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  29. # [01:20] <gsnedders> NetVC is aiming at WebRTC and similar things, right? who has (and hasn't) expressed an interest in it?
  30. # [01:20] <gsnedders> I presume it's mostly the normal crowd (Moz, Goog, Op)
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  241. # [09:56] <annevk> philipj: perhaps Firefox throws because 2^32-1 is out of range/index?
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  245. # [10:02] <philipj> annevk: yeah, it would still throw, just for a different reason
  246. # [10:03] <annevk> philipj: indeed, seems like the IDL can be safely changed, but then you need to decide what to do with the value...
  247. # [10:03] <philipj> yep
  248. # [10:03] <annevk> well, "safely", you will get different results
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  269. # [11:38] <annevk> "[T]he reviewer for my registration of application/xhtml+xml in 2014 objected because I was not referring to XHTML 2.0." Thank you darobin, that's comedy gold
  270. # [11:39] <darobin> annevk: :)
  271. # [11:39] <darobin> yeah, MikeSmith and I laughed about that for a while
  272. # [11:39] <darobin> shame the stuff is not public
  273. # [11:39] <darobin> PLH had to stop me from basically strangling them
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  291. # [12:26] <annevk> SimonSapin: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26341 is so true
  292. # [12:26] <annevk> SimonSapin: and over a year old now, I guess I should try to come up with a model that sucks less
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  294. # [12:30] <aleray> Hi, I'm trying to implement a filter in html5lib python to avoid word widows and orphans by replacing the first and last spaces of, let say, paragraphs with non-breaking spaces. it seems more complicate than I initially though because it should handle cases where the paragraphs have sub elements like `em` or `bold`. Any idea how to implement this?
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  300. # [12:50] <annevk> In IE11, if you parse file:#x or file:?x, pathname returns U+FFFD
  301. # [12:50] <annevk> What is even happening?
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  305. # [12:59] <annevk> Hmm, in IE11 on Win10 I can't connect to google.com due to some certificate error...
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  311. # [13:37] <annevk> So the problem was that the time was not accurate inside VirtualBox...
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  313. # [13:37] <annevk> And the time synchronization feature of Windows was broken
  314. # [13:38] <annevk> Which makes me wonder how you'd run time synchronization over HTTPS when you don't know the time yet...
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  346. # [15:08] <SimonSapin> MikeSmith: I’m getting email from buzilla@jessica.w3.org. (A "g" got dropped, making email filters not match anymore. I’ve updated my filter, but maybe this also affects other people.)
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  369. # [16:33] <wanderview> annevk: is there something that wants to run time synchronization over https?
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  371. # [16:33] <annevk> wanderview: an OS should
  372. # [16:33] <annevk> wanderview: otherwise a network attacker can invalidate HSTS entries
  373. # [16:34] <wanderview> annevk: most OS implementations will not slew the clock by huge values from ntp updates
  374. # [16:34] <wanderview> if its outside a reasonable range it just ignored the input
  375. # [16:34] <annevk> wanderview: after I learned about this attack I think there's basically nothing you want to do without HTTPS
  376. # [16:35] <annevk> wanderview: hmm, after I found a server Windows just changed the clock by about a year
  377. # [16:35] <wanderview> annevk: thats a windows bug then :-)
  378. # [16:35] <wanderview> IMO
  379. # [16:35] <wanderview> but some kind of signing on ntp would be cool too
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  387. # [17:07] <annevk> Hmm, halfway rewriting file URL parsing and my Windows VM refuses to boot
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  389. # [17:20] <annevk> So now I can't perform the final checks around Windows drive letter until I download a new 5GiB blob and make it run...
  390. # [17:20] <annevk> More tomorrow I guess...
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  399. # [17:32] <Domenic> annevk: I'll run tests for you!
  400. # [17:32] <Domenic> Sebmaster: ^ movement on file URLs
  401. # [17:32] <Domenic> (in addition to the recent commits)
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  406. # [17:40] <annevk> Domenic: put a list in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23550#c3
  407. # [17:40] <annevk> Domenic: but I think I'll call it a day for now and take a break from file URLs until tomorrow
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  409. # [17:41] <annevk> Domenic: my head is feeling rather fried
  410. # [17:41] <Domenic> annevk: ok, sounds good!
  411. # [17:42] <Sebmaster> Yeah i saw on twitter
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  430. # [18:59] <annevk> TabAtkins: url.bs has some hardcoded references to Encoding through class=anchors
  431. # [18:59] <annevk> TabAtkins: some of those "conflict" with DOM Standard terms
  432. # [18:59] <annevk> TabAtkins: resulting in warnings
  433. # [18:59] <annevk> TabAtkins: how can I avoid the warnings?
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  435. # [19:00] <TabAtkins> They'll only conflict if they're not distinguishable (same text/type/for)
  436. # [19:00] <TabAtkins> Are you doing that on purpose?
  437. # [19:01] <annevk> TabAtkins: Encoding is not yet in Bikeshed
  438. # [19:01] <annevk> TabAtkins: not sure why DOM does not use type/for
  439. # [19:01] <annevk> TabAtkins: I think it does actually
  440. # [19:02] <TabAtkins> I'll look at it, shortcut this process. ^_^
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  442. # [19:02] <annevk> Yeah, DOM uses for=Document
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  446. # [19:07] <TabAtkins> annevk: Oh, it's not the definitions conflicting (directly), it's your autolinks. They're just <a>encoding</a>, which doesn't let Bikeshed know which of the multiple local "encoding" dfns it should pick.
  447. # [19:07] * TabAtkins is considering moving anchors-block things into an intermediate category between local and remote, to avoid this problem happening accidentally.
  448. # [19:08] <annevk> TabAtkins: when I change to <a dfn for>encoding</a> nothing changes
  449. # [19:08] <TabAtkins> Yeah, empty for is no information. :/ Try <a for="/">encoding</a>
  450. # [19:08] <annevk> TabAtkins: but also, it seems that if you define a class=anchors block you should get the shortcut
  451. # [19:08] <TabAtkins> What shortcut?
  452. # [19:09] <annevk> TabAtkins: not having to define anything
  453. # [19:09] <annevk> class=anchors > external stuff
  454. # [19:09] <TabAtkins> Yes.
  455. # [19:09] <TabAtkins> Currently I do that by making them equivalent to local dfns.
  456. # [19:09] <annevk> TabAtkins: so if I need for=/
  457. # [19:09] <annevk> TabAtkins: the warning I get is wrong
  458. # [19:09] <annevk> TabAtkins: it says "Arbitrarily chose the one with type 'dfn' and for ''"
  459. # [19:09] <annevk> TabAtkins: which suggests <a for> to me
  460. # [19:10] <TabAtkins> Ah, indeed. You're totally right about that. That's on me, I'll fix the warning.
  461. # [19:13] <TabAtkins> Hm, actually, I'm only finding one local encoding ref in url.bs - the one from Encoding. I'll need to look into this more, don't make any changes yet.
  462. # [19:14] <annevk> Yeah, using for=/ doesn't help
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  464. # [19:15] <annevk> If I remove the ones from class=anchors though I do get concept-document-encoding from the DOM Standard
  465. # [19:15] <annevk> Weird...
  466. # [19:16] <TabAtkins> Yeah, bug on my part - somehow I'm inserting *two* versions of the Encoding ref into the local anchors db. They're identical, so dunno what's happening, but that's why Bikeshed is complaining about finding multiple of them. ^_^
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  468. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> UGH I FOUND IT
  469. # [19:17] <TabAtkins> "encode" and "encoding" are both returned by the fuzzy matcher for the autolink "encoding".
  470. # [19:18] <TabAtkins> Hm, I wonder how to fix this.
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  473. # [19:25] <TabAtkins> All right, I know how to fix. No change required on your part.
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