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  5. # [00:01] <ZiNC> What warranty is there to public domain?
  6. # [00:02] <JonathanNeal> Public domain is my way of not dealing with any of that, and ensuring that other’s don’t complicate it either.
  7. # [00:02] <gsnedders> ZiNC: Depends on what country you're in
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  9. # [00:03] <ZiNC> Source or target? :) Just seems odd there'd be any warranty to random code you release for free.
  10. # [00:03] <gsnedders> ZiNC: Most of the implied warranties in most juristictions apply only to sales.
  11. # [00:04] <ZiNC> That's what I'd expect.
  12. # [00:04] <JonathanNeal> I had an issue with MIT attribution. Someone worried folks might be technically breaking the license every time they forked the project. And then there’s another infamous story I’d rather not get into where people were acting rather threatening toward me when I changed the language of a forked project.
  13. # [00:05] <gsnedders> JonathanNeal: I'll also point out wrt public domain that not all juristictions allow one to put something into the public domain.
  14. # [00:06] <JonathanNeal> gsnedders: I did not know that! Anything in particular I should know about that? I apply a lot of JS to public domain.
  15. # [00:06] <ZiNC> How can that be?
  16. # [00:07] <gsnedders> In quite a few juristictions "public domain" only exists as a state that works pass into after author's life + 70 (or more) years.
  17. # [00:08] <gsnedders> And there's no concept of disowning copyright of a work
  18. # [00:08] <ZiNC> You can always release anonymously. :)
  19. # [00:09] <gsnedders> But you still own copyright.
  20. # [00:10] <gsnedders> Ability to release anonymously or pseudononymously is one of the irrevoccable moral rights granting to the author by the Berne Convention.
  21. # [00:10] <gsnedders> JonathanNeal: If you're concerned about it, see CC0.
  22. # [00:11] <gsnedders> (IANAL, etc.)
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  25. # [00:15] <JonathanNeal> SimonSapin, MikeSmith, thanks again. I’ve updated https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/9309367 to reflect some of the information and links you gave me.
  26. # [00:16] <SamB> yeah, CC0 is a public domain dedication with failover to a simple permissive license, which is about the best that can be done
  27. # [00:19] <SamB> modulo the details of constructing the license so that it will be considered legal everywhere but still provide as much freedom as possible
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  29. # [00:28] <SamB> anyway, I just reported <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24893> ...
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  83. # [04:30] <Hixie> SamB: what do you want to do with the resources?
  84. # [04:34] <SamB> Well, logo.svg would look nice on the WHATWG article, obviously, though I guess it could be done as "fair use" on en.wp ...
  85. # [04:39] <SamB> (note that commons doesn't seem to require any trademark-related rituals)
  86. # [04:44] <SamB> of all the pointless ...
  87. # [04:44] <SamB> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico" />
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  89. # [04:47] <Hixie> pretty sure that would just be fair use regardless of copyright
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  92. # [04:51] <SamB> but that's only actually allowed on the English wikipedia
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  103. # [05:23] <SamB> hmm, you guys haven't been keeping the PNGs up to date ...
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  108. # [05:59] <zewt> well, "fair use" isn't something that exists everywhere
  109. # [06:00] <zewt> as I (incompletely) understand things
  110. # [06:05] <SamB> zewt: yes, that would be why it's not allowed on the other wikipedias. even though they're all hosted in the US.
  111. # [06:06] <zewt> shouldn't be allowed on any of them
  112. # [06:08] <SamB> well, it's not FUN on any of them
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  124. # [07:33] <SamB> its's too bad PNG only supports up to 256-entry palettes ...
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  148. # [08:45] <SamB> hmm, rsvg does not grok logo-xhr.png ...
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  193. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> foolip: could you review a MediaSource test?
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  201. # [12:00] <foolip> MikeSmith: I could try
  202. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> foolip: cool, gimme a minute I'll get you the critic URL
  203. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> foolip: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/911
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  205. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> actual PR is https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/708
  206. # [12:04] <foolip> MikeSmith: oh look, you're the author
  207. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> heh
  208. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> foolip: yeah should I have disclosed that first?
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  211. # [12:24] <foolip> MikeSmith: not really, I just assumed things :)
  212. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> :-)
  213. # [12:31] <foolip> MikeSmith: you should ask Ms2ger for review as well
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  215. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> No you shouldn't ;)
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  218. # [12:36] <foolip> MikeSmith: you have some issues to look at now anyway :)
  219. # [12:37] <MikeSmith> foolip: cool -- thanks much
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  223. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, see html/dom/interfaces.html, fwiw
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  225. # [13:04] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: yeah I've looked at it before
  226. # [13:05] <MikeSmith> I will look at it more
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  238. # [13:56] <MikeSmith> foolip: Thanks -- from your review comments I realize I can simplify the test quite a bit (since after all it really only needs to test the IDL support). So I'll make the change you suggested about putting all of the setup in an async test and running the IDL tests after that's done. (And push a change later for re-review but I think that next review won't cost much time.)
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  499. # [21:43] <Ms2ger> <doctype !html>
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  514. # [22:07] <SamB> where do I report a bug in <http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/paths.html#PathData> ...
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  517. # [22:08] <heycam> SamB, please report bugs to www-svg@w3.org but note that nobody really looks at /TR/SVGMobile2 -- check http://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/paths.html instead
  518. # [22:08] <SamB> heycam: ah
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  521. # [22:15] <SamB> anyway, it seems to refer to both "instructions" and "commands" without making it clear what, if anything, is the difference between them
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  525. # [22:18] <arunranga> Hi Ms2ger, are you around?
  526. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> Briefly
  527. # [22:19] <heycam> SamB, (without looking) no difference
  528. # [22:19] <heycam> I wonder: are there any specs that define !important UA style sheet rules?
  529. # [22:19] <arunranga> You recently closed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978924 but even your test case shows inconsistencies in event firing across browsers. I've changed the spec., but I think the bug still stands.
  530. # [22:20] <arunranga> I think your test case should be added to it.
  531. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> arunranga, yeah, Chrome is wrong, it dispatches async
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  550. # [23:00] <Domenic_> Hixie: http://esdiscuss.org/topic/es6-tasks-and-taskqueues#content-3
  551. # [23:01] <Hixie> microtasks only have one queue per event loop, btw
  552. # [23:02] <Hixie> as far as HTML goes, i have no desire to pretend it's distinct from ES... my goal was to hook in the ES spec into the HTML spec
  553. # [23:02] <Hixie> by making use of hooks provided by the ES spec
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  556. # [23:03] <Domenic_> oh i thought there were several microtasks queues last i looked ... custom elements, then table sorting, then mutation observers, etc.
  557. # [23:03] <Hixie> they're all getting collapsed into one
  558. # [23:03] <Domenic_> i feel like that order is a bit strange given how underspecified ES is
  559. # [23:03] <Domenic_> ah cool
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  561. # [23:04] <Hixie> i'm waiting for mutation observers to jump onte the train before doing table sorting
  562. # [23:04] <Domenic_> has anyone even announced intent to implement table sorting? :( :( :(
  563. # [23:05] <Hixie> no :-(
  564. # [23:05] <Hixie> tons of author demand, though
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  567. # [23:07] <Domenic_> siiigh
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  596. # [23:51] <rafaelw> Domenic_: ping.
  597. # [23:52] <rafaelw> (about es6 task vs microtask issue)
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