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  1. # Session Start: Sat Nov 01 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  4. # [00:02] <Domenic> Is https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#phrasing-content-3 missing `:link { cursor: pointer; }` ?
  5. # [00:04] <jgraham> Hixie: With the focus spec, is it possible to have the document node be the focused one?
  6. # [00:04] <Hixie> jgraham: it's possible to have the viewport be focused
  7. # [00:04] <Hixie> jgraham: i don't think the Document node itself can technically be focused itself? but i could be wrong
  8. # [00:04] <jgraham> Hixie: Is that the same?
  9. # [00:04] <Hixie> Domenic: yeah, looks like it
  10. # [00:05] <Hixie> jgraham: not technically
  11. # [00:05] <jgraham> Hixie: So I thought that the focused area was always a node?
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  13. # [00:06] <Hixie> jgraham: oh no, definitely not
  14. # [00:06] <jgraham> Or at least always had a DOM anchor
  15. # [00:06] <Hixie> jgraham: there's all kinds of crap that can be focused these days that isn't anode
  16. # [00:06] <Hixie> the viewport uses the document as its dom anchor iirc
  17. # [00:06] <jgraham> OK
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  19. # [00:07] <Hixie> jgraham: see https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#focusable-area
  20. # [00:07] <Domenic> Hixie: shall I file a bug or are you fixing already?
  21. # [00:07] <Hixie> Domenic: file a bug
  22. # [00:07] <Hixie> thanks
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  24. # [00:10] <Domenic> Wow did not know (remember?) that :link did not match visited links... fun times
  25. # [00:10] <Hixie> :any-link
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  27. # [00:11] <Domenic> yepyep.
  28. # [00:12] <Domenic> can't find a straight answer as to whether :any-link is equivalent to `:matches(a[href], area, link)`, hmm
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  30. # [00:13] <Domenic> I guess CSS is decoupled from HTML in that respect
  31. # [00:13] <Domenic> CSS just says "represents a link ... for example in [HTML5] ..."
  32. # [00:14] <TabAtkins> Yeah, it's the host language that defines what a link is.
  33. # [00:16] <Hixie> :any-link is equivalent to :matches(:link, :visited)
  34. # [00:17] <Domenic> yeah just curious what :link matches I guess
  35. # [00:17] <Domenic> in terms of elements
  36. # [00:17] <Domenic> gotta trace the references
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  38. # [00:18] <Hixie> oh
  39. # [00:18] <Hixie> that's in the spec
  40. # [00:18] <Hixie> html spec
  41. # [00:18] <Domenic> yeah
  42. # [00:18] <Hixie> search for :link
  43. # [00:18] <Domenic> oh it's that easy that sounds nice
  44. # [00:18] <Domenic> hmm no :active in the UA stylesheet either
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  48. # [00:21] <jgraham> Hixie: Thanks
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  52. # [00:24] <Hixie> jgraham: it's about as far from what browsers implement today as the spec was a few months ago, but the spec has changed drastically in that time, fwiw
  53. # [00:24] <Hixie> jgraham: i think the new spec is way more comprehensive in terms of what browsers actually need to do
  54. # [00:24] <Hixie> jgraham: so if you haven't read that section recently, now's a good time
  55. # [00:26] <jgraham> Hixie: At the moment I'm mainly trying to convince the webdriver people not to define their own concept of focus
  56. # [00:26] <jgraham> This has not been too hard, fortunately
  57. # [00:26] <Hixie> oh man yeah
  58. # [00:26] <Hixie> defining focus is a huge pain
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  60. # [00:27] <Hixie> i'm pretty sure what the HTML spec has now is close to complete relative to what the web needs
  61. # [00:27] <Hixie> so they should just use that
  62. # [00:27] <wilhelm_> Other things that should be defined elsewhere and referenced from our spec: visibility, hit testing.
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  65. # [00:31] <Domenic> Is there any way for me to be the first subscriber to an event, but only do my thing if no other subscribers call `e.preventDefault()`? Maybe delaying a turn then checking e.defaultPrevented?
  66. # [00:32] <Hixie> register yourself on the parent element? :-)
  67. # [00:33] <Hixie> what happens if you register yourself during dispatch
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  69. # [00:33] <Domenic> oooh interesting
  70. # [00:33] <Domenic> seems like it would work, although maybe browsers do weird things
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  76. # [00:44] <Domenic> aww doesn't work
  77. # [00:44] <Domenic> setTimeout(, 0) seems like my best bet
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  79. # [00:46] <jamesr_> Hixie: registering yourself during dispatch should do nothing for that event, the propagation chain is computed before firing any handlers
  80. # [00:46] <Hixie> yeah, that seems reasonable
  81. # [00:46] <Hixie> pity
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  83. # [00:49] <jamesr_> otherwise it's insanity
  84. # [00:51] <Hixie> totally
  85. # [00:51] <Hixie> would have solved this case though ;-)
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  102. # [01:54] <terinjokes> :( Safari doesn't have getElementById in the DocumentFragment prototype
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  201. # [10:49] <annevk> Did anyone ever end up filing bugs on browsers for http://example.com/%F0%9F%94%92 and similar spoofing?
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  208. # [11:37] <annevk> It seems zcorpan filed a bug and it was a duplicate of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808234
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  296. # [17:43] <annevk> I filed https://github.com/github/github-services/issues/964 on github-services not dealing with URLs in commit messages properly, fwiw
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  300. # [18:00] <annevk> Domenic: http://jxck.hatenablog.com/entry/whatwg-stream
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  360. # [22:02] <Domenic> Hixie: I can't subscribe to whatwg@whatwg with my new email address because the instructions in it reference lists.whatwg.org and the alternate method of replying to whatwg-requests@lists.whatwg.org gives an "undeliverable"
  361. # [22:03] <Domenic> annevk: wow, diagrams and everything!!
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  383. # [23:11] <annevk> euhm, wtf rubys
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  386. # [23:23] <Domenic> annevk: I think it's just a misunderstanding, albeit one that could spiral out of control... assume good faith and don't make things worse :)
  387. # [23:23] <Domenic> also dammit i keep emailing myself
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