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  1. # Session Start: Fri Dec 19 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  9. # [00:06] <jgraham> Domenic: [citation needed] on "that's what js developers expect". testharness.js has at least two places which say "we want to use instanceof here but can't because we don't know which window the object is from"
  10. # [00:06] <TabAtkins> Read "what js developers expect" as "what [sufficiently enough that we can't break backwards compat] js developers expect"..
  11. # [00:06] <jgraham> I believe that at least one of those was previously a bug
  12. # [00:08] <jgraham> TabAtkins: "this is an unfortunate legacy behaviour we can't change" is totally different from "that's what developers expect".
  13. # [00:08] <TabAtkins> Well, I've come to expect it, at least.
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  15. # [00:09] <jgraham> Sure but you have also come to expect document.all. It doesn't mean it's a great ideea
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  20. # [00:21] <Hixie> http://w3c.github.io/web-animations/ has some messed up MathML stuff
  21. # [00:21] <Hixie> search for <{
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  25. # [00:22] <birtles> Hixie: I'll look into it
  26. # [00:22] <birtles> ... but I blame bikeshed already :)
  27. # [00:25] <birtles> TabAtkins: was there a recent change to bikeshed's handling of mathml?
  28. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> Shouldn't have been.
  29. # [00:25] <birtles> my local copy of bikeshed works fine but tip seems to be broken
  30. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> BUT WHO KNOWS
  31. # [00:25] <TabAtkins> (I didn't do anything on purpose.)
  32. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> Ahahaha, I know what happened.
  33. # [00:26] <TabAtkins> I wrote a custom serializer, and lxml's handling of namespaces is hilariously bad. I'll file an issue and deal with this asap.
  34. # [00:26] <birtles> TabAtkins: thanks!
  35. # [00:27] <Hixie> oh man, lxml
  36. # [00:28] <Hixie> lxml is one of the reasons i dumped anolis :-)
  37. # [00:29] <MikeSmith> in the python world I'm not sure what practical alternative there is to lxml
  38. # [00:30] <TabAtkins> There really isn't, particularly since I use CSSSelect. :(
  39. # [00:31] <MikeSmith> yeah whatever other python things there might be, I think they have worse problems
  40. # [00:31] <Hixie> yeah, i dumped python for that same reason
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  42. # [00:31] <MikeSmith> baby meet bathwater
  43. # [00:32] <MikeSmith> python has the advantage of being something a lot of other people have some familiarity with already
  44. # [00:33] <MikeSmith> and anyway in my experience at least lxml just works pretty well overall. It's got some quirks but again in my experience at least it's not a giant hardship to work around them
  45. # [00:34] <MikeSmith> I say all this as somebody who's neither really fond of lxml nor python myself
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  50. # [00:44] <MikeSmith> does chown -r not follow symlinks?
  51. # [00:45] <Hixie> probably depends on -h ?
  52. # [00:45] <Hixie> dunno
  53. # [00:47] <MikeSmith> k
  54. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> hmm yeah it seems for sure it doesn't
  55. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> looking the man page and the docs for the -h and -H args
  56. # [00:49] <MikeSmith> even with -H, "If the -R option is specified, symbolic links on the command line are followed. (Symbolic links encountered in the tree traversal are not followed.)
  57. # [00:49] <Domenic> any ideas how to do *:not(.example *) in a browser that doesn't support complex selectors inside not?
  58. # [00:49] <Hixie> MikeSmith: ah well there you go
  59. # [00:50] <Hixie> Domenic: you want to match all elements that aren't a child of .example?
  60. # [00:50] <Domenic> Hixie: yep
  61. # [00:50] <Hixie> Domenic: :not(.example) > *, :not(.example) > * *
  62. # [00:51] <Hixie> hm, though that won't work
  63. # [00:51] <Hixie> for descendants
  64. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> No, can't do it without more constrained tree.
  65. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> (So that you can explicitly knock everything else out.)
  66. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> And even then it's terrible.
  67. # [00:51] <Hixie> Domenic: wait, i don't understand what you want here.
  68. # [00:51] <Hixie> Domenic: if you just want "not child of .example", then ":not(.example) > *"
  69. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> All element that aren't inside of a .example.
  70. # [00:52] <Hixie> is that what :not(.example *) does?
  71. # [00:52] <Hixie> so it's like the equivalent of my :not(:matches(.example #)) ?
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  73. # [00:52] <Domenic> I think :not(.example) * might work
  74. # [00:52] <Domenic> So basically I have this CSS reset `* { box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0; padding: 0; }`
  75. # [00:53] <Domenic> but I noticed it was also affecting my examples
  76. # [00:53] <Domenic> which is bad
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  78. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Domenic: Nope. That selector <.example><foo><div>
  79. # [00:53] <Hixie> ":not(.example) *" will match... what TabAtkins said
  80. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Rather, that selects the <div> there.
  81. # [00:53] <Domenic> ah
  82. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Hell, it'll match <.example><div> as long as <.example> has an ancestor.
  83. # [00:53] <Hixie> the old fashioned way to do this is:
  84. # [00:53] <Hixie> * { ... }
  85. # [00:53] <Hixie> .example * { ... }
  86. # [00:53] <Domenic> also its specificity is way higher than * so that's causing my own problems
  87. # [00:53] <Domenic> yeah
  88. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> It'll only rule out elements which have .example as *all* their ancestors.
  89. # [00:54] <Domenic> Hixie: yeah I tried that but I can't get the margin/padding to go back to their "defaults"
  90. # [00:54] <Hixie> well you can hard-code the defaults
  91. # [00:54] <Hixie> 40px for blockquote margin-left, etc
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  94. # [00:55] <Domenic> it may be time to just do a targeted margin: 0/padding: 0 on all the things I am using
  95. # [00:55] <Domenic> Wish Chrome supported complex :not's
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  98. # [00:57] <Domenic> While I'm hear does anyone know what's the deal with `-webkit-margin-before` and friends?
  99. # [00:57] <TabAtkins> what about them?
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  101. # [00:58] <Domenic> what do they even do, why do they need nonstandard properties
  102. # [00:58] <TabAtkins> They're like margin-left, but logical directions rather than physical.,
  103. # [00:58] <TabAtkins> And they're non-standard because we haven't defined logical margins yet.
  104. # [00:58] <Domenic> logical = related to right-to-left/left-to-right?
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  106. # [00:58] <heycam> TabAtkins, if you could do that soon it would be good :-)
  107. # [00:58] <TabAtkins> Yes, direction and writing-mode.
  108. # [00:58] <heycam> I'm fixing up our logical properties right now
  109. # [00:59] <TabAtkins> heycam: Yeah, fantasai and I intend to. :/
  110. # [00:59] <Domenic> cool, thanks
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  112. # [00:59] <heycam> TabAtkins, one thing that's not clear from the various mailing list postings is whether logical properties are exposed on a computed style object
  113. # [01:00] <heycam> TabAtkins, for now I'm assuming that logical properties are on CSS2Properties and so would be
  114. # [01:01] <TabAtkins> Yeah, they would be, possibly as shorthands.
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  116. # [01:02] <TabAtkins> (Requires a two-level cascade, so you can cascade direction/writing-mode first, then cascade the logical properties with the physical properties.)
  117. # [01:02] <heycam> TabAtkins, yeah. the cascading thing is working out well in my patches.
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  120. # [01:04] <heycam> TabAtkins, what spec will this be defined in, in case I send in some mails and need to work out what tag to use in the subject?
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  123. # [01:07] <TabAtkins> heycam: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-logical-props/
  124. # [01:07] <heycam> TabAtkins, cheers, I didn't know about that spe
  125. # [01:07] <heycam> *spec
  126. # [01:08] <TabAtkins> Me neither. ^_^ fantasai just reminded me.
  127. # [01:08] <heycam> :)
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  130. # [01:15] <MikeSmith> TabAtkins: btw please tell CSS people thanks from me for all efforts that have gone into writing mode. And to whoever says writing mode isn't important, please point them at http://www.asahi.com/special/politas/tanikawa/
  131. # [01:15] <MikeSmith> that's a poem that was published a week ago in the online version of one of Japan's biggest newspapers
  132. # [01:16] <MikeSmith> by Japan's most famous living poet
  133. # [01:16] <Hixie> you're making it hard for me to argue against <poem> and company
  134. # [01:16] <MikeSmith> (it's a nice poem too -- topical, about the national election that happened here last week)
  135. # [01:16] <MikeSmith> heh
  136. # [01:16] <MikeSmith> Hixie: I'd love to have <poem> personally
  137. # [01:17] <Hixie> :-)
  138. # [01:17] <MikeSmith> definitely much more than I love <article>
  139. # [01:18] <MikeSmith> anyway, the source for that online-newspaper poem uses writing-mode: vertical-rl, with some scripted fallback for browsers that don't yet support it
  140. # [01:21] <MikeSmith> and while I admire the engineering that went into the code for the fallback, it's horrible stuff that no web dev should rightly ever have to do just to get a poem layed out on the Web in the same simple way the poet has layed out every single poem he's ever published anywhere else
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  142. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> the DOM of the fallback case ends up putting every single character of the poem into a span and then rotating each character
  143. # [01:25] <MikeSmith> anyway while realize almost no other part of the world needs writing-mode: vertical-rl support, it really is massively useful for users in Japan. To be able to do very simple things like read a poem in the way they the writer intended it to be read, and in the way that Japanese users are used to reading them
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  145. # [01:29] <TabAtkins> Thank fantasai and kojiishi. ^_^
  146. # [01:29] <TabAtkins> heycam: Btw, the logical-prop spec is half-copypasted and half-inconsistent (you can decide which half for each part).
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  148. # [01:30] <fantasai> heycam: It was pulled from a 2010 appendix of writing modes and only half updated
  149. # [01:30] <fantasai> heycam: It's on the to-do list
  150. # [01:30] <heycam> TabAtkins, fantasai, ok I will take it with a pitcher of salt
  151. # [01:30] <fantasai> heycam: to finish updating and publish it fpwd
  152. # [01:30] <fantasai> yes, thanks :)
  153. # [01:30] <heycam> :)
  154. # [01:31] <fantasai> heycam: names will be matched up to the latest writing modes ED and WG resolutions to use block-start/inline-start/start etc.
  155. # [01:31] <fantasai> heycam: and we'll get a nice shorthand like margin-block/margin-inline in addition to margin-inline-start etc.
  156. # [01:31] <heycam> fantasai, oh cool, I did wonder about something like margin-block/margin-inline
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  158. # [01:31] <fantasai> heycam: yeah, it fell out of the new naming scheme :)
  159. # [01:31] * fantasai happy about that
  160. # [01:32] <fantasai> heycam: Still uncertain exactly how the interlocked cascade will work, but, that's the way for ward wrt syntax
  161. # [01:32] <heycam> fantasai, would "margin-block" take 2 values?
  162. # [01:32] <fantasai> yes
  163. # [01:32] <heycam> ok
  164. # [01:33] <fantasai> heycam: thing I'm particularly unsure of is the values that 'float' would take :/
  165. # [01:33] <heycam> fantasai, inline-start/inline-end?
  166. # [01:34] <fantasai> anyway, feel free to ping me with questions. I probably won't get around to editing that up until I get through some of the more urgent stuff ^_^
  167. # [01:34] <heycam> (fantasai, which presumably would also get converted to left/right/top/bottom at cascade time?)
  168. # [01:34] <fantasai> heycam: Yeah, I'm not sure. text-align takes start/end
  169. # [01:34] <fantasai> heycam: float is weird
  170. # [01:34] <fantasai> heycam: because CSS1/2 floats are single-axis
  171. # [01:34] <heycam> fantasai, I guess it's weird partly because float:top is not analagous to float:left
  172. # [01:35] <fantasai> heycam: but theoretically (and howcome proposes this) it can be 2D
  173. # [01:35] <fantasai> heycam: right
  174. # [01:35] <fantasai> heycam: For 1D properties like text-align, we have start/end/left/right
  175. # [01:35] <fantasai> heycam: which map to inline-start/inline-end/line-left/line-right
  176. # [01:36] <fantasai> heycam: the logical properties (as opposed to values) have less of this confusing issue though :)
  177. # [01:36] <fantasai> heycam: so if that's what you're working on, it's less unclear what's supposed to happen
  178. # [01:36] <heycam> fantasai, no I'm just working on the properties. all the rest I'll leave to jkew/smontagu. :)
  179. # [01:37] <heycam> fantasai, anyway will email and further questions that arise; but mostly it's "just working"
  180. # [01:37] <Domenic> Anyone know what 1__qem in Blink is?
  181. # [01:38] <fantasai> heycam: cool. If you figure out how the cascade is working, let me know, I haven't quite written that section yet ;)
  182. # [01:38] <fantasai> heycam: also, don't you want to map physical to logical in the style data, not the other way around?
  183. # [01:38] <fantasai> heycam: since, iirc, the layout engine is doing layout in logical coords
  184. # [01:38] <TabAtkins> Domenic: __qem is a bizarro unit used solelky to implement a table margin quirk, or something like that.
  185. # [01:38] <TabAtkins> It's equal to em, except when it's not.
  186. # [01:38] <heycam> fantasai, I thought it was the other way around, we're storing things physically
  187. # [01:38] <Domenic> TabAtkins: funnn
  188. # [01:38] <TabAtkins> qem = "quirky em"
  189. # [01:38] <heycam> fantasai, otoh I'm not touching layout code, so maybe I'm out of date
  190. # [01:39] <TabAtkins> Ignore, it's dumb bullshit that nobody else does, so we don't actually need it, but nobody's removed it yet.
  191. # [01:39] <fantasai> heycam: well, we didn't have logical anything until recently
  192. # [01:39] <heycam> right
  193. # [01:39] <fantasai> heycam: I think the plan was, store the iframe data in physical coords (good for painting), but convert to logical coords for reflow
  194. # [01:39] <heycam> fantasai, I'm not sure where style data fits in those two parts
  195. # [01:39] <fantasai> heycam: So, unsure what style data should be recorded in. But might want to check with smontagu/jkew/dbaron
  196. # [01:40] <fantasai> heycam: about what's best
  197. # [01:40] <heycam> fantasai, probably the former
  198. # [01:40] <heycam> fantasai, anyway, it's easily switched if that works out easier
  199. # [01:40] <fantasai> fair enough :)
  200. # [01:40] <fantasai> have fun~ :P
  201. # [01:41] * fantasai is pretty sure it is more fun that orthogonal flow calculations
  202. # [01:41] <fantasai> which still make me dizzy
  203. # [01:42] <heycam> heh yes I'm sure it would be :p
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  210. # [02:09] <roc> I think we should carry on storing the style data as physical values for now.
  211. # [02:11] <dbaron> agreed
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  219. # [02:53] <MikeSmith> Domenic: weird, clicking your <custom-blockquote> etc. links in my Chromium-built-from-trunk doesn't work
  220. # [02:53] * MikeSmith rebuilds
  221. # [02:53] <TabAtkins> Interestingly, we do layout in logical space in Chrome/WebKit.
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  223. # [02:53] <Domenic> MikeSmith: weird indeed, hmmm. You can just scroll to it also
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  225. # [02:56] <fantasai> TabAtkins: Yeah, that's because you implementd writing modes
  226. # [02:57] <fantasai> TabAtkins: IIRC that was part of the changes that went into the implementation
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  246. # [04:10] * MikeSmith sees something called Surface Worker in the blink sources, prays its just some internal thing
  247. # [04:13] <MikeSmith> and now wondering why I'm not allowed to view https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=434226
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  251. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> "manage a guestview from javascript".. I guess (hope) this is all just extensions stuff
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  258. # [04:21] <MikeSmith> hah :) https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=431002
  259. # [04:21] <MikeSmith> What steps will reproduce the problem?
  260. # [04:21] <MikeSmith> 1. Look at web_view.js
  261. # [04:21] <MikeSmith> 2. Gasp at the amount of code that is repeated, unnecessarily complex, and/or dead/unused.
  262. # [04:23] <MikeSmith> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1naxaMvhHbD_Rdr6o8hBdaAJczhpL8INkoglQw5TGcNk/edit#heading=h.5ce1bdjz6hrc
  263. # [04:23] <MikeSmith> "WTFrame: An Outrageous Web Threading Model"
  264. # [04:24] <MikeSmith> <worker-thread-frame src="foo.html" width=x height=y>
  265. # [04:25] <MikeSmith> I assumed this is probably already been discussed somewhere in the thousands of mailing-list messages in my inbox I'm behind on reading
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  267. # [04:29] <MikeSmith> wondering how this different than http://benfrancis.github.io/webview/
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  284. # [06:31] <MikeSmith> Hixie: https://rawgit.com/secretGeek/console-adventure/master/console.html
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  304. # [07:57] <zcorpan> TabAtkins: which quirk?
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  331. # [09:22] <zcorpan_> TabAtkins: oh it's https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/rendering.html#margin-collapsing-quirks
  332. # [09:23] <zcorpan_> except not conforming to the spec
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  338. # [09:33] <zcorpan_> TabAtkins: btw iirc font-family only allows strings and idents, not numbers or dimensions. although we considered changing it at some point
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  350. # [10:06] <annevk> Domenic: https://github.com/domenic/html-as-custom-elements/issues/35 another idea was to use Symbols so we would maybe support these kind of callbacks for "normal" elements too down the road
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  355. # [10:24] <foolip> annevk: I don't understand https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27294#c24
  356. # [10:25] <foolip> are you saying that selectors won't match in non-HTML, non-SVG namespaces, that getElementById doesn't work, or something like that?
  357. # [10:28] <foolip> I tested, both getElementById and querySelector seems to find these Elements when they have class="" and id="" attributes
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  362. # [10:39] <annevk> foolip: oh sorry
  363. # [10:40] <zcorpan_> i wonder if DTD ID has been dropped by anyone yet
  364. # [10:41] <annevk> data:text/xml,<x id="test"><script xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">alert(document.getElementById("test"))</script><style xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">%23test {background:lime } </style></x>
  365. # [10:41] <annevk> I wonder when that happened
  366. # [10:42] <annevk> For some reason that URL causes infinite loading in Chrome
  367. # [10:44] <Ms2ger> zcorpan_, I believe I did for Gecko
  368. # [10:48] <zcorpan_> w00t http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/3343
  369. # [10:50] <zcorpan_> the %23y should be %23z but anyway, looks like it has been dropped by gecko/webkit/blink
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  371. # [10:50] <zcorpan_> scary that i still know how to write an internal subset :-(
  372. # [10:51] <zcorpan_> stupid brain
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  382. # [11:01] <SteveF_> Hixie: note the HTML feature to ARIA http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html#mapping-to-existing-wai-aria-role-semantics and acc API mappings are now in http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html, and is what implementers are using, plan on pulling plug on w3c html WAI-ARIA section. The conformance requirements for use of ARIA and checking tool implementation...
  383. # [11:01] <SteveF_> ...is moving here https://specs.webplatform.org/html-aria/webspecs/master/ (note very ealry draft needs work) - MikeSmith is moving to use that for his checker implementations
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  455. # [14:55] <SteveF_> is https://developers.whatwg.org/ being maintained or is it stale?
  456. # [14:55] <SteveF_> can't find any date on it
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  459. # [14:59] <Ms2ger> Staleish, I think
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  461. # [15:06] <SteveF_> Ms2ger: thanks
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  484. # [15:54] <ondras> oops.
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  632. # [20:27] <Krinkle> Looks like the "disabled" attribute on <link rel=stylesheet> is non-standard (Chrome implements it, Firefox does not)
  633. # [20:27] <Krinkle> They both implement (per standard) the DOM object property though.
  634. # [20:27] <Krinkle> Any chance of adding that to the standard?
  635. # [20:27] <Krinkle> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/link?#Attributes
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  637. # [20:32] <Ms2ger> JavaScript error: https://whatwg.org/demos/canvas/blue-robot/index-idle.html, line 44: NS_ERROR_FAILURE:
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  640. # [20:34] <Ms2ger> Krinkle, file a bug, please
  641. # [20:35] <Krinkle> Ms2ger: Which bug tracker? w3?
  642. # [20:35] <Ms2ger> Yeah
  643. # [20:36] <Ms2ger> Under WHATWG::HTML
  644. # [20:40] <Krinkle> Ms2ger: OK. Was slightly confused with product 'HTML WG', but found it. I guess that one is for actual specs, once published.
  645. # [20:41] <Ms2ger> That one's for political games rather than technical issues
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  647. # [20:46] <Krinkle> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27677
  648. # [20:46] <Krinkle> Thanks
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  650. # [20:51] <Hixie> https://whatwg.org/newbug is a nice short link for people to point others to when they're to file bugs
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  652. # [20:53] <Hixie> developers.whatwg.org is mostly blocked on https://github.com/benschwarz/developers.whatwg.org/issues/90
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  656. # [21:05] <Ms2ger> Hixie, while you're here
  657. # [21:06] <Ms2ger> Hixie, the example at #association-of-controls-and-forms doesn't actually seem to work
  658. # [21:08] <TabAtkins> Hixie: Any change you can mark the developers version with an obsoletion notice? Multiple people asked me about it at the conf I was at last week.
  659. # [21:09] <TabAtkins> *chance
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  721. # [23:11] <Domenic> HTML as Custom Elements is so far just depressing, can't even get <custom-div> or <custom-span> faithfully working.
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  727. # [23:18] <TabAtkins> custom-div is just lacking the ability to hook into the UA stylesheet, which is unsurprising, as it's the UA stylesheet.
  728. # [23:19] <TabAtkins> Also <div> has no styling at all, if custom elements default to block. What's wrong there?
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  730. # [23:25] <Domenic> custom elements default to inline
  731. # [23:25] <Domenic> <custom-span> has no styling
  732. # [23:25] <Domenic> but, it's exposed to a11y as a <div>
  733. # [23:25] <Domenic> (like all custom elements are)
  734. # [23:26] <TabAtkins> You people fucked up.
  735. # [23:26] <TabAtkins> ^_^
  736. # [23:26] <TabAtkins> "Let's style them as inline, but tell a11y that they're block, lolololol"
  737. # [23:27] <Domenic> I *think* it's because all unknown elements are exposed to a11y as block. Just like all unknown elements are styled by CSS as inline.
  738. # [23:28] <TabAtkins> If that's actually the preëxisting behavior, then I'll repeat: lolololol
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  742. # [23:52] <Hixie> TabAtkins: i think ben's the one with upload access
  743. # [23:52] <Hixie> Mso150: oh?
  744. # [23:52] <Hixie> er
  745. # [23:52] <Hixie> that was for ms2ger
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