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  70. # [02:55] <nikkibee> hi annevk_, I just saw your email
  71. # [02:55] <annevk_> nikkibee: ah hey!
  72. # [02:55] <annevk_> nikkibee: email is still better, not the most reliable connection on the train here
  73. # [02:55] <annevk_> nikkibee: and I have to transfer soonish
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  75. # [02:56] <nikkibee> vakila messaged me after they saw my message on issue 265 and we chatted about that
  76. # [02:56] <nikkibee> gotcha!
  77. # [02:56] <annevk> ah okay, vakila helped you out?
  78. # [02:56] <nikkibee> I was actually in the process of forking the repo when they saw my message on github saying I wanted to do it
  79. # [02:56] <nikkibee> so no problem there
  80. # [02:57] <nikkibee> so if I'm reading you right, working on most of the good first bugs means updating documentation as described, without changing the code. but I need to look at the relevant code to make sure the documentation matches?
  81. # [02:57] <MikeSmith> nikkibee: I'll be around and can help answer questions when needed (I won't be at the TPAC conference myself)
  82. # [02:58] <nikkibee> thanks MikeSmith!
  83. # [02:58] <annevk> nikkibee: nothing requires changes to html-build afaik
  84. # [02:58] <annevk> nikkibee: you only need to change "source", which is HTML
  85. # [02:58] <nikkibee> right
  86. # [02:59] <annevk> nikkibee: but that HTML does describe algorithms and such, which you sometimes will need to understand in order to make a change
  87. # [02:59] <annevk> nikkibee: but you can't really run it, since it's English
  88. # [02:59] <nikkibee> ohh. I get it. these are the html standards
  89. # [02:59] <annevk> nikkibee: so it's a slightly different exercise from writing code in general
  90. # [03:00] <nikkibee> implementations are up to vendors... so there's no code for me to look at to compare documentation to really
  91. # [03:00] <annevk> nikkibee: yeah "source" is basically the HTML standard, and html-build makes it a bit prettier
  92. # [03:00] <annevk> nikkibee: yeah, well, you can of course look at the source code of various browsers
  93. # [03:01] <annevk> nikkibee: or write a testcase/demo to find out what a browser does and whether that matches the standard
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  95. # [03:01] <nikkibee> mhm. but I can't take how one browser does it as necessarily definitive
  96. # [03:01] <annevk> nikkibee: unfortunately not
  97. # [03:02] <annevk> nikkibee: you have to test all the browsers and then make a decision of sorts as to what is best, but we can help you with that once you get there
  98. # [03:02] <nikkibee> thanks
  99. # [03:02] <annevk> nikkibee: most of the good first bugs shouldn't require that much research though
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  101. # [03:02] <nikkibee> just looking at the "source" file?
  102. # [03:02] <annevk> yeah, just looking at that and changing some things around
  103. # [03:03] <nikkibee> I get it a lot better now, thanks
  104. # [03:03] <nikkibee> I'll start with https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/179 like you mentioned in the email
  105. # [03:03] <annevk> nikkibee: improving the documentation is very much welcome though, although not always the most rewarding
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  107. # [03:04] <annevk> I've been meaning to do that, but got distracted
  108. # [03:04] <annevk> back later
  109. # [03:04] <nikkibee> that's alright, right now I'm looking to test the waters in general and get something in on time for my outreachy application
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  119. # [03:47] <nikkibee> https://github.com/whatwg/html#pull-requests I don't understand the 100 characters convention
  120. # [03:48] <nikkibee> does this only apply to the text that will be shown? because a lot of lines go beyond 100 characters
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  130. # [04:21] <nikkibee> https://github.com/whatwg/html-build#prerequisites is it possible to follow this on windows? like using cygwin or something
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  137. # [04:30] <Domenic> nikkibee: it applies to the length of lines in the source file
  138. # [04:30] <Domenic> nikkibee: cygwin might work; I have not tried it. I use a Linux machine and most people seem to use Macs.
  139. # [04:31] <nikkibee> I thought it meant line length. but a lot of lines don't follow it
  140. # [04:31] <nikkibee> should I fix up lines in the same section that I'm working on rn?
  141. # [04:31] <nikkibee> I got a linux vm which I'm competent with, I just find it easier and faster to edit files on the host os
  142. # [04:32] <Domenic> nikkibee: generally we only fix up the smallest number of lines possible, to avoid generating diffs that are just moving whitespace around.
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  144. # [04:32] <nikkibee> that makes sense
  145. # [04:33] <nikkibee> I'll try out cygwin later, right now I just want to get my first PR in :)
  146. # [04:33] <Domenic> :)
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  150. # [04:39] <nikkibee> Domenic: for the line length, is it okay to split a <> block in half or so?
  151. # [04:40] <nikkibee> like I have a part where "<code data-x="dom-windowtimers-setTimeout">" is at the end of a line and half-way through it hits the 100 character limit
  152. # [04:40] <nikkibee> should I put a line-break there, or right before the whole block?
  153. # [04:43] <Domenic> nikkibee: it is OK to split that after "<code" but not anywhere else
  154. # [04:44] <nikkibee> gotcha! thanks
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  156. # [04:44] <nikkibee> I'd rather split it at the start cause it's only a 5 character difference, and it's more readable that way imo. that's OK too, right?
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  158. # [04:46] <Domenic> sure, np
  159. # [04:46] <nikkibee> good
  160. # [04:49] <nikkibee> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/179 I'm working on this issue, and I noticed near the start of the timers section, right above the big note block giving an overview of the functions, is the html comment <!-- in practice clearInterval() and clearTimeout() are synonyms, but we don't mention this here -->
  161. # [04:49] <nikkibee> since I'm now clarifying that this is the case, should I remove that comment, since it's contradictory to the section?
  162. # [04:52] <Domenic> yes, that seems like a good idea
  163. # [04:53] <nikkibee> done
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  167. # [05:16] <nikkibee> https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/282 PR made! @ Domenic
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  179. # [05:41] <nikkibee> hey Domenic, I'm having a hard time with squashing
  180. # [05:42] <nikkibee> http://gitready.com/advanced/2009/02/10/squashing-commits-with-rebase.html I've been shown to follow this which I can do fine
  181. # [05:42] <nikkibee> but after squashing the commits I'm not sure what to do next
  182. # [05:42] <nikkibee> I did some history digging with somebody else and last time I did `git push origin master -f`, but they I was talking to about it said I should check with you about running that
  183. # [05:48] <Domenic> nikkibee: git push origin master -f is fine in this case
  184. # [05:48] <nikkibee> thanks
  185. # [05:52] <nikkibee> oof I must've done something wrong cause there's four commits now :S
  186. # [05:53] <caitp> uh oh
  187. # [05:53] <nikkibee> I tried to rebase again to change the syntaxt of the commit message to follow this better https://github.com/erlang/otp/wiki/Writing-good-commit-messages
  188. # [05:55] <caitp> if you do `git rebase -i HEAD~4` and replace `pick` with `s` in the text editor, and then force push, you should be okay
  189. # [05:55] <Domenic> Also when editing the commit message be sure to remove the previous ones instead of leaving them there
  190. # [05:56] <caitp> er, except for the first commit, leave that one as pick --- and uh, make sure they're all your commits
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  193. # [05:57] <nikkibee> alright, I've done all of those now
  194. # [05:58] <nikkibee> argh that didn't turn out right
  195. # [05:59] <caitp> it has the changes from at least 3 of the commits, the diff looks pretty close to how it did before
  196. # [05:59] <nikkibee> but the commit title isn't what I left behind, and the full message has all the stuff from before for some reason
  197. # [06:00] <caitp> easy fix: git commit --amend
  198. # [06:00] <caitp> and force push again
  199. # [06:00] <nikkibee> thanks :)
  200. # [06:00] <nikkibee> how do I delete a line in VIM? I seem unable to
  201. # [06:01] <nikkibee> I've deleted like. all the text except the commit message I want
  202. # [06:01] <nikkibee> but I have a bunch of blank lines before and after I can't seem to remove
  203. # [06:01] <caitp> in the not-insertion-mode, press `d` twice to delete a single line that you're on
  204. # [06:01] <nikkibee> thanks
  205. # [06:02] <nikkibee> I just realized I can do it in insert mode, I just accidentally left it
  206. # [06:02] <nikkibee> there we go
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  208. # [06:04] <nikkibee> Domenic: how does it look now? https://github.com/whatwg/html/pull/282
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  213. # [06:10] <Domenic> nikkibee: almost right. Go with "Fixes #179: Add note about clearing timers" (titles don't consist of two sentences, and you want to use present tense consistently)
  214. # [06:10] <nikkibee> that makes more sense
  215. # [06:11] <nikkibee> done and pushed @ Domenic
  216. # [06:12] <Domenic> nikkibee: perfect! Now I just need to dig out my Linux machine to verify and merge... might take ~15 minutes, I'm in the middle of some packing for a trip.
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  220. # [06:15] <nikkibee> alright, sounds good
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  232. # [06:49] <nikkibee> urk I think I hit a weird key combo in vim by mistake
  233. # [06:50] <nikkibee> it took me back to the git prompt but I can't do anything, anything I type just makes "More?" appear on the input line
  234. # [06:51] <Domenic> nikkibee: there are ways to set the git editor to something less crazy than vim...
  235. # [06:51] <Domenic> nikkibee: probably to get out of your current state, Ctrl+C?
  236. # [06:51] <nikkibee> ctrl+c just makes the git prompt line appear again
  237. # [06:51] <nikkibee> I'm still stuck in this
  238. # [06:51] <nikkibee> can I make the git editor default to like, sublime text?
  239. # [06:52] <nikkibee> I don't want to close the terminal cause I'm in the middle of rebasing
  240. # [06:52] <Domenic> yeah you can, there's a slight trick to it, let me find that
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  242. # [06:53] <Domenic> i would close the terminal then reopen it and do "git rebase --abort" so you can get into a fresh state
  243. # [06:53] <nikkibee> okay, that sounds fine then
  244. # [06:54] <Domenic> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8951275/how-can-i-make-sublime-text-the-default-editor-for-git/9408117#9408117
  245. # [06:54] <nikkibee> that's rad, thanks
  246. # [06:55] <nikkibee> I miss the handy text colouring to let me know what I'm doing right, but this is much less stressful
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  249. # [06:57] <caitp> theres probably a git syntax highlighter for sublime, isnt there?
  250. # [06:57] <nikkibee> not by default it doesn't look like
  251. # [06:58] <nikkibee> these files don't have an extension so I'm not sure how sublime would pick up on it
  252. # [06:59] <caitp> looks like there are lots of git plugins for it
  253. # [06:59] <nikkibee> that would be handy! I'm sure if there's plugins they know how to get sublime to recognize it
  254. # [07:00] <nikkibee> I've squashed and pushed the commits again @ Domenic
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  256. # [07:07] <Domenic> nikkibee: great, re-building now!
  257. # [07:09] <nikkibee> :)
  258. # [07:11] <Domenic> Yay, merged!! Thank you so much!
  259. # [07:11] <nikkibee> :D thank you too for all the help!
  260. # [07:11] <nikkibee> I'm excited to be part of this
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  262. # [07:14] <Domenic> \o/
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  493. # [16:26] <Ms2ger> TabAtkins, where does bikeshed get its [[REFS]]?
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  503. # [16:58] <TabAtkins> Ms2ger: Mostly SpecRef, but also Bikeshed's linking database (if [[ref]] is the shortname of a spec indexed by Shepherd/Bikeshed, it'll link).
  504. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> Pointer? It's missing OMGIDL
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  592. # [20:00] <hatmaker> Hello!
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  594. # [20:00] <nikkibee> hello
  595. # [20:00] <botie> privet, nikkibee
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  626. # [20:31] <nikkibee> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/configuration.html#branch I'm following these steps for https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/2277
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  628. # [20:31] <nikkibee> I'm trying to think of a good name for the branch
  629. # [20:31] <nikkibee> "timers-cleartimeout-clearinterval"?
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  633. # [20:39] <nox> https://reviewable.io/reviews/servo/servo/8114#-K1BFtVuDw8ymsMAeG5Q Apparently, dataset is badly specified, could someone clarify whether this is intended or not?
  634. # [20:39] <nox> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/dom.html#custom-data-attribute 'name starts with the string "data-", has at least one character after the hyphen'
  635. # [20:40] <nox> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/dom.html#dom-dataset 'For each content attribute on the element whose first five characters are the string "data-" and whose remaining characters (if any)'
  636. # [20:40] <nox> That 'if any' contradicts the first HTML spec link I pasted.
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  640. # [20:55] <jgraham> nikkibee: The branch name doesn't matter at all, but that sounds fine
  641. # [20:55] <nikkibee> okay, thanks
  642. # [20:55] <jgraham> I mean having something somewhat descriptive helps, but it's shortlived anyway
  643. # [20:55] <jgraham> nox: Without reading the spec that sounds like UA requirements vs author requirements
  644. # [20:57] <nikkibee> https://github.com/nikkisquared/web-platform-tests#running-the-tests I'm trying to follow this and I get an error from a python file after running ./serve
  645. # [20:57] <nikkibee> note that I'm on windows
  646. # [20:58] <nikkibee> I followed the windows notes
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  648. # [20:58] <nikkibee> https://gist.github.com/nikkisquared/5217fb6847348e149107 this is the error
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  650. # [20:59] <nikkibee> I tried following the note at the end about `openssl` not working on the commandline but I don't think I'm doing it right
  651. # [20:59] <nikkibee> it doesn't work on the command line for me, even though I put it in the path
  652. # [21:00] <nikkibee> oh what the! the path didn't save my changes
  653. # [21:01] <nikkibee> I can run `openssl` now but I still get that error
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  656. # [21:03] <nikkibee> I'd like knowing I can run the tests myself
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  664. # [21:27] <nox> jgraham: Oh I see.
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  666. # [21:31] <Domenic> Wasn't there some attempt at making inputEl.files assignable? sicking might remember?
  667. # [21:32] <sicking> Domenic: yeah. Mainly we need the .item() problem solved
  668. # [21:33] <Domenic> sicking: but couldn't we allow inputEl.files = any sequence and then convert it to a FileList? Separately from fixing FileList vs. array
  669. # [21:33] <sicking> Domenic: i think that's the only remaining blocker
  670. # [21:33] <sicking> Domenic: true, we could. You couldn't express that in WebIDL, though that's a relatively small hurdle
  671. # [21:33] <Domenic> Hmm I see.
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  720. # [23:53] <TabAtkins> sicking: Use a getter/setter pair and some prose.
  721. # [23:53] <sicking> TabAtkins: that doesn't let us use the .files syntax, does it?
  722. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> ms2ger: https://github.com/tobie/specref
  723. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> sicking: Of course it does.
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  725. # [23:54] <TabAtkins> getter/setter pairs looks like an attributde
  726. # [23:54] <sicking> that's webidl syntax i don't know if on that case
  727. # [23:56] <sicking> oh, i don't think we'd want the overhead of turning HTMLInputElement into a proxy, if that's what you're referring to?
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