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  139. # [07:45] <annevk> smaug: because table sorting is cool!
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  152. # [08:33] <annevk> Where in http://testthewebforward.org/docs/ is information on how to work with cross-origin tests?
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  154. # [08:35] * annevk finds http://testthewebforward.org/docs/test-format-guidelines.html#tests-involving-multiple-origins
  155. # [08:35] <odinho> There's someone who always mentions table sorting. Maybe brucel?
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  157. # [08:38] <annevk> odinho: also https://twitter.com/sil
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  162. # [08:57] <MikeSmith> IMHO it's a failure of the priority of constituencies that we're not prioritizing table sorting higher
  163. # [08:57] <MikeSmith> it's something that normal end users would get a lot of benefit from
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  166. # [08:59] <annevk> Hmm, http://天気の良い日.web-platform.test does not work locally? Lame
  167. # [09:01] <annevk> Never mind, port issue
  168. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> annevk: port?
  169. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> yeah
  170. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> http://xn--n8j6ds53lwwkrqhv28a.web-platform.test:8000/
  171. # [09:01] <MikeSmith> 8000
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  174. # [09:06] <annevk> protip, use window.close() and not close() from an attribute event handler
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  176. # [09:07] <annevk> the latter will invoke document.close() and leave you puzzled
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  178. # [09:07] <annevk> MikeSmith: also needed to add <meta charset=utf-8> btw, but that was more obvious
  179. # [09:08] <MikeSmith> annevk: why did you need to add it?
  180. # [09:08] <MikeSmith> ah, for a particular test
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  183. # [09:18] <annevk> MikeSmith: yeah, to make those non-ASCII code points appear properly
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  191. # [09:32] <odinho> annevk: Ah, yes. True, I've seen that.
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  208. # [10:25] <mkwst> annevk: Given the validation that Yoav added to DOMTokenList in https://github.com/whatwg/dom/commit/63a030265fc3dac400a99f729fd5874490ae335c, what's the expected feature detection code we'd want developers to use?
  209. # [10:25] <mkwst> Something like `var x = document.createElement('iframe'); if (x.sandbox.add('x')) { ... }`?
  210. # [10:27] <annevk> mkwst: yeah, that's what yoav suggested
  211. # [10:27] <annevk> mkwst: he submitted a patch to HTML too, but hasn't addressed my feedback yet
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  213. # [10:30] <mkwst> Got it.
  214. # [10:30] <mkwst> Thanks!@
  215. # [10:32] <annevk> yw#$
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  218. # [10:35] <zcorpan> annevk: yeah in general avoiding barewords in event handler attributes is a good idea :-)
  219. # [10:36] <annevk> zcorpan: yeah, I guess I shouldn't even try it, but I kinda appreciate the minimalism
  220. # [10:37] <annevk> zcorpan: though of course, the more often you do that, the less extensible everything becomes
  221. # [10:38] <zcorpan> JS/DOM in general is pretty hostile to extensibility
  222. # [10:46] <annevk> In a certain way, yes, but in a lot of ways, also no
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  230. # [11:25] <tobie> What's the long term idea with HTML event loop vs EcmaScript job queues?
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  232. # [11:27] <tobie> context: ideally the generic sensor api could be implementable both in nodejs and within a browser, trying to understand and list why it's not possible in practice.
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  234. # [11:39] <annevk> tobie: I think ideally ECMAScript defers logic to the host, but different folks have different ideas :/
  235. # [11:39] <tobie> reading JakeA's post on the event loop right now which points to https://esdiscuss.org/topic/the-initialization-steps-for-web-browsers#content-16
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  237. # [11:42] <annevk> tobie: yeah, there's a ton of unresolved issues at the moment
  238. # [11:42] <annevk> tobie: it's not entirely clear how to resolve them and nobody seems super keen on doing the work
  239. # [11:43] <tobie> annevk: right--
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  241. # [11:43] <tobie> it's interesting because nodejs seems to implement a browser-like event loop system with tasks and microtasks (though I should check)
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  250. # [12:32] <annevk> MikeSmith: any idea why https://github.com/whatwg/html/search?l=html doesn't list "source" and why there's still a .inc file listed as PHP?
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  260. # [12:52] <annevk> jgraham: reviewable still seems enabled? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2356
  261. # [12:52] <annevk> jgraham: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2329 currently looks not okay due to reviewable, while I did address all the feedback
  262. # [12:52] <annevk> jgraham: I just don't want to create yet another account
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  264. # [12:54] <jgraham> annevk: reviewable uses your GH account
  265. # [12:54] <jgraham> But I will try to disable it
  266. # [12:55] <jgraham> It seems to be disabled for new PRs
  267. # [12:56] <annevk> jgraham: well I just created that PR
  268. # [12:56] <annevk> 8 minutes ago that is
  269. # [12:57] <jgraham> OK I also removed the webhook
  270. # [12:58] <jgraham> Pretty sure that's a bug in reviewable
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  273. # [13:02] <mkwst> Reviewable looks great, but it requested write access to my repositories. I'd prefer that not be required to submit tests. :)
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  275. # [13:12] <nox> mkwst: I'm not seeing this.
  276. # [13:12] <nox> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uTe9h3Am/Capture%20d%E2%80%99e%CC%81cran%202015-11-18%20a%CC%80%2013.12.28.png
  277. # [13:12] <nox> mkwst: ^
  278. # [13:15] <mkwst> nox: Click publish after adding a comment.
  279. # [13:15] <mkwst> That ends up asking me for write permissions to repositories.
  280. # [13:15] <mkwst> See the first answer on https://github.com/Reviewable/Reviewable/wiki/FAQ :)
  281. # [13:16] <mkwst> Totally reasonable explanation (GitHub's permissions aren't granular enough). But still.
  282. # [13:24] <nox> Oh I see.
  283. # [13:25] <nox> GitHub's permissions generally suck, yeah.
  284. # [13:29] <roc> I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that
  285. # [13:30] <roc> I wanted to give an application push access to one specific repository under my account with an API key, but that seems to be impossible. You can only create API keys that have write access to *all* repos your account can write to.
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  292. # [14:06] <philipj> roc: I think I did that when I maintained the html-mirror repo, using a deploy key
  293. # [14:06] <Ms2ger> roc, there's an easy solution, but it involves creating a new account :)
  294. # [14:06] <philipj> is that what you've tried, or are you all talking about something else?
  295. # [14:07] <philipj> oh, applications..., yeah that's something completely different
  296. # [14:07] <MikeSmith> > annevk: MikeSmith: any idea why https://github.com/whatwg/html/search?l=html doesn't list "source" and why there's still a .inc file listed as PHP?
  297. # [14:07] <MikeSmith> no idea
  298. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> I'm not sure how to control the behavior
  299. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> I don't know if the .gitattributes file affects that
  300. # [14:10] <roc> Ms2ger: yeah. that's horrible :-)
  301. # [14:12] <roc> While you github fans are here: if I want to have HTML-format documentation checked in alongside the code in a project, but I also want to have the latest checkout of that documentation available on the Web, what are my options?
  302. # [14:13] <Ms2ger> You can have travis publish to another git repo and use gh-pages
  303. # [14:13] <Ms2ger> That's how https://servo.github.io/rust-cssparser/cssparser/index.html works
  304. # [14:14] <philipj> roc: If you want to publish it on your own domain or something, a webhook that just pulls the latest into your ~/www or similar works too
  305. # [14:14] <Ms2ger> (Except that it pushes to a branch in the same repo for some reason)
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  308. # [14:14] <roc> ick
  309. # [14:14] <roc> ok
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  400. # [18:59] <smaug____> annevk: want to do a sanity check? push/replaceState https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/browsers.html#dom-history-pushstate don't seem to care at all whether the current entry is actually for the document for which the history object was created. I mean a case when one takes a reference to a history object and then navigates browser context to some other page, yet uses the old history object
  401. # [18:59] <smaug____> maybe I'm missing something here
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  410. # [19:32] <gsnedders> Hixie_: yer site's down
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  413. # [19:40] <tantek> gsnedders: I thought he was on G+ now
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  415. # [19:45] <Domenic> So in the spirit of the topic... is there a spec for navigator.javaEnabled?
  416. # [19:45] <Domenic> I guess I should check the html spec instead of just google... it'll be embarassing if it's there
  417. # [19:46] <Domenic> OK it does exist in the spec but is an attribute not a property
  418. # [19:46] <Domenic> s/property/method
  419. # [19:48] <Hixie_> whatwg.org just got updated to a newer distro
  420. # [19:49] <Hixie_> let me know if anything broke
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  460. # [21:30] <gsnedders> ergh. feeling like I have to use sync xhr. :(
  461. # [21:31] <gsnedders> tl;dr: need to open a pop-up conditionally, depending on the result from an XHR request
  462. # [21:31] <gsnedders> and I can't use async XHR because then it's not a user-initiated window.open call
  463. # [21:31] <gsnedders> I suppose I could always open an about:blank popup and then close it depending on the XHR response, but that seems like a poor work-around
  464. # [21:32] <gsnedders> or just reimplement popups using an iframe and position absolute…
  465. # [21:32] <gsnedders> suggestions, anyone?
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  491. # [22:31] <darobin> gsnedders: can you maybe do the XHR call before the user clicks? get the data in advance
  492. # [22:31] <darobin> otherwise, yeah, go with a modal+iframe
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  495. # [22:33] <gsnedders> nah, an iframe is a bad idea actually, given no browser chrome to give URL + security status, bah
  496. # [22:33] <gsnedders> guess just doing a probably pointless XHR call is best
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  500. # [22:46] <caitp> is there any reason why an iframe couldn't display security status?
  501. # [22:46] <caitp> like a little overlayed frowny face
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  503. # [22:47] <roc> compat
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  505. # [22:50] <caitp> if it's a potential phishing attack, the compat issue is probably second to the phishing issue
  506. # [22:52] <zcorpan> if we identify a phishing attack, don't we basically block the page?
  507. # [22:52] <caitp> ideally
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  510. # [22:54] <caitp> or, the security advisory could show up outside of the iframe when you tried to interact with it
  511. # [22:54] <caitp> i'm sure there are clever ways around that issue
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  513. # [22:58] <bblfish> annevk: is there a way to reduce the number of connections when using CORS? My server connects with a GET to remote resource. I think it 1) makes an OPTIONS request. This 2) returns a GET with a 401 and then 3) one gets the result
  514. # [22:59] <gsnedders> is there anyway to find declarations with a given selector in CSSOM easily?
  515. # [23:00] <gsnedders> like, better than just iterating through the entire Stylesheet?
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