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  18. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Weird, http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3188 seems to transfer the overflow from inside the <iframe> to the outer page in Chrome.
  19. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> As does http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3185
  20. # [00:43] <Hixie_> "transfer"?
  21. # [00:43] <TabAtkins> I assume this is a bug on Chrome's part.
  22. # [00:44] <Hixie_> oh wow
  23. # [00:44] <TabAtkins> The amount that the iframe document overflows the initial canvas, the outer document treats itself as overflowing as well.
  24. # [00:44] <Hixie_> i'm not seeing that
  25. # [00:44] <Hixie_> but i am seeing 0,0 not being at 0,0
  26. # [00:44] <Hixie_> oh i see it's rtl
  27. # [00:44] <TabAtkins> You're seeing it in the top-left corner of the portion fo the iframe that's originally rendered (before scrolling), yes?
  28. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> Yeah.
  29. # [00:45] <Hixie_> what version are you in? i don't see what you describe
  30. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> Let's see...
  31. # [00:45] <Hixie_> i'm on 39.0.2150.5 dev
  32. # [00:45] <Hixie_> have a pending update
  33. # [00:45] <Hixie_> then again i also have a pending OS update
  34. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> 37 stable
  35. # [00:45] <Hixie_> maybe it's fixed?
  36. # [00:45] <Hixie_> try dev
  37. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> Maybe!
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  39. # [00:45] <TabAtkins> I can't easily do that, since I'm on my pixel. ^_^
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  42. # [00:48] <Hixie_> set your device to dev mode :-)
  43. # [00:49] <TabAtkins> Nope, ChromeOS ships updates that break Crouton enough that I've had to stay on Stable permanently.
  44. # [00:49] <TabAtkins> (They usually fix it before it goes Stable.)
  45. # [00:49] <TabAtkins> I can't have my primary work laptop breaking on me every 6 weeks. :/
  46. # [00:50] <tantek> two primary work laptops then?
  47. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> tantek: I have three, but only one is "primary".
  48. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> By definition. ^_^
  49. # [00:51] <Hixie_> maybe use a different OS :-P
  50. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Nah, I like ChromeOS.
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  52. # [00:52] <tantek> TabAtkins - if they're all tethered to the same cloud identity, how is any of them primary? ;)
  53. # [00:52] <TabAtkins> Okay, preliminary twitter results suggest that 38 still has the issue.
  54. # [00:52] <tantek> Perhaps name them like borg? 1 of 3, 2 of 3, 3 of 3.
  55. # [00:52] <TabAtkins> tantek: Only one is actually usable as a work laptop - the other two are just for things I need Corp authentication for. ^_^
  56. # [00:52] <Hixie_> TabAtkins: it's acting as i expect on 39, but i don't really know if i'm understanding it right. Want a screenshot?
  57. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Sure.
  58. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> It's really just "is there a big horizontal scrollbar on the outer page?"
  59. # [00:54] <Hixie_> ah, yes, there's a scrollbar there
  60. # [00:54] <Hixie_> i was thinking you meant inside the iframe
  61. # [00:55] <Hixie_> that's crazy
  62. # [00:55] <Hixie_> i wonder what's up with that
  63. # [00:56] <TabAtkins> We're incorrectly calculating the size of the iframe when figuring out page scrollbars, assuming that its overflow is visible.
  64. # [00:56] <TabAtkins> And setting 'overflow' isn't doing anything, hm.
  65. # [00:57] <TabAtkins> Anyway, I'll reduce and report.
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  69. # [01:06] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Oh, it's your new "innerHTML View" pane that's causing it.
  70. # [01:06] <Hixie_> new?
  71. # [01:06] <Hixie_> that hasn't changed in, like, a decade
  72. # [01:07] <Hixie_> but yeah, looks like you're right
  73. # [01:07] <Hixie_> that makes me feel better :-)
  74. # [01:07] <Hixie_> still a bug, though
  75. # [01:07] <Hixie_> display:none should make the overflow go away
  76. # [01:07] <Hixie_> (though maybe i make it height:0 and not display:none?)
  77. # [01:07] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Huh, I never even knew it existed, I guess. ^_^
  78. # [01:08] <Hixie_> ah, it's just height:0 visibility:hidden
  79. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> Yes, you do height:0 for some reason
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  81. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> That's a weird way to hide things, dude.
  82. # [01:08] <Hixie_> i think it's because in old browsers hiding the iframe with display:none would kill the browsing context
  83. # [01:08] <Hixie_> and i use the same styles for everything
  84. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> Ah.
  85. # [01:09] <TabAtkins> Well, fix please. ^^_
  86. # [01:09] <Hixie_> i will add that to my todo list prioritised appropriately :-)
  87. # [01:11] <TabAtkins> All you gotta do is add a "pre.hidden { display: none; }" to the stylesheet!
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  126. # [03:43] <TabAtkins> WHY IS IT SO DAMNED ADDICTING TO DRIVE THIS PROFILE DOWN???
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  128. # [03:43] <TabAtkins> Just spent 10 minutes shaving off .15%, because I knew it was there and it was annoying me.
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  130. # [03:48] <tantek> sounds like well designed gamification
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  133. # [03:54] <TabAtkins> It is. Making numbers smaller is so much fun!
  134. # [03:55] <TabAtkins> Especially when, after a change, the number is so small the box disappears from the profile completely.
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  222. # [08:55] <annevk> mounir: screen.orientation seems undefined
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  227. # [09:07] <annevk> Anyone here run Chrome stable? Would still like to know what http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?saved=3191 does
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  232. # [09:31] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: also test quirks mode for the font size thing
  233. # [09:34] <zcorpan> annevk: i have opera next 24 which is like chrome 37, which says Uncaught ReferenceError: TextDecoder is not defined on line 1
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  235. # [09:34] <annevk> zcorpan: oh, that's even worse
  236. # [09:35] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: and monospace
  237. # [09:36] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: and non-16px default font size
  238. # [09:38] <zcorpan> i recall there being something funny in that area when writing the quirks spec (although i didn't specify the quirk)
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  248. # [10:12] <annevk> Domenic: JakeA: is creating a tee synchronously acceptable?
  249. # [10:13] <annevk> Domenic: JakeA: that's what we require with clone()...
  250. # [10:14] <JakeA> Good question
  251. # [10:15] <JakeA> I guess it depends on what's synchronously available on the stream. It isn't a problem with the Request/Response API as it currently stands
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  253. # [10:17] <annevk> Yeah, I remember Domenic saying that reading from a stream could be synchronous...
  254. # [10:19] <annevk> hsivonen: you must love that bug
  255. # [10:19] <annevk> hsivonen: the response to utf-8 advocacy end of 2003 is fun
  256. # [10:19] <annevk> "lol That would be a good solution :) I personnaly use the iso-8859-15 charset which is a slight improvement of iso-8859-1 ..."
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  258. # [10:27] <hsivonen> annevk: whoa. I didn't even notice that comment.
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  262. # [10:48] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: what profiler do you use?
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  267. # [10:54] <annevk> Ms2ger: I get "[Errno 13] Permission denied: '/tmp/spec'" these days for our Makefile; Apple apparently requires root for that now
  268. # [10:54] <annevk> Ms2ger: can we make that work in some other way?
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  272. # [11:03] <Ms2ger> Will look later
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  289. # [11:52] <annevk> jgraham: lazy Python help request; is there a better way to do this:
  290. # [11:52] <annevk> id = re.match(r"^/tools/test.py\?from=\d+&to=(\d+)$", os.environ["REQUEST_URI"])
  291. # [11:52] <annevk> print id.group(1)
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  303. # [12:14] <annevk> well it works, that's enough for me
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  318. # [12:39] <hsivonen> annevk: too much success: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/loop/content/shared/libs/sdk.js#9210
  319. # [12:39] <hsivonen> I guess I should file a bug not to ship that stuff with Loop and to use built-in stuff
  320. # [12:41] <annevk> hsivonen: copy from mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/loop/content/shared/libs/sdk.js#9210
  321. # [12:41] <annevk> hsivonen: sorry, copy from jsbell's work
  322. # [12:41] <annevk> hsivonen: so they could just use TextDecoder / TextEncoder
  323. # [12:43] <annevk> hsivonen: I think Firefox OS had a similar problem
  324. # [12:43] <annevk> hsivonen: but that doesn't appear on mxr
  325. # [12:45] <annevk> hsivonen: is there a bug on mxr not using TLS?
  326. # [12:45] <annevk> hsivonen: hmm, make that HSTS
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  328. # [12:47] <hsivonen> annevk: dunno. There are random hostnames under mozilla.org that break with https, so at least includeSubdomains on mozilla.org is infeasible for the time being
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  330. # [12:47] <annevk> I guess I'll just assume someone else is trying to make it work
  331. # [12:48] <annevk> hsivonen: if you want I can file a bug on Loop, no big deal
  332. # [12:48] <hsivonen> annevk: I filed one already
  333. # [12:48] <hsivonen> annevk: I CCed you
  334. # [12:48] <annevk> cool
  335. # [12:48] <MikeSmith> hsivonen: annevk fwiw now, today I will set up a redirect of that dvcs.w3.org url to the current whatwg spec (and same for any other stale dvcs.w3.org URLs). but can't til I'm back home
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  337. # [12:50] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: interesting turn of events. Thanks.
  338. # [12:51] <annevk> What URLs are we talking about? I must have missed something
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  340. # [12:52] <MikeSmith> annevk: the gecko code comment in hsivonen's mxr link
  341. # [12:53] <annevk> MikeSmith: ah okay, it seems to redirect a bit already
  342. # [12:53] <MikeSmith> Ah ok
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  344. # [13:07] <MikeSmith> btw a week or so back, I already set up such a redirect for the d
  345. # [13:07] <GPHemsley> it's more than "a bit"... but it's an HTML redirect
  346. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> ...old dvcs.w3.org draft of the URL spec
  347. # [13:11] <MikeSmith> annevk: also btw as far as I know the Director has no blanket objection to normative references to whatwg drafts
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  349. # [13:11] <annevk> MikeSmith: so what is the problem then?
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  353. # [13:15] <MikeSmith> annevk: well sorry to be coy but I just think it's just worth knowing that the problem could be something other than that
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  355. # [13:17] <MikeSmith> if somebody were to ask the Director directly maybe that could help to clear things up some
  356. # [13:18] <MikeSmith> maybe Domenic could ask for some clarification about it at the TAG f2f
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  368. # [13:54] <annevk> hsivonen: your mxr find gave me an idea
  369. # [13:54] <annevk> https://github.com/search?q=encoding.spec.whatwg.org
  370. # [13:54] <annevk> there's a lot of hits
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  392. # [14:58] <darobin> does the SVG on https://whatwg.org/ *have* to be embedded with <object>?
  393. # [14:58] <darobin> I mean seriously, who does that
  394. # [14:58] <darobin> poor little harmless SVG
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  398. # [15:02] <gsnedders> darobin: Hixie_
  399. # [15:03] <darobin> gsnedders: I'm shocked
  400. # [15:03] <darobin> it's almost like torturing kittens or something
  401. # [15:03] <mathiasbynens> annevk: use quotes https://github.com/search?q="encoding.spec.whatwg.org"&type=Code
  402. # [15:04] <zcorpan> darobin: what's wrong with <object>?
  403. # [15:04] <darobin> zcorpan: it's eeeeeeevil
  404. # [15:05] <darobin> it bullied me when I was little
  405. # [15:05] <zcorpan> poor darobin
  406. # [15:05] * darobin sniffles, nods
  407. # [15:07] <zcorpan> i guess the <img> is also downloaded though
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  410. # [15:17] <annevk> if you embed SVG through <object>, I'd guess the problem is that you create a browsing context rather than an image
  411. # [15:17] <annevk> i.e. bloat
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  414. # [15:23] <zcorpan> time to switch to the <img src=png srcset=svg> hack
  415. # [15:25] <Domenic> annevk: JakeA yes sync tee is no problem
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  417. # [15:31] <zcorpan> hmm, making https://images.whatwg.org/abstract.png in svg means having a jpg in a data: URL, right? at least if it should work in <img>
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  419. # [15:31] <annevk> hsivonen: how can Mozilla work without original iso-8859-1? HTTP requires it...
  420. # [15:31] <annevk> hsivonen: I guess we simply do byte manipulation there?
  421. # [15:32] <annevk> zcorpan: yes
  422. # [15:33] <zcorpan> annevk: thx
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  429. # [15:45] <annevk> JakeA: did you see my cache mode update to Fetch?
  430. # [15:46] <annevk> JakeA: Domenic: if you could review Fetch's cache mode update that'd be great, if it's fine I'll add the corresponding API
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  456. # [16:06] <Domenic> Will look at
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  466. # [16:18] <zcorpan> ok so what needs updating with the kitchensink? xbl -> web components, dom core/dom events -> dom, uri/iri -> url
  467. # [16:18] <zcorpan> (is web components above html?)
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  469. # [16:23] <SimonSapin> zcorpan: how much should CSSOM serialization preserve the origin form of things? E.g. keywords instead of the equivalent numerical value (when there is one)
  470. # [16:24] * hemanth did a talk on generators at JSChannel :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrgEZykBHVo
  471. # [16:25] <gsnedders> zcorpan: Components is surely alongside it?
  472. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> Components should be wrapping all around it, clearly
  473. # [16:29] <Ms2ger> And superimposing itself on everything else
  474. # [16:29] <annevk> zcorpan: part of, eventually
  475. # [16:30] <annevk> zcorpan: ECMAScript -> JavaScript
  476. # [16:30] <jgraham> Something, something, webcomponents describing itself, something, inception, something
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  478. # [16:30] <jgraham> JavaScript™
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  480. # [16:31] <gsnedders> ®, please!
  481. # [16:33] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: does http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom/#serialize-a-css-component-value answer your question?
  482. # [16:33] <annevk> zcorpan: Notifications / Fullscreen / Sensor APIs?
  483. # [16:34] <annevk> zcorpan: GIF / PNG
  484. # [16:35] <zcorpan> annevk: can you give me ascii art for what it should say where? :-)
  485. # [16:35] <SimonSapin> zcorpan: not really. It’s rather, should "parse a declaration" preserve the original component values, or some approximation?
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  487. # [16:35] <JakeA> annevk: Btw, developers I've asked would expect fetch('/foo') to include cookies
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  489. # [16:35] <SimonSapin> parse+serialize
  490. # [16:35] <JakeA> annevk: and still pull faces after I explain why it doesn't
  491. # [16:36] <SimonSapin> or can it do anything, as long as it preserves property-specific semantics?
  492. # [16:37] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: i haven't studied serialization in detail. i know the spec has bugs. so i'm not sure. my guess is that you don't need to preserve the original component values
  493. # [16:38] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: e.g. for <color> you don't roundtrip keywords
  494. # [16:38] <gsnedders> my memory of this stuff is web compat constraints are behind UA sniffing
  495. # [16:39] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: what does that mean?
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  497. # [16:39] <jgraham> SimonSapin: "servo is screwed"
  498. # [16:40] <zcorpan> SimonSapin: it can't do anything that preserves semantics, you have to follow the serialization rules (insofar they aren't wrong)
  499. # [16:40] <SimonSapin> thanks jgraham for your usual optimism :)
  500. # [16:40] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: if your UA string claims you're IE, the expected answer is "rgb(255, 255, 255)"; if you're Firefox, the expected answer is "black"; if you're Chrome, the expected answer is "rgba(255,255,255,1)"
  501. # [16:40] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: if you deviate from this, you break the web
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  503. # [16:40] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: if you're Servo, good-fucking-luck
  504. # [16:40] <SimonSapin> wut
  505. # [16:40] <jgraham> But of course UA string isn't the only way of doing UA sniffing
  506. # [16:41] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: what's so wut? did you forget to leave your sense of logic at the door?
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  508. # [16:41] <SimonSapin> my mistake :)
  509. # [16:42] <jgraham> It's a pity that people didn't parse the results and convert to a canonical form rather than UA sniff :(
  510. # [16:42] <gsnedders> speaking of which, has anyone done anything about Error.stack and UA-dependent expectations there?
  511. # [16:45] <SimonSapin> gsnedders: was that for computed or specified values?
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  513. # [16:47] <gsnedders> SimonSapin: computed, I think
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  515. # [16:52] <JakeA> annevk: ok, https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/514425450194411520 suggests developers don't really know what to expect re cookies
  516. # [16:54] <Ms2ger> That they're delicious delicacies!
  517. # [16:59] <annevk> JakeA: they should eat them, clearly
  518. # [16:59] <JakeA> nom nom nom
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  526. # [17:11] <TabAtkins> annevk: Chrome stable for 3191 is Uncaught TypeError: Failed to construct 'TextDecoder': The encoding label provided ('hz-gb-2312') is invalid.
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  528. # [17:12] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Just cProfile, piped through gprof2dot. `bikeshed profile` generates a profile for you now, if you've got the right stuff installed (documented in its help info).
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  530. # [17:12] <SimonSapin> cool
  531. # [17:13] <SimonSapin> I also like xdot, for browsing gprof2dot output
  532. # [17:13] <annevk> TabAtkins: thanks, I guess I'd need to write a standalone test for hz-gb-2312 if I really wanted to know whether it was gone
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  534. # [17:14] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Yeah, thought about doing that, but with --root and --leaf I have enough control so far that it's not overwhelming.
  535. # [17:15] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: what are these?
  536. # [17:15] <TabAtkins> Kinda wanna PR gprof2dot to allow you to exclude subtrees, so I can drop everything below the html5lib entrypoint. That's about half the nodes on the graph.
  537. # [17:15] <TabAtkins> --root specifies which node you want to display as root; trims everything without it as ancestor, and everything above it. --leaf specifies that you only want to see call chains that bottom out in the specified node.
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  605. # [19:15] <annevk> https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/TLS
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  607. # [19:15] <annevk> contributions welcome
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  613. # [19:21] <willchan> annevk: i think package analysis is a typo. perhaps you meant packet analysis. or traffic analysis.
  614. # [19:22] <willchan> and it might be more precise to say increased confidentiality
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  617. # [19:25] <JakeA> wanderview: hey (on a train so dodgy connection)
  618. # [19:26] <wanderview> JakeA: np, just curious how the cache spec updates coming? :-)
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  648. # [20:23] <annevk> willchan: thanks fixed
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  661. # [20:53] <zcorpan> what's the state of the art accessibility best practice for svg (for https://images.whatwg.org/abstract.png ) ?
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  668. # [21:05] <annevk> zcorpan: seems better to provide it in alt=?
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  670. # [21:08] <zcorpan> annevk: yes, maybe so
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  672. # [21:17] <zcorpan> annevk: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3200
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  683. # [21:34] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3201
  684. # [21:34] <Hixie_> SVG and MathML at this point should be in the top box
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  687. # [21:35] <Hixie_> also you should add some more things
  688. # [21:35] <Hixie_> WebIDL
  689. # [21:35] <Hixie_> JPEG (on the side)
  690. # [21:36] <Hixie_> GIF, PNG
  691. # [21:36] <Hixie_> Encodings (below)
  692. # [21:36] <Hixie_> CSP (side)
  693. # [21:36] <Hixie_> TLS (below)
  694. # [21:41] <zcorpan> Hixie_: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3202
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  696. # [21:41] <Hixie_> nice
  697. # [21:41] <zcorpan> oops forgot webidl
  698. # [21:42] <caitp> kitchen sink is getting pretty full there
  699. # [21:42] <Hixie_> caitp: i think you may have misread the diagram
  700. # [21:42] <Hixie_> the sink hasn't changed here
  701. # [21:42] <caitp> it must be rendering very wrong here on netsurf
  702. # [21:44] <zcorpan> Hixie_: ok http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3203
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  705. # [21:48] <zcorpan> caitp: i tried installing netsurf and opened the link. it didn't run the script in live-dom-viewer it seems. then i tried pasting the svg into the textarea, and netsurf crashed
  706. # [21:48] <caitp> i would be very surprised if netsurf ran it
  707. # [21:49] <caitp> misread jokes compounded by other misread jokes
  708. # [21:49] <caitp> :p
  709. # [21:49] <caitp> humour on IRC is hard because you really can't hear the tone of voice
  710. # [21:50] <caitp> it takes dedication and practice to figure out when someone is being genuine in their remarks
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  713. # [21:52] <zcorpan> well, it was fun trying a new browser that seems to be about as useful as netscape 4
  714. # [21:53] <zcorpan> maybe next i should try servo
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  716. # [21:58] <zcorpan> Hixie_: should i file a bug about the image?
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  720. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, do try servo, and expect cssom tests from jdm :)
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  722. # [22:07] <Domenic> Can we moderate L2L
  723. # [22:09] <Hixie_> zcorpan: sure
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  725. # [22:10] <Hixie_> Domenic: on it
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  728. # [22:12] <caitp> what has he been doing? i've only seen him on es-discuss
  729. # [22:12] <Hixie_> he posted to the whatwg list and his posts are incoherent
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  733. # [22:13] <Domenic> he's on all the lists -_-
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  735. # [22:13] <caitp> well look at that, he cares about the state of the web and such
  736. # [22:13] <caitp> enough to participate in all the lists
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  738. # [22:14] <Hixie_> so....... how do i clear the STS headers of a web site in safari or firefox?
  739. # [22:14] <zcorpan> Hixie_: the new image is 2x for the bitmap part and the bitmap is base64-encoded, yet the image is almost half the size of the old png version :-)
  740. # [22:14] <Hixie_> zcorpan: wow
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  742. # [22:17] <annevk> Hixie_: https://domparsing.spec.whatwg.org/ can redirect to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/innerhtml/raw-file/tip/index.html
  743. # [22:17] <annevk> Hixie_: seems like we have nobody that is interested in maintaining it and Travis is actually doing an okay job
  744. # [22:17] <annevk> Hixie_: bit unfortunate about the loss of CC0, but so be it I guess
  745. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> I'll update the git repo with something tomorrow
  746. # [22:17] <Hixie_> cool, ok
  747. # [22:17] <annevk> ta
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  749. # [22:17] <tantek> annevk: wait what? did we lose a whatwg editor resource so the work needs to be picked up by W3C?
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  751. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> tantek, more like the whatwg editor admitted to himself he wasn't going to have time for it
  752. # [22:18] <tantek> Ms2ger - perfectly reasonable.
  753. # [22:18] <zcorpan> shouldn't we fork travis' spec?
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  755. # [22:18] <Hixie_> zcorpan: ...
  756. # [22:18] <Hixie_> zcorpan: forking bad
  757. # [22:18] * Ms2ger eyes zcorpan
  758. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> I have ban power here, don't I?
  759. # [22:19] <zcorpan> :-)
  760. # [22:19] <Hixie_> banning bad too!
  761. # [22:19] <Hixie_> damnit, zcorpan tricked me
  762. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> Pah
  763. # [22:19] * Ms2ger withholds chocolate
  764. # [22:19] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: hey!
  765. # [22:19] <Hixie_> ffs, dreamhost
  766. # [22:20] <Ms2ger> Hixie_, see, that works better :)
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  769. # [22:20] <Hixie_> you can set an http:// url to redirect, but setting an https:// redirect requires that you actually do full hosting then do the .htaccess thing
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  771. # [22:20] <zcorpan> withholding chocolate bad
  772. # [22:20] <Hixie_> annevk: can you make domparsing redirect on your end
  773. # [22:20] <Hixie_> annevk: i've done it for http://
  774. # [22:20] <Hixie_> and am updating specs.
  775. # [22:21] <tantek> isn't there a meta tag for that? ;)
  776. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> Hixie_: Mind banning L2L from the whatwg lists? He's a persistent and crazy troll in all the other standards lists.
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  778. # [22:23] <Hixie_> his mod bit has already been set and i've already contacted him privately
  779. # [22:23] <TabAtkins> kk, cool
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  807. # [23:12] <annevk> Hixie_: in my experience if you make the http one a redirect, the https one redirects too
  808. # [23:12] <annevk> Hixie_: not sure how that works
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  810. # [23:16] <annevk> Will make it work tomorrow either way
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