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  28. # [01:36] <gsnedders> jgraham: also ergh merging PRs is so much harder with failing tests :(
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  48. # [04:23] <JonathanNeal> Hello!
  49. # [04:32] <Hixie> MikeSmith: yeah. though really people _should_ real the rationale before they comment.
  50. # [04:32] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: hello
  51. # [04:33] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: btw if you have any questions about the sort stuff don't hesitate to ping me
  52. # [04:33] <JonathanNeal> Hixie: I wrote up a little something, it doesn’t address all the use cases, but it works.
  53. # [04:34] <Hixie> the spec doesn't, or your impl doesn't?
  54. # [04:35] <JonathanNeal> As of right this second, my implementation is limited to ascending alphabetical sorting.
  55. # [04:36] <Hixie> ah
  56. # [04:36] <Hixie> the autosorting algorithm is the best part of the proposal :-)
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  58. # [04:41] <JonathanNeal> Hixie: it’s kind of the point, yes?
  59. # [04:42] <caitp> i didn't read all of the details of the proposal, does it offer different sorting algorithms or even custom ones for people who want those?
  60. # [04:42] <caitp> well not so much algorithms
  61. # [04:43] <caitp> but comparison routines
  62. # [04:44] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: well, the point is sorting. it could do the job with a dumb algorithm, or with a selector for picking a simple algorithm, or with a callback or something
  63. # [04:44] <JonathanNeal> caitp: if it does, i missed that part, and was wondering the same thing. It has a lot of built in sorting rules. The thing that was most vague was how table[sortable] might be exposed to the ui.
  64. # [04:45] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: but instead it has the algorithm it has, which imho is pretty cool.
  65. # [04:45] <Hixie> caitp: i encourage you to read the spec
  66. # [04:45] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: re the UI, the idea was just that you'd click the <th> to sort by it.
  67. # [04:45] <caitp> i'll read it if i have time to hack together an implementation for blink :p
  68. # [04:45] <caitp> but my schedule is pretty tied up the next few months :(
  69. # [04:46] <Hixie> that is true of all of us
  70. # [04:47] <JonathanNeal> Let me share what I have. It’s the first draft, but it’s fun to see, maybe just for me though.
  71. # [04:49] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/table-sorting/
  72. # [04:49] <caitp> cool stuff
  73. # [04:51] <JonathanNeal> I figured the standard sorting is based on the visible content of the cells, eg innerText and not textContent.
  74. # [04:51] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: if you're planning on implementing the spec's algorithm, i have a test dataset somewhere i can mail you if you want to test the spec against what i think the spec says
  75. # [04:51] <JonathanNeal> Yes, that would be wonderful.
  76. # [04:51] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: send me an e-mail, i'll find it and mail it to you (maybe monday when i get to work)
  77. # [04:52] <JonathanNeal> Sure thing.
  78. # [04:54] <caitp> it doesn't look like there's very much in the wpt about that feature yet, apart from idl assertions
  79. # [04:54] <caitp> you could probably contribute some while working on the polyfill
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  81. # [04:57] <JonathanNeal> There are many steps. So far this: finds eligible tables, fires and checks the status of a sort event, gets the order of the heading cells, orders the body cells by that heading cell order. Thanks to Mr. DOMSubtreeModified, we can respond to changes instantly.
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  83. # [04:59] <JonathanNeal> Oh and there’s a good catch, the event can’t remove the sortable attribute from the table, so it needs to be checked again. That’s wisely in the spec.
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  119. # [07:50] <Hixie> JonathanNeal: sent
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  140. # [11:10] <smaug____> annevk: why was get() added to Notification?
  141. # [11:12] <smaug____> looks like because of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899574#c0
  142. # [11:13] <smaug____> rather error prone API
  143. # [11:15] <annevk> hmm, no better suggestions so far
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  149. # [11:31] <smaug____> thinking..
  150. # [11:43] <smaug____> well, making click cancelable doesn't really make the API any worse
  151. # [11:43] <smaug____> but would be really really nice if one user input wasn't represented as several click events
  152. # [11:47] <jgraham> gsnedders: Yeah, we need a list of tests that are expected to fail. It's the only sane way to deal with the situation where you have tests from "upstream"
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  180. # [14:57] <gsnedders> jgraham: not entirely clear how to implement that, though :(
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  183. # [15:25] <jgraham> gsnedders: It's not impossible though. You just need to make up an id for the tests
  184. # [15:26] <gsnedders> jgraham: indeed
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  204. # [16:27] <smaug____> annevk: have you seen this http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webidl/XMLHttpRequest.webidl?mark=53-57#53
  205. # [16:27] <smaug____> apparently it was added in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788369
  206. # [16:27] <smaug____> (just noticed while looking at some random .webidl files)
  207. # [16:32] <caitp> hah
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  227. # [17:45] <annevk> hmm, have not, but that seems obsolete given that the constructor no longer takes any argument
  228. # [17:50] <annevk> caitp: the way <base> works is perfectly normal btw per URL parsing rules
  229. # [17:50] <caitp> it's not that it's anomalous or anything, it's just weird
  230. # [17:52] <caitp> "oh you want to go to /home/caitp/home/caitp? okay I'll send you to /home/caitp instead because I'm confused"
  231. # [17:52] <caitp> second guessing what the programmer wants, that's the weird part
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  234. # [17:56] <gsnedders> "If all the bytes up to the last byte converted by the current decoder have the same Unicode interpretations in both the current encoding and the new encoding" - how do you check what characters have been seen?
  235. # [17:56] <gsnedders> do people just store whether non-ASCII chars have been seen and have a table?
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  242. # [18:14] <gsnedders> html5lib is all over the place with spec complaince :(
  243. # [18:14] <gsnedders> up-to-date in places and nowhere elsewhere
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  246. # [18:29] <gsnedders> jgraham: the big problem with the up to date tests is that we implement the scripting enabled case but don't support scripting, so the #script tests fail
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  289. # [22:21] <erlehmann> JonathanNeal have you written a polyfill for table sortable?
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  300. # [23:04] <JonathanNeal> erlehmann: yes, but it's still in development.
  301. # [23:05] <erlehmann> JonathanNeal show and tell! :)
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  304. # [23:11] <JonathanNeal> Ok
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  306. # [23:12] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/table-sorting/ erlehmann
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  308. # [23:16] <erlehmann> thx JonathanNeal
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  313. # [23:25] <JonathanNeal> erlehmann: thanks. what would you like to see?
  314. # [23:27] <paulohp> hello guys! do you have more content about streams? eg.: https://whatwg.github.io/streams/
  315. # [23:28] <erlehmann> JonathanNeal ▼ U+25BC BLACK DOWN-POINTING TRIANGLE in header of primary sorting column. ▽ U+25BD WHITE DOWN-POINTING TRIANGLE in header of other columns.
  316. # [23:28] <erlehmann> using ▲ U+25B2 BLACK UP-POINTING TRIANGLE for reverse sort.
  317. # [23:28] <erlehmann> like wikipedia does
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