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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 30 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #xhtml
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  14. # [15:39] <Tina> Good afternoon, Shane :)
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  16. # [15:41] <Tina> And good afternoon, Steven.
  17. # [15:41] <Steven> Hey there
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  22. # [15:52] <AGraf|mb> Is it possible to use the Zakim bridge with Skype?
  23. # [15:58] <ShaneM> only by dialing the land line number as far as I know
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  25. # [15:59] <Steven> That's right
  26. # [15:59] <AGraf|mb> hm
  27. # [16:00] <AGraf|mb> I'm without a phone right now
  28. # [16:00] <AGraf|mb> only my private cell
  29. # [16:00] <ShaneM> I always use skype via skypeout for these calls. works well
  30. # [16:01] <Steven> I have heard that sometimes skype has problems generating the right DTMF tones
  31. # [16:01] <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
  32. # [16:01] <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I don't know what conference this is
  33. # [16:01] <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
  34. # [16:01] <Zakim> ok, Steven, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started
  35. # [16:01] <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
  36. # [16:01] <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
  37. # [16:01] <Zakim> +Steven
  38. # [16:02] <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
  39. # [16:02] <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020
  40. # [16:02] * Steven changes topic to 'Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007May/0020'
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  44. # [16:02] <Steven> Regrets: Susan
  45. # [16:03] <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here
  46. # [16:03] <Zakim> markbirbeck, you need to end that query with '?'
  47. # [16:03] <markbirbeck> zakim, who is here?
  48. # [16:03] <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa
  49. # [16:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P5, [IBM], Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa
  50. # [16:03] <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Rich, AGraf|mb, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, ShaneM, Tina, AGraf, krijnh
  51. # [16:03] <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Tina
  52. # [16:03] <Steven> zakim, [IBM] is Rich
  53. # [16:03] <Zakim> +Tina; got it
  54. # [16:04] <Steven> zakim, ??P5 is ShaneM
  55. # [16:04] <Zakim> +Rich; got it
  56. # [16:04] <Zakim> +??P20
  57. # [16:04] <Zakim> +??P24
  58. # [16:04] <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
  59. # [16:04] <yamx> this is Yam
  60. # [16:05] <Zakim> -??P24
  61. # [16:05] <Steven> zakim, ??P20 is Alessio
  62. # [16:05] <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
  63. # [16:06] <Zakim> +??P27
  64. # [16:06] <Steven> zakim, ??p27 is Yamx
  65. # [16:06] <yamx> this is yam.
  66. # [16:06] <Zakim> +Yamx; got it
  67. # [16:06] <Steven> MSCribe: Steven
  68. # [16:06] <Steven> Scribe: Steven
  69. # [16:06] <Steven> Mark: I nominate Steven as Chair
  70. # [16:06] <Steven> Yam: Second
  71. # [16:06] <Steven> Chair: Steven
  72. # [16:07] <Steven> Topic: Actions
  73. # [16:07] <Steven> [NEW] ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access
  74. # [16:07] <Steven> element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM [recorded in
  75. # [16:07] <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
  76. # [16:08] <Steven> Alessio: I have tested this with IE and another test with Firefox etc.
  77. # [16:08] <Steven> ... I will send a mail with the URL and so on
  78. # [16:08] <Steven> ACTION: Alessio to send mail with details of DOM test
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  81. # [16:09] <Steven> Steven: Schema comments
  82. # [16:10] <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#adef-color-FONT
  83. # [16:11] <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB
  84. # [16:11] <Steven> Steven: I think the color data type can only be 6 digits
  85. # [16:12] <Steven> ... a 3 digit value is only allowed in CSS
  86. # [16:13] <Steven> ... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#h-6.5
  87. # [16:18] <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
  88. # [16:18] <Zakim> Mark_Birbeck should now be muted
  89. # [16:19] <Steven> Shane: But browsers accept 3 digits now
  90. # [16:19] <Steven> Steven: But maybe not all of them
  91. # [16:19] <Steven> ... then we would break an existing browser
  92. # [16:19] <Steven> ... that had been conformant up til now
  93. # [16:20] <Steven> ... Presumably current vrowsers have taken the rule from CSS, not HTML
  94. # [16:20] <Steven> ... but since HTML says just "a hexadecimal number", then #1 would be OK, and would mean #000001
  95. # [16:20] <Steven> ... (unfortunately)
  96. # [16:22] <Steven> ... so my conclusion is that we should make the data type #[0-9]+ just so we don't break any existing content
  97. # [16:22] <Steven> Shane: You're right
  98. # [16:26] <ShaneM> oh - the datatype should be #[0-9A-F]+
  99. # [16:26] <Steven> Steven: I think there is value to defining the coord type, since you would get some value from the schema processor telling you about wrong values
  100. # [16:26] <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
  101. # [16:26] <Zakim> Mark_Birbeck should no longer be muted
  102. # [16:27] <Steven> Shane: Agree
  103. # [16:28] <Steven> Steven: Now the issue of Substitution groups
  104. # [16:28] <Steven> Mark: It would be too much work now
  105. # [16:28] <Steven> ... let us say we will do it in a revisions
  106. # [16:29] <Steven> Shane: Agree, but there is also a restriction about substitution groups, that gets in our way
  107. # [16:29] <Steven> ... (which I don't recall the details of right now)
  108. # [16:29] <Steven> Mark: Not sure if it would be a problem.
  109. # [16:30] <Steven> StHere is the document we are discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0035.html
  110. # [16:30] <Steven> s/St//
  111. # [16:31] <Steven> Steven: I propose that we say we want to do it ain a future version, and will be happy to work with them
  112. # [16:32] <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to Schema WG on M12N comments
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  114. # [16:32] <Steven> Topic: FtF
  115. # [16:33] <Steven> Steven: There will be no meeting in NY in June; the next FtF is Septber 10-11 in Madrid Spain
  116. # [16:34] <ShaneM> Coords data type: here is what they proposed:
  117. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.rect">
  118. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">
  119. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){3}(&Length;)"/>
  120. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:restriction>
  121. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:simpleType>
  122. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.circle">
  123. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">
  124. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:pattern value="(&Length;&Comma;){2}(&Length;)"/>
  125. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:restriction>
  126. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:simpleType>
  127. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:simpleType name="Coords.poly">
  128. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:restriction base="xsd:token">
  129. # [16:34] <ShaneM> <xsd:pattern value="(&Pair;&Comma;){2,unbounded}(&Pair;)"/>
  130. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:restriction>
  131. # [16:34] <ShaneM> </xsd:simpleType>
  132. # [16:39] <yamx> My understanding is there is some difference between XHMLMP1.2 and XHTMLBasic 1.1.
  133. # [16:40] <yamx> My question is how serious the gap is for W3C.
  134. # [16:40] <Steven> Steven: So the call for CR is goin to go ahead.
  135. # [16:40] <Steven> Yam: How will the W3C interpret the exit criteria?
  136. # [16:40] <yamx> OMA's position is the gap analysis for W3C exit criteria is taken by W3C.
  137. # [16:41] <Steven> Steven: Normally there must be two interoperable implementations, and I thought OMA were doing the test suitte
  138. # [16:41] <Steven> Yam: We? Oh. I will check
  139. # [16:41] <Steven> Steven: That was my understanding
  140. # [16:41] <Steven> Shane: There is only one thing that is really new in 1.1, and that is the inputmoe attribute
  141. # [16:41] <Steven> s/moe/mode/
  142. # [16:42] <Steven> ... so we should be nearly there. That is the only thing that really needs testing
  143. # [16:42] <Steven> Yam: If Inputmode is tested in OMA< then W3C is OK?
  144. # [16:42] <Steven> Steven: Yes
  145. # [16:43] <Steven> ... since Basic 1.1 is a subset of what you are testing, with the exception of inputmode
  146. # [16:43] <Steven> ACTION: Yam to check on the status of test materials from OMA
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  148. # [16:45] <Steven> Steven: IT is even possible for the CR period to be zero-length, if the exit criteria are met early enough
  149. # [16:45] <Steven> s/IT/It/
  150. # [16:55] <Steven> Topic: Access element in DOM of head
  151. # [16:55] <Steven> Alessio: I have sent my report
  152. # [16:57] <Steven> Rich: What do you use in IE to see what is in the DOM?
  153. # [16:57] <Steven> Alessio: I use a toolbar
  154. # [16:58] <Steven> ... it is a plugin
  155. # [16:58] <ShaneM> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en
  156. # [16:59] <Steven> Steven: What was the question we were trying to answer with this?
  157. # [17:00] <Steven> Shane: Whether we could add the access to XHTML 1.2 and get it to work, and not blow up existing browsers
  158. # [17:00] <Steven> ... it looks like it is OK
  159. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Rich
  160. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Yamx
  161. # [17:00] <Zakim> -ShaneM
  162. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Steven
  163. # [17:00] <Steven> [ADJOURN]
  164. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck
  165. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Tina
  166. # [17:00] <Zakim> -Alessio
  167. # [17:00] <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
  168. # [17:00] <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Mark_Birbeck, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Rich, ShaneM, Alessio, Yamx
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  172. # [17:01] <Tina> We're off the record?
  173. # [17:03] <Steven> no!
  174. # [17:03] <Steven> Someone on this list has a log running
  175. # [17:03] <Tina> Right. Thanks.
  176. # [17:03] <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
  177. # [17:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/05/30-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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