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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 21 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  34. # [00:38] <aleray> hi, in html5lib python, is there a way to avoid applying a filter on <pre><code> elements ?
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  39. # [00:44] <aleray> ok I'm having a clue
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  41. # [00:45] <caitp-> don't forget to share your clue with everyone else
  42. # [00:46] <MikeSmith> caitp-: y u no come to extensible web summit
  43. # [00:46] <MikeSmith> we are talking about custome elements
  44. # [00:47] <caitp-> i have a bad habit of missing events that i haven't heard of :(
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  48. # [00:54] <aleray> caitp, basically it would look like: http://dpaste.com/06EZMCC
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  299. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, why does https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcomponents/raw-file/tip/spec/templates/index.html redirect to TR/?
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  340. # [16:58] <wanderview> Domenic: and we're trying to push on the "ignored return value" optimization, but its tricky: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1156797
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  383. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> https://validator.w3.org/nu/
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  385. # [18:35] <MikeSmith> now with "s"
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  397. # [18:40] <annevk> MikeSmith: where are you hanging out this week?
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  399. # [18:41] <MikeSmith> annevk: Akamai office on Market street
  400. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> Hotel is right down the road
  401. # [18:42] <annevk> MikeSmith: ah you're at the TAG thing?
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  403. # [18:42] <MikeSmith> yeah
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  407. # [18:44] <MikeSmith> annevk: where you?
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  410. # [18:45] <annevk> MikeSmith: Mozilla
  411. # [18:45] <annevk> MikeSmith: trying to get through my backlog
  412. # [18:45] <MikeSmith> 了解
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  418. # [18:54] <annevk> Hmm, the WHATWG list too many recipients filter is annoying, can we up the limit Hixie_?
  419. # [18:54] <annevk> Or get active moderation? Heh
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  430. # [19:16] <smaug____> annevk: how do custom elements behave if you for example get a document from XHR, and it has some <div is="foo">s and then you append such elements to the window.document.body and window.document has "foo" registered as custom element
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  461. # [19:57] <annevk> smaug____: I don't think anything would happen in that scenario
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  463. # [19:57] <annevk> smaug____: but I'm not a 100% sure
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  487. # [20:40] <Domenic> web platform test people: is https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/13bff083fba249ed260966bca65319b1b35d3f34/dom/traversal/unfinished named "unfinished" because we should not use it, or...?
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  490. # [20:43] <wanderview> jgraham: ^^^
  491. # [20:43] <Domenic> botie: tell annevk fun fact: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/24 seems to come from an awesome person implementing NodeIterator from scratch from the spec. https://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/pull/1092
  492. # [20:43] <botie> Domenic: i'm not following you...
  493. # [20:43] <Domenic> botie: inform annevk fun fact: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/24 seems to come from an awesome person implementing NodeIterator from scratch from the spec. https://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/pull/1092
  494. # [20:43] <botie> will do
  495. # [20:44] <Domenic> wanderview: (reading scrollback) oh awesome! Wow that [IsThenMethod] is... I feel bad for causing that.
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  497. # [20:47] <wanderview> Domenic: I think that particular nuance went over my head
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  504. # [20:55] <trevnorris> Domenic: is it part of the spec to not be able to call super.call() in a constructor()?
  505. # [20:55] <Domenic> trevnorris: you should be able to, after you do super() at least
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  507. # [20:56] <trevnorris> Domenic: hm. well I wanted to call super.call() in place of super().
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  509. # [20:57] <Domenic> trevnorris: can't do that. A class isn't initialized until its super() is called.
  510. # [20:57] <Domenic> trevnorris: if you want to return something besides whta the superclass allocates then you have to use return-override: var obj = {}; obj.prop = "bar"; return obj;
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  512. # [20:57] <caitp> hmm, I'm not sure
  513. # [20:58] <caitp> you'd have problems if the receiver needed to be used for any SuperProperty
  514. # [20:58] <Domenic> trevnorris: https://esdiscuss.org/topic/super-on-class-that-extends
  515. # [20:58] <caitp> but I'm not sure it should throwin all cases
  516. # [20:58] <trevnorris> Domenic: sure. I was just wondering if there was a way in the immediate future (since io.js 2 won't have restful arguments or the spread operator) to get around doing class constructors with variadic arguments.
  517. # [20:59] <caitp> as implemented in v8, super.call() won't work though
  518. # [20:59] <caitp> you can't really refer to `super` by itself
  519. # [20:59] <caitp> and it's not really an alias for the constructor function
  520. # [20:59] <Domenic> trevnorris: yeah, nothing besides switch :-/. Or just assume that 10 arguments is enough for anyone so you can do super(arguments[0], arguments[1], arguments[2], ~~~)
  521. # [20:59] * Domenic still thinks `this = new super()` avoided all the confusion.
  522. # [20:59] <trevnorris> hahaha. awesome. hopefully none of my constructors would require 10 arguments anyway. :P
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  524. # [21:00] <Domenic> trevnorris: it's really interesting how you're the first person i've seen bring this up. it's so obvious that there's a dependence here but i've never seen it enunciated before. i feel bad we didn't realize and try harder to align shipping schedules.
  525. # [21:01] <trevnorris> caitp: yeah. I see the issue w/ using super.call(). just have this dilemma ATM w/ partial feature implementation. :)
  526. # [21:01] <caitp> well, spreadcalls are implemented, they're just very slow :(
  527. # [21:01] <caitp> or at least, about on par with traceur
  528. # [21:02] <caitp> really hard to optimizethose dynamic argument counts :l
  529. # [21:02] <trevnorris> Domenic: heh. no worries. there are a ton of features going in. i'm surprised things have kept as aligned as they have. :)
  530. # [21:03] <trevnorris> caitp: true. and w/ all the new features i'm sure the V8 team has their hands full trying to optimize all the things.
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  533. # [21:04] <caitp> i seem to have my hands full deoptimizing all the things
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  550. # [21:30] <jgraham> Domenic: No idea
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  552. # [21:30] <jgraham> Domenic: Looking at the tests, they appear to not be in testharness format
  553. # [21:31] <jgraham> So I guess they're unfinished in the sene of "broken"
  554. # [21:31] <Domenic> jgraham: ah right, that is a giveaway. thanks.
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  567. # [22:04] <trevnorris> caitp: hehe. i have wanted to be a fly on the wall in the V8 meetings as they discuss how they're going to implement all these new features while not sacrificing performance.
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  579. # [22:35] <annevk> Hmm, kind of sad that service workers too will require some way to opt into modules
  580. # [22:35] <botie> annevk, at 2015-04-21 18:45 UTC, Domenic said: fun fact: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/24 seems to come from an awesome person implementing NodeIterator from scratch from the spec. https://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/pull/1092
  581. # [22:36] <annevk> Domenic: how's Munich?
  582. # [22:36] <Domenic> annevk: not there yet, going after the F2F friday
  583. # [22:36] <annevk> oh I see, so you're actually here in SF
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  585. # [22:37] <Domenic> annevk: nope, i'm still in nyc, flying out thursday night
  586. # [22:37] <annevk> oh right, no more TAG for you
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  591. # [22:41] <annevk> TabAtkins: I now get "FATAL ERROR: No 'idl' refs found for 'normalize'."
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  615. # [23:09] <TabAtkins> annevk: Yeah, I've got a PR for you. There were a few errors exposed by the new code.
  616. # [23:10] <TabAtkins> Okay, submitted.
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  634. # [23:34] <annevk> TabAtkins: thanks, will take a look in a bit
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  646. # [23:51] <TabAtkins> annevk: Yeah, put it together yesterday, but ran out of power before I could PR it. ^_^
  647. # [23:51] <annevk> TabAtkins: so this still doesn't really work
  648. # [23:52] <annevk> TabAtkins: I got some merge conflict
  649. # [23:52] <annevk> TabAtkins: from your commits I was able to get a bit further though
  650. # [23:52] <annevk> TabAtkins: current complaint is "FATAL ERROR: No 'propdesc' refs found for 'example'. "
  651. # [23:52] <TabAtkins> I fixed that too, hm. Maybe I didn't successfully push? GH was having some service issues yesterday.
  652. # [23:52] <TabAtkins> one sec.
  653. # [23:53] <TabAtkins> Or you can manually fix - there's an example with some JS strings using single quotes.
  654. # [23:53] <TabAtkins> You can either fix those, or turn off the CSS markup shorthands entirely.
  655. # [23:53] <TabAtkins> fix = turn them into double quotes
  656. # [23:54] <Domenic> why ... why can't you use single quotes in your JS?
  657. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> turn off = Add "Markup Shorthands: css no".
  658. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> Domenic: You can't reliably use single quotes, because they're used in some of the CSS markup shorthands. This doesn't matter if the code is in a <pre>, <script>, or <style>, but the ones in question are in a <code>.
  659. # [23:54] <annevk> Now I get a stacktrace...
  660. # [23:55] <TabAtkins> And <code> isn't "opaque" to Bikeshed.
  661. # [23:55] <annevk> "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'printableSpec' referenced before assignment"
  662. # [23:55] <TabAtkins> Ahahaha, one sec, I'm a dummy.
  663. # [23:55] <TabAtkins> Fixed.
  664. # Session Close: Wed Apr 22 00:00:00 2015

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