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  228. # [12:30] <ondras> JakeA: a quick fetch question: is it possible to make a cross-domain anonymous request (no credentials, response available to JS) ?
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  258. # [14:23] <ondras> hmm
  259. # [14:23] <ondras> anyone else with a decent fetch knowledge?
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  265. # [14:41] <JakeA> ondras: no, that's not allowed
  266. # [14:42] <JakeA> Unless the response is CORS
  267. # [14:44] <JakeA> fetch(url) won't use credentials, but if it's cross origin it'll fail unless it passed a CORS check
  268. # [14:44] <ondras> damn
  269. # [14:45] <ondras> that would be a nice feature (as in AnonXMLHttpRequest), something not doable with a XHR I think
  270. # [14:46] <ondras> JakeA: what is the reasoning for not allowing this?
  271. # [14:47] <JakeA> ondras: it'd mean you could use the user as a proxy for content that's supposed to be secured by their wifi login
  272. # [14:47] <JakeA> Intranets etc
  273. # [14:48] <JakeA> Ideally those would have their own login, but that often isn't the case
  274. # [14:49] <ondras> aha, interesting, thanks
  275. # [14:49] <JakeA> Eg "if IP address looks like Apple employee, scan for test servers and see what they're working on"
  276. # [14:49] <ondras> makes full sense.
  277. # [14:49] <ondras> unfortunately, due to absence of progress + abort + timeout, looks like I will have to use XHR for my next project :/
  278. # [14:49] <ondras> good luck on moving forward with these!
  279. # [14:50] <JakeA> Of course, native apps have this ability to scan, but hey
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  281. # [14:50] <JakeA> ondras: cheers. What's your abort use-case btw?
  282. # [14:51] <JakeA> As in, what kind if resources are you likely to abort, and under what conditions?
  283. # [14:51] <ondras> JakeA: in a map app, every time the use pans the viewport, I have to request data from server to display on the map
  284. # [14:51] <ondras> JakeA: this is a potentially lengthy operation and the user can pan/zoom the map frequently
  285. # [14:52] <ondras> I would like to abort the non-completed "lookup" request as soon as a new needs to be generated
  286. # [14:52] <tilal6991> Ms2ger: Hey. I'm working on the implementing the permissions API in blink/chromium along with mounir.
  287. # [14:52] <tilal6991> i.e. the one at https://w3c.github.io/permissions/
  288. # [14:54] <tilal6991> annevk mentioned on our intent to implement that what we have for request may not be valid idl because we cannot distinguish between a dictionary and a sequence of dictionaries
  289. # [14:54] <tilal6991> However, having read the webidl spec, it seems like distinguishing between the two is actually possible
  290. # [14:54] <tilal6991> Can you let me know if this is the case?
  291. # [14:57] <JakeA> ondras: gotcha. Would you say the a abort would more likely occur before receiving any of the response body, or during the response?
  292. # [14:57] <ondras> JakeA: before
  293. # [14:58] <JakeA> ondras: cheers
  294. # [14:59] <ondras> JakeA: good luck with fetch. and thanks for the explanation! :)
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  299. # [15:11] <ondras> Domenic: ?
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  302. # [15:34] <Ms2ger> tilal6991, seems like you might be correct
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  305. # [15:39] <tilal6991> Ms2ger: awesome thnaks :)
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  390. # [18:31] <TabAtkins> tilal6991: Yeah, it *originally* wasn't possible to distinguish, but this was brought up as an issue a while ago, and we decided to make them distinguishable. All it means is that if your dictionary has a .length property as well, it might get mistaken as a sequence accidentally. ^_^
  391. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, sequence uses @@iterator
  392. # [18:32] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Ah, kk. That's safer, then.
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  421. # [19:18] <wanderview> annevk: Domenic: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/streams-f2f-july
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  424. # [19:28] <yhirano_> wanderview: What does "distributed streams" mean?
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  426. # [19:28] <yhirano_> wanderview: sorry, i misread.
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  428. # [19:29] <wanderview> yhirano_: disturbed streams means reading the first part of the stream, unlocking, and then passing it on...
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  430. # [19:29] <yhirano_> wanderview: thanks, then it is part of bodyUsed problem?
  431. # [19:29] <wanderview> so... the idea that partial stream reads should block further use of the Response object
  432. # [19:29] <wanderview> yhirano_: yea, a lot of these are related
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  434. # [19:33] <yhirano_> wanderview: I have a question, can I write to the pad? or is it better to ask here?
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  436. # [19:37] <annevk> yhirano_: either way is fine
  437. # [19:37] <annevk> yhirano_: I guess you're not in SF?
  438. # [19:37] <yhirano_> I'm in japan
  439. # [19:37] <annevk> :/ but thanks for paying attention!
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  441. # [19:39] <yhirano_> IsDisturbed can be called for locked stream? I think it would be good to disallow monitoring locked stream.
  442. # [19:39] <Domenic> good point...
  443. # [19:39] <Domenic> it's not author-accessible though
  444. # [19:41] <Domenic> hmm
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  446. # [19:41] <Domenic> yhirano_: thanks for bringing that up
  447. # [19:41] <yhirano_> respondWith(resp.body); console.log(resp.body.bodyUsed)
  448. # [19:45] <yhirano_> I think "at least one byte was read by already released readers" makes sense.
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  450. # [19:47] <Domenic> it might be easier to just do ".read() was ever called" even if that gives unintuitive results for empty streams
  451. # [19:47] <Domenic> otherwise it's hard to avoid bodyUsed true -> false transitions
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  453. # [19:50] <yhirano_> sorry I don't think my proposal causes true -> false transition.
  454. # [19:51] <Domenic> yhirano_: yes, but I think we want resp.body.json(); resp.bodyUsed === true
  455. # [19:53] <Domenic> yhirano_: otherwise consumers would have to do if (!resp.bodyUsed && !resp.body.locked) { /* can use */ }
  456. # [19:53] <yhirano_> hmm. I thought anyway the author should see .locked
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  458. # [19:54] <annevk> yhirano_: what we're coming around to is that you have explicit empty (null) and maybe empty (a stream where you don't know it's really empty until you start reading it)
  459. # [19:55] <annevk> yhirano_: and that for the latter it's fine that IsDisturbed gets set when you start reading it, even though nothing might end up being read
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  462. # [19:56] <yhirano_> thanks for the explanation.
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  465. # [19:57] <annevk> yhirano_: does it seem acceptable?
  466. # [19:58] <yhirano_> yes.
  467. # [19:58] <Domenic> yay :)
  468. # [19:58] <annevk> \o/
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  470. # [20:00] <yhirano_> read() on maybe empty stream sets IsDisturbed looks not so different from getReader() on maybe empty stream sets IsDisturbed, though
  471. # [20:01] <Domenic> that's true
  472. # [20:02] <Domenic> except that you might use getReader() to observe the stream without disturbing it
  473. # [20:02] <yhirano_> yes...
  474. # [20:02] <Domenic> E.g. with .closed (although that would be messy code) or some potential future .state or .queueSize or similar
  475. # [20:03] <Domenic> so it is probably better to stick with .read()/.cancel() as the disturbers
  476. # [20:03] <wanderview> yea... mutators should disturb... and allow getters without disturbing
  477. # [20:04] <yhirano_> ok, I have no shiny idea then.
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  487. # [20:29] <yhirano_> wanderview, annevk, Domenic: thank you, I have to go to bed...
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  489. # [20:29] <annevk> nn
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  492. # [20:30] <annevk> tilal6991: hmm, it just works? Interesting, I thought dictionary or ... wasn't a thing
  493. # [20:31] <annevk> tilal6991: still not convinced this is the API we want to implement though
  494. # [20:34] <TabAtkins> annevk: It *originally* wasn't a thing, but that ended up being really annoying, so instead we do type-checking on the object first and only match it to dictionary if it fails.
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  499. # [20:52] <annevk> I see
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  543. # [22:37] <Domenic> annevk: https://github.com/whatwg/streams/issues/378
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  552. # [22:59] <Domenic> https://github.com/whatwg/streams/milestones/Fetch%20with%20streams%20integration%20prerequisites
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