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  6. # [00:04] <zewt> webgl is definitely not the "future of the web", it's a useful feature but just that
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  12. # [00:11] <Hixie> zewt: it's in the future
  13. # [00:11] <Hixie> zewt: of the web
  14. # [00:11] <Hixie> zewt: as are many things.
  15. # [00:13] <zewt> in the future, sure; the future, not so much
  16. # [00:15] <Hixie> i don't know what it would mean for something to be "the future" of what basically underpins the world's information economy
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  18. # [00:15] <cabanier> Hixie: :-)
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  56. # [02:01] <dekiss> zewt :))
  57. # [02:01] <dekiss> <zewt> webgl is definitely not the "future of the web", it's a useful feature but just that
  58. # [02:02] <dekiss> webgl is part of the future of the web yes
  59. # [02:02] <dekiss> big part
  60. # [02:02] <dekiss> future websites will be in 3d
  61. # [02:03] <dekiss> it is very funny how when finally whole world have optic internet network connection webgl will demand graphic cards not bandwidth :DDDD
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  63. # [02:04] <dekiss> the only reason today website are not in 3d is lack of browser support for webgl for mobiles ie opera etc. and becasue he computers today are not coming with graphic cards when this will change in the next 5-6 years webgl will dominate and most of the website will be in 3d
  64. # [02:05] <dekiss> websites*
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  66. # [02:07] <zewt> (the fact that 3d has nothing to do with most websites might be a bit of a factor as well)
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  68. # [02:09] <dekiss> hahah
  69. # [02:09] <dekiss> zewt you have a point
  70. # [02:10] <dekiss> ok most of the websites will want at least of the shiny webgl cookie on their website
  71. # [02:10] <dekiss> ok most of the websites will want at least small piece* of the shiny webgl cookie on their website
  72. # [02:10] <dekiss> zewt ok we disagree on this topic lets move on :)
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  75. # [02:22] <gavinc> based on recent job fairs and interviews it is the future of every single Look at me! Look at me! demo project
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  79. # [02:28] <dekiss> gavin um which demo?
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  297. # [15:22] <smaug____> er, not that one
  298. # [15:22] <smaug____> but the one which added resize to <video>
  299. # [15:24] <smaug____> I don't see why that all was changed
  300. # [15:24] * smaug____ could be missing some email
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  325. # [17:06] <zewt> http://www.elementcase.com/iPhone-5-s/136.htm for as much as they charge for their products, they sure didn't spend much on their <title>
  326. # [17:06] <jgraham> In what sense is gecko the only browser with a bfcache? I thought this was something that everyone had? How does gecko differ from wat presto ha[s|d] and what blink has?
  327. # [17:06] <zewt> webkit doesn't have anything at all like firefox's bfcache, as far as I understand what bfcache is
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  330. # [17:14] <jgraham> Oh. But Opera did it first, right?
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  332. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> Land on the moon?
  333. # [17:20] <jgraham> Opera landed on the moon so long ago that the O-logo branding they left behind is often mistaken for craters
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  341. # [17:44] <jwalden> zewt: bfcache definitely was in webkit before Gecko, we added it (and brendan pushed on us to land it without delaying long enough to have a reasonably clean implementation) because they had it already
  342. # [17:44] <jwalden> bz is still bitter about that
  343. # [17:44] <jwalden> but perhaps it was always going to be fugly, because docshell
  344. # [17:45] <zewt> jwalden: i never see it, then, but maybe i'm thinking of something else
  345. # [17:45] <zewt> firefox keeps the previous page (or pages) in each tab alive, so browser back goes back immediately; chrome always reloads the page
  346. # [17:45] <zewt> or at least visibly rerenders
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  348. # [17:47] * jwalden consults https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=blazinglyfastback
  349. # [17:48] <zewt> maybe chrome turns it off in more cases, which gives me the impression that it doesn't have it?
  350. # [17:48] <jwalden> maybe?
  351. # [17:48] <jwalden> these days I think pages have a lot more onload/ununload/onbeforeunload handlers or whichever, and those handlers disable bfcache
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  356. # [17:52] <zewt> err, if it disables it if there's an onload handler then yeah it wouldn't work for most sites
  357. # [17:52] <zewt> firefox doesn't do that
  358. # [17:52] <zewt> (on a quick test)
  359. # [17:55] <jgraham> It should just be unload handlers
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  361. # [17:57] <smaug____> jwalden: bfcache was in Gecko before webkit
  362. # [17:57] <zewt> chrome does seem to have bfcache for simple pages and then turn it off if i add an onload
  363. # [17:58] <zewt> (but every site in the world has an onload)
  364. # [17:58] <jgraham> jwalden: That bug doesn't mention webkit (and iirc predates webkit being a serious engine)
  365. # [17:58] <jgraham> It does mention Opera however
  366. # [17:58] <jgraham> I am pretty sure that this really is a case where Opera did it first
  367. # [17:59] <zewt> it does seem like an opera-y thing
  368. # [17:59] <jgraham> But it would be really surprising if WebKit/Blink don't do this given what a noise they make about perf.
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  372. # [18:10] <jwalden> hum
  373. # [18:11] <jwalden> I really don't remember it not being a webkit thing at the time, strange
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  378. # [18:26] <dekiss> can I put img element in h2?
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  380. # [18:33] <dekiss> I guess I can?
  381. # [18:33] <dekiss> at least validator says so
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  384. # [18:34] <toss2> interesting
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  492. # [21:48] <matjas> annevk: https://github.com/jwerle/libutf8 — “A whatwg compliant UTF8 encoding and decoding library based on http://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/”
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  500. # [21:57] <matjas> so http://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/#utf-8 allows lone surrogates, that’s unexpected
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  505. # [22:09] <annevk-cloud> matjas: the encoder you mean? It expects scalar values
  506. # [22:10] <annevk-cloud> Going to be fixed at some point
  507. # [22:11] <matjas> annevk: where does it say that? what happens in case a lone surrogate is part of the input for the encoder
  508. # [22:11] <annevk-cloud> Many choices as to how
  509. # [22:11] <matjas> ah ok, not yet in the spec
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  511. # [22:12] <annevk-cloud> Invalid input at the moment, like passing bytes where strings are expected
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  513. # [22:16] <matjas> oh, so it does say it’s invalid input atm? where?
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  518. # [22:23] <matjas> in that case https://github.com/jwerle/libutf8/blob/5941ddcbfd86b69cc3b8519aba62619b0dcf63b1/test/decode.c#L180-L185 is incorrect
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