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  24. # [00:34] <Hixie_> annevk: yt?
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  32. # [00:41] <Hixie_> section 3.2 of http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-hoehrmann-javascript-scheme-00.txt is awesome
  33. # [00:42] <Hixie_> it sounds fancy, but the four steps boil down to:
  34. # [00:42] <Hixie_> 1. get the data
  35. # [00:42] <Hixie_> 2. figure out what to do with the data
  36. # [00:42] <Hixie_> 3. do it, and remember the result
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  38. # [00:42] <Hixie_> 4. process the result
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  40. # [00:42] <Hixie_> (with no more detail than that, except step 1 points to an algorithm to say how to get the data)
  41. # [00:43] <Hixie_> section 3.1 is the only section of that spec that's not trivial
  42. # [00:43] <Hixie_> let's see if it's right...
  43. # [00:45] <Hixie_> uh oh, i might need to hand-parse the URL field
  44. # [00:45] <Hixie_> that ought to be fun
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  54. # [01:03] <annevk-cloud> waking up… yeah, that's basically what I got out of that RFC
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  56. # [01:04] <annevk-cloud> you should be able to use the URL parser and do the scheme comparison and then if javascript pass scheme data, query, and fragment along for further processing
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  62. # [01:10] <Hixie_> annevk: yeah, looking at url parser now
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  65. # [01:12] <Hixie_> annevk: what does "If c is none of EOF code point, U+0009, U+000A, and U+000D, utf-8 percent encode c using the simple encode set, and append the result to url's scheme data." mean?
  66. # [01:13] <Hixie_> oh, i see, "simple encode set" isn't that simple
  67. # [01:13] <Hixie_> it's more like the "non-ascii encode set"
  68. # [01:15] <Hixie_> hm, is there some algorithm i can call that figures out if "fragment" is the empty string or null and does the right thing accordingly to reconcatenate scheme data, query, and fragment and then percent decode them?
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  73. # [01:23] <annevk-cloud> Hixie_: i can write one
  74. # [01:23] <annevk-cloud> makes sense for other schemes too so should prolly be there
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  77. # [01:30] <annevk-cloud> Fetch already treats javascript as network error fwiw
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  82. # [01:36] <Hixie_> annevk-cloud: i can do it. how about an algorithm for percent-decode-utf-8-decode?
  83. # [01:36] <Hixie_> nothing like that yet either?
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  85. # [01:39] <annevk-cloud> guess not
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  87. # [01:39] <annevk-cloud> please file bugs and assume i'll fix them :)
  88. # [01:39] <Hixie_> nah, these are easy
  89. # [01:39] <Hixie_> i'm just lazy :-)
  90. # [01:39] <Hixie_> took me less time to write that than it did for you to answer :-)
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  92. # [01:40] <annevk-cloud> well, these might make sense for other urls too
  93. # [01:40] <annevk-cloud> heh
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  100. # [01:42] <Hixie_> does javascript strip leading BOMs automatically?
  101. # [01:42] <Hixie_> or do i need to do that for javascript: specifically?
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  103. # [01:44] <Hixie_> hm, wow, <body onload="&#xFFFE;w('test')"> does work
  104. # [01:44] <Hixie_> so I guess I don't have to do it, javascript must be doing it
  105. # [01:45] <annevk> in JS a BOM is whitespace iirc
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  107. # [01:45] <annevk> not in JSON though
  108. # [01:47] <Hixie_> ah
  109. # [01:47] <Hixie_> fun
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  125. # [02:24] <TabAtkins> Anyone know if there's some overriding reason the SVGWG hasnt' started their meeting yet?
  126. # [02:24] <TabAtkins> It was supposed to start almost half an hour ago. :/
  127. # [02:25] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: no idea but I guess it could be they decided to start late due to being out late last night
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  129. # [02:26] <TabAtkins> Ah, didn't know they did. Plus, it looks like they don't have any agenda for the last 1.5 hours, so I guess starting an hour or so late is okay.
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  131. # [02:27] <MikeSmith> I dunno if they were actually out late last night but I know there was a contigent that was last night and maybe included some of them
  132. # [02:27] <MikeSmith> anyway, I'll ping Doug I guess
  133. # [02:27] <MikeSmith> ah he's not on IRC
  134. # [02:27] <heycam> TabAtkins, yeah pretty much
  135. # [02:27] <heycam> TabAtkins, not everyone is here yet, but we'll start in a few minutes
  136. # [02:27] <TabAtkins> Okay, cool.
  137. # [02:28] <TabAtkins> Not a problem, I was just curious. ^_^
  138. # [02:28] <TabAtkins> I'm just drinking and videogaming right now anyway, so wtv
  139. # [02:28] <annevk> spotted a chair in the German beer thing earlier last night
  140. # [02:28] <MikeSmith> oh the other thing is the hotel apparently announced just yesterday that they unilaterally changed the check-out time for today to 9 am (from 12 noon)
  141. # [02:29] <MikeSmith> so there was a long line of people this morning trying to check out by 9am
  142. # [02:29] <MikeSmith> which line I personally avoided by just not bothering to try to check out at 9am
  143. # [02:30] <MikeSmith> since as far as I'm concerned my checkout time is still 12noon
  144. # [02:30] <annevk> +1
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  166. # [02:58] <Hixie_> MikeSmith: you can't check out from the room tv?
  167. # [03:00] <MikeSmith> Hixie_: hah
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  169. # [03:00] <MikeSmith> not here
  170. # [03:00] <MikeSmith> especially not at this hotel
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  172. # [03:04] <Hixie_> i have never been so happy to have not gone to a tpac
  173. # [03:04] <Hixie_> between the horror stories about the location and hotel and the horror stories on w3cmemes... :-)
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  178. # [03:08] <MikeSmith> this hotel is a much worse joke than some of worst jokes that went out from w3cmemes last night
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  183. # [03:12] <jgraham_> MikeSmith: Don't hold back, tell us what you really think
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  185. # [03:14] <jgraham_> To be fair the hotel did have some positive qualities. The showers were nice
  186. # [03:14] <jgraham_> OTOH the beds seemed to be made of granite
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  195. # [03:29] <sangwhan__> i'm surprised nobody made a meme about the 9am check out nonsense
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  210. # [04:02] <TabAtkins> MikeSmith: You in the Wuzhou Guest House?
  211. # [04:03] <TabAtkins> I didn't have a choice about my hotels - I literally could not book the Wuzhou. They had three different mechanisms to prevent me from entering required information into one of the forms.
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  219. # [04:14] -myakura:#whatwg- 9am checkout!? wtf
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  233. # [04:24] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: yeah, Wuzhou Guest House
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  238. # [04:36] <annevk> wait TabAtkins, you're here?
  239. # [04:37] <TabAtkins> No, but I had gotten a plane and hotel reservation before I had to cancel.
  240. # [04:37] <annevk> ah
  241. # [04:38] <annevk> So why does Google still not support 9am Toronto converted to London?
  242. # [04:38] <annevk> "9AM Toronto converted to London" as query that is
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  244. # [04:39] <SimonSapin> annevk: well, that may be ambiguous, depending on the date, with DST and all
  245. # [04:40] <annevk> SimonSapin: same day would be fine
  246. # [04:40] <annevk> SimonSapin: maybe with some warnings around dates where it changes
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  257. # [04:51] <zewt> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9am+toronto+in+london+time
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  592. # [17:50] <Hixie_> anyone able to translate https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23387 ?
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  599. # [17:57] <GPHemsley> What's this I hear about WebRTC not supporting conference calls?
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  601. # [17:58] <GPHemsley> Hixie_: With a name like "Gotta Getmedat", are you sure he's not just yanking your chain?
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  605. # [18:02] <Hixie_> GPHemsley: i've no idea
  606. # [18:03] * GPHemsley didn't bother to read any of the words beyond that.
  607. # [18:03] <Hixie_> GPHemsley: if they are, it's not a very good yanking, since i've just no idea what it means
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  609. # [18:03] <GPHemsley> ah
  610. # [18:03] <Hixie_> (which is why sometimes i wontfix bugs i filed...)
  611. # [18:03] <GPHemsley> one of those table-reading things, I guess ;)
  612. # [18:03] <Hixie_> table-reading?
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  614. # [18:08] <GPHemsley> which headers are read first
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  642. # [18:46] <zcorpan> anyone have a bright idea on how to detect that a navigation is *not* happening, in a reliable way that doesn't use timeouts?
  643. # [18:46] <zcorpan> i want to test e.g. <area>.click() and see that it navigates an iframe to the right place, but i don't want to wait for the test to time out if there was no navigation
  644. # [18:48] <zcorpan> so there are various things the spec does on navigation, like aborting fetches, so maybe i can insert an <img> to the document just before i do the click() and if the img receives a load event, that means that the navigation failed. but i'm not confident that that isn't racy
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  652. # [19:08] <zcorpan> or open a websocket and see if it gets an open event
  653. # [19:10] <zcorpan> but the cleanup steps happen async while the fetch abort steps should be sync per spec, i think
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  659. # [19:20] <gsnedders> I can't think of any way of doing that. You can probably abuse the details of the document loading steps, but nobody implements them so probably not that useful.
  660. # [19:20] <gsnedders> Well, unless you care about testing Zombie-Presto.
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  662. # [19:22] <gsnedders> Huh, I'm getting www.dropbox.com failing cert validation; somehow got a cert for *.opendns.com. he hell.
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  665. # [19:25] <zcorpan> yeah it would be a bit easier to reason about what will happen if the spec was actually implemented :-| it looks like blink does what i think should happen for <img>, but gecko doesn't abort the img load early
  666. # [19:26] <zcorpan> if i attempt a new nagivation immediately after click() (using window.location), then that navigation is ignored in gecko but is not ignored in blink
  667. # [19:26] <zcorpan> but don't worry, the web has proven this is interoperable
  668. # [19:29] <gsnedders> Oh. So without HTTPS Everywhere, dropbox loads to OpenDNS block page.
  669. # [19:29] <gsnedders> I just want to download a small file. ;_;
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  671. # [19:32] <gsnedders> Well, I guess that's not unreasonable given the on-train wifi often gets 1KB/s, or less.
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  677. # [19:36] <TabAtkins> Oh good god, FAA finally updated its regs about small electronics.
  678. # [19:37] <TabAtkins> I'd heard rumbles, but just got an email from my main carrier with the details.
  679. # [19:37] <TabAtkins> Fucking finally.
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  682. # [19:38] <ebollens> Yup they finally did the no duh thing
  683. # [19:38] <ebollens> Now it's just on the carriers to implement the changes.
  684. # [19:40] <TabAtkins> Right. US is properly updated now, at least on its mainline flights.
  685. # [19:40] <TabAtkins> And that's all I care about.
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  721. # [20:54] <dglazkov> mrbkap: got a sec?
  722. # [20:55] <dglazkov> mrbkap: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23778 penny for your thought
  723. # [20:57] <mrbkap> dglazkov: looking.
  724. # [20:57] <mrbkap> dglazkov: I was just about to ping you!
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  727. # [21:00] <mrbkap> dglazkov: I have to go to lunch. I'll comment in the bug.
  728. # [21:00] <dglazkov> mrbkap: lunches are important. I probably need to do that too.
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  730. # [21:01] <mrbkap> dglazkov: What should the result of https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3611161 be?
  731. # [21:09] <dglazkov> mrbkap: it should throw NotSupportedError when trying to register
  732. # [21:10] <dglazkov> mrbkap: http://www.w3.org/TR/custom-elements/#dfn-custom-element-constructor-generation
  733. # [21:10] <dglazkov> mrbkap: step 1
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  736. # [21:11] <Ms2ger> tr/, eh
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  748. # [21:44] <xxtjaxx> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=277192 .o(Why am I doing this to me...)
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