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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 14 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  11. # [00:45] <ChALkeR> Hi all.
  12. # [00:46] <ChALkeR> I suppose that there is a mistype in the css3-values spec.
  13. # [00:46] <ChALkeR> Regarding the 1px size.
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  15. # [00:48] <ChALkeR> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#absolute-lengths
  16. # [00:49] <ChALkeR> > The image below illustrates the effect of viewing distance on the size of a reference pixel: a reading distance of 71 cm (28 inches) results in a reference pixel of 0.26 mm, while a reading distance of 3.5 m (12 feet) results in a reference pixel of 1.3 mm.
  17. # [00:49] <ChALkeR> That does not match with the numbers in the image.
  18. # [00:49] <ChALkeR> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/pixel1.png
  19. # [00:50] <TabAtkins> All of them match except it has 138 inch rather than 144
  20. # [00:50] <TabAtkins> Which is 11.5 feet, close.
  21. # [00:50] <TabAtkins> (And is the actual closest inch measurement to 3.5m)
  22. # [00:51] <ChALkeR> 0.28mm and 0.26mm
  23. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> Ah, maybe the old /TR version is different but with newer text.
  24. # [00:51] <ChALkeR> 1.4mm and 1.3mm
  25. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> Don't ever read /TR anyway. https://drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#absolute-lengths
  26. # [00:51] <ChALkeR> Ah, that one has a fixed image, thanks =)
  27. # [00:51] <TabAtkins> np
  28. # [00:53] <ChALkeR> Looks like TR has an old image, compare http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/pixel1.png and https://drafts.csswg.org/css-values/pixel1.png
  29. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> Yeah, the TR one wasn't updated in time I guess.
  30. # [00:53] <TabAtkins> It'll be fixed next time we publish.
  31. # [00:54] <ChALkeR> Ok, thanks =)/
  32. # [00:54] <ChALkeR> («/» is there by an accident)
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  38. # [01:25] <Domenic> ChALkeR: TR stands for trash, never read anything with that in the URL
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  42. # [01:33] <ChALkeR> lol :-)
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  45. # [01:36] <boogyman> Domenic: may I suggestion to add a "dont index" header to things rendering on those domains. Google search: "css spec" gives the CSS 2.1 (TR) link as the first result
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  47. # [01:36] <Domenic> boogyman: believe me, if I controlled those domains I would.
  48. # [01:37] <boogyman> at least it's w3.org and not the schools variant
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  56. # [01:44] <ChALkeR> boogyman: Only in the case if you don't omit the «spec» part…
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  103. # [08:22] <annevk> URL Standard's Twitter hook failed due to an authentication failure...
  104. # [08:22] <annevk> miketaylr: didn't you have something similar with Compat?
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  107. # [08:31] <cvrebert> FYI: w3bug.com is now a thing, just like crbug.com etc; e.g. http://w3bug.com/28673
  108. # [08:33] <annevk> Now it works again...
  109. # [08:34] <annevk> cvrebert: interesting default redirect :-)
  110. # [08:34] <annevk> cvrebert: note that we're mostly migrating everything to GitHub at this point
  111. # [08:35] <cvrebert> annevk: HTML itself seeming to be the exception :-)
  112. # [08:35] <annevk> cvrebert: patience :-)
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  169. # [11:42] <annevk> TabAtkins: if I have for=URL for the model, what would make sense to describe syntax?
  170. # [11:42] <annevk> TabAtkins: for=url-syntax or some such?
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  184. # [13:02] <annevk> philipj: any chance getting updates on https://github.com/whatwg/xhr/issues/19 at some point?
  185. # [13:03] <philipj> annevk: that would be nice, yeah
  186. # [13:03] <philipj> I'll ping some more
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  195. # [13:47] <annevk> Bit annoying to see Blink deprecate getUserMedia() outside of secure contexts now, while earlier opposing this in the standards venue.
  196. # [13:48] <annevk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2014Oct/thread.html#msg79
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  208. # [14:39] <Ms2ger> annevk, r? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2078
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  210. # [14:41] <annevk> Ms2ger: r+
  211. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> Ta
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  217. # [15:12] <annevk> SimonSapin: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26398
  218. # [15:12] <annevk> SimonSapin: note also that HTML currently contains the exact same algorithm
  219. # [15:13] <annevk> SimonSapin: that bit hasn't merged yet
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  221. # [15:19] <annevk> JakeA: https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/632178499915284480 heh. This applies to writing standards too.
  222. # [15:20] <annevk> JakeA: fortunately the couple dozen folks that read a standard will then use that knowledge to change browsers and the web. So there's some ROI.
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  224. # [15:23] <JakeA> Yeah, with standards the benefit is huge even if very few read. I guess in some way it's pretty cool how far developers can get with the web with only a vague understanding of the spec beneath
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  228. # [15:35] <TabAtkins> annevk: Don't use hyphens unless absolutely necessary
  229. # [15:39] <jgraham> Whereas em dashes should — it goes without saying — be used with reckless abandon.
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  232. # [15:49] <SimonSapin> annevk: I haven’t done the testing I said I’d do… a year ago :/
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  235. # [16:00] <annevk> TabAtkins: or maybe syntax can be a different type?
  236. # [16:02] <Ms2ger> Surely em-dashes—unlike en-dashes—should not have spaces around them
  237. # [16:02] <TabAtkins> "grammar" is a type, but I don't know what you're using it for
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  240. # [16:03] <jgraham> Ms2ger: If you want them to look like crap because it says in a book somewhere it's "right" then sure
  241. # [16:06] <annevk> TabAtkins: I want to rewrite https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#url-writing and make it use <dfn>s that are not equivalent to <dfn for=URL>
  242. # [16:06] <annevk> TabAtkins: but I'll probably reuse some terms
  243. # [16:06] <annevk> TabAtkins: it's basically syntax productions
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  251. # [16:49] <annevk> SimonSapin: I figured. I fixed a couple of your issues though, most over a year old... Quick test here with application/x-www-form-urlencoded shows that most code points are escaped by Firefox, so I'll leave that as-is for now at least until HTML references this algorithm rather than a duplicate.
  252. # [16:50] <SimonSapin> ok
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  261. # [17:21] <caitp> you guys were really patient with whatwg/xhr#24, nice
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  263. # [17:26] <annevk> caitp: I'm trying to improve, but I notice I'm still very brief at times
  264. # [17:27] <annevk> caitp: changing habits is hard, fortunately there's tyoshino who does the right thing by default :-)
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  275. # [17:47] <miketaylr> annevk: yeah, but i think it only error'd for the first commit/tweet
  276. # [17:48] <annevk> miketaylr: sortof similar here
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  287. # [18:17] <micahf> hey there! i'm interested in making a "yaml-like" ontology format for myself
  288. # [18:18] <micahf> (for my blog)
  289. # [18:18] <micahf> so the idea is, i will write my blog in plain html (or whatever plain text format i choose)
  290. # [18:19] <micahf> then i will make metadata description files that are basically just yaml with little bits of xpath or regular expressions
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  292. # [18:20] <micahf> so say I use an unordered list for "tags". "tags" would be a property of a blog post
  293. # [18:22] <micahf> then in the yaml there would be a property "tag", with an xpath string that points to the list item values
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  296. # [18:24] <annevk> what's holding you back?
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  299. # [18:26] <micahf> annevk, well, i've heard and read about web ontology formats, but i'm not so familiar with the goals and challenges faced when standards like OWL/RDF were created
  300. # [18:26] <micahf> annevk, part of me wants to get a better understanding, but maybe that would taint my raw, innocent creative spirit
  301. # [18:27] <annevk> micahf: I see, this might be wrong place
  302. # [18:27] <micahf> annevk, how's that?
  303. # [18:28] <annevk> micahf: there's not much semantic web discussion here, I think #swig might be a place where you can go
  304. # [18:29] <micahf> annevk, thanks!
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