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  15. # [00:32] <rcombs> not quite WhatWG material, but does anyone know who I should talk to to try to advance this? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-combs-http-indeterminate-range/
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  19. # [00:42] <gsnedders> rcombs: find out if it's been discussed on any IETF WG mailing list for a start (there's a search list function now!)
  20. # [00:43] <gsnedders> rcombs: try and at least skim what's gone on
  21. # [00:43] <rcombs> gsnedders: I've had some conversation about it on the HTTP WG list, but it's kinda just sat there since April
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  120. # [08:01] <annevk> rcombs: I learned recently that even basic HTTP range support in Gecko is not great
  121. # [08:02] <annevk> rcombs: e.g., no support for multiple ranges in the cache
  122. # [08:02] <rcombs> not a single implementation I'm aware of even parses the Accept-Ranges header per the spec
  123. # [08:02] <rcombs> they all shortcut it in some way
  124. # [08:05] <annevk> Yeah, so it seems unlikely they're interested at this point in complicating their setup
  125. # [08:06] <annevk> It's usually a good idea to try to improve interoperability of the current situation, before adding new features
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  127. # [08:07] <annevk> E.g., by contributing to web-platform-tests
  128. # [08:10] <annevk> miketaylr: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse/issues/1768 :-/
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  161. # [10:03] <annevk> JakeA: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/issues/93
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  164. # [10:16] <annevk> MikeSmith: https://github.com/whatwg/platform.html5.org/pull/11
  165. # [10:16] <annevk> MikeSmith: any ideas?
  166. # [10:16] <annevk> MikeSmith: I think we should just have one link for Media Queries
  167. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> annevk: I agree with you
  168. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> About the caniuse thing, he needs to talk to Fyrd I guess
  169. # [10:18] <MikeSmith> and I wish him luck
  170. # [10:19] <annevk> Yeah, no luck for being mean on prefixes
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  179. # [10:59] <annevk> Going to retweet that ReSpec advice from @WHATWG since that's been the unofficial motto of this channel for years
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  183. # [11:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: I updated a whole bunch of old links in platform.html5.org
  184. # [11:14] <annevk> MikeSmith: and merged four PRs
  185. # [11:14] <annevk> oh, looks like there's another 3 PRs, I guess I can do those too
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  200. # [12:05] <JakeA> annevk: ta, will pick this up now. Back in the country fightin' jetlag
  201. # [12:05] <annevk> JakeA: hehe
  202. # [12:06] <annevk> JakeA: seems like you had a good conference
  203. # [12:07] <JakeA> annevk: yeah, one of the best tbh (and took a couple of days to explore Austin) - shame you weren't there
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  205. # [12:09] <annevk> Could maybe try next year. I didn't know about it and would've been somewhat impossible with my partner being abroad at the moment
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  215. # [12:55] <JakeA> annevk: <link rel="preload" href="/blah" as="image"> - does this have a context of image or preload?
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  231. # [14:07] <annevk> JakeA: undefined
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  241. # [14:46] <MikeSmith> annevk: thanks (platform.html5.org PRs)
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  243. # [14:47] <annevk> MikeSmith: there's a new one if you're up for it
  244. # [14:48] <MikeSmith> ook will check
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  275. # [15:51] <annevk> JakeA: you can't distinguish <form> from <a> for a whole bunch of cases
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  277. # [15:51] <annevk> JakeA: I like your general setup though
  278. # [15:51] <annevk> JakeA: some merger of that and what igrigorik proposed seems reasonable
  279. # [15:52] <JakeA> annevk: when would you want to distinguish the two?
  280. # [15:52] <annevk> JakeA: for CSP
  281. # [15:52] <JakeA> annevk: yeah, that's why I said CSp would need a bit for form submission. Although I wish they'd just redefine in terms of what the page can post/get
  282. # [15:52] <annevk> JakeA: it's not entirely clear to me why https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/content-security-policy/#directive-form-action exists, mind you, but it does...
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  284. # [15:53] <JakeA> hah
  285. # [15:53] <JakeA> snap
  286. # [15:53] <annevk> It's the only value that tries to tackle navigation and does it poorly...
  287. # [15:54] <annevk> JakeA: so navigation you'd discover through request.clientType === "document"
  288. # [15:55] <JakeA> annevk: or "child-document"
  289. # [15:55] <annevk> oh
  290. # [15:55] <annevk> perhaps that should be a distinct axis? the nesting...
  291. # [15:56] <JakeA> yeah, probably, was trying to avoid a new thing that only applied to documents, but maybe isTopLevel makes a return
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  295. # [15:57] <annevk> I guess it's either that or isNavigation makes a return
  296. # [15:57] <annevk> meh
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  299. # [16:02] <JakeA> annevk: for what it's worth, given the use case of showing a fallback page, I probably wouldn't want that for iframes
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  314. # [16:40] <annevk> JakeA: what if it's a third-party iframe?
  315. # [16:41] <JakeA> annevk: hmm, yeah, I guess in that case I'd do the same as if I was opened as top-level (thinking of disqus)
  316. # [16:41] <annevk> or youtube.com
  317. # [16:42] <JakeA> yeah
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  320. # [16:45] <annevk> So if that's the use case you probably want some context about your ancestors
  321. # [16:46] <annevk> Maybe pass on ancestorOrigins
  322. # [16:47] <annevk> Or only use "nested-document" when same-origin... Otherwise "document"
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  325. # [16:47] <annevk> But that seems ugly
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  330. # [17:07] <miketaylr> annevk: "Having to use a prefix is a minor inconvenience"... short term thinking there.
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  333. # [17:15] <annevk> yeah I don't even
  334. # [17:21] <beverloo> annevk, updated the PR. It'll take another iteration, sorry :)
  335. # [17:21] <beverloo> annevk, also, Chrome now returns a Promise for requestPermission(). I'm sending out a PSA later today
  336. # [17:21] <annevk> heh that was quick
  337. # [17:22] <beverloo> It's a trivial change
  338. # [17:22] <annevk> review might have to wait until Monday
  339. # [17:22] <beverloo> No worries, nobody implements this yet
  340. # [17:22] <beverloo> I'm on holiday from Wednesday until the 24th btw
  341. # [17:23] <annevk> nice
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  434. # [20:35] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin (or others who might know): Rust does function overloading on return type as well as argument types. How does it handle functions called only for their side effects, whose return values aren't assigned to anything? Do you have to declare your function as such?
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  440. # [20:42] <TabAtkins> SimonSapin: Never mind, I found it - you return () if you don't declare anything, and are treated as assigning to a () type if you call as a statement.
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  485. # [23:33] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: There is no overloading, but the return type can be generic. If there is not enough context to infer the concrete type for a given call, it’s a build error and you need to add some type annotations.
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  488. # [23:38] <SimonSapin> TabAtkins: str::parse is such a function: http://is.gd/o2gEG1 http://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.str.html#method.parse
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