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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 01 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  4. # [00:29] <TabAtkins> Hixie: How is your WebIDL processed? Does your pipeline parse it and add markup or something, or is it all done manually?
  5. # [00:29] <Hixie> right now i just have some poor man's regexp
  6. # [00:29] <Hixie> but my plan is to actually parse it
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  10. # [00:31] <TabAtkins> Okay.
  11. # [00:31] <TabAtkins> You're not using Python, so Peter's widlparser project won't help you, but it might be useful to look at for reference.
  12. # [00:32] <TabAtkins> I was wondering because it's the main thing that needs to be marked up to make Bikeshed happy.
  13. # [00:33] <Hixie> marked up how?
  14. # [00:50] <TabAtkins> With a data-dfn-type attribute, so Shepherd knows whether the dfns are for interface names, method names, attributes, dicts, etc.
  15. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> And for things like attributes, a data-dfn-for giving the name of the interface they belong to, to allow collision resolution.
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  19. # [00:56] <roc> annevk: fullscreen bugs aren't the highlight of my day, but I do like to be helpful
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  28. # [01:08] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i don't expect to add any attributes that aren't useful for the end user, since those are just going to use up bytes on the wire. But I could make a dedicated file in the appropriate format.
  29. # [01:08] <Hixie> TabAtkins: anyway, file a bug with precise details on what you want
  30. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> Yeah, filing it now.
  31. # [01:09] <Hixie> thanks
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  114. # [05:51] <annevk> roc: heh, you are!
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  181. # [08:52] <foolip> Hixie: pong, I've moved it up on my todo list
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  185. # [08:59] <annevk> I wonder if DreamHost has MySQL 5.5 now so I can do this: http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4
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  187. # [09:00] <annevk> Using an emoji required a character reference :/
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  194. # [09:08] <foolip> annevk: the new exitFullscreen() doesn't actually sync fullscreenchange events with the resize
  195. # [09:09] <foolip> like requestFullscreen(), the "as part of the next animation frame task" needs to be the first step after "resize"
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  197. # [09:10] <annevk> foolip: I thought resize -> change state for request meant change state -> resize for exit, but yeah, I guess
  198. # [09:10] <annevk> foolip: there's the thing though that you don't always resize
  199. # [09:11] <annevk> foolip: and you only resize one you you realize the stack is empty
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  201. # [09:11] <annevk> foolip: and you don't know about that until you start popping it
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  203. # [09:13] <foolip> yes, it'll be a bit complicated
  204. # [09:13] <foolip> do you have an idea, or should I think hard?
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  206. # [09:14] <annevk> my idea was to do the resize afterwards :)
  207. # [09:14] <foolip> that'll lead to flicker and scripts seeing an inconsistent state though
  208. # [09:14] <annevk> open a bug and I can give it another go I suppose
  209. # [09:15] <foolip> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26440 is still open, I'll comment
  210. # [09:15] <annevk> I guess we can figure out whether the stack will be empty upfront
  211. # [09:16] <annevk> although we'll also have to determine it for all ancestor browsing contexts, lots of cross-process shit
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  213. # [09:16] <annevk> but I decided not to worry about those things anymore, at least not too hard
  214. # [09:16] <foolip> right, I saw the note :)
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  216. # [09:18] <foolip> right now there is no browser with out-of-process iframes I think, so no one will notice if the model is broken until later
  217. # [09:18] <foolip> yay?
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  219. # [09:18] <foolip> synchronous IPC does exist, so maybe it'll be fine
  220. # [09:18] <annevk> the Servo crowd will not like me
  221. # [09:19] <foolip> so ask them to review this stuff!
  222. # [09:19] <foolip> Presto was single-process single-threaded, so what do I know? :)
  223. # [09:19] <annevk> Yeah I should I guess, I keep forgetting who I should ping, maybe SimonSapin can help out
  224. # [09:19] <annevk> Presto had its own magic
  225. # [09:20] <foolip> yeah...
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  231. # [09:25] <mathiasbynens> annevk: $ mysql --version
  232. # [09:25] <mathiasbynens> mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.73, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.1
  233. # [09:25] <mathiasbynens> :(
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  236. # [09:26] <annevk> sad times
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  241. # [09:27] <zcorpan> Hixie: if the preloader can't evaluate a mq it doesn't preload anything. that was a requirement in the spec before the HTML merge
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  246. # [09:33] <annevk> mathiasbynens: did you ever research why utf8 was so bad in the first place?
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  249. # [09:36] <foolip> annevk: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26440#c11
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  252. # [09:45] <SimonSapin> annevk: ?
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  254. # [09:49] <SimonSapin> annevk: what about Servo / how can I help?
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  256. # [09:51] <mathiasbynens> annevk: nope, but my guess would be incompetence
  257. # [09:51] <SimonSapin> annevk: Do you mean not-really-utf8-in-mysql? Apparently at the time when Unicode was only the BMP, UTF-8 only needed up to 3 bytes per code point
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  260. # [10:01] <annevk> SimonSapin: I'd like whoever works on out-of-process iframes to look at Fullscreen
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  263. # [10:03] <annevk> foolip: currently step 3.4.3 has a loop when popping that you miss
  264. # [10:03] <SimonSapin> ok. Any point specifically?
  265. # [10:04] <annevk> SimonSapin: I guess whereever the source code says "cross-process"
  266. # [10:04] <annevk> SimonSapin: it's whenever frame boundaries are crossed so any talk about browsing context is suspect
  267. # [10:05] <SimonSapin> ok
  268. # [10:11] <foolip> annevk: I thought you would say that. Why not just remove elements from the middle of the stack when they're removed from the document?
  269. # [10:12] <annevk> foolip: makes sense, I wonder why I forgot about that, I'll clean that up first
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  273. # [10:26] <annevk> foolip: I thought I wrote "ordered set" in the spec, fixing that now
  274. # [10:27] <foolip> annevk: thanks for fixing things so promptly!
  275. # [10:28] <foolip> let's hope there's enough time to implement and ship it with the next release
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  303. # [11:38] <mathiasbynens> SimonSapin: are you sure MySQL’s `utf8` was implemented way back then?
  304. # [11:38] <SimonSapin> no idea, just a guess
  305. # [11:40] <mathiasbynens> “Up to and including TUS 3.0.1, characters were assigned only in the BMP. In TUS 3.1, characters were assigned in the Supplementary Planes for the first time, in Planes 1, 2 and 14.”
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  307. # [11:40] <mathiasbynens> Unicode 3.1.0 == March 2001
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  309. # [11:42] <mathiasbynens> can’t seem to find when MySQL added its `utf8` implementation though
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  311. # [11:47] <annevk> but it was known from Unicode 2 that could happen
  312. # [11:47] <annevk> but yeah, makes sense I suppose
  313. # [11:48] <annevk> but that it takes a decade to fix...
  314. # [11:49] <mathiasbynens> https://web.archive.org/web/20040612104116/http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Charset-Unicode.html
  315. # [11:49] <mathiasbynens> “As of MySQL version 4.1, there are two new character sets for storing Unicode data: `ucs2` [… and] `utf8`”
  316. # [11:49] <mathiasbynens> there we go
  317. # [11:50] <mathiasbynens> MySQL 4.1 was released in October 2004
  318. # [11:50] <mathiasbynens> so yeah, incompetence
  319. # [11:51] <annevk> mounir_: should prolly run DOMQuatern past public-script-coord too?
  320. # [11:51] <annevk> wow
  321. # [11:52] <annevk> no utf-16?
  322. # [11:52] <annevk> because that would sort of explain utf8, they just mapped to ucs2
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  329. # [12:10] <mounir_> annevk: oh, they do geometry stuff?
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  341. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> annevk, happy birthday
  342. # [12:32] <mounir_> annevk: oh indeed
  343. # [12:32] <mounir_> annevk: you can no longer call me "old man" \o/
  344. # [12:34] <jgraham> mounir_: I wouldn't bet on that
  345. # [12:34] <mounir_> jgraham: I wouldn't bet that he will stop doing it
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  347. # [12:36] <jgraham> mounir_: We seem to be in agreement. Suddenly everything seems strange in the world.
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  352. # [12:39] <mathiasbynens> annevk: oh, look at the date! happy birthday
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  358. # [12:50] <foolip> annevk: why does parentDocs need to be kept across the async boundary, can't resize be set to true before the async section?
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  360. # [12:50] <foolip> probably some raciness I'm not seeing
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  364. # [12:54] <foolip> annevk: missing "a" in "If exitDocs's first document has browsing context container"
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  385. # [13:36] <annevk> foolip: oh, we could do that the other way around
  386. # [13:36] <annevk> foolip: didn't really think about that
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  449. # [16:20] <smaug____> TabAtkins: could you perhaps file a bug to get chrome too to warn about use of sync xhr ?
  450. # [16:23] <TabAtkins> Sure.
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  452. # [16:24] <TabAtkins> Firefox warns; doors anyone else?
  453. # [16:25] <Ms2ger> Doors?
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  499. # [18:24] <Hixie> zcorpan: isn't that just going to result in a bunch of slow-loading pages? i thought the whole point here was to carefully design the feature so that it could be pre-loaded.
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  588. # [22:19] <Hixie> can someone load http://www.hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/html/video/001.html in a recent IE and tell me how noisy it gets? :-)
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  596. # [22:37] <Hixie> GPHemsley: dude someone cut off the corner of the file in the icon for mimesniff :-P
  597. # [22:38] <Hixie> GPHemsley: either that, or they folded it backwards from the usual way it's folded :-P
  598. # [22:43] <miketaylr> Hixie: this is what i see in my vmware/IE11 https://cloudup.com/cTF_o3DUg-8
  599. # [22:45] <Hixie> wow
  600. # [22:45] <Hixie> thanks
  601. # [22:45] <Hixie> miketaylr: can you check what version of IE11 that is?
  602. # [22:46] <Hixie> newer or older than v11.0.7 ?
  603. # [22:46] <miketaylr> one sec
  604. # [22:46] <miketaylr> Hixie: https://cloudup.com/cdicl-Y0S0h
  605. # [22:46] <miketaylr> (sorry, can't select the version to just paste in here)
  606. # [22:47] <miketaylr> so i guess newer
  607. # [22:48] <Hixie> weird
  608. # [22:48] <Hixie> thanks!
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  611. # [22:49] <Hixie> (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11984)
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  614. # [22:50] <Hixie> GPHemsley: i'm going to be using the "rules for sniffing audio and video specifically", fyi
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  644. # [23:35] <Hixie> annevk: http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-document-createevent points to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/d4e/raw-file/tip/source_respec.htm for UIEvent but that spec doesn't seem to define it
  645. # [23:35] <Hixie> annevk: what's the story with that?
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