasather@cm-84.210.170.16.getinternet.no) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  618. # [18:37] * Joins: garciawebdev (~garciaweb@190.244.74.107)
  619. # [18:37] * Quits: beowulf (uid116@pdpc/supporter/professional/beowulf)
  620. # [18:42] * Joins: alecf (alecf@nat/google/x-mjtoutopjavlwwtk)
  621. # [18:46] * Quits: annevk (~annevk@173-167-127-66-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  622. # [18:51] * Joins: zapo (~sumo@acd41300654.wireless.rit.edu)
  623. # [18:54] * Joins: Maurice (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  624. # [18:56] * Quits: mitemitreski (~mitemitre@212.120.17.179) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  625. # [18:56] * Joins: annevk (~annevk@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  626. # [18:58] * Joins: WeirdAl (~chatzilla@g2spf.ask.info)
  627. # [18:58] * Joins: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net)
  628. # [19:00] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  629. # [19:03] * Parts: adactio (~adactio@host213-123-197-180.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
  630. # [19:04] * Joins: rniwa (~rniwa@17.212.154.114)
  631. # [19:06] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net)
  632. # [19:07] * Computer_Hunk is now known as Hunky_Male
  633. # [19:08] * Hunky_Male is now known as Hunky_Wizard
  634. # [19:10] * Quits: cheron (~cheron@unaffiliated/cheron) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  635. # [19:20] * Joins: Smylers (~smylers@host86-168-221-39.range86-168.btcentralplus.com)
  636. # [19:22] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@m830536d0.tmodns.net) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  637. # [19:24] * Joins: ambv (~ambv@addc15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  638. # [19:25] * Quits: Smylers (~smylers@host86-168-221-39.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  639. # [19:25] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  640. # [19:25] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  641. # [19:25] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  642. # [19:28] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  643. # [19:29] * Quits: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  644. # [19:30] <ambv> gsnedders: accept https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=176 as resolved, please
  645. # [19:35] * Joins: yodasw16 (~yodasw16@ql1fwhide.rockfin.com)
  646. # [19:37] * Joins: skcin7 (~skcin7@c-68-38-156-213.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
  647. # [19:41] * Joins: zagamqt (~zagam@81-230-17-139-no148.bredband.skanova.com)
  648. # [19:41] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.102)
  649. # [19:41] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.102) (Remote host closed the connection)
  650. # [19:42] * Joins: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.103)
  651. # [19:45] * Quits: newtron (~newtron@199.71.174.103) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  652. # [19:53] * Quits: codeho (~codeho@178-26-87-50-dynip.superkabel.de) (Quit: codeho)
  653. # [19:54] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@c-50-136-134-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: othermaciej)
  654. # [19:56] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  655. # [19:57] * Joins: yorick (~yorick@oftn/member/yorick)
  656. # [19:57] * Quits: ambv (~ambv@addc15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: ambv)
  657. # [19:58] * Joins: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@89.34.175.15)
  658. # [20:04] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.212.154.238) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  659. # [20:11] * Joins: nephyrin (~neph@nat/mozilla/x-bqrauxzghxoavxvs)
  660. # [20:12] * Quits: erichynds (~ehynds@64.206.121.41) (Quit: erichynds)
  661. # [20:12] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.212.154.238)
  662. # [20:13] * Quits: dbaron (~dbaron@50.0.192.124) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  663. # [20:13] * Quits: nephyrin (~neph@nat/mozilla/x-bqrauxzghxoavxvs) (Remote host closed the connection)
  664. # [20:14] * Joins: nephyrin (~neph@nat/mozilla/x-oylviezduuoqovla)
  665. # [20:16] <TabAtkins> annevk: Mind reviewing http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-api/#the-application-programming-interface to make sure it's invoking the right jargon wrt futures?
  666. # [20:16] <TabAtkins> Looks reasonable to me.
  667. # [20:16] * Joins: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  668. # [20:17] * Joins: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com)
  669. # [20:17] * Quits: zcorpan (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
  670. # [20:17] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  671. # [20:17] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.212.154.238) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  672. # [20:19] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  673. # [20:21] * Joins: jonlee (~jonlee@17.212.153.19)
  674. # [20:23] <annevk> TabAtkins: I guess
  675. # [20:23] * Joins: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl)
  676. # [20:35] <GPHemsley> The new Gmail compose interface really makes me angry
  677. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> Join zewt's club. I'll be on the other side, loving the crap out of it.
  678. # [20:36] <GPHemsley> zewt, TabAtkins: Out of curiosity, what browser do you use?
  679. # [20:36] <annevk> It's okay, if only it didn't encourage top-posting.
  680. # [20:36] <TabAtkins> Chrome.
  681. # [20:36] <TabAtkins> annevk: That's nothing particularly new. :/
  682. # [20:36] <GPHemsley> Every time I try to write an e-mail, there's some portion of it that I have to fight with.
  683. # [20:37] <GPHemsley> And, FTR, I use Aurora.
  684. # [20:37] <GPHemsley> I personally do not like being treated like I don't know how to use a form element
  685. # [20:37] <GPHemsley> I don't need some babysitter go-between hijacking text inputs and textboxes.
  686. # [20:38] <TabAtkins> On the other hand, I feel like the new compose finally works like I *want* composes to work.
  687. # [20:38] <TabAtkins> (Except for a few small editting bugs.)
  688. # [20:38] <GPHemsley> Those editing bugs are what bug me the most.
  689. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> Gmail has hijacked my keyboard shortcuts and navigation for a while, but now it's worse
  690. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> I can't highlight and overwrite without being punted to the end of the e-mail
  691. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> I can't drag and drop without being navigated to some other part of the e-mail
  692. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> I can't edit the To/CC fields by hand
  693. # [20:39] <GPHemsley> (Which means I can't swap addresses)
  694. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> I don't understand the lightlight one, or the drag-and-drop one.
  695. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> What do you mean by "swap addresses"?
  696. # [20:41] <GPHemsley> And, (probably unrelatedly,) last night I was reading a long Google Groups thread and was scrolled back to the top when a new post came in
  697. # [20:41] <TabAtkins> s/lightlight/highlight/
  698. # [20:42] <GPHemsley> If I highlight a multiple lines of of a reply e-mail, and then hit enter multiple times to delete them and start writing, the cursor ends up at the bottom of the message
  699. # [20:42] <GPHemsley> under my signature
  700. # [20:42] <TabAtkins> Oh, that's bizarre. I haven't experienced that.
  701. # [20:42] <GPHemsley> If I highlight a chunk of text in a reply and drag it to another part of the e-mail, weird things happen.
  702. # [20:42] <TabAtkins> Likely a random incompat issue with editting APIs.
  703. # [20:43] <GPHemsley> And if I want to switch the e-mail addresses in the To and CC fields, I have to delete them and retype them
  704. # [20:43] <GPHemsley> whereas I used to just be able to cut and paste
  705. # [20:43] <TabAtkins> You can just drag them.
  706. # [20:43] <GPHemsley> oh, hmm, I see that
  707. # [20:43] <GPHemsley> totally non-obvious
  708. # [20:44] <TabAtkins> I never use highlight+drag text, so I dunno what that might be doing. (I consider that behavior a bug when I accidentally activate it. >_<)
  709. # [20:44] <GPHemsley> interesting
  710. # [20:44] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: It was obvious to me - the "chips" looks draggable. Different experiences, I suppose.
  711. # [20:44] <GPHemsley> I guess
  712. # [20:44] <GPHemsley> but hovering doesn't give any indication
  713. # [20:45] <GPHemsley> it just pops up a useless box
  714. # [20:45] <TabAtkins> Ooh, you're right. It should produce a grabber icon.
  715. # [20:45] <TabAtkins> Filing bug now.
  716. # [20:45] <GPHemsley> kthx
  717. # [20:46] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra) (Quit: Leaving)
  718. # [20:46] <GPHemsley> I used to use Gmail in Mozilla Prism before this new compose window
  719. # [20:47] <GPHemsley> (I'm probably the only one on Earth still using that application)
  720. # [20:47] <GPHemsley> allowing me to have Gmail in a separate app
  721. # [20:47] <GPHemsley> but attachments no longer work
  722. # [20:47] <GPHemsley> since it's based on Firefox 3.6
  723. # [20:48] <GPHemsley> I also still hate how the new Gmail design wastes a lot of whitespace
  724. # [20:48] <GPHemsley> (for whatever meaning of "new" is relevant here)
  725. # [20:48] * Quits: skcin7 (~skcin7@c-68-38-156-213.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  726. # [20:49] <TabAtkins> Tried switching to the more compact theme?
  727. # [20:49] <TabAtkins> (from the gear dropdown, upper right)
  728. # [20:50] <TabAtkins> Heh, assuming that webapps should care about FF 3.6 is obviously a recipe for disappointment. ^_^
  729. # [20:50] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  730. # [20:50] <GPHemsley> This is *in* the compact theme
  731. # [20:50] <GPHemsley> If I used anything else, my head would explode
  732. # [20:50] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  733. # [20:51] <GPHemsley> And if the window is wide enough to display the full subject of an e-mail, why truncate it half-way through?
  734. # [20:51] * GPHemsley is just ranting about Gmail at this point
  735. # [20:52] <GPHemsley> I also don't like how the list of labels no longer scrolls with the page... I have to scroll it separately to get to stuff at the end of the alphabet
  736. # [20:52] <zewt> also where the heck did colored names go
  737. # [20:53] <zewt> obnoxious that you used to be able to tell the Ians apart, but now they're all just "Ian"
  738. # [20:53] <GPHemsley> I mean, I guess that sort of makes sense... but it's jarring
  739. # [20:53] <TabAtkins> Yeah, I liked the colored names.
  740. # [20:53] <GPHemsley> Ah, yeah, zewt has a point. I'd missed that. (Though I think the anonymous icons change colors.)
  741. # [20:54] <zewt> it's the from column in mailboxes where it was useful
  742. # [20:54] <GPHemsley> Hmm... I'm not sure I remember that
  743. # [20:55] <GPHemsley> I also hate how they keep changing the available label color scheme
  744. # [20:55] <GPHemsley> rendering all my old label colors obsolete
  745. # [20:55] <GPHemsley> meaning I can no longer use the same color for new labels without jumping through color-picking hoops
  746. # [20:55] * Quits: darobin (~darobin@lns-bzn-60-82-254-237-116.adsl.proxad.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  747. # [20:55] <TabAtkins> That's legit. Mind summarizing the issue so I can report it better?
  748. # [20:55] <zewt> really though the biggest thing gmail is missing is being able to properly filter sublabels
  749. # [20:55] <TabAtkins> zewt: God, yes.
  750. # [20:56] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: Which one? the label colors?
  751. # [20:56] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: Yeah.
  752. # [20:56] <zewt> so 1: i can filter "anything not matched by another filter in this group", and 2: so grouped labels can view all labels underneath them
  753. # [20:56] <zewt> instead i have to have this giant matrix of "a && !b && !c && !d && !e"
  754. # [20:56] <TabAtkins> zewt: Yes on both. I made a master label for all my standards lists, and it's worthless for anything but organizing the labels panel (which is what it was originally for, so yay?).
  755. # [20:57] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: I've had Gmail since 2004, and have used labels since they were introduced (whenever that was). In the beginning, there was a default set of colors. So I used various choices to categorize my labels. Over the years, that default set of colors has changed, for whatever reason, but my old labels have not be recolored.
  756. # [20:57] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: If I create a new label that I want to be in the same color category as other labels, I can no longer find the same color because it has been replaced.
  757. # [20:58] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: Got it. You can add custom colors, but we should probably have added custom colors automatically for people *using* colors that we removed.
  758. # [20:58] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: And the default color set seems to have changed more than once.
  759. # [20:58] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: Yes, exactly.
  760. # [20:59] <GPHemsley> I'd also like a search filter for e-mail that isn't labeled
  761. # [21:00] <zewt> they're also tinkering with the editor too much, so it's accumulating weird bugs
  762. # [21:00] * Quits: baku (~baku@2-236-39-253.ip231.fastwebnet.it) (Quit: Leaving)
  763. # [21:00] <zewt> how many times have I tried to delete a blank line inside a quote, and ended up deleting the whole mail or something
  764. # [21:00] <GPHemsley> (including treating labels like "inbox" as unlabeled)
  765. # [21:00] <GPHemsley> zewt: Yeah, that seems similar to what I was complaining about: I get pushed to the end of the e-mail when i do that.
  766. # [21:01] <TabAtkins> GPHemsley: Filed.
  767. # [21:02] <GPHemsley> TabAtkins: Thanks. Is there any public place i can file these directly?
  768. # [21:02] <TabAtkins> Not that I know of - I'm using the internal bugfiler.
  769. # [21:02] <GPHemsley> k
  770. # [21:02] <zewt> the public google trackers have always been a black hole for me
  771. # [21:04] * Joins: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.232.113.107)
  772. # [21:06] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  773. # [21:06] * Quits: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.232.113.107) (Remote host closed the connection)
  774. # [21:07] <GPHemsley> In a related area, I hate how the Gmail Android app notifies me when I archive mail via the Web
  775. # [21:07] * Krinkle is now known as Krinkle|detached
  776. # [21:07] <GPHemsley> It should only notify me when there's new mail, not when there's less old mail
  777. # [21:07] * Joins: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.232.113.107)
  778. # [21:07] <GPHemsley> It also notifies me when I mark something as unread
  779. # [21:08] <TabAtkins> That's... weird.
  780. # [21:08] <GPHemsley> Not really... it's just not very smart
  781. # [21:08] <GPHemsley> it notifies me whenever the mailbox changes state
  782. # [21:08] <TabAtkins> Yeah, which is weird. And dumb.
  783. # [21:08] <GPHemsley> without any regard to what the new state actually is
  784. # [21:08] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  785. # [21:08] <GPHemsley> Dumb, yes. Weird, I don't think so.
  786. # [21:11] <zewt> can someone tell the google ui people that having buttons titled "nope" instead of "no" do not make them cool
  787. # [21:11] <zewt> just sayin'
  788. # [21:11] <TabAtkins> Why you gotta crush their dreams?
  789. # [21:12] * Joins: dbaron (~dbaron@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  790. # [21:12] * Quits: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@89.34.175.15) (Remote host closed the connection)
  791. # [21:12] * Quits: danielfilho (~danielfil@200.232.113.107) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  792. # [21:12] <GPHemsley> It'd also be cool to filter labels by color
  793. # [21:12] <GPHemsley> so that I can see which labels have what color
  794. # [21:13] <GPHemsley> (and then, when that other thing gets fixed, fix my newer label colors)
  795. # [21:13] <GPHemsley> That's probably enough for now
  796. # [21:14] <GPHemsley> highest priority annoyances, though, are the ones I have with the compose window
  797. # [21:14] <GPHemsley> because they are kinda the lifeblood of an e-mail app
  798. # [21:15] * Joins: josemanuel (~josemanue@71.165.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es)
  799. # [21:15] * Joins: jernoble_ (~jernoble@17.245.105.79)
  800. # [21:16] * Joins: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@89.34.175.15)
  801. # [21:19] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  802. # [21:24] * Quits: opreaadrian (~opreaadri@89.34.175.15) (Remote host closed the connection)
  803. # [21:26] * Joins: davatron5000 (~dave@cpe-70-112-15-220.austin.res.rr.com)
  804. # [21:26] * Krinkle|detached is now known as Krinkle
  805. # [21:27] * Quits: davatron5000 (~dave@cpe-70-112-15-220.austin.res.rr.com) (Client Quit)
  806. # [21:28] * Joins: davatron5000 (~dave@cpe-70-112-15-220.austin.res.rr.com)
  807. # [21:30] * Joins: jernobl__ (~jernoble@17.114.110.109)
  808. # [21:31] * Quits: jernoble_ (~jernoble@17.245.105.79) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  809. # [21:37] <jgraham> marcosc: Why not just Alarm.cancel()?
  810. # [21:38] <marcosc> that could work
  811. # [21:39] <jgraham> (it also seems kind of ironic that you can't have an Alarm constructor because you have to use futures)
  812. # [21:39] <jgraham> (or something async at least)
  813. # [21:40] <marcosc> jgraham: yeah, this affects a few APIs
  814. # [21:40] <marcosc> It means having a lot of:
  815. # [21:40] <marcosc> Foo.create()
  816. # [21:40] <marcosc> I'm not a big fan of that
  817. # [21:40] <marcosc> but can live with it if the Future provides some significant benefits
  818. # [21:41] <jgraham> Sure
  819. # [21:41] <jgraham> Would be find of neat if one could write "future Alarm()" instead of "new Alarm()"
  820. # [21:41] <jgraham> Although it doesn't really make sense since most things are one or the other
  821. # [21:42] <marcosc> yeah, I know what you mean
  822. # [21:42] <jgraham> Anyway, I'm not sure why this uses navigator
  823. # [21:42] <marcosc> I know, it should just use the interface object
  824. # [21:43] <marcosc> There is a lot of that stuff in the SysApps API. Working to remove it
  825. # [21:43] <marcosc> Everyone thinks they have to copy geolocation
  826. # [21:43] <marcosc> YOU DON'T HAVE TO COPY GEOLOCATION
  827. # [21:43] <marcosc> :)
  828. # [21:43] <marcosc> Someone W3C meme that
  829. # [21:43] <marcosc> rwaldron keeps telling people that too, but people get scared or something
  830. # [21:44] <jgraham> You mean with static methods, like AlarmManager.add?
  831. # [21:47] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Remote host closed the connection)
  832. # [21:48] * Quits: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: bholley)
  833. # [21:50] <marcosc> jgraham: yeah. But we just rename AlarmManager to Alarms or something
  834. # [21:51] * Quits: SteveF (~chatzilla@cpc3-nmal20-2-0-cust916.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  835. # [21:54] <TabAtkins> Using Futures doesn't have to mean forgoing a constructor. Future-ness is (or should be) like EventTarget-ness - something you can mix into anything.
  836. # [21:54] <TabAtkins> The places that currently prevent that are bugs.
  837. # [21:56] * Quits: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
  838. # [21:56] * Quits: scor (~scor@drupal.org/user/52142/view) (Quit: scor)
  839. # [22:01] * Quits: m4nu_ (~chatzilla@pool-96-240-170-90.ronkva.east.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
  840. # [22:01] * Joins: zdobersek (~zdobersek@cpe-77.38.31.63.cable.t-1.si)
  841. # [22:04] * Joins: mattgifford (~mattgiffo@70.102.199.158)
  842. # [22:05] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@42.208-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) (Quit: nn)
  843. # [22:06] <jgraham> TabAtkins: I don't see what new Alarm() would do (other than block the main thread, which is obviously unacceptable)
  844. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Return an Alarm(), which contains the passed data and a .cancel() method, and which can be .then()'d if you want to recieve notice of sucess/failure in registering it.
  845. # [22:07] <TabAtkins> Sorry, "Return an Alarm,...".
  846. # [22:08] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  847. # [22:10] * Joins: mven (~mven@169.241.49.238)
  848. # [22:10] <jgraham> Hmm, interesting. But it does mean that futures rather take over your API
  849. # [22:10] <TabAtkins> Only insofar as they represent a standardized way to register callbacks for success/failure.
  850. # [22:10] <jgraham> Now any method that requires the object to actually be fully constructed requires a Future
  851. # [22:10] <TabAtkins> Other than that, it's a straightforward API, which lets you create and cancel alarms.
  852. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> Oh, hm.
  853. # [22:11] * Joins: barneybook|2 (~kvirc@114-44-245-224.dynamic.hinet.net)
  854. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> Is the alternative just making an async constructor function, and then having a normal object?
  855. # [22:12] <jgraham> Yes
  856. # [22:12] <TabAtkins> kk.
  857. # [22:12] <TabAtkins> What we really need is to add "await" to the language. :/
  858. # [22:12] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.212.155.50)
  859. # [22:12] <jgraham> How does that work?
  860. # [22:13] <TabAtkins> You have to declare the surrounding function to be async somehow (which forces it into returning a Future). Then, you can use "await" in the body, which has a similar effect to "yield" in a generator.
  861. # [22:13] <TabAtkins> (It's basically identical to how you use generators today to *model* futures, in libraries like Task.js that provide a control-inverter for you.
  862. # [22:14] * Quits: barneybook (~kvirc@220-136-58-73.dynamic.hinet.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  863. # [22:14] * Quits: mven (~mven@169.241.49.238) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  864. # [22:15] * Joins: mven (~mven@169.241.49.238)
  865. # [22:15] * Joins: m4nu (~chatzilla@pool-71-171-22-137.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
  866. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> More explanation - an await expression is "await <expr>", where <expr> is either a plain value or a Future. If it's a plain value, the await expression just returns that value. If it's a future, your function pauses (like a generator does) until the future resolves, at which point the await expression resolves to the future's value.
  867. # [22:16] * Quits: krawchyk (~krawchyk@65.220.49.251) (Remote host closed the connection)
  868. # [22:16] <TabAtkins> So you can write code that looks sync by using "await" to transform Futures into plain values.
  869. # [22:17] <TabAtkins> The original Future returned by the outer function is pending until the function returns or throws, at which point it accepts/rejects.
  870. # [22:17] <jgraham> So it's like python coroutines, kind of?
  871. # [22:17] <TabAtkins> It's shallow co-routines, with identical power to generators but an inverted semantic. Dunno how powerful Python coroutines are.
  872. # [22:18] <jgraham> http://www.dabeaz.com/coroutines/index.html is more or less the canonical guide to python coroutines
  873. # [22:18] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  874. # [22:18] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  875. # [22:19] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  876. # [22:19] <jgraham> But yes, I think I get the idea, and it does seem like it would be helpful
  877. # [22:19] <TabAtkins> You can implement the semantic *using* generators and a manager - you just use "yield" instead of "await". The manager function takes your generator and calls .next() repeatedly (receiving a Future from your yield call), and does the waiting for you, restarting you with .send() when it completes.
  878. # [22:24] * Joins: Jarrod- (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100)
  879. # [22:24] * Jarrod- is now known as Jarrod__
  880. # [22:25] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod) (Disconnected by services)
  881. # [22:25] * Jarrod__ is now known as Jarrod_
  882. # [22:25] * Quits: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@76.77.66.100) (Changing host)
  883. # [22:25] * Joins: Jarrod_ (~Jarrod_@pdpc/supporter/active/jarrod)
  884. # [22:28] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  885. # [22:31] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  886. # [22:33] * Joins: karlcow (~karl@nerval.la-grange.net)
  887. # [22:36] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@cpe-24-167-108-198.rgv.res.rr.com) (Quit: miketaylr)
  888. # [22:40] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.106.224)
  889. # [22:41] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  890. # [22:42] * Parts: will_i_was (~william@vpn.space150.com)
  891. # [22:43] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  892. # [22:49] * Joins: ap_ (~ap@17.245.104.102)
  893. # [22:53] * Quits: ap (~ap@2620:149:4:1b01:91a2:e8d3:c0c0:dba0) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  894. # [22:53] * ap_ is now known as ap
  895. # [22:53] * Quits: zcorpan_ (~zcorpan@90-230-218-37-no135.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  896. # [22:53] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  897. # [22:54] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  898. # [22:57] * Quits: svl (~me@ip565744a7.direct-adsl.nl) (Quit: And back he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky.)
  899. # [23:02] * Quits: weinig (~weinig@17.212.155.50) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  900. # [23:04] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  901. # [23:04] * Quits: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.106.224) (Quit: othermaciej)
  902. # [23:08] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  903. # [23:08] * Quits: TallTed (~Thud@63.119.36.36)
  904. # [23:11] * Joins: othermaciej (~mjs@17.114.106.224)
  905. # [23:14] * Quits: yodasw16 (~yodasw16@ql1fwhide.rockfin.com) (Quit: yodasw16)
  906. # [23:15] * Joins: weinig (~weinig@17.245.104.45)
  907. # [23:18] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  908. # [23:18] * Quits: jacobolus (~jacobolus@50-0-133-210.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  909. # [23:19] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  910. # [23:20] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  911. # [23:23] * Joins: bholley (~bholley@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  912. # [23:30] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  913. # [23:31] * Quits: newtron_ (~newtron@199.71.174.103) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  914. # [23:31] * Quits: Maurice (copyman@5ED573FA.cm-7-6b.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  915. # [23:34] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
  916. # [23:38] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@v-1045.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  917. # [23:42] * jonlee|afk is now known as jonlee
  918. # [23:45] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95)
  919. # [23:45] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@188.24.66.95) (Changing host)
  920. # [23:45] * Joins: alrra (~alrra@unaffiliated/alrra)
  921. # [23:47] * Quits: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  922. # [23:50] * Joins: jernoble (~jernoble@17.212.152.13)
  923. # [23:52] * jonlee is now known as jonlee|afk
  924. # [23:58] * Quits: jernobl__ (~jernoble@17.114.110.109) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  925. # [23:59] * Quits: ap (~ap@17.245.104.102) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  926. # Session Close: Thu May 09 00:00:00 2013

The end :)