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  156. # [08:36] <MikeSmith> botie, inform annevk https://lost-contact.mit.edu/afs/cern.ch/w3.org/www/Consortium/Agreement/Full.html "Ownership of Copyrights and Patents" & "Licenses"
  157. # [08:36] <botie> will do
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  194. # [10:50] <darobin> I thought I had seen a page on the wiki listing the conventions for ID names (e.g. for DOM stuff) but I can't seem to find it
  195. # [10:50] <darobin> did I dream it or just failing at search?
  196. # [10:51] <darobin> there's an incoming patch for much better WebIDL support in ReSpec and I'd like to use the opportunity to completely align with the convention; having a page to point the guy to would help
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  198. # [10:52] <darobin> ah, found it
  199. # [10:55] <Ms2ger> Good
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  211. # [12:01] <zcorpan> is it defined when :active starts and stops applying relative to events like mousedown, mouseup, click ?
  212. # [12:03] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3341 :-/
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  220. # [12:13] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, that sounds like a job for... D3E
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  228. # [12:33] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3342 does what i expect in firefox but in my other test case it says 'false' for both events. can't figure out what the difference is
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  231. # [12:44] <botie> annevk, at 2014-12-18 07:36 UTC, MikeSmith said: https://lost-contact.mit.edu/afs/cern.ch/w3.org/www/Consortium/Agreement/Full.html "Ownership of Copyrights and Patents" & "Licenses"
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  242. # [13:37] <zcorpan> i kind of got stuck here. https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/3537
  243. # [13:37] <zcorpan> possibly i've made a stupid mistake and i don't see it
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  260. # [14:14] <zcorpan> oh. i think i found it. e.preventDefault cancels :active from applying!
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  338. # [17:45] <gsnedders> so jgraham, are we still trying to maintain a linear history in html5lib-python? because up till now we basically have.
  339. # [17:46] <gsnedders> even though it doesn't integrate well with github's PRs
  340. # [17:46] <jgraham> gsnedders: I think we should give up on that :(
  341. # [17:47] <jgraham> There are so many PRs that just need to be merged
  342. # [17:47] <gsnedders> jgraham: my problem is I don't like merging stuff till we have tests "passing" again
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  344. # [17:48] <gsnedders> because it just becomes way more time consuming checking for regressions
  345. # [17:49] <jgraham> gsnedders: So last I saw the PR for adding an ignore list had "don't merge this" on it
  346. # [17:49] <gsnedders> jgraham: because of the questions in the thread
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  351. # [17:52] <gsnedders> jgraham: i.e., how do we handle failing tests involving lone surrogates
  352. # [17:53] <gsnedders> jgraham: the other option is to just fix the bug and worry about this another time :P
  353. # [17:56] <jgraham> gsnedders: I am happy with that option
  354. # [17:56] <gsnedders> I'll /try/ and get something done this evening. This may well not happen.
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  410. # [20:28] <Hixie> annevk: you around? what's the story on intents these days?
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  418. # [21:15] <annevk> Hixie: no real story
  419. # [21:16] <annevk> Hixie: we have some ideas, but limited bandwidth to experiment
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  421. # [21:16] <annevk> Hixie: it seems like service worker to service worker communication will come first, perhaps that'll provide some way to let sites figure out client-side cooperation
  422. # [21:17] <annevk> Hixie: although that doesn't give you the decentralized stuff of course
  423. # [21:18] <annevk> ato: that's not just the case for Error's prototype
  424. # [21:18] <annevk> ato: all prototypes are global-bound
  425. # [21:18] <annevk> ato: (re tweet)
  426. # [21:19] <ato> annevk: RIght, I was trying to figure out why err instanceof Error was acting weird across chrome- and content contexts in XPCOM.
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  430. # [21:24] <annevk> ato: you should also know that Gecko has a non-standard implementation of instanceof for "DOM" objects
  431. # [21:24] <annevk> ato: (unless that was put into IDL)
  432. # [21:24] <annevk> ato: Gecko's instanceof for "DOM" objects doesn't care about the window the object belongs to
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  434. # [21:27] <ato> Interesting.
  435. # [21:32] <roc> annevk: I believe that's in the spec
  436. # [21:32] <roc> heycam definitely told me it's in the spec :-)
  437. # [21:32] <annevk> http://heycam.github.io/webidl/#es-interface-hasinstance
  438. # [21:32] <annevk> I'm not a fan, we already moved stuff from "DOM" to ES, this would break whenever we do that
  439. # [21:33] <annevk> E.g. this will break for promises in Gecko
  440. # [21:35] <annevk> https://twitter.com/arslancb/status/545674463530844161 foolip?
  441. # [21:36] <roc> is it really the case that, e.g., there is one Array prototype per window so that [] created in one window is not an instanceof Array in another window?
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  444. # [21:37] <annevk> roc: afaik, yes
  445. # [21:37] <roc> if so, that's broken and needs to be fixed in ES
  446. # [21:38] <annevk> roc: Allen is not too interested :-(
  447. # [21:38] <roc> sucks to be him
  448. # [21:38] <annevk> heh
  449. # [21:39] <annevk> I doubt we could actually make them the same at this point
  450. # [21:39] <roc> why?
  451. # [21:41] <Domenic> wow, no, that is a super-importnat property of ES
  452. # [21:41] <Domenic> programmers depend on it a lot
  453. # [21:42] <Domenic> it's extremely useful to be able to mutate the prototype in one window and have it not affect another
  454. # [21:42] <Domenic> i was just doing that this morning in fact
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  456. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> Yup, I've done it before too.
  457. # [21:43] <TabAtkins> Lets you lift the magic attached to some objects, like arrays, without polluting the "normal" array.
  458. # [21:44] <TabAtkins> Because subclassing doesn't work.
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  460. # [21:47] <roc> well
  461. # [21:48] <roc> the behavior of instanceof is the important thing here
  462. # [21:48] <roc> we don't actually need the prototype objects to be the same
  463. # [21:54] <Domenic> ... that is literally the definition of instanceof
  464. # [21:54] <annevk> Domenic: it has a hook now so objects can define instanceof to behave however they wish
  465. # [21:54] <Domenic> sure. let's say: that is literally the definition of instanceof that JS developers expect.
  466. # [21:55] <roc> unfortunately developers also expect an <img> to be an instanceof HTMLImageElement
  467. # [21:55] <Domenic> nah, not if it comes from another frame
  468. # [21:56] <Domenic> then it should be instanceof otherFrame.contentWindow.HTMLImageElement
  469. # [21:56] <roc> no-one expects that
  470. # [21:56] <roc> except a few standards gurus
  471. # [21:56] <Domenic> instanceof is not a nominal type test
  472. # [21:56] <Domenic> if you want the name just use tagName
  473. # [21:56] <Domenic> or .constructor.name or similar
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  476. # [21:58] <roc> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1760492/how-can-i-tell-if-a-javascript-object-is-an-image-or-a-canvas
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  491. # [22:14] <Hixie> annevk: if i have someone who wants to contribute, where should i point them to? (for intents)
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  507. # [22:39] <annevk> Hixie: I guess the WHATWG list and that thread on sharing is all there is thus far
  508. # [22:39] <annevk> Hixie: and the WHATWG wiki page on sharing
  509. # [22:39] <Hixie> k
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