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- # [08:37] <annevk> Hmm, still no review
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- # [09:23] <annevk> jgraham: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2283
- # [09:23] <annevk> jgraham: changes seem correct
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- # [09:52] <jgraham> annevk: You don't have the ability to merge?
- # [09:52] <annevk> jgraham: no
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- # [09:53] <jgraham> annevk: Fixed that, thanks for the review
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- # [11:24] <zcorpan> annevk: Domenic: do you have an objection to changing the return value for add() in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29061 ?
- # [11:29] * Ms2ger is not convinced
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- # [11:34] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: why not?
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- # [11:48] <annevk> zcorpan: the known tokens approach seems better
- # [11:49] <yoav> annevk: pointer to that approach?
- # [11:49] <annevk> yoav: it's explained in the issue
- # [11:50] <yoav> So the approach outlined in comment 8?
- # [11:51] <zcorpan> annevk: it makes legacy browsers go into the "supported" branch
- # [11:54] <zcorpan> iframe.sandbox.add('foo'); /* ignore */ if (iframe.sandbox.has('foo')) { /* supported, or legacy browser */ }
- # [11:56] <zcorpan> i don't mind doing what comment 8 says (sans throwing), but it seems nice to have legacy browsers go into the unsupported branch, which is what boolean return value for add() does
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- # [11:57] <zcorpan> i.e. if (iframe.sandbox.add('foo')) { /* supported */ } else { /* unsupported or legacy browser */ }
- # [11:58] <yoav> +1 to the latter
- # [12:05] <yoav> zcorpan: the `toggle()` case https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-domtokenlist-toggle seems more complicated to handle then `add()`, since it already returns false in various cases
- # [12:05] <yoav> we could also add that it returns false when trying to add an invalid token
- # [12:07] <yoav> So add to https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#dom-domtokenlist-toggle before step 4.2 "if token is invalid, return false"
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- # [12:08] <zcorpan> so the semantic right now for toggle is to return false if the token was removed, and return true if it's added, afaict
- # [12:09] <zcorpan> maybe we should think about what remove() should do, and then toggle() becomes clearer what it should do
- # [12:11] <zcorpan> i think remove/contains don't need to validate. and toggle should then only validate just before adding, not for removing
- # [12:12] <zcorpan> but that is mostly arm-chair reasoning on my part. would be nice to walk though a real example that uses toggle
- # [12:15] <yoav> zcorpan: FWIW, I agree with your arm-chair reasoning
- # [12:16] <yoav> since if an invalid token would never get in, there's no point in validating on the way out
- # [12:16] <yoav> and for feature detection purposes, a single method is enough
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- # [12:17] <Ms2ger> I think it would be really weird if add() only worked on some strings
- # [12:17] <Ms2ger> Btw, how does this scale to classList?
- # [12:18] <yoav> classList won't implement a validation algorithm, which means everything is valid
- # [12:21] <zcorpan> yoav: invalid things could get in from the html parser or .rel = 'foo bar'; or setAttribute and so on
- # [12:22] <yoav> zcorpan: good point
- # [12:23] <yoav> still, if all we need is feature detection (which is the use case at hand for both iframe and link), add/toggle would be enough
- # [12:24] <yoav> also, being unable to remove invalid values added elsewhere would be weird
- # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Note that toggle already returns a boolean
- # [12:28] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: right
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- # [12:31] * zcorpan only finds test cases using toggle()
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- # [12:33] <zcorpan> so back at the armchair, the boolean return value would be consistent with current toggle: if the token is added, return true, otherwise return false
- # [12:34] <zcorpan> and we only add the token in add() and toggle() if it's valid
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- # [12:34] <Ms2ger> Why?
- # [12:35] <Ms2ger> I think that would be very surprising, and I'm not convinced it
- # [12:35] <Ms2ger> 'd be compatible
- # [12:35] <zcorpan> so that you can check if a keyword is supported, and have current browsers fall into the "unsupported" branch
- # [12:36] <Ms2ger> That's what the return value is for
- # [12:36] <Ms2ger> I don't see a use case for dropping the token on the floor too
- # [12:36] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: oh, do you just find the validation thing surprising?
- # [12:36] <zcorpan> ok
- # [12:36] <zcorpan> i can live with that, but anne and dominic argued for that, to be consistent with "limited to only known values"
- # [12:39] <Ms2ger> Doesn't that still setAttribute()?
- # [12:39] * Ms2ger pulls up the spec
- # [12:39] * zcorpan parse error
- # [12:39] <Ms2ger> "and on setting, the content attribute must be set to the specified new value."
- # [12:40] <Ms2ger> So what I suggested is more in line with "limited to only known values"
- # [12:40] <zcorpan> ....yes, yes you're right
- # [12:54] <yoav> Ms2ger: makes sense to me
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- # [12:55] <Ms2ger> Always nice if existing practice agrees with you :)
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- # [13:49] <zcorpan> should DOMTokenList be ascii-case-insensitive for <link rel> and <iframe sandbox>?
- # [13:58] <Ms2ger> And classList in quirks?
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- # [14:07] <annevk> Ms2ger: not really sure if that is more in line
- # [14:08] <annevk> Ms2ger: perhaps if you're only comparing the setter and add()
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- # [14:09] <Ms2ger> These seem the relevant things to compare
- # [14:12] <annevk> Ms2ger: so would then compare the getter with the iterator?
- # [14:12] <annevk> Ms2ger: it's a rather incomplete model
- # [14:13] <Ms2ger> Sure
- # [14:14] <Ms2ger> But there doesn't seem to be much precedent for dropping changes to content attributes
- # [14:14] <annevk> It just wouldn't propagate to the content attribute
- # [14:14] <annevk> There isn't much precedent for this kind of API either way
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- # [14:22] <yoav> Took a stab at adding the hooks: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/pull/103
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- # [14:55] <annevk> yoav: I think only doing something with add() is really weird
- # [14:55] <yoav> annevk: do you think we need to add something similar to toggle()?
- # [14:55] <yoav> or also remove and contains?
- # [14:56] <yoav> I can think of a way to easily add a false return for toggle, less so for remove and contains
- # [14:58] <annevk> yoav: the other problem I see is that this doesn't deal with case-sensitivity
- # [15:00] <yoav> annevk: yeah, I saw the discussion here after I sent the PR. I'll add case sensitivity to the validation algo
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- # [15:01] <annevk> But in general this design just seems rather weird
- # [15:03] <yoav> annevk: something in particular that bothers you, outside of the issues you already mentioned?
- # [15:03] * yoav gotta go now, but will check logs in a short while
- # [15:03] <annevk> yoav: I can't quite put my finger on it :-/
- # [15:04] <annevk> Something with having this new internal slot and only add() using it for a return value that indicates support and not wether something got added or not
- # [15:04] <annevk> It just seems rather confusing
- # [15:05] <annevk> And by not tying that "supported list" to values that can actually be added there's a fair chance implementations will not keep the two in lockstep
- # [15:06] <annevk> Which the getter/setter design of "known values" does not have in the slightest
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- # [15:43] <annevk> wanderview: good morning!
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- # [15:43] <annevk> wanderview: and also: https://github.com/whatwg/fetch/pull/146 😊
- # [15:46] <wanderview> annevk: looking
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- # [15:54] <annevk> wanderview: ta
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- # [15:54] <wanderview> np... kind of nit picky I guess
- # [15:54] <annevk> wanderview: nooo I think you found a problem
- # [15:55] <wanderview> annevk: did you guys ever get to discuss foreign fetch at tpac?
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- # [15:57] <yoav> annevk: ms2ger raised concerns that changing the behavior of "add()" is likely to result in web compat issues https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29061#c17
- # [15:57] <yoav> I'm fine with it either way
- # [15:59] <annevk> wanderview: we did briefly
- # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Not sure about "likely", just "more likely"
- # [15:59] <annevk> wanderview: but not in detail
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- # [16:37] <annevk> hsivonen: https://twitter.com/ken_lunde/status/661351862155669506
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- # [16:38] <wanderview> annevk: so basically the f2f was still focused on "v1" things?
- # [16:39] <annevk> wanderview: yes
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