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  22. # [01:01] <SamB> hmm, someone needs to replace the IANA registration for .ico files ... they're currently registered as http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/image/vnd.microsoft.icon :-(
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  67. # [03:01] <KevinMarks> Do you still use .ico?
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  70. # [03:03] <MikeSmith> JonathanNeal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0180.html
  71. # [03:04] <MikeSmith> KevinMarks: ↑☃
  72. # [03:06] <KevinMarks> Hm so I need to join that mailing list to talk about fragmentions?
  73. # [03:06] * KevinMarks is seeing lots of very cumbersome linking models
  74. # [03:08] <MikeSmith> KevinMarks: you can subscribe to the list but there's not much talk about fragmentions on there at this point
  75. # [03:09] <KevinMarks> I was going to bring it up on whatwg once we had it working in practice for a bit
  76. # [03:09] <MikeSmith> yeah whatwg list always works
  77. # [03:10] <MikeSmith> KevinMarks: I was just pointing that out as a data point about potential standardization movement in this area
  78. # [03:10] <KevinMarks> Yes, I was at the w3c annotation meeting, that was what set me off thinking about it
  79. # [03:10] <MikeSmith> shepazu driving that, as far as W3C goes
  80. # [03:10] <MikeSmith> KevinMarks: ah ok
  81. # [03:12] <KevinMarks> But they seem to be doing the gigantic satisfy all use cases with lashings of rdf in three years type WG
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  83. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> KevinMarks: yeah that's part of the W3C tax
  84. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> that's hard to avoid sometimes when trying to get work done at the W3C
  85. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> but I think shepazu is savvy enough to know how to contain it
  86. # [03:16] <MikeSmith> mitigate the costs
  87. # [03:17] <MikeSmith> anyway, I think we could specify the addressing stuff just in the webapps wg
  88. # [03:18] <MikeSmith> which is one relatively non-pathological WG at W3C
  89. # [03:18] <MikeSmith> and free from the RDF disease
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  124. # [04:59] <JonathanNeal> Great, I hope we can get Doug’s feedback on fragmentions.
  125. # [04:59] <JonathanNeal> Thanks for sharing, MikeSmith
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  144. # [06:08] <SamB> hmm, the Status on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-controls/current-work/ seems kind of innacurate ...
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  358. # [22:01] <rniwa> Ms2ger: hi Ms2ger!
  359. # [22:02] <Ms2ger> Uh oh
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  361. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> rniwa, what's up?
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  363. # [22:06] <rniwa> Ms2ger: nah, just saying hi
  364. # [22:06] <rniwa> othermaciej: hi othermaciej!
  365. # [22:07] <othermaciej> hello rniwa!
  366. # [22:07] <rniwa> Ms2ger: we should talk about what to do with innerText at some point though...
  367. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> My position is still "not going to implement in Gecko or Servo" :)
  368. # [22:08] <rniwa> othermaciej: lol
  369. # [22:08] <rniwa> Ms2ger: ^
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  371. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> Unless you get google.com to depend on it, I guess :)
  372. # [22:08] <rniwa> Ms2ger: I do think innerText is a useful feature though
  373. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> That'll depend on which implementation of it you mean :)
  374. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> s/<br>/\n/ doesn't seem too useful, and going full CSS... Not sure that's worth the complexity
  375. # [22:10] <rniwa> Ms2ger: going full CSS of course
  376. # [22:10] <othermaciej> Ms2ger: plaintext conversion is a useful feature
  377. # [22:10] <rniwa> Ms2ger: i agree s/<br>/\n/ won’t be useful
  378. # [22:10] <othermaciej> Ms2ger: you could debate whether innerText is the best way to expose it
  379. # [22:10] <othermaciej> Ms2ger: but it doesn’t otherwise exist in the platform
  380. # [22:11] <othermaciej> I feel like exposing what you do when you paste as plaintext (e.g. “Paste and Match Style” on Mac) is useful
  381. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> I'm not denying it could be useful, just not sure if it's worth the cost, personally
  382. # [22:11] <othermaciej> you could argue that you can only get that conversion as a side effect of a user-initiated paste, but that seems against the Extensible Web Manifesto
  383. # [22:12] <othermaciej> well, at least for Mac browsers, it’s functionality that needs to exist anyway
  384. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> Also, not sure if all consumers would be happy with the exact same functionality
  385. # [22:12] <othermaciej> the only question is whether to give it explicit API surface
  386. # [22:12] <othermaciej> I am not sufficiently familiar with Windows to know if it has the ability to explicitly paste as plaintext
  387. # [22:13] <rniwa> Ms2ger: I definitely agree with the complexity argument
  388. # [22:13] <othermaciej> I know the native Mail client on Mac has “convert to plaintext”, as does the text editor
  389. # [22:13] <othermaciej> it might be that web apps offering equivalent functionality prefer to do it by hand
  390. # [22:13] <rniwa> Ms2ger: if Servo can get away with not having innerText, maybe we just need to leave it up to UA to implement in accordance with the host platform
  391. # [22:14] <othermaciej> is the complexity about implementation or spec?
  392. # [22:14] <rniwa> othermaciej: perhaps we need some API to help that?
  393. # [22:14] <Ms2ger> If Gecko can get away with it now, I don't know why Servo wouldn't be able to :)
  394. # [22:14] <rniwa> othermaciej: i think implementation & spec.
  395. # [22:15] <Ms2ger> And testing and attack surface, as usual
  396. # [22:16] <othermaciej> I was going to say Gecko on Mac doesn’t seem to support Paste and Match Style
  397. # [22:16] <othermaciej> but on the other hand, it seems to only support plaintext paste, even in a contentEditable area
  398. # [22:16] <Ms2ger> (I don't know that feature)
  399. # [22:18] <othermaciej> it can’t even paste styled text from another firefox window
  400. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> It might still be worth doing despite the costs, of course; I'm definitely not going to make that call for Gecko
  401. # [22:18] <othermaciej> only from the same editable area afaict
  402. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> Just don't try to sell it on web-compat :)
  403. # [22:18] * Ms2ger is off for a bit
  404. # [22:20] <othermaciej> it would be useful to have data on how many pages as-actually-browsed use it to see if there is really web compat value
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