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  17. # [00:30] <jsbell> Heh. encoding/single-byte-decoder.html has "interesting" behavior in Chrome. In the iframe test, Chrome sniffs the byte stream ([0x00, 0x01 ... 0xFF]) - per [[MIMESNIFF]] - and overrides the content type as application/octet-stream and offers to download the file. Or, well, 167 files. :P
  18. # [00:34] <jgraham> Fun :)
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  200. # [07:54] <zcorpan> wonder why start render is 1.5s after the stylesheet has loaded
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  204. # [07:58] <annevk> Where is this bz thread from w3cmemes?
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  206. # [07:59] <zcorpan> <http://www.w3.org/mid/579391425936261@web12g.yandex.ru>
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  213. # [08:03] <MikeSmit1> w3cmemes should just pay that guy to write all their material
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  228. # [09:33] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/pcwalton/status/575836058560004096
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  283. # [12:56] <annevk> Ms2ger: good thing it's still maintained
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  285. # [12:56] <Ms2ger> Uhuh
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  290. # [13:13] <beverloo> annevk, just pushed the PR, time to do your ssh tricks :)
  291. # [13:13] <beverloo> https://notifications.spec.whatwg.org/
  292. # [13:17] <annevk> beverloo: done
  293. # [13:17] <beverloo> cool, thanks
  294. # [13:19] <smaug____> does anyone have a link to page which triggers mixed mode warning or some such
  295. # [13:20] <annevk> smaug____: https://dump.testsuite.org/mixed-content/ has some examples
  296. # [13:20] <smaug____> ta
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  324. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> http://testsuites.opera.com/ is dead?
  325. # [14:25] <frivoal> it seems to be
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  327. # [14:30] <jgraham> Maybe zcorpan or someone can help you retrieve any missing resources?
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  329. # [14:31] <zcorpan> it got killed a few months ago. i think the stuff on there is just gone (but might have unpolished versions on t)
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  333. # [14:33] <jgraham> It wasn't on svn somewhere, was it?
  334. # [14:33] <jgraham> That might be gone too ofc…
  335. # [14:34] <zcorpan> http://web.archive.org/web/20130227122600/http://testsuites.opera.com/ might still have something
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  337. # [14:35] <zcorpan> jgraham: hmm maybe, i don't recall how it was set up. i can have a look
  338. # [14:35] <jgraham> Is Xiven still there? I guess he would know
  339. # [14:36] <Ms2ger> I don't know that there was a lot on there that wasn't otherwise released
  340. # [14:37] <jgraham> Ah, I was presuming that there was a test in prosto-testo that depended on it or something
  341. # [14:37] <jgraham> *presto
  342. # [14:37] <Ms2ger> I had it in an open tab for some reason
  343. # [14:38] <wanderview> Domenic: in regards to Fetch Response objects and streams... do you expect them to expose ReadableByteStream, and not just ReadableStream, in the future? my first impression was that the body was better represented as a byte stream than a message-oriented stream (although that can be done by passed buffers as the messages of course)
  344. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> jgraham, seems like it could be useful to check if https://docs.google.com/document/d/17-pOErSaZkulu-rRS_Hhj7d8p1J7aJnNJcYs28Pswu0/edit?pli=1 contains anything that isn't on ttwf, but I don't really feel like it :)
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  346. # [14:40] <zcorpan> it seems the testsuites there are in presto-testo except for the cookies testsuite
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  351. # [14:47] <Ms2ger> Oh?
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  353. # [14:49] <jgraham> I changed the serialization in wptrunner for manifest files. And then regenerated all the existing expected data. So I have ended up with something more or less unreviewable
  354. # [14:49] <jgraham> https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/3fac90bd84f7
  355. # [14:50] <jgraham> OTOH it does remove a lot of crap leftover from when tests changed names and similar
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  357. # [14:51] <frivoal> ms2ger: as you go through presto-testo to find the tests that have already been submitted, I suppose you also run into tests that haven't been yet. Do you keep track of this? It would good to have (in a readme or something) a list of test that haven't been checked vs test have are known not to be submitted (as of a certain date)
  358. # [14:51] <zcorpan> is anyone interested in the cookie testsuite?
  359. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> zcorpan, I'd be curious what Servo's results look like
  360. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> frivoal, I haven't kept track
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  363. # [14:57] <jgraham> zcorpan: It seems in general like an interesting thing since cookies aren't exactly known for being easy or having great interop
  364. # [14:58] <frivoal> Ms2ger: Maybe we should start? What would be the most convenient format?
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  366. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> An issue, maybe?
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  368. # [15:02] <frivoal> You mean a "clean up and submit" issue for each non-submitted test suite? That would work pretty well to find things that need to be submitted. A bit more tricky to find things for which we need be checked if they have been submitted
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  370. # [15:04] <frivoal> I was thinking of a file in each leaf directory. If there's not file, we haven't checked. If there's no directory, it's been submitted, so we deleted it. If there's a file, it contains the date when we last checked and couldn't find it upstream
  371. # [15:05] <frivoal> s/not/no/
  372. # [15:06] <zcorpan> hmm. 63.94% of pages in httparchive has direction:rtl somewhere. that's crazy
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  374. # [15:08] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Not sure if there's anything there that really needs to be on TestTWF
  375. # [15:08] <Ms2ger> wfm
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  377. # [15:10] <gsnedder1> jgraham: I thought there was decent interop with cookies, just not what any spec said until a few years ago
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  381. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> gsnedder1, Servo :)
  382. # [15:12] * gsnedder1 is now known as gsnedders
  383. # [15:12] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: pff, servo! :P
  384. # [15:12] <gsnedders> You guys can't break the web because the web doesn't work already!
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  392. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> Anyone want to implement onbeforescriptexecute/onafterscriptexecute attributes?
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  400. # [15:42] <jgraham> The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men
  401. # [15:42] <jgraham> Gang aft agley
  402. # [15:42] <Ms2ger> Whatever happened to krisk?
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  408. # [15:46] <jgraham> Good question. I don't know if he survived the Great QA Culls
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  412. # [15:52] <frivoal> Ms2ger: https://github.com/operasoftware/presto-testo/blob/master/README.md updated to include info on how to send pull requests, including the file to track things that have not been submitted
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  420. # [16:06] <Domenic> wanderview: yes, definitely ReadableByteStream. We have a very nice design now though, where rbs.getReader().read() acts the same as a message-oriented stream, but rbs.getBYOBReader().read(arrayBufferView) will allow you to use a pre-allocated memory region.
  421. # [16:07] <Domenic> wanderview: so, ReadableByteStream ends up being a superset (from the consumer's point of view) of ReadableStream
  422. # [16:07] <wanderview> Domenic: ok, thats nice
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  481. # [17:54] <annevk> Hmm, seems like I finally need to move my Google Code projects
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  493. # [18:12] <beverloo> annevk, service-worker based web notifications, for Android too, are now in chrome beta :)
  494. # [18:12] <annevk> beverloo: congrats
  495. # [18:12] <annevk> I guess that's another thing we should tackle once SW-v1 has landed
  496. # [18:13] <beverloo> yeah, getting more implementations of all this stuff would be great
  497. # [18:13] <wanderview> annevk: we have a large list of stuff after SW v1 :-)
  498. # [18:13] <beverloo> I'm hoping to get "data", "silent", SWR.getNotifications() in chrome 43
  499. # [18:13] <wanderview> we still need to do push
  500. # [18:14] <annevk> wanderview: push is sorta ready though, no?
  501. # [18:14] <beverloo> wanderview, fwiw, my team's doing push as well
  502. # [18:14] <annevk> wanderview: but yeah, post v1 is prolly more than pre v1
  503. # [18:14] <wanderview> annevk: have we started implementation in gecko? I guess I was talking implementation vs spec
  504. # [18:14] <annevk> since well, growth
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  506. # [18:14] <annevk> wanderview: nsm has been working on it for quite a while, but a lot of that was also the pre-SW stuff
  507. # [18:15] <annevk> (push changed in design)
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  509. # [18:15] <wanderview> hmm, ok
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  512. # [18:19] <annevk> So we moved some of https://code.google.com/p/html5/ but some of it hasn't really changed at all
  513. # [18:20] <annevk> Anyone opinions on what should happen with that?
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  516. # [18:20] <annevk> Should I migrate it as a legacy-html5 repository inside whatwg or some such?
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  518. # [18:30] <gsnedders> I wonder if all the Ruby and PHP bugs on html5lib ever got migrated?
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  525. # [18:53] <annevk> Not sure
  526. # [18:54] <annevk> I indicated the project moved but we could still import the old stuff someplace if desired
  527. # [18:56] <jgraham> I wonder if anyone cares
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  529. # [19:00] <annevk> I put the html5 thing here: https://github.com/whatwg/old-google-code-html5
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  540. # [19:23] <cvrebert> Am I correct that the typical UA behavior of "scrolling the newly-focused element into view (if necessary)" falls under step 4 of https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/interaction.html#focus-update-steps , and is thus not standardized?
  541. # [19:27] <cvrebert> ...and to answer my own question: Yes; https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27913
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