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  12. # [00:15] <Hixie_> english needs a better scoping mechanism
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  17. # [00:29] <Hixie_> GPHemsley: did i hear you were planning on speccing navigator.mimeTypes ?
  18. # [00:29] <Hixie_> or was that something else
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  230. # [08:32] <galant> any idea why iceweasel makes br elements when I insert new line feed and chgromium don't? but they both make new lines
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  250. # [09:53] <jgraham> galant: Because content editable is a non-interoperable mess that for a long time didn't have any spec, now has a partial spec with no editor, and which it is almost impossible to bribe, bully or otherwise coerce browser devs to work on?
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  253. # [09:56] <crocket> Is http://learn.shayhowe.com/html-css a good guide to HTML and CSS?
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  266. # [10:26] <annevk> crocket: seems fine
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  269. # [10:33] <galant> jgraham, fair enough :S
  270. # [10:33] <galant> omg I am sorry it is like that
  271. # [10:33] <galant> I see there is big big lag in html development
  272. # [10:33] <galant> any idea why is that?
  273. # [10:34] <annevk> lag?
  274. # [10:35] <annevk> The dire state of contenteditable="" doesn't directly translate to all of HTML, although I guess getting people to work on fixing bugs is much harder than getting them to work on adding new features.
  275. # [10:37] <galant> well lag in development
  276. # [10:37] <galant> I think people are working on other things
  277. # [10:38] <galant> I hope they will work on contenteditable
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  279. # [10:42] <annevk> Don't know of any plans :/
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  283. # [10:45] <MikeSmith> anybody know of any vendor plans to implement any of the following from the W3C canvas 2dcontext spec? Path object, addHitRegion, draw*FocusRing, scrollPathIntoView
  284. # [10:45] <darobin> part of the problem with contenteditable is that browsers don't want to fix their bugs because they almost always introduce regressions
  285. # [10:46] <darobin> there's a case for starting from scratch on this one
  286. # [10:47] <MikeSmith> yeah contenteditable seems beyond fixable practically
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  288. # [10:51] <annevk> You guys sound like the people that started XHTML 2.0
  289. # [10:52] <MikeSmith> no, more like the guys that started the IRIbis WG
  290. # [10:53] <annevk> My plan btw is to import all of WebKit's tests into https://github.com/annevk/url and then see about integrating them with the testharness.js goodness
  291. # [10:54] <annevk> After I fixed bugs in the specification and my own implementation
  292. # [10:54] <annevk> Then file a bunch of bugs on browsers and see what people say
  293. # [10:54] <MikeSmith> what about Chris Weber's tests?
  294. # [10:54] <annevk> Already started a thread on dev-platform about cleaning up Mozilla's mess
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  296. # [10:56] <annevk> MikeSmith: they're kinda of a mess. Some of them don't have passing criteria, a bunch of them are the WebKit tests. And it's all in one big massive file...
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  298. # [10:56] <MikeSmith> ok
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  300. # [10:56] <annevk> I was hoping he was going to do the legwork on making them work, but no activity in the past four months
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  309. # [11:18] <galant> why the character &#x100AB; is showing on linux but not in windows? on windows I get empty square and on linux I get the character
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  312. # [11:23] <SimonSapin> galant: missing fonts?
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  321. # [11:33] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, I don't know of any interest in implementing those in Gecko
  322. # [11:34] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: OK, thanks
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  324. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> hmm so all of those are in the HTML spec too already
  325. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> whatwg
  326. # [11:38] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  327. # [11:38] <Ms2ger> They're Hixie's... v5?
  328. # [11:38] <MikeSmith> I'm also trying to remember if there are any accessibility-related canvas features that are in the W3C 2d spec but not in WHATWG HTML
  329. # [11:39] <Ms2ger> Dunno
  330. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> But then again, I haven't got a track record of caring about them
  331. # [11:41] <galant> SimonSapin, I need fonts for displaying Unicode character
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  333. # [11:42] <SimonSapin> Each font only supports some set of character. Getting an square instead of a proper glyph typically means that this system has no available font that support this character
  334. # [11:44] <SimonSapin> galant: using a webfont can help
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  340. # [11:56] <gallant> SimonSapin, but just curious I need fonts to display some unicode character
  341. # [11:59] <jgraham> Umm, you need fonts to display nay character
  342. # [11:59] <jgraham> *any
  343. # [11:59] <jgraham> Not all fonts have all characters
  344. # [11:59] <jgraham> Because there is more demand for, say, ascii than Linear B
  345. # [12:00] <annevk> Also 💩
  346. # [12:09] <gallant> ok thanks
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  351. # [12:17] <annevk> Ow... Apparently the URL standard is wacked with relative file URLs.
  352. # [12:18] <darobin_> aren't we all
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  357. # [12:36] <annevk> Relative file URLs :-(
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  360. # [12:40] <gallant> so fonts are basically graphical glyphs for representing unicode characters
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  362. # [12:42] <gallant> I have one big problem
  363. # [12:42] <gallant> two actually
  364. # [12:42] <chee> only two
  365. # [12:42] <chee> what a dream
  366. # [12:43] <gallant> hehe
  367. # [12:43] <gallant> first smalelr problem when I insert backspace character with javascript on my html web page in contenteditable element previous character before caret position for writing is not deleted
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  369. # [12:44] <gallant> any idea why this is happening?
  370. # [12:44] <gallant> instead of deleting previous character, the caret/cursor position for writing goes in the start of the line
  371. # [12:46] <annevk> https://github.com/inikulin/parse5 "Fast full-featured HTML parser for Node"
  372. # [12:49] <sangwhan_> Coming soon: a full-featured browser for Node
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  374. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> Opera for Compute^WNode?
  375. # [12:54] <jgraham> heh
  376. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> Surely Opera will have done it first
  377. # [12:58] <jgraham> http://code.google.com/p/es-operating-system/ <- I think this guy did, sort of. Dunno if Node is involved really though
  378. # [12:59] <gallant> second big problem is when I insert line feed character in linux in chromium I get new line but cursor is in previous line, then after typng one letter it goes in correct line
  379. # [12:59] <gallant> in iceweasel it is fine and iceweasel(firefix) is making br tags for line feed character
  380. # [13:02] <sangwhan_> jgraham: It's not Node, more of C++11 although a lot of things are generate from IDL afaik
  381. # [13:02] <sangwhan_> *generated
  382. # [13:02] <annevk> jgraham: https://twitter.com/annevk/status/345406701438119936
  383. # [13:03] <jgraham> Oh, I see
  384. # [13:03] <jgraham> How confusing
  385. # [13:04] <annevk> Given that NES predates JavaScript by a number of years, lets blame ECMA :-)
  386. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> And brendan
  387. # [13:16] <gallant> what are the squeares which I get when I copy paste few lines from irc chat <gallant> at the start of each new line I get square icon and there are 4 small characters inside it what are those? omg this is exactly what I need what are this squares?
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  396. # [13:39] <schalkneethling> hey there everyone
  397. # [13:39] <schalkneethling> so I have a quick question regarding the main element and it's use in a document
  398. # [13:40] <schalkneethling> so, reading the spec here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-main-element
  399. # [13:40] <Ms2ger> I don't think you'll find a lot of people here with an interest in that fork.
  400. # [13:41] <schalkneethling> well it is more of a use question, I just happened to be looking there first, let me look on the whatwg page first
  401. # [13:44] <schalkneethling> I do not see specific mention of the following in http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/grouping-content.html#the-main-element but here goes. So in the W3C docs it states "the main element as a descendant of an article, aside, footer, header or nav element" but does not mention the div element however, if I run a page through Validator S.A.C it errors in that a main element cannot be a decendant of
  402. # [13:44] <schalkneethling> a div
  403. # [13:44] <schalkneethling> is this correct or is it a bug in the validator?
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  405. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> what's Validator SAC?
  406. # [13:48] <schalkneethling> it's a build of the W3C validator that runs on your local machine
  407. # [13:49] <schalkneethling> http://habilis.net/validator-sac/
  408. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> schalkneethling: try using http://html5.validator.nu/ directly
  409. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> or http://validator.w3.org/nu/
  410. # [13:50] <schalkneethling> it is for a page running on my local machine via localhost
  411. # [13:51] <schalkneethling> suggestion on pushing the rendered content there?
  412. # [13:51] <schalkneethling> it is django based
  413. # [13:51] <schalkneethling> so running a validator in my editor is not an option for this instance
  414. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> whatever the markup of the source is that you're feeding to that local validator, make a static copy of it
  415. # [13:52] <schalkneethling> perhaps there is an extension for chrome that submits this, I know the web developer toolbar used to do this in Firefox but last I checked it is not compatible with the latest FF anymore
  416. # [13:53] <schalkneethling> MikeSmith: let me give it a go again
  417. # [13:56] <schalkneethling> MikeSmith: hot sauce, that actually worked this time. On previous runs I ran into some issues but all seems good now
  418. # [13:56] <schalkneethling> thanks
  419. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> ok
  420. # [13:57] <MikeSmith> anyway was far as what the validator checks currently, the main element can be descendant of a div, as long as that div is not a descendant of an article, aside, footer, header or nav
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  422. # [14:00] <schalkneethling> MikeSmith: yes, agreed
  423. # [14:01] <schalkneethling> yeah, so the SAC validator has a bug there clearly as the same source passes on validator.w3.org
  424. # [14:01] <MikeSmith> schalkneethling: you can install and run the validator locally without using that thing
  425. # [14:01] <schalkneethling> MikeSmith: I reckon I am going to do that
  426. # [14:01] <GPHemsley> Hixie_: navigator.mimeTypes is the list of MIME types the browser supports, right? I hadn't planned on speccing that. (I thought someone else already did?)
  427. # [14:02] <GPHemsley> Hixie_: I was thinking about window.mimeType/contentType
  428. # [14:02] <schalkneethling> last time I was pressed for time and that seemed like a quick and easy way, but seems like it is going to be better to spend a little time and get it set-up properly
  429. # [14:02] <MikeSmith> schalkneethling: see the instructions at https://bitbucket.org/validator/build/src and feel free to ping me here if you have problems with it
  430. # [14:02] <schalkneethling> thanks MikeSmith will do.
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  432. # [14:05] <MikeSmith> jgraham: fyi http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JulSep/0016.html
  433. # [14:05] <MikeSmith> about using testharness.js with for Web Audio tests
  434. # [14:06] <MikeSmith> "You might want to look at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/webaudio/test/webaudio.jsto see how Ehsan created a little framework for simplifying Web Audio tests, and see if we can build something like that on top of testharness.js."
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  436. # [14:10] <jgraham> Hmm, at least some of that file looks like it is already in testharness.js and some of the rest looks like it could be
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  438. # [14:12] <MikeSmith> it looks pretty straightforward. I guess I should be it didn't require something more complicated, given the baroqueness of that spec
  439. # [14:13] <MikeSmith> *should be surprised
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  441. # [14:18] <Ms2ger> jgraham, yeah, I poked ehsan about that
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  443. # [14:20] <jgraham> Replied to that mail
  444. # [14:21] <Ms2ger> Oh, and I got complaints about the lack of window.onerror in th.js
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  447. # [14:26] <MikeSmith> "fuzzyCompare is spelled assert_approx_equals"
  448. # [14:27] <MikeSmith> in other news, bravo Jirka http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2013JulSep/0027.html
  449. # [14:28] <gallant> can I do iframe in iframe?
  450. # [14:30] <SimonSapin> gallant: Try it? But I think yes
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  452. # [14:32] <gallant> ok thanks
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  458. # [15:01] <jgraham> Speaking of web audio tests https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/200
  459. # [15:01] <Ms2ger> 200!
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  465. # [15:12] <jgraham> Ms2ger: "The lack of window.onerror" isn't really a complaint. What actual feature were they missing?
  466. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> Catching errors outside tests
  467. # [15:12] <jgraham> And doing what?
  468. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> Failing somehow, I guess
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  470. # [15:13] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885107
  471. # [15:13] <jgraham> So I guess one possibility would be to add an extra result to every test file "tests completed successfully"
  472. # [15:14] <jgraham> And anything that reached onerror would fail that "test"
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  477. # [15:21] <jgraham> Or, actually, the harness already has an overall status
  478. # [15:21] <jgraham> So it could be set to error when the test errors
  479. # [15:23] <jgraham> OK, I think I see how to fix this
  480. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> I'm happy to hear that :)
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  489. # [15:34] <steven__> Ms2ger: strictly speaking the WHATWG definition of main is a fork of the W3C definition :-)
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  495. # [15:49] <Hixie_> technically the two <main> definitions are unrelated
  496. # [15:49] <Hixie_> neither was a copy of the other
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  504. # [15:51] <hsivonen> huh. is whatwg mailman not sending out monthly reminders?
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  506. # [15:53] <steven__> Hixie_:fine by me
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  511. # [15:58] <jgraham> So wait. You mean there is no fork?
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  514. # [16:04] <steven__> jgraham: no, just 2 definitions HTML elements that happen to share the same name
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  533. # [16:46] <Hixie_> wasn't there a bug on the 'const DOMString product = "Gecko"' thing?
  534. # [16:47] <Hixie_> i can't find it anywhere...
  535. # [16:48] <Hixie_> ah, bug 21591
  536. # [16:49] <Hixie_> heycam|away: if you could give me a yay/nay on bug 21591 that'd be great
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  551. # [17:16] <smaug____> I wonder if EventTarget could have a method removeCurrentListener();
  552. # [17:16] <smaug____> it would remove the currently called listener
  553. # [17:17] <smaug____> or perhaps addEventlistenerForOneEvent()... tiny bit long name
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  557. # [17:19] <jgraham> People keep trying and failing to improve the event api
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  566. # [17:47] <jgraham> So does (unprefixed) flexbox support suck in non-presto, or am I doing it wrong?
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  569. # [17:51] <jgraham> Ah, the problem in Firefox was my fault / a presto bug
  570. # [17:53] <jgraham> Chrome 29.0.1521.3 dev claims that display:flex is an invalid property value
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  575. # [18:05] <hasather> jgraham: it's prefixed
  576. # [18:05] <Domenic_> Is <command> dead in favor of <menuitem>?
  577. # [18:06] <dglazkov> good morning, Whatwg!
  578. # [18:07] <jgraham> hasather: So much for caniuse.com
  579. # [18:07] <jgraham> Also, why?
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  583. # [18:08] <Hixie_> Domenic_: yes
  584. # [18:09] <gsnedders> jgraham: So they can change property names at LC again, duh.
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  586. # [18:09] <hasather> jgraham: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=249111
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  591. # [18:11] <Domenic_> Hixie_: thanks.
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  593. # [18:12] <Domenic_> Next question: do void elements like <menuitem /> work in oldIEs or am I screwed if I want to try and polyfill these? (Assuming `document.createElement('menuitem')`)
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  598. # [18:16] <Domenic_> Hmm seems to work
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  600. # [18:16] <Hixie_> depends on what you mean by "work" and what you mean by "old"
  601. # [18:17] <Domenic_> IE8 really
  602. # [18:17] <Domenic_> the DOM tree according to the dev tools seems sane, which was my main concern
  603. # [18:18] <Domenic_> Of course because they put their text in an attribute instead of the content I'm not going to have a good time (:after { content: attr(label); } doesn't seem to work in IE8). Ah well, I think I'll go back to <li>s.
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  605. # [18:21] <Hixie_> oh well you shouldn't use <menuitem> if you're not triggering the native context menu stuff
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  607. # [18:21] <Domenic_> Hmm I thought that long thread was saying that <menu> was mainly styled through CSS now.
  608. # [18:22] <Domenic_> Oh I see but the example uses <li>s interesting...
  609. # [18:22] <Hixie_> long thread?
  610. # [18:23] <Domenic_> the one where you outlined the overhaul of <menu>
  611. # [18:23] <Domenic_> i guess the thread wasn't long, just the OP
  612. # [18:23] <Hixie_> oh the old one?
  613. # [18:23] <Hixie_> thought you meant a recent thread :-)
  614. # [18:23] <Domenic_> yeah old :)
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  616. # [18:24] <Domenic_> hmm so visually and semantically i am trying to build a popup menu, but only toolbars allow <li>s...
  617. # [18:26] <Domenic_> i do have the escape hatch of saying that i'm inside a custom element (<my-dropdown><button>I trigger the popup menu</button><menu><li>Option 1</li><li>Option 2</li></menu></my-dropdown>) and thus the usual rules don't apply, I think
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  619. # [18:27] <Hixie_> "usual rules"?
  620. # [18:27] <Hixie_> why would they not apply?
  621. # [18:27] <Domenic_> Well we were discussing this in the polymer-dev google group and kind of came to the conclusion that inside a custom element, you can give custom semantics to existing elements.
  622. # [18:28] <Hixie_> uh no
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  624. # [18:28] <Hixie_> that would screw up the accessibility layer
  625. # [18:28] <Domenic_> hmm
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  627. # [18:29] <Domenic_> maybe I should just do <my-menu> then... kind of a shame.
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  629. # [18:32] <Hixie_> i don't really understand what you're trying to do
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  632. # [18:33] <Hixie_> if you want a <button> with a drop-down menu, then <button menu=""> is meant to do just that
  633. # [18:40] <Domenic_> Yeah fair I haven't exactly been clear
  634. # [18:41] <Domenic_> I am trying for basically exactly <button menu=""> except with custom styles for the menu (so I guess it can't be a <menu type="popup">), and I am using an AngularJS custom element wrapping both to (a) avoid having to introduce id's; (b) work in older browsers.
  635. # [18:42] <Domenic_> That's kind of off topic though so I was hoping to just pop in with a few relevant questions about <menu>. It seems to have snowballed :P
  636. # [18:43] <Hixie_> oh there's no topic here
  637. # [18:44] <Hixie_> there's nothing in theory about <menu> that makes it unstyleable, as far as i recall
  638. # [18:44] <Hixie_> of course, someone would have to implement it first :-)
  639. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> Surely it not being implemented makes it stylable :)
  640. # [18:45] <Domenic_> Well <menu type="popup"> only allows <menu>/<menuitem> children, and I guess the intent is that those are always browser-native widgets
  641. # [18:45] <Hixie_> that's not the intent, no
  642. # [18:45] <Domenic_> oh!
  643. # [18:45] <Hixie_> or rather, the intent is that they be browser-implemented widgets, but there's no reason they shouldn't be styled
  644. # [18:45] <Hixie_> at least in theory
  645. # [18:45] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: yt?
  646. # [18:45] <Domenic_> right, so they would be more like <button> than <select> is what you're saying.
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  648. # [18:46] <Hixie_> no reason <select> shouldn't be styleable either
  649. # [18:46] <Domenic_> heh fair
  650. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> And it is styleable, but only in ugly ways :)
  651. # [18:47] <Hixie_> i'm hoping once we have web components we'll be able to define how all the native elements work
  652. # [18:47] <Hixie_> which should make them all styleable
  653. # [18:47] <Hixie_> (dglazkov: ^)
  654. # [18:47] <Domenic_> Hixie_: +1 that will be awesome
  655. # [18:48] <Ms2ger> Clearly we should implement form elements in XBL
  656. # [18:49] <Domenic_> ok so sounds like <menu type="popup"> + <button menu=""> would be perfect, except for the non-polyfillableness in IE8 which doesn't support `menuitem:after { content: attr(label); }`. And of course forward-compatibility concerns. Ah well, good to know the future is at least bright!
  657. # [18:49] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: well that was my original plan, but web components is basically an alternative reality version of xbl
  658. # [18:49] <Hixie_> Domenic_: you can shim it in different ways. e.g. have a script replace them with <div>s.
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  660. # [18:51] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, you remember when Gecko actually did that? ;)
  661. # [18:51] <Domenic_> Hixie_: true. might be worth experimenting with. But then my CSS and my markup don't correspond anymore, unlike the solution I'm leaning toward of <my-menu><li>Option1</li><li>Option2</li></my-menu>
  662. # [18:51] * Ms2ger can't recall if that was Hixie's or bz's internship
  663. # [18:52] <Hixie_> Ms2ger: not successfully right?
  664. # [18:52] <Hixie_> i mean, xul widgets were xbl, not i don't think html widgets have ever been xbl in mozilla
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  666. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> I've removed some of that code at some point
  667. # [18:52] <Hixie_> Domenic_: <li> is only allowed in <ul> or <ol> or <menu> :-P
  668. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Not sure if it was ever turned on
  669. # [18:53] <Hixie_> i don't think it was
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  691. # [19:29] <jgraham> Yeah, seriously, I remember in like 2002 or something when XBL widgets would be turned on Real Soon Now and solve all form styling problems. Now it is 2013 and XBL^WWeb Components widgets will be turned on Real Soon Now and solve all form control styling problems
  692. # [19:31] <Hixie_> yup
  693. # [19:31] <TabAtkins> I'm still not sure how we're going to solve the form control styling problems. I think a lot of people are very naive about the problems with form controls.
  694. # [19:31] <Hixie_> why?
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  696. # [19:32] <TabAtkins> Because I've seen at least three distinct version of a time input on Android across OS versions, which would share only the most minimal of styling concerns, and all of which are different from how it looks on desktop Chrome.
  697. # [19:33] <Hixie_> jgraham: i'm getting timeouts from your anolis instance
  698. # [19:33] <TabAtkins> There was the one where each segment of the time was a vertical spinny wheel, one where it was a direct number input with specialized formatting, and one where it's an analog clock display.
  699. # [19:34] <Hixie_> TabAtkins: yeah, you'd probably have to bind to a new component if you wanted more than just colour changes.
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  701. # [19:34] <Hixie_> TabAtkins: but in general back with xbl2 the idea is you'd expose pseudo-elements for the parts that you have
  702. # [19:34] <Hixie_> TabAtkins: and let people style those
  703. # [19:34] <Hixie_> and they would map straight to real elements in the shadow
  704. # [19:34] <jgraham> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57209 for anyone that likes old bugs
  705. # [19:35] <jgraham> Hixie_: Oh. I will look and see if there is anything in the logs
  706. # [19:35] <Hixie_> anyone understand https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22531 ?
  707. # [19:35] <jgraham> Just as soon as I remember where the log are
  708. # [19:35] <Hixie_> jgraham: thanks
  709. # [19:36] <TabAtkins> Hixie: The bug just wants you to wrap the spec's contents in a <center>.
  710. # [19:36] <Hixie_> that's all i cound get out of it too
  711. # [19:36] <Hixie_> i think i disagree with the premise of the request...
  712. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> Also possibly it's asking you to do narrower text, centered? Like what CSS specs do.
  713. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> In our EDs, at least.
  714. # [19:38] <TabAtkins> Limiting the line length is important for readability.
  715. # [19:39] * gsnedders would dearly love the spec to have a limited line length
  716. # [19:39] <jgraham> Centered?
  717. # [19:40] <jgraham> That's crazt-talk
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  719. # [19:40] <TabAtkins> Not like text-align:center. Just put the extra margin space on both sides.
  720. # [19:40] <jgraham> Oh, right
  721. # [19:40] <jgraham> That's not crazy
  722. # [19:41] <jgraham> Although actually with the HTML spec I'm not sure it would make me happy
  723. # [19:41] <jgraham> Hixie_: Well I see timeouts too
  724. # [19:41] <jgraham> My best guess so far is that things are just taking too long
  725. # [19:41] <Hixie_> that would make sense
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  728. # [19:42] <jgraham> (this host has some reverse-proxy setup which means that cgi-type scripts that take too long to run never return anything)
  729. # [19:43] <jgraham> (because the frontend server has a fixed timeout)
  730. # [19:43] <Hixie_> d'oh
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  737. # [20:05] <Hixie_> jgraham: any suggestions? other than "make the spec smaller"? :-)
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  739. # [20:06] <Ms2ger> Make the spec vaguer
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  741. # [20:09] <jgraham> Hixie_: Modularization? :p
  742. # [20:11] <Hixie_> i guess one option is for me to just reimplement anolis in a more efficient language
  743. # [20:11] <Hixie_> ("just")
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  746. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> Profile it? :)
  747. # [20:13] <jgraham> Well a simpler option would be to run it on your own machine without the fixed timeouts
  748. # [20:13] <Hixie_> the reason i use yours is that my machine can't handle it at all :-)
  749. # [20:13] <Hixie_> the kernel kills html5lib trying to parse it
  750. # [20:13] <jgraham> Anyway, I am trying upgrading the libraries in case they got faster
  751. # [20:13] <Hixie_> ah, cool
  752. # [20:13] <jgraham> Huh, doesn't it use lxml for parsing?
  753. # [20:14] <Hixie_> i thought we used lxml for serialising, or something
  754. # [20:14] <Hixie_> maybe?
  755. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure lxml would deal
  756. # [20:14] <jgraham> And also, why does your kernel do that?
  757. # [20:14] <Hixie_> either way, it wasn't successful.
  758. # [20:14] <Hixie_> so that the site doesn't stop responding
  759. # [20:15] <Hixie_> with an app taking all the cpu and memory
  760. # [20:15] <jgraham> Oh
  761. # [20:16] <jgraham> You mean your dreamhost machine or something?
  762. # [20:16] <Hixie_> yeah
  763. # [20:16] <Hixie_> (that's where i edit the spec)
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  767. # [20:20] <jgraham> So, I just updated some stuff
  768. # [20:20] <jgraham> Probably broke the world
  769. # [20:21] <SimonSapin> this side of the world doesn’t look too broken yet
  770. # [20:27] * Hixie_ checks
  771. # [20:27] <Hixie_> uh
  772. # [20:28] <Hixie_> something broke, but something long before your code gets involved...
  773. # [20:28] <Hixie_> what the heck was that
  774. # [20:28] <Hixie_> weird
  775. # [20:28] <Hixie_> maybe the cldr updater or the entity updater
  776. # [20:28] <Hixie_> something stalled for a bit
  777. # [20:28] <Hixie_> anyway...
  778. # [20:30] <Hixie_> woot, it didn't time out
  779. # [20:30] <Hixie_> it did change a lot though
  780. # [20:30] <Hixie_> let's see
  781. # [20:30] <Hixie_> some reordered attributes, ok...
  782. # [20:31] <Hixie_> <i> isn't cross-referenced any more?
  783. # [20:31] <Hixie_> <var> either
  784. # [20:31] <Hixie_> oh, probably because of title="" being renamed...
  785. # [20:31] <Hixie_> is there some flag i need to pass to keep on using old-style title="" cross-references?
  786. # [20:31] <jgraham> Ask Ms2ger
  787. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> You're running anolis manually now?
  788. # [20:32] <Hixie_> i'd love to update to, like, data-x="", but i have zillions of lines to update
  789. # [20:32] <Hixie_> no, running jgraham's
  790. # [20:32] <Ms2ger> --w3c-compat-xref-elements I guess
  791. # [20:34] <Hixie_> uh weird, \2019 has turned rsquo into rsquor
  792. # [20:34] <Hixie_> wonder if that's a bug
  793. # [20:34] <jgraham> It is possible that there is a new option in the last N years since anolis was updated that isn't exposed in the UI
  794. # [20:34] <Hixie_> oh interesting, those are identical!
  795. # [20:34] <Hixie_> weird
  796. # [20:34] <Ms2ger> rsquor is probably mathmlish?
  797. # [20:34] <Hixie_> jgraham: well i'm not really using the visual UI
  798. # [20:34] <Hixie_> jgraham: i'm just doing a wget :-)
  799. # [20:35] <Hixie_> jgraham: can you try adding --w3c-compat-xref-elements?
  800. # [20:36] <jgraham> Hixie_: Well you're not using the visual UI but you are using the same form processing code
  801. # [20:36] <Hixie_> yeah
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  804. # [20:38] <jgraham> Hixie_: Looks like you can add w3c_compat_xref_elements to the query string
  805. # [20:39] <Hixie_> =on?
  806. # [20:39] <jgraham> (maybe =1 or something although I'm not sure it matters)
  807. # [20:39] <Hixie_> i have w3c_compat_xref_a_placement=on, whatever that is
  808. # [20:39] <Hixie_> fwiw
  809. # [20:39] <jgraham> =on is probably fine
  810. # [20:39] <jgraham> The stuff after the = sign gets ignored for boolean parameters
  811. # [20:40] <joshuaAdarme> hello?
  812. # [20:40] <Hixie_> trying...
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  815. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, yeah, you always sound like that
  816. # [20:42] <Hixie_> validator.nu is one of my main bottlenecks now, it seems
  817. # [20:42] <Hixie_> jgraham: looks like that fixed it! thanks!
  818. # [20:42] <Hixie_> ok, bbiab. thanks again!
  819. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> Your wish is our command, sir :)
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  829. # [21:14] <kerp> I can't find any reference to a proposed solution to text-overflow: ellipsis with wrapping text (which I thought someone here had mentioned). ring any bells?
  830. # [21:19] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: ...when have you heard me?
  831. # [21:21] <TabAtkins> Oh man, my s/the cloud/my butt/ extension doesn't trigger as often as I'd like, but when it does, it's SO WORTH IT.
  832. # [21:21] <TabAtkins> From Henri's twitter: "Anyone with a credit card can get a Linux VM in my butt, but configuring iptables and ip6tables is harder. :-("
  833. # [21:22] <gsnedders> …
  834. # [21:22] <gsnedders> No, really, ….
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  840. # [21:33] <jgraham> gsnedders: Don't worry, if we ever need to get TabAtkins locked up, I think that will be quite enough evidence
  841. # [21:34] <TabAtkins> Hahahahaha
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  846. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, you speak a lot :)
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  850. # [21:56] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Point.
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  854. # [22:00] <Hixie_> jgraham: it timed out again :-(
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  856. # [22:04] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Your dream of collecting the entire web platform into one spec is dashed by technology.
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  859. # [22:05] <Hixie_> i guess it's time i wrote my own anolis
  860. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> Maybe you should try weird Glenn's tool
  861. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> Or ReSpec
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  863. # [22:06] <Hixie_> glenn's tool?
  864. # [22:06] <Hixie_> respec is a non-starter.
  865. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> The one where you define everything inline in IDL blocks
  866. # [22:07] <Hixie_> are you just trolling me :-P
  867. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> Just listing the current alternatives :)
  868. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> Maybe Bert's tool is faster?
  869. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> On the one hand, it's a lot of C
  870. # [22:08] <Hixie_> bert's tool couldn't handle the html spec like 5 years ago
  871. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> On the other, the rest is shell
  872. # [22:08] <Hixie_> that's why anolis was made
  873. # [22:08] <Hixie_> :-)
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  875. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> Try mine? It's like a simpler anolis, but only specialized for the CSSWG so far.
  876. # [22:11] <TabAtkins> However, it depends on what's failing in anolis.
  877. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> Speed
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  879. # [22:12] <TabAtkins> Just run it locally, then.
  880. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> Basically, someone decided to write an enormous spec
  881. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> And he edits it on the same box that serves whatwg.org
  882. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> And that box times anolis out when running there
  883. # [22:13] <jgraham> Right, and now *I* run it on a shared host
  884. # [22:13] <jgraham> Which also times it out
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  886. # [22:14] <jgraham> So the problem is either a) the size of the spec b) Ms2ger/gsnedders' code c) Python or d) Shared hosting
  887. # [22:14] <jgraham> Depending on your point of view
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  889. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> Or all of them
  890. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> Also, you're not running any code of mine, afaik
  891. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> Just gsnedders's
  892. # [22:14] <jgraham> I'm not?
  893. # [22:15] <jgraham> I just pulled the code from your bitbucket at least
  894. # [22:15] <Ms2ger> Not http://hg.hoppipolla.co.uk/hgwebdir.cgi/anolis/?
  895. # [22:15] <jgraham> No
  896. # [22:15] <Hixie_> i think the problem is all of the above, but i mainly blame python :-)
  897. # [22:16] <jgraham> Not sure that's fair
  898. # [22:16] <jgraham> Most of the performance critical parts are really C
  899. # [22:16] <Hixie_> well then e) the C code
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  901. # [22:16] <jgraham> (lxml/libxml2)
  902. # [22:17] <jgraham> Of course the overall struture of the program probably isn't optimal
  903. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> I'm pretty sure it isn't
  904. # [22:18] <kerp> anybody know of a proposal to get something like text-overflow: ellipsis for wrapped text? tell me I didn't dream this
  905. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> I still blame gsnedders, though :)
  906. # [22:19] <jgraham> So I'm sure that rewriting in go/haskell/rust could improve performance
  907. # [22:20] <jgraham> But so could optimising the exiting code
  908. # [22:20] <jgraham> And that wouldn't mean implementing a new HTML parser
  909. # [22:20] <Ms2ger> Hmm, maybe I could use hsivonen's translation-to-rust
  910. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> But then again, rust is dog slow
  911. # [22:21] <jgraham> Faster than python
  912. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> Right now?
  913. # [22:21] <jgraham> (can't say anything about hsivonen's autogenerated rust ofc)
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  915. # [22:22] <SimonSapin> Ms2ger: rust is slow, you mean runtime or just compilation?
  916. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> Runtime is the issue at hand
  917. # [22:22] <TabAtkins> kerp: What do you mean? ellipsis already works for wrapped text, though it's per-line.
  918. # [22:22] <jgraham> http://attractivechaos.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/performance-of-rust-and-dart-in-sudoku-solving/ is the only page I can see with both rust and python numbers
  919. # [22:23] <jgraham> And that's PyPy
  920. # [22:23] <jgraham> And Rust is still fast
  921. # [22:23] <jgraham> er
  922. # [22:24] <kerp> TabAtkins: what do you mean 'per-line'? I mean that text is truncated with ellipsis after some number of lines
  923. # [22:24] <jgraham> Also http://pcwalton.github.io/blog/2013/04/18/performance-of-sequential-rust-programs/ doesn't look too bad
  924. # [22:24] <TabAtkins> kerp: Okay, that's definitely been discussed, but hasn't made it into a spec yet.
  925. # [22:24] <jgraham> So [citation needed] on rust being very slow
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  927. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> The conversation in #rust just now :)
  928. # [22:24] <kerp> TabAtkins: that's what I thought. I guess the list archive just isn't indexed
  929. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> But to be fair, they were talking about C++
  930. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> kerp: No, it is. But it's also kinda terrible to search for.
  931. # [22:25] <kerp> TabAtkins: but what did you mean by 'wrapped ... per-line'?
  932. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> Look for "block-overflow"
  933. # [22:25] <kerp> thank you!
  934. # [22:25] <TabAtkins> kerp: text-overflow right now applies per-line. If any line overflows the box, it gets ellipsized.
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  936. # [22:26] <TabAtkins> Given normal text wrapping that won't normally occur, but it can if one word is extra long and it's a narrow element, for example.
  937. # [22:27] <kerp> I see
  938. # [22:27] <TabAtkins> kerp: Check out the examples at http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#text-overflow
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  940. # [22:27] <Ms2ger> jgraham, have I asked earlier if you guys had tests for box-sizing?
  941. # [22:27] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Maybe?
  942. # [22:27] <jgraham> I am trying to remember if that's the thing that zcorpan wrote a program to generate tests for
  943. # [22:28] <jgraham> And it made too many tests
  944. # [22:28] <jgraham> Maybe that was object-fit
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  946. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> Sounds like something that zcorpan would do
  947. # [22:30] * Ms2ger looks at the time, wanders off
  948. # [22:30] <jgraham> (that was object-fit)
  949. # [22:31] <jgraham> grep isn't returning anything promising yet
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  954. # [22:31] <Ms2ger> Will try to find another victim then, I guess
  955. # [22:31] <Ms2ger> Thanks for looking
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  967. # [22:36] <kerp> TabAtkins: no joy in mudville :/
  968. # [22:37] <TabAtkins> kerp: Dunno, man. I get results when searching my email for that.
  969. # [22:37] <kerp> subject?
  970. # [22:38] <kerp> since I've already put you to that much trouble :)
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  977. # [22:47] <gsnedders> jgraham: Bah, the parser is much quicker than it used to be!
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  979. # [22:48] <jgraham> gsnedders: If Hixie is using the parser then no wonder it is timing out
  980. # [22:48] <gsnedders> I thought Hixie_ was using the libxml2 parser?
  981. # [22:49] <gsnedders> The slowness of the rest of Anolis is really just Python being slow.
  982. # [22:49] <jgraham> He is
  983. # [22:50] <gsnedders> Should try running Anolis under PyPy with lxml-cffi
  984. # [22:50] <jgraham> Not really? Isn't it based on multiple passes over the tree for different options?
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  987. # [22:51] <jgraham> Would be interesting if it is actually stable
  988. # [22:52] <gsnedders> IIRC the actual time spent iterating is almost nothing; I did experiment with doing global passes of the tree but it gained almost nothing.
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  991. # [22:53] <gsnedders> jgraham: Only problem is lxml-cffi currently requires PyPy tip
  992. # [22:54] <TabAtkins> kerp: "block-overflow" ^_^
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  995. # [22:56] <kerp> TabAtkins: list archive search condenses that to "blockoverflow" and can't find either that or "block overflow" :/
  996. # [22:56] <TabAtkins> kerp: Never ever use the list archive.
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  998. # [22:56] <TabAtkins> do a google search with "site:http://lists.w3.org block-overflow"
  999. # [22:57] <TabAtkins> Yeah, first results on that are useful.
  1000. # [22:57] <kerp> ah. not lists.whatwg.org
  1001. # [22:57] <TabAtkins> kerp: That would certainly explain the lack of results, yes. ^_^
  1002. # [22:57] <kerp> :D
  1003. # [22:57] <TabAtkins> This is CSS stuff, it's done by the W3C.
  1004. # [22:58] * kerp derp
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  1006. # [23:00] <kerp> thanks for taking the time. was driving me crazy. I really hope this gets through
  1007. # [23:00] <TabAtkins> Yeah, me too.
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