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  16. # [01:12] <TabAtkins> annevk: Sorry, attending a funeral this weekend
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  25. # [02:30] <MikeSmith> annevk: thanks, taking a look right now
  26. # [02:34] <frewsxcv> does anyone know why the webidl spec doesn't mention the [[OwnPropertyKeys]] binding in this section? https://heycam.github.io/webidl/#ecmascript-binding
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  31. # [02:58] <MikeSmith> annevk: fwiw (and unrelated to what you pinged me about) I like "syntax violation" but I think optimally we should maybe align the language for this "parse error" stuff across all specs, including the HTML spec, but in the HTML spec, since the tree-construction algorithm also contains "parse error" cases, "syntax violation" may not work for those cases
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  70. # [07:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: isn't anything in the tree builder ultimately a syntax violation?
  71. # [07:13] <annevk> MikeSmith: nothing there is about semantics as far as I know
  72. # [07:14] <annevk> frewsxcv: maybe it's never modified?
  73. # [07:16] <MikeSmith> annevk: yeah especially after looking through a few of the cases in the tree-builder part, I think "syntax violation" would work for those too
  74. # [07:16] <frewsxcv> annevk: what is 'it' referring to?
  75. # [07:17] <MikeSmith> annevk: I had in my mind that some of them were more like lexical violations but I guess that's splitting hairs anyway
  76. # [07:17] <annevk> frewsxcv: [[OwnPropertyKeys]]
  77. # [07:17] <frewsxcv> It should get used for 'supported property names', right?
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  79. # [07:19] <annevk> frewsxcv: are those not stored directly on the object?
  80. # [07:20] <annevk> frewsxcv: so that [[OwnPropertyKeys]] does the right thing?
  81. # [07:21] <frewsxcv> annevk: 'those'?
  82. # [07:22] <annevk> frewsxcv: https://heycam.github.io/webidl/#dfn-named-property-visibility
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  86. # [07:26] <frewsxcv> The implementation for Object.getOwnPropertyNames has different implementation rules for different html collections based on the 'supported property names'.
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  193. # [15:54] <Domenic> Web IDL was largely written in ES5 era. I am not sure [[OwnPropertyKeys]] existed then.
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  203. # [17:31] <jojo-> anyone here of the ppl who authored the appcache part of the html5 spec?
  204. # [17:36] <annevk> jojo-: that'd be Hixie, but he's not around much
  205. # [17:37] <jojo-> annevk: yeah, i figured. i sent an email to him a few days back but haven't gotten a reply yet. guess he's really busy
  206. # [17:37] <annevk> jojo-: the plan is to remove the appcache section and remove support from browsers
  207. # [17:37] <jojo-> lol, what? really?
  208. # [17:37] <jojo-> and why?
  209. # [17:37] <annevk> jojo-: if you want something changed in the HTML Standard best is probably to file a bug or email whatwg@whatwg.org
  210. # [17:37] <jojo-> and what's gonna replace that functionality
  211. # [17:37] <annevk> jojo-: service workers
  212. # [17:38] <jojo-> hmkay, haven't really looked into it yet to be honest
  213. # [17:38] <jojo-> annevk: where would one get that kind of information? is that something discussed on the public whatwg mailing list?
  214. # [17:39] <annevk> jojo-: yeah and public-webapps@w3.org to some extent
  215. # [17:39] <annevk> jojo-: you can also learn a fair bit by following developer advocates on Twitter, not sure there's really one canonical source
  216. # [17:39] <jojo-> so will this be dropped like a hot iron or "phased out / deprecated" with support still lingering in browsers?
  217. # [17:39] <annevk> jojo-: ideally we would've updated the HTML Standard a while ago with this information
  218. # [17:40] <annevk> jojo-: if browsers don't drop support we won't drop it from the spec
  219. # [17:40] <annevk> jojo-: but browsers have plans to remove support
  220. # [17:40] <jojo-> ok, gotta do some more googling then i suppose
  221. # [17:40] <jojo-> guess i'll stay in this channel for the foreseeable future though ;)
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  223. # [17:42] <annevk> jojo-: you should be able to get information on various specs here, especially those pertaining to browsers
  224. # [17:42] <jojo-> cool
  225. # [17:42] <jojo-> are you writing the specs as well?
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  227. # [17:43] <annevk> yup
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  229. # [17:43] <annevk> https://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/User:Annevk keeps track somewhat
  230. # [17:46] <jojo-> thanks. i saw that wiki before but didn't browse the userpages
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  254. # [19:20] <Domenic> Hmm I did not know that Fetch was formerly CORS.
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  263. # [19:57] <jojo-> is there some good guide on how browser caching is implemented in different browser and when the cache is cleared?
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  273. # [21:47] <jojo-> so, may be an old hat for you guys, but nevertheless: https://heipei.github.io/2015/08/20/Persistent-AppCache-Injections/
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  279. # [22:17] <Domenic> botie: tell Ms2ger please review https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2085 to make sure I am not insane
  280. # [22:17] <botie> will do
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  294. # [23:26] <botie> Ms2ger, at 2015-08-16 20:17 UTC, Domenic said: please review https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2085 to make sure I am not insane
  295. # [23:27] <Ms2ger> Domenic, seems possible, will look in the morning
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